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Here's some questions about Confederate monuments.
1. Why are there Confederate monuments in Washington, DC? I get Confederate monuments in Southern states, but why Washington? Reconciliation is one thing, but why have statues honoring people who fought against you?

2. Why are there monuments in West Virginia, an ostensibly Union state?

Hypothesis: The US and CSA fought on the same side against a third, unknown foe. The Civil War as we are told of it is a "false memory" based upon falsified records.
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Username: RTP now
Date: 2020-06-18 16:36:54
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I actually shared a similar thought with my son the other day after yet another story of monuments being destroyed. Why is Albert Pike such a central figure in Washington DC?

Yeah, I tend to think that these two factions were on the same side and they’ve altered the history for their benefit.

I can’t quite figure this madness out but I feel that the story of the so-called slaves is key to unraveling this mess. Isn’t odd that the entire world has switched from COVID to BLM? Isn’t odd that there’s now a push to make Juneteenth a national holiday? Isn’t it odd that Trump was scheduled to re-launch his campaign in Tulsa, OK?

Andrew Jackson is known for many things, but most are unaware that he fought and defeated a group of runaway “slaves” and Choctaw Indians at [Negro Fort - Wikipedia] in 1816. As a result of this victory, the US gained control of what was called Spanish Florida and the Indians and black allies were forced into “Indian” territory in Oklahoma. The reason I point this out is because Andrew Jackson was the alleged founder of the Democratic Party which is now the party of so-called black people while Trump is a Republican who worships Mr. Jackson.

While traveling across the country recently with my son through Oklahoma, we saw an exit for Cimarron. I pointed it to him and told him that the word Seminole comes from that word. The Spanish who controlled much of the southeast at the time used it to describe the negros who were trying to escape from the English speaking people further north. Somehow Fort Negro was built by the British during the war of 1812 and the Indians in Florida became Seminoles and moved to Oklahoma with a few so-called blacks.

I have a feeling that much of the truth of the Civil War is in fact about these so-called black people and Tulsa. I may have to do a post on Tulsa because I didn’t know there was so much old and very amazing architecture there. I also didn’t quite understand the scope of the burning of what was known as “Black Wall Street” until I was there. We had no intention of going there or seeing what we saw. However, after seeing what I saw, I’m convinced that there’s WAY more to the story and it all goes back to the fake history of the Civil War. How could these so-called black people accumulate so much wealth and power so soon after the Civil War?

So much to dig into and I don’t want to get off topic. Yes, I tend to agree that it was USA/CSA against the old order and old order consisted of a mixed society who lost. Those from the old order who are now labeled as “blacks” suffered the most as prisoners of war. They were able to isolate themselves and carry-on afterwards until ALL of their communities were burned and destroyed during “reconstruction” and into the mid 20th century. The “Great Migration” north was the final push to get them off the land and into the bombed out urban centers of the north.

My apology for rambling but I took a break to get this out on my phone.
 
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Username: Ningen04
Date: 2020-06-18 16:45:53
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This is because Albert Pike was a Freemason and the statue was built by the Freemasons. Make of that what you will...

The values of the Republican and Democrat Parties switched around due to the Democrats trying to win over the new voter bloc in the West of America at the turn of the 20th century by appealing to their interest in larger government. This caused disillusionment among the right-wing Democrats of the party, and they switched over to the Republican side. Eventually the Republicans had become the party of small government and right wing policies, while the Democrats had switched to being the centrist party advocating for larger government. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican - and Republicanism throughout history has usually referred to progressive or even leftist movements such as during the Spanish Civil War and the French Revolution.
 
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Username: SunBard
Date: 2020-06-18 16:52:15
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A fascinating idea. The idea of an ancient, mixed society is intriguing. Interesting how Nationalism popped up in the (of course) 19th century.
 
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Username: RTP now
Date: 2020-06-18 20:43:32
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How is it that so-called slaves allied with whites able to control the most important port city in the South post-civil war? Depending on which version of the story you read, it was the white Republicans who allied with the blacks to control the political apparatus of the city. This caused the white Democrats to go on the offensive and burn the city and chase the blacks out of town... this event is recognized as the only coup d’etat in US history.

This incident is but one of many that makes me question the slave history of the South. I know the narrative about how the democrats became republicans and the republicans democrats. By my reckoning, it all appears to have been a trick to deceive future generations.

Yes, I know that Albert Pike was THE Freemason, which is why we should really question the civil war narrative.
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2020-06-19 05:19:55
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One thing in particular makes me question the slave narrative and that is Sally (?), Thomas Jefferson's slave.

He once took her with him when he was visiting France and meeting with important people there.

The French dignitaries took pity on her and surreptitiously offered her assylum in France. This was her big break! She could escape the horrors of slavery legally and with the blessings and assistance of powerful allies. She refused. Was it fear that caused her to reject her one best chance of freedom? I don't think so. Jefferson would not have dared to offend his hosts as he was there on a diplomatic mission. Make of that story what you will.

Don't misunderstand me, slavery is just wrong no matter how much you like your master or how well he treats you. (Told that to an ex-husband once. ?)

There's much to say on the topic of slavery in general and the civil war in particular but I have an early morning and need to get to sleep.
 
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Date: 2020-06-19 08:16:37
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Yes, the story of Sally Hemings is a curious one. I’ve often wondered if perhaps there’s more to it than we’ve been told. In general, there’s so much about the “slavery” narrative that just doesn’t add up. It’s neatly packaged in such a way that both sides avoid beyond the “story” for seemingly different reasons. In the end, it has served as a powerful GLUE of the control system.

It was W.E.B DuBois who said that the problem of the 20th century was the problem of the color line. More true today than when he said it as some of us are re-thinking the narrative.
 
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Username: BStankman
Date: 2020-06-19 10:45:36
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I think we have some clues for this.

The Pike statue in Washington DC is fairly clear another third party was the casualty of the war.

pike dc.jpg

The Mason Dixon line could be another clue the war was staged by the York rite masons and the Jesuits d'IXXI to destroy the remnants of this civilization.
In another 150 years, Wikipedia will be telling us this was a war between Westinghouse and Netflix. After the media convinces the useful idiots to destroy the Confederate statues.

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The question of slavery is a touchy one, but history cannot have been exactly like they describe it to us.
Cruel mistreatment of slaves eventually leads to Sparticus. And they seem to have recycled this story into the history of Fort Gadsen.

Fort Gadsden sketch.jpg

Instead, it seems slavery was perhaps something more like this.
The Death of General Warren at the Battle of Bunker's Hill, June 17, 1775 - Wikipedia

This is Lt. Thomas Grosvenor and his black servant Key.
Notice who has the rifle. Generally it is not a good idea to someone you inhumanely mistreat superior firepower.
If you ask me, their relationship was more intimate, and Grosvenor trusted Key with his life.

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Jefferson. You can only laugh the irony of the useful idiots destroying statues of the the man that wrote
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.."

Almost as funny is watching Jeffersonian historians do their gymnastics on this, while the narrative points to Jefferson being a rapist of his 14 year old property Sally Hemings. Sally Hemings was actually the half sister of his deceased wife Martha Hemings. They shared the same father, and Sally was of mixed race. Further pointing to an integrated civilization.

It is not a very popular idea here, but I highly suspect Jefferson himself was an educated slave in the Carthage / Moor tradition.
Part of the integrated civilization from the Barbary coast that had colonized the eastern coast prior to 1942. That the Spanish, French, and Dutch inherited from the reconquistas that conveniently also ended in 1492.

His declaration of independence and Barbary Wars was possibly something personal.
Also of note, the masons have tried but cannot claim him, and he studied the Qu'ran.
 
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Date: 2020-06-19 12:06:15
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Very interesting idea on Jefferson... I hadn’t considered that but it does make sense given the close historical ties between the early founding of the US and the king of Morocco. This is definitely a topic worthy of research. I’m also curious about the real reason for Jefferson re-writing of the Bible [Jefferson Bible - Wikipedia].
BTW, I’ve stressed on other threads the importance of 1492 and I’m glad you also noticed the “coincidence”.
 
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Username: RTP now
Date: 2020-06-20 11:15:00
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A statue, just like images on coins and the paper we call money, is an ancestral totem coded with the energetic frequency of those who created it. While I don’t agree with indiscriminately destroying historical evidence, I do understand why there’s such negative emotions about them. The problem as I see it is that we are destroying historical evidence before we’ve done a proper accounting.

BTW, if statues had no purpose, I doubt so many of them would’ve been erected.

As to why they are now encouraged and allowed to be destroyed, I think it’s because the psychopathic controllers know that their time is up and they want the evidence removed before we fully awaken. Imagine what would happen if it was discovered that the civil war was fake and the two supposedly opposing sides were part of the team that conquered this realm...
 
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Username: dreamtime
Date: 2020-06-20 11:23:55
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It's easy to despise slavery based on the associations that were fed to us. But in reality the PTB only abolished the word but not actual slavery, and actually created a new form of slavery that is worse in every respect. Everyone today who has to work for money or doesn't have access to a lot of money is a slave, without the benefits pre-civil war slaves enjoyed. The most important benefit was living within a caring community.

Just like with the Roman Empire, all the old empires were based on this system of masters and slaves, and our world is, too. Only that nowadays there are even more slaves than in the past. Back then pre-civil war in the antebellum-south most communities were probably organised around a small family of owners, having lots of slaves they treated well enough so that they don't revolt. In the best case, everyone felt as part of a big family with a common goal. In the worst case, the masters abused their power and the slaves were suffering.

After the word slavery was abolished, these communal structures continued to exist in some form or another with the slaves now being called house maids and stable boys. The power was mostly with the family patriarch and his wife. But nowadays there are only a few familes left that hold a lot of power over resources including humans, mostly the ulta-rich.

With the 1800 cataclysm that preceeded the industrial revolution the conditions for slaves probably became way worse than before, and laid the foundation for the abolishment of the word slavery. Children working in mines, on fields and in factories in the Victorian England are one example.

Nowadays the masters are so far away from the slaves that it's impossible to revolt.

The current events destroying the confederate statues and other statues associated with 'slavery' are an interesting development and probably connected to the coronavirus event.

There's an interesting movie called Indochine, it's about colonialism before and during the communist revolution in Vietnam, showing some of the aspects of communal life between masters and slaves, and the desturction of the old way of life. I'd say almost everyone lost when the colonial system was abolished, just like everyone lost when the colonial system replaced the previous system. In other words, conditions are devolving from age to age.

 
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Username: RTP now
Date: 2020-06-20 12:11:55
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Yes, you make a valid point that while the word “slave/slavery” was made taboo, a more insidious form of whatever that practice was has been implemented without the people noticing.

As far as the benefits of pre-civil war slavery, I am not sure what they would’ve been. I say this because I think the entire “slavery” is a false construct created specifically to trick humanity into the current system we have today. From my perspective, I think the “civil war” was a campaign of the larger global war. A consequence, or outcome of it was the slavery narrative when in fact the people were prisoners of war.

Isn’t a bit odd that even in the alternative history community, the people classified as black/African American/negro; etc, are the slaves? All these research into tartaria and ancient everything but we aren’t questioning the slave story? We question everything except that???

I could be wrong, but all this Juneteenth, BLM and statue removal is a bit odd.

Not to get off topic, but this Juneteenth stuff is bugging me a bit... it just doesn’t make sense to me when put it in context of what we are told was happening back during those times.

As usual, I’m on this tiny phone, but consider this:

1. Juneteenth is supposed to be based on the fact that Union army notified the dumb slaves that they were free at the end of civil war on June 19, 1865.

2. Texas admitted to the Union 1844 (keep in mind that it was sparsely populated because Mexico had to invite foreign settlers after it gained independence from Spain in 1820).

3. Somehow Texas became a large slave state even though it was sparsely populated.

4. Consider that the 2nd President of Mexico [Vicente Guerrero - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre] was a so-called black man who apparently was there due to slavery (how does a person with that background become president)?

5. Keep in mind that this 2nd president “abolished” slavery when elected but somehow it re-sprouted to such an extent that Texas became a slave stronghold from 1844 - 1865.

7. One final thing to note according to what we are told is that many of the runaway “slaves” and Indians from the southeast US escaped into Mexico in the early 1800s to avoid Mr. Jackson and his team.

I don’t understand how all of this nonsense jives to produce Juneteenth. All this attention on everything “black” is consistent with the “slavery” psy-op of the 1800s. So-called black/Africa Americans were used then and are being used again through made up history.

If we are going to solve the problems we face, we better get past our color biases and preferences. I continue to say that a key to the mystery is decoding the black/white thing.

Aren’t those the colors of the Masonic checkered floor?
 
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Username: MrB0N3s
Date: 2020-06-20 12:36:17
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I have been told by a family member whilst they showed me a photo album of the town Guelph, it was pro confederate city in Canada and one of several despite the connection to The Underground Railroad to Canada a place almost equivacally known for not being a confederate territory of the states, but here I was staring at Photographs of a few Cities in Canada being pro confederate.

Does this even make sense for us, confederate states above the union holding the Niagara region would have ended the war quickly, how would a pathetically outnumbered American Union resist Canada, Spain and The Native Americans while fending off the much larger Confederates of America, and how were the confederates collaborating with Canada to free "slaves" on one end and keeping them where they are in the South?

Things like this mean the civil war was completely rewritten and that even our grandparents might have noticed it. Maybe theres a reason Southern culture exists in the South and is celebrated by some black cultures despite its horrible connection to "slavery" and other black cultures, typically more leftist enticed, from outside of the south believe "black history" is the correct series of events, even though we consistently find proof its not even close to what was happening.

There has to be a third enemy or a bigger facet of war thats been intentionally obscured within under a hundred years, where I am a mysterious Aboriginal American group lived near the Niagara tunnel systems, they spoke a mixed language the other Natives described as awry tounged, attawandonak, different language speaking, they insisted their culture was different, there is ancient structures buried here in dirt built by them, very fancy brickwork, they could have been building castles, it reminds me of the Nurembega tower in some ways, or the base of the Washington monument, these people could have been speaking a deutch english integrated hybrid, I think pretty deeply to the Moor and Barbary territories connection, mixed races, languages, these Natives became known as the Neutrals, because they stayed out of the Native conflicts until their demise by the Jesuits, in which disease killed them shortly after the Jesuits arrived to visit them, considering other unsavoury things they've done I wouldn't be putting it past them to wipe out the survivors of the previous confederate wars and each of the native wars this way, they have a massive presence in Canadian history, they have contributed charity and malice alike, I didn't want it to be the Jesuits after reading about them and their presence in the rebuilding of the Netherlands, the stashes of fake relics and counterfeiting, and the creation of many underground tunnels in Europe. There is something with the counterfeiting of that era that is hugely in depth, the obfuscation of intent and purposeful abuse of capital, banking and politics assures a deep seeded connection with world mafias, crime organizations and clandestine operatives not needing or wanting to be performed by world governments, I must admit it makes me think of the anime The Castle of Cagliostro.

They had dug up over 200'000 native skeletons discovered mostly intact each under a parking lot, the city had not always been named Guelph, I had discovered speaking with the remaining Dish With One Spoon Covenant, these neutral people called often the Neutral Confederacy, the name for the previous city was Teontoantianac, and it almost assuredly had a massive structure on top of a starfort as its center piece which has been destroyed and replaced with a recreation copy of an equally massive Notre Dame Cathedral they finished its construction in the 1930s, buts its demolition and replacement with several structures overtime must have happened in 1812 when the Huron Tract declared the area a new name which is now Guelph,
I implore another Canadian to research this town as well as John Galt and Goderich, yet in its days as a Neutral Territory the Jesuit and French visitors called it the Notre Dame De Angles, as if in the pre civil war period and earlier in the late 1680s there had been a Notre Dame Cathedral already built by others, and not the French who were naming it an English church. Six surrounding hill drummonds within a few tens of kilometers each have outcroppings in the canopy at their apex to view the massive structure, implying people as far back as the trees on the hill had been gazing at the former structure when it still stood.

From what I'm understanding in the Huron Tract, if it was confederate oriented, controlled the Niagara tunnels and was responsible for mass bootlegging between Canadian and American mafias, it only makes sense to me even more of its history would be lied about in the recent past to further seperate it from reality. That whole border may aswell be an entire operation to literally undermine Americans with tunnel systems and literal underground railroad mineshafts , while we enslaved the Chinese to build railroads with dynamite and hand labour out west during all this, Boxer Rebellion, dissolving of China and Asian POWs during Canadas infancy.

It is clear to me, we were being gamed even back then, I wonder how else they planned out these cities, many prebuilt. I have to wonder who were previous natives the other natives didn't understand, and what made them such good builders, where did they go during confederacy, and how much of Canada was even aligned properly.

It doesn't seem like the West was fighting the same war as the East, it can't be about slavery as it didn't change slavery, so what kind of situation are we left with?
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-06-20 14:01:18
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Interesting notion. However if the energetic frequency is true then surely it carries the energetic frequency of the sculptor not the commissioner does it not?.

I never said they had no purpose.
T o me the purposes they have is to reinforce the chosen narrative in the minds of people who neither knew the character, took part in the event(s) or were even aware of them character or the event.
This symbolism crosses generational boundaries with ease and the documented records gain the illusion of truth because of something tangible that endures. It is so the written words must be so. "No need to think about it we've done it for you" so too speak. "It was Rebs V Feds."

Question is what would you accept as evidence either for the Rebs v Feds, old order v new order, or the as yet unknown and invisible in the statuary/written/painted/drawn/photographic/hand written journals & diaries third party the Rebs n Feds were killing?

Perhaps the clues, if they exist, are in the time just prior to the start of the civil war not in the 'after effects'. Just a thought.
 
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Username: RTP now
Date: 2020-06-20 14:26:41
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Fascinating information... the thing that gets my attention about the 1800s is the number and scale of concurrent wars all segmented and given different names.

There’s no way for any country or group of people to be involved in so many wars while simultaneously enslaving the planet, building out-of-this-world architecture, exploring the world, and inventing EVERYTHING that serves as the foundation of our “modern” world.

It just doesn’t add up no matter how you try to piece it together.
I could be wrong, but I think we are saying the same thing in a different way.
To be honest, I’m not quite sure what to make of it because I’m also rethinking my position on this period.

My general thinking is that the period we are discussing is a sub-period of a larger cycle referred to as Yugas in the Vedic tradition. The current cycle we are in, and existing, is the Kali Yuga. This cycle began 1200 years (approximately) ago and is characterized by a series of continuous wars for control of this realm from the previous rulers of the Dwerpara Yuga. All of these wars were really one war of the current controllers opposing the previous civilization. If you add the total number of years of the four Yuga cycles, you get 12,000. I find this interesting because it’s pretty much as far back as mainstream historians go.

I think the black/white narrative was created by these people who were also Masons and encoded in the checkered floor as a clue. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Albert Pike was a confederate general and Freemason, but is buried in Washington, DC [Albert Pike - Wikipedia].

Doesn’t add up when we start thinking...
Crazy synchronicity... for those of you familiar with Crrow777, he just posted a short member podcast where he shared info on the black/white Masonic game that is being played against us. I think there’s something there because I posted prior to downloading the episode.
 
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Username: Moundseeker
Date: 2020-06-20 17:53:06
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Anyone want to start a conversation on the actual amount of slavery that? Xisted in the US? I'm like where are all the transatlantic slave ships? Did they disappear? B/c they aren't in museums as far as I know.

Anyone with more historical knowledge care to list all the wars, monument building, enlightenment stuff going on in the 1800's as I agree there seems to be too much happening at one time all over the world. Also, I follow a YouTube channel and one video claims we have about 1000 years missing from history.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2020-06-20 18:18:31
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Due to this topic being bigger than the OP, as well as the sensitivity of the issue, it has to be a separate well researched thread with many different points covered.
 
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Agreed.... it’s definitely that needs to be addressed but it requires a LOT of work and attention. Probably NOT the best time to address it given the sensitivity of the topic. However, I will say that many more people on both sides of the white/black checkerboard are starting to poke at it.
 
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