Alternative Theories for the Purpose of Pyramids

I regret very much not discovering the original thread by OG "Mabzynn" until after he or she had deleted everything. It seems there was a strong metaphysical component to the speculation in question, which I admit triggers my skepticism. YouTube is full of videos arguing that the pyramids are thousand or even millions of years old, were built by aliens, function as interdimensional portals, etc. I've read Dr. Joseph P. Farrell's "Giza Death Star Revisited" in which he argues that the Great Pyramid was an interstellar weapon which drew power from the sun itself and was used to destroy moons and even planets millions of years ago. This tale somehow ended up recorded in Sumerian tablets, themselves possibly millions of years old.

For some reason, it's apparently easier for people to believe in space aliens, time travel, and time scales of billions of years than it is to believe that a network of monks altered our historical record a few hundred years ago.

I'm embarrassed to admit that I ever took theories like this even remotely seriously, but then again, given that there are no satisfying explanations for the inconsistencies in our history (and more generally for the existence of something rather than nothing) which are not bizarre and improbable, I won't be too hard on myself for temporarily giving Farrell the benefit of the doubt.

These days I privilege theories that require as little metaphysics as possible, if only because we can engage with them without postulating too many hypothetical realities. Any explanation for the existence of the pyramids should be simultaneously parsimonious and as complete as possible.

Where theorists such as Farrell break the rule of parsimony by introducing all kinds of hypothetical metaphysical entities, New Chronologists like Andrey Pustogarov err in the other direction. Their explanations remain within reality as we know it, but fail to include certain elements. Pustogarov, for example, believes that the pyramids were constructed as a "stage set" for the Mysteries associated with the proto-Christian faith. He thinks they were built in the mid-17th century as part of a project to move "Jerusalem" away from Constantinople. This was done to cement a truce between the Catholic Church and the Ottoman Empire and put an end to the Crusades. At some point shortly after the construction of the pyramids, Egypt fell into the wrong hands, and Jerusalem was moved again, this time to its current location. As for their construction, no alien tech was necessary. They simply used an early form of concrete that hardens into stone. Alexander Tamansky thinks they were built around pre-existing hills.

I find this hypothesis eminently more believable than the various flavors of "ancient aliens", but I'm still not satisfied. First of all, we still have no explanation for the most obvious question: why a pyramid? Why not cathedrals, or temples, or whatever? Why is there so little usable space inside the pyramids? Was it really necessary to make them that big just to initiate a few ancient Epsteins? Why the weird passages? None of the Russian New Chronologists have a satisfactory answer for this question.

The idea of Geoffrey Drumm presented by @Starfire, namely that the pyramids were chemical plants, has that "Goldilocks" feel of being just right. No matter how or by whom the pyramids were made, it must have cost a huge amount of money. And as a general rule, people don't spend more money than they have to. The only thing that will make someone lay out a truly massive investment is the promise of an even greater return on that investment. Pustogarov's idea that the pyramids were a stage set -- essentially an esoteric Disneyworld, or perhaps something more like Mecca today -- is not inconceivable. Mecca is an absolute money machine. I had a fling with a Saudi girl once who told me that most Saudis think the Muslim faithful who do pilgrimage to Mecca are suckers whose money they are happy to steal. So it would make sense for the makers of "Disney Cairo" in the 17th century to lay out some serious coin in order that their stage set be sufficiently impressive. And wasn't the building that dethroned the Great Pyramid as the world's tallest structure, namely the Eiffel Tower, also supposedly built purely to attract tourists to the Paris Exposition? Think as well of Hollywood movies today. These are effectively massive "construction projects" which only exist to generate profit from spectacle with no actual production of anything "useful" occurring. I mean, you could even make a profit burning a million dollars in a public bonfire if you sold enough tickets. So, Pustogarov's hypothesis is not absurd. But then think about some of the massive industrial projects that exist around the world. These dwarf even Mecca and Avatar 2. Look at a giant chemical plant, or a gold mine, or a shipyard. The bigger they are, the more they produce, the more profit they generate.

Pustogarov refers to the following 1561 map of Rome by Pirro Ligorio that shows the Eternal City full of smaller pyramids:

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He argues that these pyramids came first, and the big pyramids in Egypt came later. Well, what if the smaller Roman pyramids were small chemical plants, and the owners of these plants wanted to expand their business? They couldn't just stick three huge pyramids in the middle of Rome, for the same reason that there are no giant chemical plants in cities today. Think of the small-scale oil extraction setups in Los Angeles and the giant ones in the middle of nowhere.

If I remember correctly, @usselo speculates in IHASFEMR that mausoleums were used as gas plants. We all associate the pyramid complex with tombs, death, burial, mummies, etc. Were dead bodies used to harvest chemicals? Pardon me if this subject is covered in some point in the second video...I haven't watched it yet.

Before watching the videos, I checked out the link to Geoffrey's website. The first thing I noticed was that everything is very slick. He sells merch. Can't people just be researchers? Why does there have to be a T-shirt? Maybe I shouldn't be too critical. Research costs money, and if you can get what you need to survive from selling T-shirts rather than working at a job that takes all your time, why not? The next thing I noticed was that among the various editions of his books, he has set two of his price points at $33 and $133. Why is he using that stupid 33 number that these people all seem to throw around as a wink? Is he telling us that he's a secret society affiliate? Well, maybe that's not necessarily bad either. Presumably not all of these people have bad intentions. Presumably they are as interested as "we" are in figuring out what's really going on. Or maybe those 33's are just a coincidence.

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So, I wrote the previous post before watching the first video. I'm not a chemical engineer so I can only take most of what he says on faith. The form of his argument is logical. I'm impressed. He derives both the location and the form of the pyramids from their function, which Pustogarov cannot do.

Drumm appears to be a very capable researcher in his area of expertise. I am certainly not capable of engaging critically with his more technical claims. If we wish to add something to his hypothesis, it seems to me like the most fruitful next step for us here is to do the work that Drumm is not in a position to do himself, to wit, zeroing in on the actual date of construction and functioning of these chemical plants. Sadly, Drumm is stuck in conventional chronology. For his theory to make sense, he has to send the pyramids back eight thousand years. That is nonsense. How many insights is he missing out on for this reason? Here the New Chronologists have better arguments. The material dialectician Pustogarov argues consistently that we ought to see technological development as a linear process with no huge gaps. Metallurgy did not appear, then disappear, then reappear. It appeared once, then more or less steadily developed. Likewise with bricks, shipbuilding, weapons, etc. Likewise with the Earth's population. For Pustogarov, the "Black Plague" can only be a fabricated event to paper over the mathematical contradiction between vast (nonexistent) ancient civilizations and the low population of Europe in the Renaissance.

Here is what Pustogarov has to say about the pyramids. Just use Google Translate:

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So, we are quite far from Drumm here. But maybe we can put these two theories together. Pustogarov argues that the pyramid complex was built by Franciscan monks in the middle of the 17th century. I'm not saying I believe that, but it offers us a good starting point. Tamansky, in one of his videos, traces the different monastic orders to different skills and trades which he compares to the different ministries in a government. These were not simple religious brothers. The Franciscans were the world's premier builders, and they constructed all of the pyramid complexes we find around the world in the 15th-17th centuries. Remember as well that Pompeii was buried in 1631, meaning that the middle of the 17th century puts us squarely in "antiquity". Did Rome discover gas deposits on the Giza Plateau and send their greatest engineers to figure out how to put these raw materials to use? Remember that Egypt was under the control of the Ottoman Empire at this time. Was this some kind of joint venture between East and West? Did the Ottomans hire the Franciscans to build them a chemical plant the same way the Saudis might hire an American petrochemical company today?

Remember as well that the German polymath Leibniz, whose fascinating case I discuss at length in another series of posts, attempted to convince Louis XIV to invade Egypt in 1671. This would have been not long after the pyramid complex was built.

https://e-space.mmu.ac.uk/617049/3/Leibniz’s Egypt Plan (1671-2) - from holy war to ecumenism (revised).pdf

Scholars have generally supposed that Leibniz’s rationale for devising the plan was to divert Louis XIV from his intended war with Holland, and ensure that the French armies were sent not just away from Holland but – crucially – from German territories also. This is what we might term the “diversion hypothesis.” It has a long history: a nineteenth century scholar explains that Leibniz’s aim in writing the Egypt plan was “that the storm gathering in France might be averted from Europe, and its energies directed to a distant object, the conquest of Egypt.” The “diversion hypothesis” remains popular today; for example, when discussing the genesis of the Egypt plan, a contemporary scholar informs us that “In order to divert the King of France from his disturbing impulses to extend his kingdom, Leibniz has no alternative to a European war than a war against the Turks.” Although hard evidence for the diversion hypothesis is thin on the ground, it is not my intention here to challenge it, or even investigate it, though in what follows I will argue that, at best, it offers an incomplete account of Leibniz’s motives for advocating a French invasion of Egypt.

The authors of the document suspect that the religious aspect of Leibniz's proposal was a screen concealing purely economic and political motivations. Remember that Leibniz was a cryptographer and might have enjoyed using flowery religious language as a cipher for his Realpolitik. Geopolitics is something we plebs will never be allowed to really understand, but the idea of a German diplomat fomenting a completely pointless war between France and Ottoman Egypt just to take pressure off of Holland sounds absurd. It has the flavor of one of those superficially logical but essentially insufficient explanations that historians love to invent to fill in gaps in their reconstructions (we here are not above this error ourselves).

Invading Egypt would have clear political and economic benefits, Leibniz suggests, because the country is so situated as to confer domination of the seas, and almost that of the world, on any conquering force, which would thence control trade with the East. (...) Hence Leibniz feels able to quite literally promise Louis the world: if the plan were carried out successfully, Louis would be crowned Emperor of the East, and France would become arbiter of the world.

Well, if the world's largest and most important chemical plant is located in Egypt, this makes more sense. Remember that Leibniz was above all a scientist, mathematician, and engineer.

Leibniz explains that Egypt is the key to the whole Turkish Empire, and if it were to fall into Christian hands then the Turkish Empire would be ruined.

Why would Egypt be the key to the whole Turkish Empire?

Leibniz states...that the Turks’ failure to move the seat of their Empire from Constantinople to Cairo could be seen as “providence willing that a channel remain open to Christians to undermine the [Turkish] Empire.”

Why on Earth should the Turks move the seat of their Empire to Cairo?

I will now speculate, or rather fantasize.

- Did Roman Franciscans build the Giza chemical plant for the Ottoman Empire?
- Was it rendered nonoperational in the context of a battle between East and West?
- Did Leibniz want to take Egypt to get the plant up and running again? Was it still running? Did he leave the engineering details out of his letters to the court of Louis XIV because this was top secret industrial information?
- Did Napoleon go to Egypt in 1799 to see what was left of the old plant? Is this why he brought along France's top scientists? Is this why the voltaic pile was invented by a member of the expedition immediately afterwards?

I'm spitballing, obviously, don't bust my chops too hard.

My favorite form of reasoning is the reductio ad absurdum in which an argument is accepted as true and then run through all of its logical consequences. If any absurdities or contradictions appear, the argument must be false. So let's take this a bit further. Drumm argues that the form and size of the pyramids have two functions:

1. Concentrating electrical fields around the reaction chambers.
2. Containing the huge amounts of pressure that build up in the reaction chambers.

This means that pyramids become an obsolete technology the moment people figure out how to build containing structures out of metal and create electrical fields industrially. Both occurred in the 19th century if I am not mistaken.

Let's also assume that the Giza complex was built around 1633 as Pustogarov suggests.

This leads us to a few possible conclusions.

1. The pyramids were still functioning as chemical plants until they were replaced in the 19th century (not likely).
2. People figured out how to produce chemicals industrially, perfected the technology in the Giza complex in the mid-17th century, and then at some point lost that capability until 19th century technology offered a new technique of production. It seems clear that by the time of Napoleon they were no longer functional.

If we accept (1), then there is no mystery as to why the pyramids were abandoned. If we accept (2), then we have to ask ourselves what caused all the pyramid complexes around the world to stop functioning. Did the power source break? Did atmospheric/aesthetic conditions change? Were the gas deposits used up? Were all the pyramids around the world simply abandoned in the context of some political upheaval? After all, if the global economy crashes, there is no way to maintain complex industrial production facilities (nowhere to sell your product, no money to pay your employees, etc.).

I'm going to play with the idea that the plants still worked in 1671 when Leibniz wanted to invade Egypt and no longer worked when Napoleon got there in 1799. I suppose it's possible that Napoleon even found them in a functioning state, tasked his scientists with retro-engineering the old Roman/Franciscan technology for France, then rendered them nonoperational himself. This would offer a possible explanation for the dirt pyramid constructed by the Napoleonic army in Holland in 1804. It was an engineering experiment.
 
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Did Roman Franciscans build the Giza chemical plant for the Ottoman Empire?

Tiens, some insights from various sources. When are the Roman Franciscans said to have existed?

"We find when we discover Egypt in what we call the First Dynasty, under Menes, that it is at its absolute zenith of culture in painting, sculpture, architecture. From this peak period, the Egyptian culture steadily declines. It is very much as if the Egyptians found themeselves the inheritors of a great ready-made culture of which they could take advantage, which they could utilize and even to some degree emulate, but which they themselves did not create . . . . This very strongly suggests that it drew its greatness from a source higher than itself . . . ."

- Jalandris, The Hall of Records: The Hidden secrets of the Pyramid and Sphinx, 1980

"This civilization called Egyptian in our period developed for a long time in its early cradle . . . This cycle of civilization, the longest in history, presumably lasted 10,000 years. This is a reasonable compromise between the long chronology (based on data provided by Manetho -the last student of the Ancient Egyptian Mystery School of Anu at Alexandria before it was invaded by Alexander the Great in 330 BCE-- which places the beginning at 17,000 BCE) and the short chronology [3100 BCE] of the moderns - for the latter are obliged to admit that by 4245 BCE the Egyptians had already invented the calendar (which necessarily requires the passages of thousands of years)."

- Cheik Anta Diop, The African Origin of Civilization: Myth or Reality (originally published Nations Negres et Culture) 1955 (Published in English in 1974)

"The history of Black will remain suspended in air and cannot be written correctly until African historians dare connect it with the history of Egypt. In reviewing Egypt's beginnings, we find an advanced civilization already intact from the earliest Dynasty. This fact has perplexed historians down through the ages. Common sense dictates that if Egypt began fully mature, then its civilization must have originated elsewhere . . . . [Herodotus] The `Father of History' was told that the first man to rule Egypt was Min, who lived so long ago that Egypt was still under water: `in (Min's) time the whole country, except the district around Thebes, was marsh, none of the land below Lake Moeris, was then showing above water. To this place from the sea [Nowe] is seven days passage up the river . . . . "

- Wayne Chandler, Of Gods and Men: Egypt's Old Kingdom, 1989

"The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies which was brought into Egypt by Osiris. They claim that at the beginning of the world Egypt was simply a sea but that the Nile, carrying down vast quantities of loam from Ethiopia in its flood waters, finally filled it in and made it part of the continent . . . I not only believe the people who gave me this account of Egypt, but my own conclusions strongly support what they said . . . Now it is my belief that Egypt was originally an arm of the sea. I have observed for myself that Egypt at the Nile Delta projects into the sea beyond the coast on either side; I have seen sea shells on the hills and noticed how salt exudes from the soil to such an extent that it effects even the pyramids; I have noticed too, that the only hill where there is sand is the hill above Memphis, and that the soil of Egypt does not resemble that of the neighboring country of Arabia, or Libya, or even Syria . . . but is black as one would expect of an alluvial soil . . .'

- Diodorus of Sicily
 
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I'm having an idea after reading the following thread by @Hermolaus .

Of a certain holophagus, or what the dragonslaying myth reveals

This is a passage from a medieval Polish chronicle relating the Polish version of the famous European legend of a dragon that plagues the population by demanding constant sacrifice and its slaying by a hero. It’s known as the Wawel Dragon. In the legend, the dragon that torments the newly established state of the legendary king Krak is killed by Krak’s two sons, after which the younger son killed the older son of the king to take sole credit for the dragon’s defeat. Kraków, the historical capital of Poland, is founded on the dragon’s rockhill.

I propose that the dragon holophagus is a mythologized proto-Judaic deity. The sacrifice demanded by the dragon is the holocaust sacrifice (burnt offering). The myth of dragon slaying mythologizes the events of the transition from the proto-Judaic cult to the proto-Christian cult, which abolished the animal sacrifice.

@MaziarMohajer goes on to describe the legend in more detail:
  • The dragon, referred to as a holophagus ("one who swallows whole"), was defeated by King Krak's two sons.
  • The brothers used a cunning trick, feeding the creature a cattle skin that was stuffed with smoldering sulfur.
  • The unwary dragon devoured the decoy carcass, which immediately caused a painful, burning sensation in its guts due to the sulfur.
  • To quench the unbearable pain and thirst, the dragon ran quickly to the banks of the Vistula River.
  • The beast drank a massive amount of water, but because water cannot extinguish burning sulfur, the resulting gases and internal swelling caused the monster to burst into pieces.
(I'm abridging and editing -- check the original thread to read the whole version.)

I was stunned. A reign of sacrifice comes to an end when sulfur and water are mixed in a closed chamber. Isn't this exactly what happens in the pyramids, according to Geoffrey Drumm? Water is added to some form of sulfur (or another chemical), which releases pressurized gases (which are later used to make fertilizer)? Did the dragon of Krakow turn into a pyramid?

Is there any way we could connect all this? I thought about it a bit and came up with something. Pardon me if it is too far-out.

In Grishin and Melamed's excellent "The Medieval Empire of the Israelites", the authors advance the argument that the first worldwide "state" was run by proto-Jewish merchants who set up trade colonies around the world. These colonies were organized into farms and factories and the fruit of their labor was traded worldwide by Jewish merchants.

In "Blood Secrets" by Isaiah Oke, the author, a Nigerian former Juju priest, describes how blood functions as the primary offering to the gods. He depicts in gory detail an ancestral annual scapegoat ritual that is very clearly based on the Jewish Yom Kippur ritual. My conclusion: the Juju religion practiced by Oke and his people is nothing but the ancient Jewish religion, flash-frozen at the moment of initial contact however many centuries ago. Is "Juju" just "Jewjew"?

We all know the stories of Aztecs using pyramids for blood sacrifice rituals.

We also all know that the first two Jewish Temples were sites of industrial animal sacrifice.

The principal reason for mass sacrifice was to appease the gods and bring fertility to the crops.

Putting this all together, it occurred to me that blood might have been the original fertilizer.

A quick Google search and presto:

Understanding Blood Meal Fertilizer: An Organic Nitrogen-Rich Solution for Your Garden - YARAFERT.

In the quest for lush gardens and bountiful harvests, gardeners are always on the lookout for natural and effective fertilizers. One such option that has been used for centuries is blood meal fertilizer. Derived from animal blood, this organic fertilizer is rich in nitrogen, making it a powerful tool for promoting vigorous plant growth.

Could it be that simple? Did the original Jewish merchants teach their sharecroppers how to use leftover animal blood as fertilizer? Did the natives then cargo-cult the strictly utilitarian practice of using animal blood as fertilizer into a mystical religion in which "gods" demanded blood for more metaphysical reasons, leading to the kinds of deranged excesses Oke describes, such as human sacrifice, blood-drinking, burying sacrificial victims under buildings to keep them from falling down, etc.? Was this native religion then partially incorporated back into Judaism in the form of the bloodthirsty Yahweh?

Aren't Jews anecdotally accused precisely of mixing blood with meal to consume it? Is this a distortion of the original Jewish farming practice of mixing blood with meal to fertilize plants? I can imagine they kept the recipe secret to keep the natives dependent on them. I can imagine natives delivering buckets of animal blood to their Jewish masters and later receiving "cakes" of blood meal fertilizer to put on their crops. I can imagine the Jews telling the scientifically illiterate natives that "gods" ate the blood meal cakes (to prevent them from understanding the real chemical mechanism). I can imagine the natives then concluding that the godlike Jews must also be eating the blood "cakes". I can imagine the natives drinking the blood themselves to develop the same godlike powers the Jews have...

Did industrially produced fertilizer produced in pyramids using high-pressure chemical reactions such as the one described in the dragon myth obviate the need for blood meal fertilizer?

Did natives who had transformed the production of blood meal fertilizer into a religion then attempt to blend the old technique with the new one, performing sacrifices on and around the new pyramids?

Or perhaps when the pyramids stopped working as chemical plants the natives then resumed their ancient sacrificial rituals, the agricultural function of which had been forgotten and transformed into an insane religion of slaughter that in no way helped plants grow but did create a parallel economy of magic charms such as the one Oke describes?

(I can't help but think of the film Idiocracy, co-written by one of the Coen brothers, whom I strongly suspect to be Kabbalists, in which a dumbed-down population of helots starves because they have begun watering their crops with Gatorade.)

Isn't pouring blood onto the ground a big part of all these old rituals? Doesn't Yahweh state that he prefers Abel's blood offering to Cain's grain offering? Was this originally intended to show that blood meal makes for better fertilizer than plant meal? We even have an explicit reference to Abel's blood pouring into the soil. Note as well the clear Cain and Abel reference in the Polish legend.

Is the destruction of the Jewish Temple and the subsequent prohibition on animal sacrifice a distorted version of a concrete historical transition, namely the introduction of a new kind of temple (pyramid chemical plants) that made sacrifice unnecessary? Had the original Jewish worldwide merchant class unwittingly and unintentionally created what we now think of as "sacrificial paganism" through their agricultural practices? Had mass sacrifice and blood-drinking rendered the natives sick, insane, and unmanageable? (Oke believes that the AIDS epidemic in Africa is actually a consequence of mass blood drinking. Fomenko believes that the Old Testament recounts, among other things, the eradication of native populations who had become sick with some kind of disease, which he thinks was sexually transmitted.) Was the transition from a worldwide colonial religion of Judaism to a worldwide colonial religion of Catholicism in which sacrifice was prohibited and fertilizer was produced industrially undertaken as damage control, to pacify the helots? Had Judaism already attempted to curtail this dangerous process by prohibiting sacrifice everywhere but in the Jerusalem Temple? Did the natives prefer the old locally-sourced blood meal fertilizer to the new imported pyramid fertilizer from Egypt? Did they go ahead and add a bit of local blood anyway to boost it?

Or, thinking like a capitalist: did the Jews selling their inferior pyramid fertilizer from ships prohibit the natives from making their own fertilizer with blood in order to force them to buy their crap?

The first and most obvious objection that occurs to me is that animals are more valuable than plants, and it makes no sense to kill an animal to feed a plant. Then again, if people were already eating the meat of animals, that would have left the blood as a by-product. In Judaism, it is strictly forbidden to drink blood. Is this simply because the blood was too valuable as fertilizer to be consumed?

Could it be that simple?

(@usselo , since you contribute rarely these days, I'm doing my best to carry the torch of IHASFEMR)
 
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@frosamazing insights abd ideas, as usual! If i may add my thinkings here, i'll start by saying that different pyramids most likelly held different functions.

I'm more familiar with the South american pyramids than the desert ones, and one thing is clear,.they were built with accoustics/frequencies in mind, it's really bloody impressive how good they can amplify the smallest of sounds. In order to build massive and precise amplifiers, requires complex mathematical knowledge

That begs the following questions:

- What was being amplified, and why?

- why these forest pyramids are directly connected, or very close, to a network of underground tunnels?

- it is known that gold is the best electrical conductor metal, and there’s plenty of stories of the pyramid priests using a lot of gold artifacts in ceremonies (let's ignore the human sacrifice narrative for now, the source is always european anyway), so were they performing/amplifying some sort of old world energy?

- it makes sense that if the forest pyramids were massive amplifiers for some frequency/electromagnetism, then they were built in specific ley lines with that intent originally

To summarize, we have evidence for the desert pyramids as possible chemical factories, and for the forest pyramids as amplifiers, but these things exist all over the world right? Could it be that different regions, had different purpose pyramids? Seems plausible to me
 
@frosamazing insights abd ideas, as usual! If i may add my thinkings here, i'll start by saying that different pyramids most likelly held different functions.

I'm more familiar with the South american pyramids than the desert ones, and one thing is clear,.they were built with accoustics/frequencies in mind, it's really bloody impressive how good they can amplify the smallest of sounds. In order to build massive and precise amplifiers, requires complex mathematical knowledge

That begs the following questions:

- What was being amplified, and why?

- why these forest pyramids are directly connected, or very close, to a network of underground tunnels?

- it is known that gold is the best electrical conductor metal, and there’s plenty of stories of the pyramid priests using a lot of gold artifacts in ceremonies (let's ignore the human sacrifice narrative for now, the source is always european anyway), so were they performing/amplifying some sort of old world energy?

- it makes sense that if the forest pyramids were massive amplifiers for some frequency/electromagnetism, then they were built in specific ley lines with that intent originally

To summarize, we have evidence for the desert pyramids as possible chemical factories, and for the forest pyramids as amplifiers, but these things exist all over the world right? Could it be that different regions, had different purpose pyramids? Seems plausible to me
You are correct, believe Drumm argues that the Teotihuacan complex was used to refine gold and silver, whereas the Giza complex was used to produce chemicals.
 
Interesting info?
Red Pyramid: a Fertilizer Factory
New theory: Based on the memories of Khem by Mathias de Stefano, there was only one pyramid at 10,000 BC. It had a crystal at the top and a hall of mirrors. And the use was to experience all perspectives of ourselves. This pyramid was high in vibration.

The Red Piramyid has square columns, indicating that it might date back to Kem Tepi (Atlantean survivors) some 12,000 years ago. The pyramid might have been constructed somewhere around 10,000 and 6,000 BCE.

And a pdf of an 1877 book.
http://iapsop.com/ssoc/1877__bonwick___pyramid_facts_and_fancies.pdf

From said book.
One reputed architect has informed the world that the whole
was constructed of pise. Water, by elaborate machinery, was
led up to the required heights to mix with the sand, &c., to set
in blocks of the needed size, and formed themselves tier by
tier in the moulds. Mr. Perring thought scaffoldings were
employed. Sir Gardner Wilkinson refers to the cutting away
of the projecting angles, when they “ smoothed the face of
them to a flat inclined surface as they descended.” This will
meet the difficulty of its being finished downward.
 
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Wow! I scanned the book for pictures but got stuck at the end. That's where it gets really exciting! That's exactly what I was trying to say earlier. But for a layperson who isn't spiritually developed, it seems puzzling. I find it miraculous. (Page 216 to the end.)
There are no images in the book. Its clear as day to me from reading the book that "the pyramid" is quite literally "all things to all men".
 
Not watched this one myself or dug into it however on first blush this theory has at least as much all the others and I know a lot of folks here like a youtube or two.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5kWDOuY2Uo&pp=ugUEEgJlbtIHCQmRCgGHKiGM7w%3D%3D
Watched it just now. Its not the youtubers theory, she comes across as another Geoffrey Drumm or Graham Hancock, very slick production and merch to flog!

Here is the chap whose theory she talks of.
Huni Choi

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Anyone with a substack account or who wants to give this bloke their email could get to read his thoughts on the theory right here.
The Pyramid Paradox

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I found this on Quora from 3 years ago.

I am writing a book about building pyramid3y
Originally Answered: What are some of the most interesting hypothesis made about the pyramids of Egypt?
There are many challenges in the construction of the Khufu pyramid.

* What is the shape and material of the ramp?

* Why are there so few materials found for abandoned ramps?

* Why is there a small stone under the satellite pyramid of the Khufu pyramid and a large stone at the top?

* How did you do the horizontal work 230 meters below the Khufu pyramid?

The hypothesis in my book presents solutions to the above four challenges.

I'll explain it briefly first.

It is very difficult to make a pyramid out of 6 million tons of stone.

Sakuji Yoshimura says he needs help from the helicopter.

My hypothesis is as follows.

It is made of 8 million tons of stone, and first makes a traperzoidal step pyramid.

And we're going to remove 2 million tons of debris, and we're going to leave about 6 million tons of pyramids.

The remaining 2 million tons of stone will be recycled into the satellite pyramid and its facilities.

And the rest of the stones can be recycled into the Khafre Pyramid.

For more information, visit hunichoipyramid on Facebook.
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-most-amazing-theories-about-the-great-pyramids

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I found a few teaching materials put together by a keen-eyed person. She mentions the ammonia but interprets the reaction differently, producing hydrogen instead! An interesting angle for sure. How do you think it compares to Geoffreys ideas? The fertiliser angle seems more relevant from my perspective of agriculture, but who knows how things were back then (pre-deluge?).

Each pyramid produced different chemicals from different gasses or other source materials. What I just read in your attached images is about experiments by Brett Cohen based on theories of Christopher Dunn. This appears to be the same or similar process in the Great Pyramid that Geoffrey describes. I'll bet they are aware of each other.

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And yet no extant stone circles attract lightning today.

There's not an easily accessible definitive study I found, but here is an incidental article

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...ave-inspired-scottish-stone-circle-180973870/

and picture. Note that the cloud and lightning over Stonehenge are centered over it and do not spread out over the sky of the entire area.


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You yourself when you arrived here, told of your belief in the growing of buildings from programmed cornerstones and we had quite a converstion about them but you don't seem to have done anything further in spite of Clevland being full of cornerstones worth investigating.

Thanks for reminding me about that thread. I went back and read it, I had forgotten how extensive it was. I do still feel that certain ancient buildings may have been grown from a cornerstone. But I do not think that all the glorious buildings from previous civilizations were grown.

I have done local research, but have had difficulty obtaining access to basements. Nothing solid yet.

Why on earth you choose to label my observations as "debunking" is hard to fathom. Its as though you choose to believe everything he says simply because you spent six hours watching and listening to him. Thats up to you but surely you must have some "Wait a minute. That doesn't sound right!" moments in those six hours and done some reasearch into them, or maybe not.

I do appreciate your ability to question things. Maybe debunking wasn't the right word. I have done more research. This is the first theory that makes sense of the pyramids for me. It seems that it doesn't strike you the same way.

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The link is wrong, Stonehenge is not in Scotland,


Here's a better one.

View: https://x.com/ST0NEHENGE/status/1677565688632823809/photo/1

Edit to add;
The cloud in the image above is clearly not over Stonehenge. If it were then the drones camera would have to be much further away from the henge and the henge itself would be much smaller in appearance.

And another shot of lightning... actually hitting the ridge of hills in the background/
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... In the legend, the dragon that torments the newly established state of the legendary king Krak is killed by Krak’s two sons, after which the younger son killed the older son of the king to take sole credit for the dragon’s defeat. Kraków, the historical capital of Poland, is founded on the dragon’s rockhill.
...The beast drank a massive amount of water, but because water cannot extinguish burning sulfur, the resulting gases and internal swelling caused the monster to burst into pieces.

...A reign of sacrifice comes to an end when sulfur and water are mixed in a closed chamber. Isn't this exactly what happens in the pyramids, according to Geoffrey Drumm? Water is added to some form of sulfur (or another chemical), which releases pressurized gases (which are later used to make fertilizer)? Did the dragon of Krakow turn into a pyramid?

In Krakow today there are four large mounds. Two of these are older,
Krakus and Wanda, and may have been built anytime between 500 BC and the Middle Ages. The other two are memorials built in the last couple hundred years, modeled after the earlier, venerated, mounds.

This article says this internal structure was found upon excavation:

Mounds of Krakus and Wanda: Earthen Mausolea of Legendary Polish Aristocracy? | Ancient Origins

The internal structure of the mound is based on a high post with wicker panels attached to it in a radial pattern. In the space between the sections, compacted earth and stones were poured. This design provides stability and durability throughout the structure.

So this is not a stone pyramid built to contain a large scale chemical factory to produce enough chemicals for worldwide export. But it could be a smaller scale chemical factory for local use, reinforced with the stones they had available.

Or it could be a cargo cult imitation of a small local pyramid, and not actually a productive factory.


We all know the stories of Aztecs using pyramids for blood sacrifice rituals.

The pyramid complexes in the Aztec world would have also been chemical factories.


We also all know that the first two Jewish Temples were sites of industrial animal sacrifice.

The principal reason for mass sacrifice was to appease the gods and bring fertility to the crops.

Putting this all together, it occurred to me that blood might have been the original fertilizer.

...Could it be that simple? Did the original Jewish merchants teach their sharecroppers how to use leftover animal blood as fertilizer?

The practices of Kosher and Halal could be related to blood as a fertilizer. The permitted animals have to be drained fully of blood before cooking, according to dietary law. Maybe because in the past every bit of animal blood had to be turned over to the Jews/priests. Commoners all had to bring their sacrifices to the priests at the temple where they were slaughtered on special alters designed to gather the blood. Then this practice extended to at-home slaughtering and became dietary law.

In Kosher and Halal meat and dairy have to be kept separate. Maybe to prevent organisms common in milk from passing over to the blood source (meat) and contaminating it. Any contamination could reduce the storage time and potency of the bloodmeal fertilizer.


Did industrially produced fertilizer produced in pyramids using high-pressure chemical reactions such as the one described in the dragon myth obviate the need for blood meal fertilizer?

Did natives who had transformed the production of blood meal fertilizer into a religion then attempt to blend the old technique with the new one, performing sacrifices on and around the new pyramids?

This is a similar mechanism to a thought I shared earlier in this thread. That remnants of an outdated system spill over onto the new system. In my case I was suggesting that the spiritual practices of chanting by the priests of the pyramids could be a remnant of the sonic trigger required during the Great Pyramid chemical process.


Is the destruction of the Jewish Temple and the subsequent prohibition on animal sacrifice a distorted version of a concrete historical transition, namely the introduction of a new kind of temple (pyramid chemical plants) that made sacrifice unnecessary? Had the original Jewish worldwide merchant class unwittingly and unintentionally created what we now think of as "sacrificial paganism" through their agricultural practices? Had mass sacrifice and blood-drinking rendered the natives sick, insane, and unmanageable? (Oke believes that the AIDS epidemic in Africa is actually a consequence of mass blood drinking. Fomenko believes that the Old Testament recounts, among other things, the eradication of native populations who had become sick with some kind of disease, which he thinks was sexually transmitted.)

I know I have mentioned this several times before. The Book of Jubilees is the original and more complete Book of Genesis. Blood drinking is admonished over and over again in Jubilees. Tis could be for both reasons - to keep all the blood for fertilizer and to protect humans from disease.

Here's an audiobook version with text:


View: https://youtu.be/V-55RSyJoB4?si=ZmFW_LcV2WXIDjsm
 
The link is wrong, Stonehenge is not in Scotland,

The article on the Scottish stone circle was intended as distinct from the image of Stonehenge. I edited my post to make it more clear.

I am fully aware that Stonehenge is not in Scotland, having been there twice myself. The preferred time was when I was just a child and we were allowed to wander freely amongst the stones.

I might be a stupid American, but I have seen more of the world than most.

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What makes you give yourself the label of "a stupid American" is beyond my ken. Not everyone would know Stonehenge is not in Scotland.

Still moving on.

https://phys.org/news/2019-12-ancient-secret-stone-circles-revealed.html

The Calanais Virtual Reconstruction Project, a joint venture led by the University of St Andrews with the Urras nan Tursachan and the University of Bradford, with funding from Highlands and Islands Enterprise, has uncovered a potential link between ancient stone circles and the forces of nature.

Fills one full of hope.

Project leader Dr. Richard Bates, of the School of Earth and Environmental Sciences at the University of St Andrews, said: "Such clear evidence for lightning strikes is extremely rare in the UK and the association with this stone circle is unlikely to be coincidental.

"Whether the lightning at Site XI focused on a tree or rock which is no longer there, or the monument itself attracted strikes, is uncertain.

"However, this remarkable evidence suggests that the forces of nature could have been intimately linked with everyday life and beliefs of the early farming communities on the island."

So Dr Bates is guessing and presuming.

Dr. Chris Gaffney, of the School of Archaeological and Forensic Sciences at the University of Bradford, said: "Evidence for such strikes within archaeological surveys is very rare and our work at Site XI demonstrates that without detailed scientific survey we would never be able to identify such events."

Chris was part of the TimeTeam show back in the day. A group of people, including the production team, who actively reinforced the "must be Roman" barrier that runs thoughout mainstream archaeological academia.

Dr. Tim Raub, of the School of Earth and Environmental Sciences at the University of St Andrews, added: "This evidence is rare because lighting strikes are conducted along the top 'skin' of the Earth's surface. The clarity of the strike suggests we are looking at events before the peat enveloped the site, more than 3000 years ago."

Suggests!
How?

Well by measuring electromagnetism and resistivity apparently.
This scientist is studying ancient lightning rods, but what zapped our ancestors to create them?

Until Dr. Bates and his team are awarded an official dig license for the site, they won’t know which came first: the lightning or the circles. Bates and his crew will head back to this mysterious plateau to find answers to this question once they secure funding. He finds it intriguing that nobody has run intensive geophysical tests using electromagnetic surface mapping and electrical resistivity tomography before.

Struggling to find out more on how this method is able to "date" a lightning strike. I did find this though which may be the answer. But as you can see its not in the public domain.
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In essence they are measuring moisture content of the glass like fulgurites which are formed when lightning strikes rocks which are then run through a computer model to get a date.

But them again Doctor Bates is measuring different markers so probably not using the fulgurites which would all be on the uppermost surface of the standing stone. I wonder if there are any or if anyone has looked for them.

But honestly Dr Bates sums it up best of all back up the page

“Whether the lightning at Site XI focused on a tree or rock which is no longer there, or the monument itself attracted strikes, is uncertain."

Edit to add;
I wondered if 'the team' were using a proven method for dating the bottom of the peat bog and that was used to date the lightning strike...or repeated strikes. Seems unlikely.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1871101422000267
 
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The thing is lightning does indeed strike ridges or mountains, More often than not these ridges are of iron rich stones. The tree cover on them is primarily trees that require fire as part and parcel of their lifecycle. Reason for posting this is I feel its highly likely that whenever the men who designed and built the pyramid were alive fire caused by lightning would be knowm and just as likely understood. It also makes no sense that the same men would take manure a natural fertiliser, cure it then put it an enormous chemical reactor reliant in a large part on a lightning strike or succession of to provide the electricity to produce an artificial fertiliser

See this below from The Permaculture Design Course manual,

Fire in a landscape is a subject that I want to treat very seriously. It is a common hazard[1]. Fire has a periodicity specific to the site. This fire periodicity depends on two factors: First, the rate that fuel accumulates on site. This is a critical factor. The second factor is the amount of moisture contained on site. Any ridge top is far more fire prone than its valley systems. Typically, the vegetation of ridge tops may even be fire-dependent, with species that germinate well after fire burns the ridges. In the valley, on the other hand, you may get species that may be killed by fire, but which burn very suddenly. While ridges are more fire- prone than their adjoining valleys, so are the sun-facing sites more fire prone than their shaded slopes. It is possible to work out the fire periodicity on site by examining the cross- section cut of an old tree in the area, or even from historical records of fire

Now let us look at the fire itself. What does the fire do?
It doesn’t burn much. It burns a few leaves, and perhaps buildings in its path. The real danger of fire is radiation. Four hundred feet before a fire, your hair catches alight. Two hundred feet, your body starts to split and your fat catches alight. At 100 feet, you are a torch. Radiation kills birds hundreds of feet from the fire[3]. They just fall out of the air. Fire kills pigs very quickly. They don’t stand radiation. Goats survive quite well. They just lean into it. And human beings are good at surviving a fire because they dodge about and hide behind shadows.
So we need to throw fire shadows over the central part of the system. We do it with earth banks, and we do it with trees like willows and poplars that have high water content and that throw out a black cloud of steam. They don’t let radiation through. So on many sites that you will design, where fire will be a future hazard, you pay a lot of attention to setting up fire-protection.
In California, almost every plant depends on fire, and all have high oils, because they have been selected through a long history of fires. Greece was once a land of wet rain forests, with enormous oak and columnar beeches. It has become a skeleton of its former self, and its fire frequency is up and up. Now you really can’t burn Greece because the dirt is burned, the plants are burned, the hills are burned, the rocks slip down hill and you can’t burn rocks. The whole of the Mediterranean and much of North Africa has reached this condition.
 
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