SH Archive Cathars- Beliefs of the Historical Heritics

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-08-02 18:31:06
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Banzai!
Today is a good day to die.
Kath sidhe?...
Siddhe...
Pronounced SHE, go figure...
 
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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-08-02 18:39:21
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When I read this the first thing that came to mind was StarWars Sith Order.... according to my sons and Fandom Wookieepedia, the Sith Order "was an ancient religious order of force-wielders devoted to the dark side of the Force." so perhaps there is something to what you say and it's been woven into our modern stories.
 
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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-08-02 18:41:15
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Wookieepedia is the best thing Wiki has to offer.
 
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Username: studytruth
Date: 2020-08-02 20:16:27
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I just want to say thanks to everyone who has replied to this thread. Again I had no idea this video would open such great discussion. It is late here for me so I am heading to bed, but I will make some comments to what has been brought up and asked here.

Yes the connection between Cathar-Catholic-Cathedral
Not sure how I missed that actually, it is so obvious once pointed out- and I think is a clue right there, not only to who Cathars or Catholics might be, but also to what Cathedrals really are.
Back tomorrow
 
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Username: Septimus
Date: 2020-08-02 21:58:01
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Simpsons once again predicted this Babel phenomenon. Ketchup or Catsup?

 
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Username: Palaiolagash
Date: 2020-08-02 22:21:13
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Getting a strong sense of catharsis from this thread.

You know, the feeling of being free from guilt or sin?
 
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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-08-03 01:26:52
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WeeWarrior,

I listened to this hymn a couple of times and wanted to share this. What struck me was the combination of Spanish and Latin in some of the words I picked up on, from the Spanish I know and little Latin I remember, such as references to:
  • being consoled
  • love
  • a light
  • a song
  • lips that will pass
  • you are healed
I may be hearing it incorrectly, but those come through recognizable to me that way.

Additionally, as I listened, I found it interesting how the chorus is made up of the Spanish vowels phonetic sound - a - e - i - o - u - similar to the English short vowel sounds. The chorus could be heard repeating beginning at 22-27 seconds into the video, then again at 57 secs, 1:33, 2:07, 2:43, 3:16, 3:51, 4:26 and 5:01. What struck me in particular was the way it mimics the sacred Sanskrit symbol or sound AUM ( ॐ ) which some write as OM that is made during deep meditation, so I decided to check out the web page link you provided and sure enough, it said that is in fact, the case.

But when I read the English translation of the story lyrics, it didn't seem to add up as well to what I'm hearing with the references I noted so I wonder if anyone else in the forum who may be more familiar with Latin could offer their thoughts, because what I hear is pretty clear but seems to be lost in translation when compared to the English version posted.

It's a beautiful hymn. Thank you for sharing it.
 
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Username: WeeWarrior
Date: 2020-08-03 02:01:52
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What a thoughtful response, good for you digging into the hymn so studiously! I do hope the great minds here can determine if the translation is a bogus rendition of a carefully constructed mantra/hymn. Certainly will see what I can find.
 
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Username: Mabzynn
Date: 2020-08-03 02:12:41
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It's Occitan but the translations seem pretty accurate...


Quand lo boièr ven de laurar
When the cattle driver comes from plowing,

Planta son agulhada
He plants his cattle prod.

A, e, i, ò, u !
Om

Planta son agulhada.
He plants his cattle prod.

Trapa (Tròba) sa femna al pè del fuòc
He finds his wife at the foot of the fire,

Trista e (Tota) desconsolada...
Sad and so disconsolate.

Se sias (Se n'es) malauta digas-o
If you are sad, then tell me.

Te farai un potatge (una alhada).
I’ll make you a stew,

Amb una raba, amb un caulet
With a turnip, and a cabbage,

Una lauseta magra.
A skinny lark

Quand serai mòrta enterratz-me
When I am dead bury me/echo me

Al pus fons (Al prigond) de la cròta (cava)
In the deepest part of the cave

Los pés virats (Met-me los pès) a la paret
Feet turned towards the wall

La tèsta a la rajada (Lo cap jos la canela)
Head by the channel for water

Los pelegrins (E los romius) que passaràn
The pilgrims that will pass by

Prendràn d'aiga senhada.
Will take of the holy water

E diràn, Qual es mòrt aicí ?
And they will say, “Who died here?”

Aquò es la paura Joana.
Here is the poor Joana.

Se n'es anada al paradís
She went to paradise,

Al cèl ambe sas cabras.
To heaven with her goats.

Joana was a reference to the Cathar religion/church, so it's code.
 
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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-08-03 02:16:19
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Thank you! So glad you wrote this to clarify. I love the collaborative process.
 
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Username: EUAFU
Date: 2020-08-03 03:25:55
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The Cathars, as you well remember, were Manichean and Gnostic, because they affirmed the existence of two opposing principles: that of Good and that of Evil. Therefore, they attributed entity to Evil. They considered that evil had an ontological existence. And this is what made them Manichaeans. Despite this, they claimed to be true and good Christians. Hence they are Christian sect and manichae.

For them, matter would have been created by the god of evil, to imprison in it the spirit of the good God. Therefore, the entire material universe would be evil, and the Creator of the World - which we worship - would be the God of Evil.

As a result, they condemned motherhood, since the mater, the mother, would produce more matter. That's why they said that every pregnant woman was possessed. The woman, as the generator of matter, would be the source of evil. Marriage and procreation were seen as works of the evil god.

It is clear that such doctrines viewed life with a bad eye. And not only life, but existence itself was seen as a bad thing. It was, then, in the logic of your system to admit success. But, as they condemned all matter, suicide should be due to starvation. It was what they called "endura", or ritual suicide, due to starvation. Had the Cathars taken over the world, we would not exist today. They would have extinguished humanity.

The popular reaction against the crimes of Qatarism was violent. The people, uncontaminated by these errors, on learning of a crime caused by this doctrine, massacred the murderers of pregnant women and those who had provoked such crimes.

In order to curb these lynchings, and to have a correct judgment, the Church instituted the Inquisition.

This court was demanded by the people, and when it was installed somewhere, the first thing it did was to set a pardon period. Anyone who came forward, confessing to having adhered to the Cathar heresy, was forgiven. For the Inquisition, what was confessed under torture was not valid as proof. The Inquisition was the first court in the world to refuse, as evidence, what a defendant would confess under torment.

The condemnation of a heretic to capital punishment was only for those who had provoked major crimes. Contrary to what is commonly said, capital punishments were relatively few. Only a very small percentage of trials ended with the capital punishment enacted, and still much smaller was the percentage of capital punishments enacted and carried out.

The most common penalties of the Inquisition were those received today in confessional: saying some prayers, doing some fasting, pilgrimages or pilgrimages, etc.

Unfortunately, popular catharism is reappearing, because intellectual catharism has always been kept alive and secret.

Romanticism and Nazism were linked to Catharism. The Nazis made pilgrimages to Mont Ségur, the last Cathar fortress. Several romantic authors have admitted to admiring this Gnostic heresy.

If you want to read more about the Cathars, I recommend Arno Borst's book "Les Cathares", and the works of Michel de Roquebert "(Histoire des Cathares, and" L 'Epopée cathare "in several volumes as well as those of René Nelly, (These last two authors are pro-Cathars).

Cathars are the same types of bastards who nowadays preach the death of billions of people to "save the climate". The difference is that the Cathars were openly imbecile, while the News-Cathars use pseudo science to spread their nonsense.
 
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Username: studytruth
Date: 2020-08-03 06:39:40
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Ummm no,
Cathars were not Nazis. Yes Otto Rahn did go looking for the Holy Grail in Cathar country in the 1930's, and then due to his research was forced to work for the SS, but there is high likelyhood once he found what he had been searching for he managed to get it out of the area into safe hiding away from them- why he was either murdered or had to fake his own death.

Cathars did not kill. Ever. Not humans, not animals. They lived by a doctrine of killing being the original sin.
Nor are they modern new agers, leftists, nor would they call for the deaths of anyone. They wanted someone to reach complete Inner Wisdom of the dream.
Women can not be evil, they are equal, because the soul is genderless simply occupying a blob of clay that means nothing of itself. Nothing would be condemned, but it would make escaping the nightmare of incarnation much more difficult.
Most all else here is very incorrect. Have you watched the video I made?

Recall most of the information about the Cathars comes from their killers...it is like the obituaries of Charles Mansen murder victims written by Mansen. We have almost nothing about the Cathars from the Cathars...which is part of the whole point. How is our last 200 years and in fact the insane year 2020 going to be viewed 50 years from now when no information from this time frame will exist anymore? We are living through a Cathar like period...
 
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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-08-03 12:25:57
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Well, he's Catholic, so he's obviously got some issues. Sorry, had to after that f'ing rant. People should stick to threads they like instead of swinging belief systems around.
 
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Username: Divine Wind
Date: 2020-08-03 12:58:21
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Most sources say the following;

20,000 men, women and children massacred in Beziers, France by a force of 300,000 Crusaders in one day in 1209

Twenty years later, up to one million had been killed, including Waldenses and some Catholics.

Rejected :
Hellfire,
the Trinity,
the Virgin Birth,
Purgatory,
Redeeming sacrifice of JC, and that he came in the flesh,
most of the Old Testament

Believed in :
Immortality of the soul,
Reincarnation,
Apocryphal texts,
Heaven
Gnosticism
Corruption of Catholic Church from scripture
Rites and Ceremonies
Balkan or Manichean Dualism – or anti-clericalism (debated)
most of New Testament,


Had :
two classes, The Perfects (priests), and Believers,
Use of Bible in the Lange'doc (regional language) – presumably through the Waldenses


What is interesting to my mind, is that the massacres initially stopped in 1229, and this was the same year as the Council of Toulouse, which was a ban on all scriptural books unless they were books of Liturgy, and in the Latin language. This council came 2 years after a similar one in Narbonne. The inquisition then started 5 years later.

The Waldenses had different beliefs to the Cathars, such as the Trinity, and the redeeming sacrifice of JC, rejection of the priesthood, together with the fact that they preached their faith, and many abandoned their wealth. Yet both faiths were killed /persecuted up to 1229. This says to me, that it was the use of their own bible that was the problem. I'm not sure what the percentage of the million killed was in terms of Cathars, but it was called the Albigensian or Cathar Crusade. These two groups definitely were forerunners to the reformation.
 
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Username: studytruth
Date: 2020-08-03 16:24:26
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Thanks for mentioning the info on the Waldenses, not sure if I brought them up in the video...but they are a part of the same story. Also a very interesting group to look into, and eventually persecuted the same way.
 
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Username: dreamtime
Date: 2020-08-03 17:10:25
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Wrote about them here: The Jesus of the Gospels

I believe that the Cathars and other groups tried to preserve the Pre-Fall knowledge and state of being.

Before the Fall of mankind into darkness, life on earth was without evil. Not only in a esoteric kind of way but people were simply living in accordance and harmony with their environment.

After the Fall, whatever it was, there were two groups: those who were infected with evil, and those who tried to resist. Our entire history can be read in the light of the first group destroying the latter, and most evidence of their existence.

And it was always about groups of people. Humans can only thrive in groups, and if we want to re-connect with ourselves we need to organize harmonious communities.
 
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Username: WeeWarrior
Date: 2020-08-03 18:52:30
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Agreed. Community level solutions are the only things that really made sense. Those huge monasteries and great estates were able to marshal all their human and natural resources for the benefit of all involved. We've lost that sense of connection but desperately want it back.

Ya know, I gotta feeling a lot of currently incarnated former Cathars have found their way to the Stolen History forum...just look at how this thread has taken off! We all know they were persecuted for a reason, which means they discovered something very important that we all feel the need to re-discover. Just a thought...
 
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Username: studytruth
Date: 2020-08-03 19:46:44
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Dream, Wee
I agree totally with what you are saying. I have studied Old Egypt for two decades...not Old Kingdom Egypt, but who was there even before them- the ones who built the pyramids and megalithic structures.
And I am pretty sure that the Cathars were in some way in touch with the same basic knowledge, but instead of building pyramids they were using their energy to build something else- perhaps whatever the grail actually is (video on that coming in a few weeks).
And it might not be all are "reincarnated Cathars" but that so many here on SH, are linked to these old times when the Earth was very different, the Golden Age of the ancient myths, and we can see that the CAthars were one of the last points of that light in the timeline (whenever they lived). I think something about what they believed, their courage in the face of persecution, and that they seemed to live a Truth we all wish that we could. I think that is the draw for so many, a "Cathar-like" mind.
 
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Username: dreamtime
Date: 2020-08-03 19:55:39
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Yeah. We have lost so much knowledge, there's so much hidden in our past, it's almost inconceivable. Maybe something like the 'science' of inner and outer life. Maybe related to how to keep the energy centers open and the energy flowing between people. Obviously the knowledge of the eternal soul and the temporary material world is fundamental.

I think the secret cabal is using the perverted form of this original heretics knowledge.

What is it exactly that the cabal is doing?

1. It looks like they desparately want to create the androgynous human. So sexuality is a big part of the puzzle, as well as the union between male and female. The question is how to direct the sexual energy in a productive manner. Marriage probably is the remains of the holy union that aims to unify male and female into one. And that's the problem for the PTB. They aren't able to share energy without expecting anything back (love), so they can't access this holy union. So the only way for them is to manipulate the body and the hormonal system in an attempt to create something similar, but this is so absurd, sick and perverted, I'm disgusted just thinking about it and if they really think they can go anywhere with this strategy, they are hopelessly enslaved inside their own illusion.

2. Feeding on energy. People who are asleep and have blocked energy centers don't have access to their own power, and subconsciously look for outside forces to give it to. The opposite is a group of people voluntarily sharing everything for the higher good and the good of everyone, because the more you give, the more you receive, creating an upward spiral of evolution.

3. Evolutionism, materialism and heliocentrism are the perverted forms of the original science of outer reality. The original view on life put humans in the right context necessary for positive evolution: Where we come from, who we are, and where we are. Pretty complex topics already being explored elsewhere extensively.

4. Food. Modern diets are based on consuming negative energies from suffering beings. Opposite is pretty clear.

5. Families and groups. The cabal wants to create a collectivist system, the opposite is living in small, decentral and autonomous groups of maybe 50-500 people where everyone is connected with everyone and lives in the realization of being an integral part of the whole. There can be no suffering when the identification with the false personality (ego) is dissolved within such a group, no matter what happens. Every suffering outside forces want to afflict to members of such a group is turned into ecstasis and an even greater sense of self-realization and purpose. Everything is energy, and in the presence of pure love, darkness is simply dissolved.

6. The cabal uses destructive technology. The heretics possibly had access to certain advanced technology based on aether and electromagnetism.

In the presence of widespread evil the goal of these heretic groups was to keep the energy of the community high enough to resist the negative entities that try to severe the connections between people and the connection of individuals to themselves, to gain access to the energy that is freely flowing between them and direct it towards the pyramidal system (essentially a one-way road), which ultimately is represented by the image of a black hole, consuming everything. People who are really awake have a glow around them, because they emit so much life-energy. In a group of awake people, this energy is potentiated exponentially: "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." (Matthew 18:20)

The way out of this mess is in re-connecting and living in small communities where people learn to clean their own energy centers, keep the connections with other stable (giving, receiving), and create an energetic field that withstands all evil, first from within, and then from without. The things that are possible within such a field of love are probably unimaginable to us. In short, with this energy you can create. Most of the energy of humanity nowadays is being channeled through invisible pipes into the cabal's pyramid system with a single insatiable entity on top, currently controlling the material world. If this energy would be freely available, humans could create something life-affirming, awe-inspiring and wonderful. I doubt there's a single group of humans on earth currently that is able to preserve their own energy. While there are still places on earth where people live relatively unaffected by evil, they are not able to channel their energy productively, because we have forgotten the science of reality. The places on earth with the highest levels of life-energy are on the top of the PTB's list of places to destroy and subvert.

They have devices with which they can sense the quality of vibrations/energy in a given place. The moment someone manages to abruptly change the energy of a place from negative to positive, their drones (black helicopters) swarm out to analyze the situation. Why is that? Because the primary goal of the 'children of darkness' is in absorbing our life energy. When a small group of people manages to transform a single place from negative into positive energy, it could start a collective process of transformation. The entire 'grid' is under evil control, but maybe this is about to change?
 
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Username: WeeWarrior
Date: 2020-08-03 21:27:02
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Guess we have to rise above all that crap then, it's all just a pitiful attempt to curtail an inevitable awakening and we need to recognize it for what it is and move past it.

Have you seen The Green Beautiful? Someone just sent me this excellent remastered copy with great subtitles and I was delighted it was making the rounds again. I found it even more inspiring than I had on my previous viewings. Who knows, maybe everyone who watches it will be able to "disconnect" like the characters in the movie and remember the pure joy of existence!
 
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