Creatures Depicted in Ancient Art

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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2019-11-01 17:32:23
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alas Casmir I found these pics in a google search and finding anything worthwhile about Bulgaria turns out to be difficult they are bronze figures in a Bulgarian museum but finding these again is like sifting hay for a needle. I'm glad I saved them,but they are just random photos from the web, years ago as well, wayback machine maybe ? but I don't how to search that, The goat/ cow/ sheep thing is widely available as the first pic you find when searching Sumerian animals , Freak on leash is a real head scratcher , hence why I saved it.
 
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Username: EUAFU
Date: 2019-11-01 22:05:30
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I had a book that was bilingual Old English / Portuguese about the Legend of Beowulf. And in it Grendel was described as a kind of Tyrannosaurus and his mother as well. Many years ago I remembered this by reading the topics, but really I don't have a source to cite. I remember on SyFy I watched a B movie about Beowulf and coincidentally he was facing at least 1 tyrannosaurus and a Pterodactyl.


But I found it now researching Grendel was a dino?

BEOWULF AND THE DINOSAURS
 
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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2019-11-02 00:16:49
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uh..fantastic Beasts and the Crimes of Grindelwald suddenly takes on a new meaning
 
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Username: Recognition
Date: 2020-03-05 03:07:58
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Recently found this image, on sale for a nice price at Christie’s

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Take a look at the members of ‘Zhong Khui’s Hunting Procession’, in bottom panel, far left:

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These humanoid creatures same apropos to the discussion:) the time this piece was created in, seems to line up with KD’s Mutiny in the Sky hypothesis thread. Genetic hybrids of the past?

Here’s auction info:
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DAI JIN (ATTRIBUTED TO, 1388-1462) , Zhong Kui’s Hunting Procession
 
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Username: EUAFU
Date: 2020-03-05 05:19:27
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Increasing the image, the characters appear to have protrusions on their heads, a small pair of horns. The proportions between them and the animals are correct, but the feline they hunt seems to be very large and as far as I know it looks like an onça pintada (here in Brazil) or as they say a jaguar there.

DAI JIN (ATTRIBUTED TO, 1388-1462) , Zhong Kui’s Hunting Procession
 
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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2020-03-05 08:01:18
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well I see why this caught your attention, we have very detailed birds hawks for hunting a duck I could probably look at duck species and find that exact one. the horse rider has a swan hanging from his saddle , by the way that some interesting headgear he's wearing. All the tack and clothing seems to be faithfully rendered there's a perfectly recognizable fox ,bunny,dogs horse aaaannd then there's the matter of the variusly colored humaniod whatever who ever they are , my what big teeth they have ?? and then there's that stupendous cat thing wow! I gotta feel that it was all rendered faithfully ,or that artistic talent being a thing that the artist was just that good so that he could slide these fantastical elements in so smoothly. I lean toward its a true rendition , I mean even down to the butthole on the horse !
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2020-03-05 08:36:09
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Seems to be an eclectic blend of races in 1388 China. You've got blondes, red-heads, green teenage mutant Ninja turtles, Asian, a (possible) negroid. Zhong Kui looks rather blasse about being in such mixed company hunting giant jaguars as if a global culture, genetic hybrids, and monster cats were the norm. These paintings are really rather extraordinary. Vivid detail, faithful rendition of emotional actions of the hunters, casual conversation of others. I'm certainly no art historian but these paintings strike me as unique. Nice find!
 
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Username: EUAFU
Date: 2020-05-26 05:42:35
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It happened that Cardinal Salviati, who, as I have related, entertained an old hostility against me, had been appointed Legate to Parma. In that city a certain Milanese goldsmith, named Tobbia, was taken up for false coining, and condemned to the gallows and the stake. Representations in his favour, as being a man of great ability, were made to the Cardinal, who suspended the execution of the sentence, and wrote to the Pope, saying the best goldsmith in the world had come into his hands, sentenced to death for coining false money, but that he was a good simple fellow, who could plead in his excuse that he had taken counsel with his confessor, and had received, as he said, from him permission to do this. Thereto he added: "If you send for this great artist to Rome, your Holiness will bring down the overweening arrogance of your favourite Benvenuto, and I am quite certain that Tobbia's work will please you far more than his." The Pope accordingly sent for him at once; and when the man arrived, he made us both appear before him, and commissioned each of us to furnish a design for mounting an unicorn's horn, the finest which had ever been seen, and which had been sold for 17,000 ducats of the Camera. The Pope meant to give it to King Francis; but first he wished it richly set in gold, and ordered us to make sketches for this purpose. When they were finished, we took them to the Pope. That of Tobbia was in the form of a candlestick, the horn being stuck in it like a candle, and at the base of the piece he had introduced four little unicorns' heads of a very poor design. When I saw the thing, I could not refrain from laughing gently in my sleeve. The Pope noticed this, and cried: "Here, show me your sketch! "It was a single unicorn's head, proportioned in size to the horn. I had designed the finest head imaginable; for I took it partly from the horse and partly from the stag, enriching it with fantastic mane and other ornaments. Accordingly, no sooner was it seen, than every one decided in my favour. There were, however, present at the competition certain Milanese gentlemen of the first consequence, who said: "Most blessed Father, your Holiness is sending this magnificent present into France; please to reflect: that the French are people of no culture, and will not understand the excellence of Benvenuto's work; pyxes like this one of Tobbia's will suit their taste well, and these too can be finished quicker.[2] Benvenuto will devote himself to completing your chalice, and you will get two pieces done in the same time; moreover, this poor man, whom you have brought to Rome, will have the chance to be employed/' The Pope, who was anxious to obtain his chalice, very willingly adopted the advice of the Milanese gentlefolk.

Next day, therefore, he commissioned Tobbia to mount the unicorn's horn, and sent his Master of the Wardrobe to bid me finish the chalice.[3] I replied that I desired nothing in the world more than to complete the beautiful work I had begun: and if the material had been anything but gold, I could very easily have done so by myself; but it being gold, his Holiness must give me some of the metal if he wanted me to get through with my work. To this the vulgar courtier answered: "Zounds! don't ask the Pope for gold, unless you mean to drive him into such a fury as will ruin you." I said: "Oh, my good lord, will your lordship please to tell me how one can make bread without flour? Even so without gold this piece of mine cannot be finished." The Master of the Wardrobe, having an inkling that I had made a fool of him, told me he should report all I had spoken to his Holiness; and this he did. The Pope flew into a bestial passion, and swore he would wait to see if I was so mad as not to finish it. More than two months passed thus; and though I had declared I would not give a stroke to the chalice, I did not do so, but always went on working with the greatest interest. When he perceived I was not going to bring it, he began to display real displeasure, and protested he would punish me in one way or another. A jeweller from Milan in the Papal service happened to be present when these words were spoken. He was called Pompeo, and was closely related to Messer Trajano, the most favoured servant of Pope Clement. The two men came, upon a common understanding, to him and said: "If your Holiness were to deprive Benvenuto of the Mint, perhaps he would take it into his head to complete the chalice." To this the Pope answered: "No; two evil things would happen: first, I should be ill served in the Mint, which concerns me greatly; and secondly, I should certainly not get the chalice." The two Milanese, observing the Pope indisposed towards me, at last so far prevailed that he deprived me of the Mint, and gave it to a young Perugian, commonly known as Fagiuolo.[4] Pompeo came to inform me that his Holiness had taken my place in the Mint away, and that if I did not finish the chalice, he would deprive me of other things besides. I retorted: "Tell his Holiness that he has deprived himself and not me of the Mint, and that he will be doing the same with regard to those other things of which he speaks; and that if he wants to confer the post on me again, nothing will induce me to accept it." The graceless and unlucky fellow went off like an arrow to find the Pope and report this conversation; he added also something of his own invention. Eight days later, the Pope sent the same man to tell me that he did not mean me to finish the chalice, and wanted to have it back precisely at the point to which I had already brought it. I told Pompeo: "This thing is not like the Mint, which it was in his power to take away; but five hundred crowns which I received belong to his Holiness, and I am ready to return them; the piece itself is mine, and with it I shall do what I think best." Pompeo ran off to report my speech, together with some biting words which in my righteous anger I had let fly at himself.

The Life of Benvenuto Cellini/Sections LIX to LXX - Wikisource, the free online library
 
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Username: ripvanwillie
Date: 2020-05-26 06:10:08
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Maybe these were propaganda paintings trying to make the church and others look bad during a period of transition. It's always the wealthy and powerful who commission great(?) works of art. And this was the era when the world saw great change and the fall of those old leaders we don't have much info on these days. And the birth of modern science to oppose religion soon followed. Copernicus, et al, in the 16th century.
Look at the weird art we had in the last century, and now look at where we are today. The powers that be seem to plan things well in advance.
 
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Username: SunBard
Date: 2020-05-26 19:02:03
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To me it looks like they were on drugs.
 
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