Antarctica maps and photos

[Quiahuitl]

I've taken a look at Edgar Reyes' youtube channel which is full of Tartaria stuff but Trismegistus has not posted a link to Edgar Reyes Reddit forum. It seems odd that someone would spend all that time making videos then post on a different forum to say they were fake. How do we know it's the same Edgar Reyes?

The map room in the Villa Farnese seems well documented. I found some high res photos by following links in the stolenhistory thread.https://stolenhistory.net/threads/room-of-the-world-map-1574-villa-farnese-caprarola.4496/

There was a link to a high res version of the America map on Getty images, sadly that's now gone and there's no version on the wayback machine either.

I expect everyone on the forum already knows that Admiral Richard Byrd led an expedition to Antarctica in the 1950s and is on record as saying 'There's an entire continent the size of America beyond Antarctica.' I've seen the film of this multiple times sadly I don't have a copy to had.

 

[trismegistus]

I've taken a look at Edgar Reyes' youtube channel which is full of Tartaria stuff but Trismegistus has not posted a link to Edgar Reyes Reddit forum. It seems odd that someone would spend all that time making videos then post on a different forum to say they were fake. How do we know it's the same Edgar Reyes?

The map room in the Villa Farnese seems well documented. I found some high res photos by following links in the stolenhistory thread.https://stolenhistory.net/threads/room-of-the-world-map-1574-villa-farnese-caprarola.4496/

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There was a link to a high res version of the America map on Getty images, sadly that's now gone and there's no version on the wayback machine either.

I expect everyone on the forum already knows that Admiral Richard Byrd led an expedition to Antarctica in the 1950s and is on record as saying 'There's an entire continent the size of America beyond Antarctica.' I've seen the film of this multiple times sadly I don't have a copy to had.

sorry I guess I should have made my post more clear.

The image I posted of the account Edgar Reyes are comments from that YT video I posted a link for. I found the image of those comments on Reddit - I don’t remember which one off the top of my head but most likely r/tartaria, culturallayer, or alt history. AFAIK there is no seperate subreddit for this man’s creative work.

initially I just posted the image in the comment but later I went back and confirmed that those were indeed from that YT video and that channel l, and edited the post to include the links

 

[Referent]

The photos looked AI-generated to me. While I don't have experience configuring and running those engines, I have taken a couple of short "real or AI" quizzes (with really impressive renderings), and in those cases I still got about 90% right. Of course this does not mean anything really, but one data point.

As for the source, Fulford--as someone stated above, one might have to read him for a while to pick up on his style. But apparently not everyone is familiar with that, so, in case it clears up confusion, since discernment is needed:

• For some things that matter and that most people get wrong, he's accurate on and sticks to correctly. So, the man has got good investigative and truth-seeking/bs-meter capabilities in his possession, no doubt. I could give a good example, but that would be OT. Let's just say that's one category.
• In some areas, he has special experience/background, from before he went solo. Specifically, finance and Eastern finance reporting. And to some degree from his family background. And, he has gotten some interesting interviews under his belt. Sometimes, this might mean he has a bias for seeing things through a finance lense, but it also means possible insights there.
• Sometimes, he just relays what sources bring to him. This is usually framed "according to a source in such and such organization" (whether that's Italian P2 lodge freemasons, gnostic illuminati, Japanese black or white dragons, CIA, British intelligence, etc.). This information could be accurate or inaccurate. He is just relaying a message, in the open-source intelligence style. Often, these claims may be conflicting with each other. Not surprising. These are not supposed to be taken at face value, but more "this contact at that group said they believed that thing".
• Sometimes, he carries on with story lines that the reader may find far-fetched. These could be for tongue-in-cheek entertainment levity, but nonetheless may be taken seriously by some, who either should know better or think they actually do know the story as legit. I mean, that's the sort of territory anyway, so it's not too surprising to have this category exist. Again, I could give an example, but that would be OT.
• There are probably more and sub categories.

I would place this Antarctica booklet in the "floating around in the all source intelligence sphere" and "entertaining" categories, even though it looks fake to me, flipping through twice.

I think some companies might have classifiers for AI-generated art identification, but I haven't looked for them online yet.

 

[6079SmithW]

The photos looked AI-generated to me. While I don't have experience configuring and running those engines, I have taken a couple of short "real or AI" quizzes (with really impressive renderings), and in those cases I still got about 90% right. Of course this does not mean anything really, but one data point.

As for the source, Fulford--as someone stated above, one might have to read him for a while to pick up on his style. But apparently not everyone is familiar with that, so, in case it clears up confusion, since discernment is needed:

• For some things that matter and that most people get wrong, he's accurate on and sticks to correctly. So, the man has got good investigative and truth-seeking/bs-meter capabilities in his possession, no doubt. I could give a good example, but that would be OT. Let's just say that's one category.
• In some areas, he has special experience/background, from before he went solo. Specifically, finance and Eastern finance reporting. And to some degree from his family background. And, he has gotten some interesting interviews under his belt. Sometimes, this might mean he has a bias for seeing things through a finance lense, but it also means possible insights there.
• Sometimes, he just relays what sources bring to him. This is usually framed "according to a source in such and such organization" (whether that's Italian P2 lodge freemasons, gnostic illuminati, Japanese black or white dragons, CIA, British intelligence, etc.). This information could be accurate or inaccurate. He is just relaying a message, in the open-source intelligence style. Often, these claims may be conflicting with each other. Not surprising. These are not supposed to be taken at face value, but more "this contact at that group said they believed that thing".
• Sometimes, he carries on with story lines that the reader may find far-fetched. These could be for tongue-in-cheek entertainment levity, but nonetheless may be taken seriously by some, who either should know better or think they actually do know the story as legit. I mean, that's the sort of territory anyway, so it's not too surprising to have this category exist. Again, I could give an example, but that would be OT.
• There are probably more and sub categories.

I would place this Antarctica booklet in the "floating around in the all source intelligence sphere" and "entertaining" categories, even though it looks fake to me, flipping through twice.

I think some companies might have classifiers for AI-generated art identification, but I haven't looked for them online yet.

It's an interesting conundrum you have stumbled into.

While we could argue and infinitum about the authenticity of these photos, or the next set of hidden history photos, I am surprised no one here has noticed this....

What if there is no form to the UniVerse, but only structure? What if all that exists is consciousness, mental projections of each of our minds... If that is the case, then who is to say that even the 'real' photos and maps, are not sprung into existence by our minds too.

And if that is the case, then how are the real ones any different to the 'AI' ones?

 

[ViniB]

It's an interesting conundrum you have stumbled into.

While we could argue and infinitum about the authenticity of these photos, or the next set of hidden history photos, I am surprised no one here has noticed this....

What if there is no form to the UniVerse, but only structure? What if all that exists is consciousness, mental projections of each of our minds... If that is the case, then who is to say that even the 'real' photos and maps, are not sprung into existence by our minds too.

And if that is the case, then how are the real ones any different to the 'AI' ones?

Most maps made alledged in the 1500s could go pretty well with this thinking, as they vastly go against the narrative

 

[Jd755]

I think it's safe to assume whoever created this map was a very wealthy man with a global trading empire.

That is one hell of a leap of faith.
Could just as easily be artist or client whimsy. Have you looked into the map in any detail?

 

[Artemisian]

The map room in the Villa Farnese seems well documented. I found some high res photos by following links in the stolenhistory thread.https://stolenhistory.net/threads/room-of-the-world-map-1574-villa-farnese-caprarola.4496/

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There was a link to a high res version of the America map on Getty images, sadly that's now gone and there's no version on the wayback machine either.

I expect everyone on the forum already knows that Admiral Richard Byrd led an expedition to Antarctica in the 1950s and is on record as saying 'There's an entire continent the size of America beyond Antarctica.' I've seen the film of this multiple times sadly I don't have a copy to had.

It’s interesting that both maps show North America much closer to Ireland and Great Britain than today. Maybe the Atlantic Ridge does not drift apart at the uniform rate currently proposed. Any large violent change in the sea floor would create some nasty, colossal, tsunamis - a potential source of the mud floods ?

 

[Udjat]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but now they say that there is evidence that Antarctica was once part of the USA.
I have always believed that Antarctica was actually the place where Atlantis is. Sorry if anyone has mentioned this already.
Supposedly when the dinosaurs roamed the earth there were no icecaps which leads me to believe that there were no North poles and South poles. The earth was once a place where the average temps were mild all over the globe and then something or somethings had happened to change all of that.

Someone also mentioned the Atlantic ridge, and I would like to mention that the Atlantic Ocean is actually quite a new Ocean in terms of the age of this earth and movement of the land masses. If you don't believe that continents move, just look California and Africa where you can actually visually see the evidence of the earth ripping apart.

 

[Jd755]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but now they say that there is evidence that Antarctica was once part of the USA.

Who says?
Do you have links to what they say?

 

[Udjat]

Who says?
Do you have links to what they say?

news.yale.edu wikipedia.org called the SWEAT hypothesis nsf.gov www.ed.ac.uk latimes.com watchers.news and of course nationalgeographic.com

I never leave a link because I just expect someone to google it but I will try to be accommodating and start posting these links

I just don't usually have that much time to be on the computer because of my domesticated life. Every time I get on this site someone needs my attention and I can only spend a couple minutes on here. So sorry for any inconveniences.
I wish I had my own office and more time to delve into these wonderful subjects that I am so glad to be able to talk about here.
Thanks and be well!!!

 

[Deleted member 37]

news.yale.edu wikipedia.org called the SWEAT hypothesis nsf.gov www.ed.ac.uk latimes.com watchers.news and of course nationalgeographic.com

seriously?

I just don't usually have that much time to be on the computer because of my domesticated life.

a suggestion could be to post less but more researched and with sources available in order to limit the going on chit-chat on the forum.

 

[Jd755]

I just don't usually have that much time to be on the computer because of my domesticated life. Every time I get on this site someone needs my attention and I can only spend a couple minutes on here

Well how about compiling in note pad or something similar and then when you do get a moment you can just copy and paste the links and thoughts together very quickly.

Here is the link to the wikwai page.

SWEAT (hypothesis) - Wikipedia

So they as in whover invented the theory, emain as anonymous as ever but at the link it reveals a team academics posted a paper on a theory and you missed the theory part out from your " they say"post!

"A paper published by an international team of U.S. and Australian investigators led by John Goodge, an NSF-funded researcher with the Department of Geological Sciences at the University of Minnesota-Duluth, gives significant support to the theory."

 

[Quiahuitl]

It’s interesting that both maps show North America much closer to Ireland and Great Britain than today. Maybe the Atlantic Ridge does not drift apart at the uniform rate currently proposed. Any large violent change in the sea floor would create some nasty, colossal, tsunamis - a potential source of the mud floods ?

I'm excited about this idea. In fact I am working on a mathematical model.

It is widely accepted that there was a single super-continent called Gondwanaland a few hundred thousand years ago. The reason for this theory is that the West coasts of Africa and Europe dovetail so accurately with the East coasts of North and South America - and also there is an active ridge of volcanoes in the middle of the Atlantic.

The Atlantic currently gets a quarter of an inch wider every year. The conventional theory assumes this rate of expansion has been constant for a long time. A quarter of an inch per year takes a hundred thousand years or so to give the width of the Atlantic as it is now. You can do the maths yourself.

If we assume instead that the original super-continent was blown apart by a cataclysmic event then the two halves would initially have moved apart at a much higher speed. We could imagine that the rate of movement of the two halves would slow down over time due to friction.

Friction is proportional to velocity to the fourth power. Both rolling resistance and fluid / air resistance follow a fourth-power law.

I am currently working on some mathematical models to plot the speed of expansion of the Atlantic over time; and the distance over time. I hope to share these results with the forum soon.

The bottom line is, the cataclysmic event could have taken place much more recently, and the ocean could have been a lot smaller in Roman times. Maybe the ocean has been expanding rapidly for thousands of years and it is only just settling down.

 

[Artemisian]

I'm excited about this idea. In fact I am working on a mathematical model.

It is widely accepted that there was a single super-continent called Gondwanaland a few hundred thousand years ago. The reason for this theory is that the West coasts of Africa and Europe dovetail so accurately with the East coasts of North and South America - and also there is an active ridge of volcanoes in the middle of the Atlantic.

The Atlantic currently gets a quarter of an inch wider every year. The conventional theory assumes this rate of expansion has been constant for a long time. A quarter of an inch per year takes a hundred thousand years or so to give the width of the Atlantic as it is now. You can do the maths yourself.

If we assume instead that the original super-continent was blown apart by a cataclysmic event then the two halves would initially have moved apart at a much higher speed. We could imagine that the rate of movement of the two halves would slow down over time due to friction.

Friction is proportional to velocity to the fourth power. Both rolling resistance and fluid / air resistance follow a fourth-power law.

I am currently working on some mathematical models to plot the speed of expansion of the Atlantic over time; and the distance over time. I hope to share these results with the forum soon.

The bottom line is, the cataclysmic event could have taken place much more recently, and the ocean could have been a lot smaller in Roman times. Maybe the ocean has been expanding rapidly for thousands of years and it is only just settling down.

How exciting! I’m currently working on a map of the extent of inundation of the Somerset Flood of 1607. It struck me that the flood water would back up inland over limestone and chalk aquifers, seeping into the numerous voids, to surface elsewhere. Saline water would have bubbled up out the ground (bubonic plague?), saturating the soil causing landslides, and torrents of mud…

 

[Udjat]

seriously?


a suggestion could be to post less but more researched and with sources available in order to limit the going on chit-chat on the forum.

Sounds like a know it all!!

I'm excited about this idea. In fact I am working on a mathematical model.

It is widely accepted that there was a single super-continent called Gondwanaland a few hundred thousand years ago. The reason for this theory is that the West coasts of Africa and Europe dovetail so accurately with the East coasts of North and South America - and also there is an active ridge of volcanoes in the middle of the Atlantic.

The Atlantic currently gets a quarter of an inch wider every year. The conventional theory assumes this rate of expansion has been constant for a long time. A quarter of an inch per year takes a hundred thousand years or so to give the width of the Atlantic as it is now. You can do the maths yourself.

If we assume instead that the original super-continent was blown apart by a cataclysmic event then the two halves would initially have moved apart at a much higher speed. We could imagine that the rate of movement of the two halves would slow down over time due to friction.

Friction is proportional to velocity to the fourth power. Both rolling resistance and fluid / air resistance follow a fourth-power law.

I am currently working on some mathematical models to plot the speed of expansion of the Atlantic over time; and the distance over time. I hope to share these results with the forum soon.

The bottom line is, the cataclysmic event could have taken place much more recently, and the ocean could have been a lot smaller in Roman times. Maybe the ocean has been expanding rapidly for thousands of years and it is only just settling down.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[Jd755]

Sounds like a know it all!!

Thanks for the advice.

Here is a link to the abstract of the study done to determine tectonic expansion.
Abstract only as the rest is paywalled.
A thin mantle transition zone beneath the equatorial Mid-Atlantic Ridge - Nature

Here is a businessinsider journalists article on the study.
The Atlantic Ocean is getting mysteriously wider every year. Researchers have finally figured out why.

 

[Quiahuitl]

Here is a businessinsider journalists article on the study.
The Atlantic Ocean is getting mysteriously wider every year. Researchers have finally figured out why.

Thanks for the link.

It's amusing they say recent research suggests the mid Atlantic ridge is pushing the two sides of the ocean apart - I first read that decades ago. I thought that was a long-established theory. My idea is that what they are calling a convection current pushing material up under the mid-Atlantic ridge is the aftereffects of a much more violent action some time ago.

When I was at school I was taught that the ancient Chinese believed the Earth was built on the backs of giant turtles which were floating in an ocean. I laughed.

Now I'm a grown up I realise there is no functional difference between giant turtles and tectonic plates. For all that we know about what's happening 21 miles below the bottom of the Atlantic ocean, we might just as well talk about giant turtles farting as convection currents underneath tectonic plates.

 

[Jd755]

they say recent research suggests the mid Atlantic ridge is pushing the two sides of the ocean apart - I first read that decades ago. I thought that was a long-established theory.

I was taught that in geography in the early seventies.

 

[Quiahuitl]

The photos looked AI-generated to me. While I don't have experience configuring and running those engines, I have taken a couple of short "real or AI" quizzes (with really impressive renderings), and in those cases I still got about 90% right. Of course this does not mean anything really, but one data point.

I just found this photo of a 'Tartarian' building in the middle of Bristol , which is a city near to where I live. Obviously that building is not there now, nor is most of what you see in this photo. Does this look AI generated to you?

 

[TruthIsOnlyDelayed]

I just found this photo of a 'Tartarian' building in the middle of Bristol , which is a city near to where I live. Obviously that building is not there now, nor is most of what you see in this photo. Does this look AI generated to you?

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I am not sure I can say AI or not but something that appears off to me is how easily discernible the signage of the buildings that stick out over the sidewalk/ street below are down that road which makes me think someone making the photo or an AI would have bias to but in reality we take a lot of photos of things that just are not good angles.

On that same note now look towards the end of the road. You’ll see a sign for what looks to say “Willways Garage Garage” - note that the angle looks very off (facing almost directly straight ahead of photo angle and seemingly ignoring the angle of the street it would be trying to face in any real situation). Look closer and it also seems to be just slapped there with nothing attached to the building (floating) - as if an AI thought the background was a flat wall and not a diagonal view of many buildings or an editor of the photo by hand just didn’t care.

In either case it definitely appears to at least be a composite. The saturation and color tone of the part with the water / “tartarian” building is very clear much older looking and fuzzier than the picture with the people and street on the left that frames it.

Not stating above as fact, just my quick take.