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[JimDuyer]

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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2019-09-09 01:32:55
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I don't think that they are in control of official figures. It's "UN estimates" in most cases anyways.

Oh lord, here we go again with the wild-ass-guesses of our scholars. Thanks.

 

[Onijunbei]

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Username: Onijunbei
Date: 2019-09-09 01:43:06
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not much here....Marcus wrote a book using the doctrine from Malthus, so Charles Brooker writes an expose about Marcus. Allegedly some eugenics laws were starting to get passed or seriously looked at because of the Marcus publication. Malthus, who would go on to provide us our "Malthusian" was a pseudo scientist who just came up with theories instead of studying Nature.


from:

Why Malthus Is Still Wrong

If by fiat I had to identify the most consequential ideas in the history of science, good and bad, in the top 10 would be the 1798 treatise An Essay on the Principle of Population, by English political economist Thomas Robert Malthus. On the positive side of the ledger, it inspired Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace to work out the mechanics of natural selection based on Malthus's observation that populations tend to increase geometrically (2, 4, 8, 16 …), whereas food reserves grow arithmetically (2, 3, 4, 5 …), leading to competition for scarce resources and differential reproductive success, the driver of evolution.
On the negative side of the ledger are the policies derived from the belief in the inevitability of a Malthusian collapse. “The power of population is so superior to the power of the earth to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race,” Malthus gloomily predicted. His scenario influenced policy makers to embrace social Darwinism and eugenics, resulting in draconian measures to restrict particular populations' family size, including forced sterilizations.

 

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Username: SonofaBush
Date: 2019-09-09 01:53:25
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...The point about shortage of skilled labour is an interesting one, but I suspect it may be hard to find too many anecdotes as we, part of the so-called first world, are not likely to experience it directly since we bring lots of skilled workers in from other countries...

Inflows are probably going to drop precipitously and many will probably go back thanks to many factors, one of which is U.S. hostage-taking. Kidnapping as a tool of imperial statecraft? | The Vineyard of the Saker

...I'm certain that there is no will to reverse the population reduction policies. This all seems very deliberate...

...Precisely. The stratospheric population number is all misdirection. It feeds into the broader narrative of overpopulation, limited resources, shortage of food and water, humans as a cancer on a dying earth, climate change, the need for birth control, vaccinations, and so on and so forth....

Most global policy directives hinge on the idea of a rampant population explosion that threatens the existence of humanity. It's all a sham.

I disagree that it isn't nefarious. They may not be drinking the blood of newborn children, but this, among many other things they purport, is a blatant lie sold to us as the gospel - a lie that underpins so much decision making in the world today. We are indoctrinated to believe in scarcity of all kind when there is nothing but abundance all around us. What they are doing is the definition of criminality.

Mass of the universe (supposedly): 4.5 x 10^51 kg
I'll guesstimate weight of average person or ET at 60 kg
Start with two people: Adam and Eve
Increase 2% compounded annually for 5765 years
=(2*((1.02)^5765))*60
Total mass of humans: about 4.56 X 10^51 kg, oops, Houston we have a problem

Other than the above equation, and the fact that in the U.S. we clearly have a "federal" government, half the state governments, NGOs, and a large swath of the population that is against even contraception let alone supposedly sees abortion as murder (okay, the last item on the list by and large does see it as murder), I do not know what to believe. There definitely are major forces at work that does not see overpopulation as a problem, especially in the world's bully that does not actually produce much of anything and actually really is a gas station masquerading as a county, and no it is not a country near the Arctic Circle either, but rather will reduce "oil" production dramatically since its tight oil boom is one of the greatest shams in history AFAWK. Indeed they sow chaos and want as many unwanted pregnancies as possible. On the other hand, they kill millions the world over with depleted uranium, white phosphorus (or whatever new and improved version they use now), drones, sanctions, etc.

Indeed, I hear abortion is illegal in most of Latin America and contraceptives are often hard to obtain.

When I was 11-12 years old in 1979 and in sixth grade, had I wrote a story about the early 21st Century, I could not have made this non-fiction? of 1990-2019 that is stranger than fiction (and does not even make any sense or have any consistency) up.

It is difficult enough to tell what is going on in A.D. 2019, let alone 2019 B.C. My standard answer to anything on the Tell-A-Lie-To-Your-Vision Idiot Box is, when did they stop lying? Here is another question we keep asking on this forum: When did they start?

 

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Username: zxcv0
Date: 2019-09-09 07:21:37
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Do you believe that they might lie about their population, and give higher figures, in order to receive more aid/donations/weapons/bling?

Almost certainly. That's not even in the realm of conspiracy theory. We have direct evidence that countries overstate population to receive more external funding, and this is particularly pronounced in Africa which receives significant aid and foreign direct investment. This behaviour occurs at all levels of government.

I don't think that they are in control of official figures. It's "UN estimates" in most cases anyways.

I believe it's a bit of both. They are encouraged to overstate numbers, and the UN plays along because it serves so many of their policy agendas.

 

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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-09-09 07:54:03
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Have a read though any of these links and see just how keen 'the UN' are to get everyone born in Africa into the birth registration trap.
un birth registration in africa at DuckDuckGo

 

[JimDuyer]

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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2019-09-09 14:49:56
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As to Latin America - not only are abortions illegal, and contraceptives very difficult to obtain in some cases, the Pope was recently here on a tour - and he congratulated his faithful in Latin America for sticking to the commandments of the Church! If you can believe that.

 

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Username: SonofaBush
Date: 2019-09-09 16:55:38
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As to Latin America - not only are abortions illegal, and contraceptives very difficult to obtain in some cases, the Pope was recently here on a tour - and he congratulated his faithful in Latin America for sticking to the commandments of the Church! If you can believe that.

I have heard several times that abortion is not mentioned in the bible and homosexuality just barely. Moving the Sabbath to Sunday , in my opinion, is one of their far less problematic actions. As long as one sticks to the same 24 hour period every 168 hour period, I do not see the problem there. Indeed, alternative chronologies bring into question whether the Torah or the New Testament came first so guess is that perhaps Paganism and worshiping on Sunday somehow morphed into Christianity and it was in fact the Jews (whoever they are) moved the Sabbath.

Many claim Jews (or at least some) are not really Semites, therefore they cannot really be Jews, at least in the ethnic sense. I am under the understanding that most people dealing with such issues have their own agendas and axes to grind, for better or worse. Well, if biblical stories are of much more recent origin and happened in places were the alleged events could have taken place, such as Italy which has volcanoes for example, maybe it is Middle Eastern / Northern Africa Jews that did the converting. All of history could be upside-down and inside-out. It may be best to look at the ethnicities of Jews around the world and see if turning the migration and conversion logic upside-down and inside-out results in something that makes more sense.

These are easily separate threads in and of themselves.

 

[JimDuyer]

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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2019-09-09 17:15:06
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I have heard several times that abortion is not mentioned in the bible and homosexuality just barely. Moving the Sabbath to Sunday , in my opinion, is one of their far less problematic actions. As long as one sticks to the same 24 hour period every 168 hour period, I do not see the problem there. Indeed, alternative chronologies bring into question whether the Torah or the New Testament came first so guess is that perhaps Paganism and worshiping on Sunday somehow morphed into Christianity and it was in fact the Jews (whoever they are) moved the Sabbath.

Many claim Jews (or at least some) are not really Semites, therefore they cannot really be Jews, at least in the ethnic sense. I am under the understanding that most people dealing with such issues have their own agendas and axes to grind, for better or worse. Well, if biblical stories are of much more recent origin and happened in places were the alleged events could have taken place, such as Italy which has volcanoes for example, maybe it is Middle Eastern / Northern Africa Jews that did the converting. All of history could be upside-down and inside-out. It may be best to look at the ethnicities of Jews around the world and see if turning the migration and conversion logic upside-down and inside-out results in something that makes more sense.

These are easily separate threads in and of themselves.

Several years ago I decided to drop the Arab-inspired and Sumerian plagerized Old Testament, and I now use the Thomas Jefferson Bible, consisting of the New Testament only. I can't help but remember the statement of "when two or more are gathered in my name" in contrast to the chapels of gold that some now worship in. I do my reading and contemplating at home, with my family. So far so good.

 

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Username: SonofaBush
Date: 2019-09-19 14:49:11
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Some interesting related comments by Roy Sebag of mene.com, a brick and mortarless retailer of 24 Karat Gold and Platinum Investment Jewelry (so you have an idea of what his views likely are and what butters his bread his bread).

Interview starts about 13 min. in to the show. Keiser Report: Are Negative Interest Rates Signaling Population Decline? (E1435)

 

[EUAFU]

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Date: 2020-02-19 03:43:04
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This Malthus was an idiot. He imagined that agricultural production would not improve to feed the growing population and wrongly "predicted" that there would be no food for everyone. Which is complete nonsense since if there was no food for everyone there could be no population explosion. He only made a simplistic calculation that production grew arithmetically while the population, according to him, grew exponentially. Well, reality punched him in the face.


He was just another elitist, afraid that the poor might threaten the privileges of the parasites in power.

 

[JimDuyer]

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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2020-02-19 14:41:19
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This Malthus was an idiot. He imagined that agricultural production would not improve to feed the growing population and wrongly "predicted" that there would be no food for everyone. Which is complete nonsense since if there was no food for everyone there could be no population explosion. He only made a simplistic calculation that production grew arithmetically while the population, according to him, grew exponentially. Well, reality punched him in the face.


He was just another elitist, afraid that the poor might threaten the privileges of the parasites in power.

What we have now is not "no food for everyone". What we have is an unbalanced distribution
of food sources. We do have areas that are starving, and others that receive less than a sufficient
amount of caloric intake per day. Some have no water or not clean water.

So yes, the population expansion is partly the cause for this, along with wars and greed. And I am sorry to disagree with you, but "no food for everyone there could be no population explosion" is certainly not true.

We have no brakes on our human minds when it comes to population. We honestly believe that having more kids means that at least a few will survive. This mentality, coupled with the idiotic religious sanctions against birth control, will lead to our end. It's only a matter of time.

You actually believe that after showing us the problem for many decades, and then being unable to solve it, and then saying it does not in "reality" exist, is the truth? Or is this what the ones that can't or do not wish to solve the problem, wish you to believe?

Overpopulation, especially in poor areas, is just what the powers that be want to see. They need us to die from spreading diseases caused by this problem, so that they can later emerge from their shelters, without having to lift a finger.

Please, look around, talk to real people, and don't spread the problem by repeating what you hear on the TV or Radio. My agenda is to have as many friends and neighbors as the land will support; not one more, not one less, and although that is a near impossible goal to achieve, it's what we should be attempting right now.

 

[irishbalt]

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Username: irishbalt
Date: 2020-02-19 18:33:54
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Below is a portion of the text from your generous share. It seems that, in a time of supposedly low population per square mile, at least in the majority of the real estate world-wide, he was hundreds of years ahead of his time. And based upon his ideas of the introduction of universal suffrage, state-run education and the establishment of an open labor market, he correctly predicted all three of these realities that we have today.
I read a bit of his economic writings as well, and he seems to have had a rare genius.
One thing that struck me was how the "Church" influenced population, who is constantly being exhorted by "YAHWEY" to be fruitful and multiply (so as to increase the number of Christians and thus the 10% levy? Or perhaps to have more followers of YAHWEY?) were against this Anglican Church Father, and are even today against anything that even smells like getting a handle on our population explosion. They also don't seem to care too much about the starving people around the world, since they might not be fully "Christian enough or white enough" for them. Look at the Georgia Guidestones, which only suggest what to do AFTER the SHTF end of the world - they attack this like some kind of Hitlerian genocide offer. Thanks for the information.

In his much-expanded and revised 1803 edition of the Essay, Malthus concentrated on bringing empirical evidence to bear (much of it acquired on his extensive travels to Germany, Russia and Scandinavia). He also introduced the possibility of "moral restraint" (voluntary abstinence which leads to neither misery nor vice) bringing the unchecked population growth rate down to a point where the tendency is gone. In practical policy terms, this meant inculcating the lower classes with middle-class virtues. He believed this could be done with the introduction of universal suffrage, state-run education for the poor and, more controversially, the elimination of the Poor Laws and the establishment of an unfettered nation-wide labor market. He also argued that once the poor had a taste for luxury, then they would demand a higher standard of living for themselves before starting a family. Thus, although seemingly contradictory, Malthus is suggesting the possibility of "demographic transition", i.e. that sufficiently high incomes may be enough by themselves to reduce fertility.

The Essay transformed Malthus into an intellectual celebrity. He was reviled by many as a hard-hearted monster, a prophet of doom, an enemy of the working class, etc.

As an alternate theory, Russell and Malthus were promoting the idea of "overpopulation", meanwhile distracting from the resource mismanagement and encouragement of destructive behaviors which create artificial scarcity. Their works are brilliant pieces of manipulation and doublespeak. Strawman arguments at the time became predictive programming for the destruction of Christian society, which being agents for the banking families, suited the likes of Russell and Malthus.
People enjoy simple answers. Lies and manipulation hide themselves in a convoluted nest of illogical axioms, theories and hidden meaning which only those in the know may unravel.

the link here is certainly not a "reason" for everything, BUT it is important to understand not all people groups believe in cooperation, some are highly predatory and if I may say, act in a tribal manner which comes off as anti-human. This is an important and often ignored facet of human history. If you want to know who controls the levers of power, find out who and what you are not allowed to speak freely about.

much information enclosed in a reply, here:

The city of Duluth: how ancient is it?