SH Archive Dane Calloway's Channel: Most African Americans are really Native Americans Theory?

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Username: amphib
Date: 2020-02-11 12:58:06
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From the last few years of studying "history" and my own family....I agree with all those bullet points. The only thing is, is that I believe there is enough evidence to say that the Americas were pretty much always culturally and racially diverse and the truth is, regardless of your skin tone, it's almost impossible for many to know our true ethnicity. In the older censuses, a man could be black or white, no native option. Then you learn black and white are legal terms and not necessarily race. Not to mention in some/most colonies, it was illegal to marry and breed with one's own race, wonder what effect that had.

The whole dying off of the natives from disease has always ruffled my feathers. Why didn't all the Europeans die from native disease? The Europeans went around the whole world colonizing, why isn't every race and culture dead from European disease?

 

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Username: Trouvare
Date: 2020-02-11 15:09:29
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"Underground Railroad" is a metaphor.
It was never literal.

They utilized the cover of darkness, some tunnels, homes, forests, and any means to cloak their movement. The goal was to not get caught in the act.

If it were literal, how could this woman recon, and map, many 100's of miles of a subterranean railways, all before beginning the process of making this journey multiple times; and do it all within the time-frame given. If she were a former slave (or a black woman in slave country), no one who owned maps of said secret rail system would share them with her.

If that underground railroad existed, the US "Civil War" would've ended far sooner.

It would take many years just to verify the route (and map it out). More years to recon and test the map created.
THEN putting it into practice, with the life/death of people riding on your underground navigating skills... Nonsense!

This IS the dumbing down of the public on display; willful spreading of ideas, false-remembered, as fact! Those people don't remember what was said/taught, but how they initially visualized the information.

If you follow the rats, they will always lead you to trash.

If there were hundreds (thousands) of miles of underground railways, they would've been discovered by now. Please spare me links to D.U.M.B.S. and "Illuminati tunnels." Those are not what we're discussing.

Maybe the entire Harriet Tubman tale is pure fiction. A metaphor. An inspirational tale. Or a diversional one.

"Harriet Tubman," born: Araminta Ross, c. March 1822, Dorchester County, Maryland. Married twice (once divorced) and bore no children. Typical fictional hero(in).
Sr. Frederick Douglass looks less African and more "red-skinned" than his fellow abolitionists. What do you think?

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Something happened to Africa!
The inhabitants, whoever they were, scattered. This could be one plausible hypothesis. When?

To say that a very large continent (Africa) is inhabited by overwhelmingly one race, that was brought in from somewhere else, is loose logic. "But look at America..." Shut it. America has always been a box of crayons. Even Russia is a kaleidoscope of peoples.

Did the new Nubian colonizers kill all of the natives of Africa? Eat them? What did they do? Where's that story in writing? Oh, they pushed them all to South Africa...? Nah, those peeps still have British accents. We Americans lost that accent long ago.

We have written accounts of "red-skinned" and "red haired Caucasian giant" natives. Photographs only reveal the non-Caucasian. There were parts of this land that were not conquered by the "red-skinned" because it was inhabited by the Caucasian giants. So... there's one account for at least two types of people. The former are more akin to Asian than European in appearance (from New York, all the way down to the South of Chile).

This land was inhabited by many people types prior to when the adventurous Spaniards stumbled upon our shores. I think
Jbcool2244 has provided the sauce, a few posts above this entry.

And now they are convinced that they are "African-Americans," and everyone is shamed into using that term. Why use cultural law only for them? Why not the other races in America? It's a forced narrative, and you will comply!

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Turning any narrative, or concept, upside down (or reversing it) is not a discovery or new info. Such things are cute little, quick, thought games, but fall apart just as fast.

Our true past is buried under the dirt and carved in stone. Never mind the false "maps" (narratives) made by pirates. Don't follow the rats!

 

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Username: Japod
Date: 2020-02-11 21:24:33
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No, English is not my primary language and I’m not sure which theory you are referring to.
With regard to my “theory”, I think the link is to a book refuting thesis of book I did not write.

What exactly is your point, I am capable of providing many links that counter whatever it is the author from your shared link has written but it would be a waste of my time because you appear to be set in your position. Perhaps I should dig through it to add to pot of biased one-sided HISTORY.

i very much innerstand why anything other what we’ve been taught by the gatekeepers must be blocked. I don’t need to convince you or anyone... I’m just here to LEARN!

pretty scary, eh, if my “theory” is even remotely close to the truth. Man O Man, what if these people were already here and didn’t come over on “slave” ships? What if it’s true that the mongol “native Americans” came over recently across the Alaska/Russia land bridge?

No, those Olmec heads... they don’t look like “black” people... they are Chinese people cuz we the experts say so. No way “black” people could’ve done or contributed anything meaningful to the world. NO, dem wuz just SLAVES.

BTW, I wasn’t debating and don’t waste my time debating. I am sharing my perspective with a focus on learning. I didn’t know this was a debate forum; I thought it was a learning platform. I’ve had a lifetime of fake history that lumps so-called black people in boxes that make no sense and I am not buying it no matter how many books people like you offer as proof of your narrow thinking.

Dem dayz is over.

You are projecting your ignorance and racism on to me. This is the theory I was referring to from your own post: "However the Olmec colossal states and Easter Island statues may be considered evidence that what we consider "Africans" have been in the Americas for quite some time." African cultures did a lot of great things but there is no evidence of Olmec culture being African,its quite to the contrary.

 

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Username: RTP now
Date: 2020-02-11 22:06:02
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You are projecting your ignorance and racism on to me. This is the theory I was referring to from your own post: "However the Olmec colossal states and Easter Island statues may be considered evidence that what we consider "Africans" have been in the Americas for quite some time." African cultures did a lot of great things but there is no evidence of Olmec culture being African,its quite to the contrary.
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A few points:

1. I am not the original poster of this thread
2. I did not put forth any "theory" regarding the Olmecs
3. I put forth my thinking that the majority of so-called "black" people in the Americas were already here when the European arrived (they are NOT "Africans"
4. The book by Ivan Van Sertima proposes that Africans came to the Americas before "Columbus"... that is not what I've put forth in anything I've written on this form. His theory may in fact be true, but it's not what I put forth as my own thinking.
5. An image with mongol looking people does not prove that they are or were the Olmecs By my understanding, the only people capable of being racist are the parasitic forces and their agents who created and maintain the system of racism.
6. With regard to my racism, I am not certain what you mean by that.

Please understand that I am not emotionally affected by your name-calling (you called me ignorant, and and now a racist). My apology if I've offended you, no need to waste any more time on such an ignorant racist as me.

I think it's funny that you are asking me to "believe" photos of people who've live or lived in what is today Mexico a couple hundred years are examples of Olmecs when the very same historians say that they do not know what happened to the Olmec civilization. We cannot even decipher the mystery of the 1800s and yet I am to believe the experts on a people who lived who knows how long ago? I guess you are saying that those gigantic statues do not look negroid, or perhaps are fake. To keep things straight, I am not questioning the greatness of Africa or any other people, I simply gave my thinking that the idea of a negroid people being in the Americas outside of the slavery narrative makes sense to me!

FINALLY, PLEASE STOP with the name-calling... you do not know me and sitting and typing does not give you license to throw mud at people you cannot see!

A few points:

1. I am not the original poster of this thread
2. I did not put forth any "theory" regarding the Olmecs
3. I put forth my thinking that the majority of so-called "black" people in the Americas were already here when the European arrived (they are NOT "Africans"
4. The book by Ivan Van Sertima proposes that Africans came to the Americas before "Columbus"... that is not what I've put forth in anything I've written on this form. His theory may in fact be true, but it's not what I put forth as my own thinking.
5. An image with mongol looking people does not prove that they are or were the Olmecs By my understanding, the only people capable of being racist are the parasitic forces and their agents who created and maintain the system of racism.
6. With regard to my racism, I am not certain what you mean by that.

Please understand that I am not emotionally affected by your name-calling (you called me ignorant, and and now a racist). My apology if I've offended you, no need to waste any more time on such an ignorant racist as me.

I think it's funny that you are asking me to "believe" photos of people who've live or lived in what is today Mexico a couple hundred years are examples of Olmecs when the very same historians say that they do not know what happened to the Olmec civilization. We cannot even decipher the mystery of the 1800s and yet I am to believe the experts on a people who lived who knows how long ago? I guess you are saying that those gigantic statues do not look negroid, or perhaps are fake. To keep things straight, I am not questioning the greatness of Africa or any other people, I simply gave my thinking that the idea of a negroid people being in the Americas outside of the slavery narrative makes sense to me!

FINALLY, PLEASE STOP with the name-calling... you do not know me and sitting and typing does not give you license to throw mud at people you cannot see!

Perhaps this fellow [Vicente Guerrero - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicente_Guerrero) was brought over from Africa and somehow manage to become a leading revolutionary figure in the fight for independence from Spain. Doesn't seem strange that every single black/negro/african-whatever person of renown anywhere on the planet was a slave from Africa? Why is it that people such as Gueroro, Alexandre Dumas and [Alexander Pushkin - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin) came out of slavery and they lived in that strange period of the 17th/18th/19th century? As was noted elsewhere by KD, dem some pretty smart educated slaves to rise to of greatest poets, writers and generals. We are supposed to believe that slaves were able to rise to the level of President of Mexico... what was in the water back then/

 

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Username: Balibrew
Date: 2020-02-16 06:14:37
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Wierd, I was taught that the underground railroad was NOT a train system. Js
Also, for the record, in South America, there are large populations of dark-skinned people. And they are also stereotyped and vilified...I found this out listening to Spanish underground music.

In India, as well, there is a large population of dark-skinned people with straight hair. They are called Dravidians.

All races were in all places, this point should be beyond speculation by now. Except for the Jews, they are new on the scene, yes?

Jews are not a race

 

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Username: BStankman
Date: 2020-02-16 10:27:47
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Dane is correct. The dark skinned, woolly hair people were in the Americas before Columbus.
The Florentine Codex is clear, all colors were present.

More on this at Five dollar Indian

 

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Username: Bear Claw
Date: 2020-02-16 13:47:32
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For more on this topic, I recommend this guy. If you can endure the childs chatter. He doesn't take as well a researched an approach but he focuses on ideas. Interesting ones are how Africa means fatherland, America means motherland. The geographical similarities between the US and Africa. For instance the Mississippi vs the Nile and the amounts of land mass either side. Whether The Bible actually tells stories set in America but supplants them in Africa. The Pyramids on the Mississippi.

 

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Username: amphib
Date: 2020-02-16 22:19:13
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For more on this topic, I recommend this guy. If you can endure the childs chatter. He doesn't take as well a researched an approach but he focuses on ideas. Interesting ones are how Africa means fatherland, America means motherland. The geographical similarities between the US and Africa. For instance the Mississippi vs the Nile and the amounts of land mass either side. Whether The Bible actually tells stories set in America but supplants them in Africa. The Pyramids on the Mississippi.

Haven't watched the video yet but oddly enough, me and a friend started seeing some of those similarities. I've studied a lot of the esoteric, languages, religion, culture, etc, and he's been studying the history of the americas and "black people" and we quickly started noticing the overlaps once we found out that we were both studying "alternative history" and compared notes. It is definitely plausible, especially after learning stuff to do with the rivers and the etymology of their names and the fact that some things/places literally have the same name. The story of the Lene Lenape people coming east across America is almost verbatim the same as the story of moses and aaron leading their people into the promised land and finding giants.

 

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Username: Heleen
Date: 2020-02-17 17:56:49
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To know the races of natives of america, id need to see illustrations in historical books and maps etc. No theories.

So maybe a thread where people can post images from the 16th and 17th century would be a good start. Descriptions of natives in said books would be another good start also.

Once enough data is collected then we can start to form theories and look for evidence which supports or invalidates such theories.

Excellent idea! Instead of going around in circles in an endless maze of guessing and theiries we could actually get somewhere if we have real evidence.

 

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Username: Carolus
Date: 2020-02-29 00:20:29
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In old dutch literature there are several mentions of native black people in the Americas.

De zelfde Spanjaarden vonden ook Negers of Zwarten te Caracas tusschen St. Martha en Cartagena. Translated: The same Spaniards found also black people at Caracas between Saint Martha and Cartagena.

source

 

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2020-02-29 03:28:03
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Everybody's right. " past seven decades documenting the close ties connecting specific areas of West Africa with the Carolina coast." There's evidence that Africa was once connected to the Americas. Africa is splitting right now so we have proof of concept in our lifetime. If (when) the continents split, it's entirely possible, probable even, that whatever color was on either continent, all could travel back and forth.

 

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Username: Mabzynn
Date: 2020-03-09 11:54:39
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I wouldn't say most but they were definitely represented...

Researches Into the Physical History of Mankind - 1826




SOURCE

They were included in the Spanish caste system in California:

SOURCE

 

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Username: Bunnyman
Date: 2020-03-09 13:49:02
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We are the human race. All of us except perhaps they that do not belong to our species. What we are being persuaded to adopt is the distortion of our unity. Driving in a wedge to widen the gap between the ethnological differences of our human race by replacing it with the term "races" seems very successful in aiding a certain agenda it seems and it certainly seems to aid the confusing historical puzzle.

 

[Nick Weech]

For more on this topic, I recommend this guy. If you can endure the childs chatter. He doesn't take as well a researched an approach but he focuses on ideas. Interesting ones are how Africa means fatherland, America means motherland. The geographical similarities between the US and Africa. For instance the Mississippi vs the Nile and the amounts of land mass either side. Whether The Bible actually tells stories set in America but supplants them in Africa. The Pyramids on the Mississippi.

Since that video is gone, is there some link elsewhere pse?