Flat Earth

The Northern Tropic is the hottest place - it's where all the hot dry deserts are . Southern tropic has the cool dry deserts. The equator is warmer than the Southern tropic .
Then it would be in line with the Northern Tropic lying underneath the lowest/closest position of the sun. I knew that south of the equater the weather is colder than north of the equator, but I didn’t know that the hottest weather is along the north tropic rather than the equator itself.
 
Then it would be in line with the Northern Tropic lying underneath the lowest/closest position of the sun. I knew that south of the equater the weather is colder than north of the equator, but I didn’t know that the hottest weather is along the north tropic rather than the equator itself.
Yes it's not shouted from the rooftops for obvious reasons - consistent with FE and a local sun .
 
My wife was telling me, how when flat earth clicked for her, she had seen a picture of the a horizon, but followed by the same horizon, just upside down. And this just made sense to her.

I know many feel they have actually seen the curve, some say from the beach, others from planes, but we know that that just isn't so.

Anyways... just made this... enjoy... and show your friends <wink>

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From 24-25 kilometers away, standing maybe 1 meter higher than the water surface.
 

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Since internet rumors claim that Rob Skiba has moved into a new phase of existence, in tribute, I'd like to thank him for such contributions as the following talks:
  • Testing the Globe,
  • Debunking of the Top Ten Reasons Why We (allegedly) Know the Earth is Round, and
  • Debunking Flat Earth 101.
 
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So by that statement of fact if there is no container to push against the air simply keeps on going then?
Think of air as stacked.
What is doing the pushing upwards/outwards to the container?
The stacking of atmosphere will create a natural dense mass at the bottom and becoming less dense with each layer on top.
If air pressure is created by a force (currently unknown) pushing air against a container then at some distance from the container itself there must be some sort of pushback or equilibrium surely.
The push back is all due to the resistance of each layer against the layer above, all the way to the deck.
The pressure of liquid water on the bottom of the ocean is much more than the pressure on the air above the liquid water and yet the air bubble released from the bottom of the ocean somehow, by means unknown, is able to overcome the water pressure and rise up above the level surface of the water and in your statement of fact join the air above and continue until it hits a container wall.

Any air bubble would be only released from something that could not be crushed so readily, until it obviously does which releases that air bubble.
Once that air bubble is released it is the water crushing which pushes up the air, not the air itself.
Quite how the air can somehow travel in the opposite direction and find itself under a colossal pressure of the liquid water is a mystery to behold.
If I was to drop a heavy metal object into the water with just a small amount of air trapped within it, the metal would overcome the water resistance immediately until it was submerged from which the water itself forms a crush back onto the metal but can only crush it down, not up.
As it gets crushed down the metal gets compressed that little bit more depending on the depth of water and amount of dense mass of that water pressure.
Eventually the metal will either hit a barrier (sea bed or other) and either hold the minute amount of now more compressed air or it will be breached of it, in which case that air will be immediately crushed against but not down as it is not denser than the pressure of water it is already in, so it gets crushed up, just like a helium balloon would in atmosphere.
 
Electro-magnetic earth/solar system/universe theory is interesting and may be true. Let's say you drop several drops of water into strong magnetic field, it will retain round form and will be held by unknown force for observer.
Rain drops always have round form.
 
Another thought. Are there any people here who are well-read in the classical realist novels of the 19th century? I started thinking, and I can’t remember off hand any reference to the spinning globe earth. A lot of references to chemistry, tp biology, to geology, to the physics of engines, to evolution and natural selection. But I can’t remember any mentions of the shape of the earth until the literature of later periods. What about Newton? Is Newton mentioned? Various chemists are mentionréd, but I don’t remember Newton being mentioned. My memory might be wrong, please help me out.
 
@Blue Ice No, they don't mention. I remember only one novel, action goes in Russia about year 1915. One hero points to the sky, and says to another man: Did you know, that some of these stars not exist, we see only light from them.
 
@Blue Ice No, they don't mention. I remember only one novel, action goes in Russia about year 1915. One hero points to the sky, and says to another man: Did you know, that some of these stars not exist, we see only light from them.
That’s interesting! Yes, in 1915 you can already see that the heliocentric model is mentioned in literature.
 
Before I heard of flat earth, I was into the heresy of Coherent Catastrophism, which was itself a prototype of theories of world age resets.
Worlds in Collision was published in 1950. Mainstream science dealt harshly with its writer, Immanuel Velikovsky.

IV was a friend of the plagiarist pseudoscientist Einstein. Not a flatearther at all.

Velikovsky collected biblical and pagan myths of the Great Flood and the great reset of earth, which he claimed was caused by the comet Venus.
Yes, comet.

We can admire Velikovsky's scholarship without buying his conclusions.
This excerpt from his book may be the most scary scenario of a previous world in collision. The sky fell in ancient times. The sky is the dome. Firmament.



........

https://www.bibliotecapleyades…encia_velikovsky06_03.htm



THE COLLAPSED SKY



The rain of meteorites and fire from the sky, the clouds of dust of exogenous origin that drifted low, and the displacement of the world quarters created the impression that the sky had collapsed.



The ancient people of Mexico referred to a world age that came to its end when the sky collapsed and darkness enshrouded the world.



Strabo relates, in the name of Ptolemaeus, the son of Lagus, a general of Alexander and founder of the Egyptian dynasty called by his name, that the Celti who lived on the shores of the Adriatic were asked by Alexander what it was they most feared, to which they replied that they feared no one, but only that the sky might collapse.



The Chinese refer to the collapse of the sky which took place when the mountains fell. Because mountains fell or were leveled at the same time when the sky was displaced, ancient peoples, not only the Chinese, thought that mountains support the sky.



"The earth trembled, and the heavens dropped...the mountains melted," says the Song of Deborah. "The earth shook, the heavens also dropped at the presence of God: even Sinai itself was moved," says the psalmist.



The tribes of Samoa in their legends refer to a catastrophe when "in days of old the heavens fell down." The heavens or the clouds were so low that the people could not stand erect without touching them.



The Finns tell in their "Kalevala" that the support of the sky gave way and then a spark of fire kindled a new sun and a new moon. The Lapps make offerings accompanied by the prayer that the sky should not lose its support and fall down. The Eskimos of Greenland are afraid that the support of the sky may fail and the sky fall down and kill all human beings; a darkening of the sun and the moon will precede such a catastrophe.



The primitives of Africa, in eastern as well as western provinces of the continent, tell about the collapse of sky in the past. The Ovaherero tribesmen say that many years ago "the Greats of the sky" (Eyuru) let the sky fall on the earth; almost all the people were killed, only a few remained alive. The tribes of Kanga and Loanga also have a tradition of the collapse of the sky which annihilated the human race. The Wanyoro in Unyoro likewise relate that the sky fell on the earth and killed everybody: the god Kagra threw the firmament upon the earth to destroy mankind.



The tradition of the Cashinaua, the aborigines of western Brazil, is narrated as follows:



"The lightnings flashed and the thunders roared terribly and all were afraid. Then the heaven burst and the fragments fell down and killed everything and everybody. Heaven and earth changed places. Nothing that had life was left upon the earth."



In this tradition are included the same elements: the lightnings and thunderings, "the bursting of heaven," the fall of meteorites. About the change of places between heaven and earth there is more to say, and I shall not postpone the subject for long."......
 
Before I heard of flat earth, I was into the heresy of Coherent Catastrophism, which was itself a prototype of theories of world age resets.
Worlds in Collision was published in 1950. Mainstream science dealt harshly with its writer, Immanuel Velikovsky.

IV was a friend of the plagiarist pseudoscientist Einstein. Not a flatearther at all.

Velikovsky collected biblical and pagan myths of the Great Flood and the great reset of earth, which he claimed was caused by the comet Venus.
Yes, comet.

We can admire Velikovsky's scholarship without buying his conclusions.
This excerpt from his book may be the most scary scenario of a previous world in collision. The sky fell in ancient times. The sky is the dome. Firmament.



........

https://www.bibliotecapleyades…encia_velikovsky06_03.htm



THE COLLAPSED SKY



The rain of meteorites and fire from the sky, the clouds of dust of exogenous origin that drifted low, and the displacement of the world quarters created the impression that the sky had collapsed.



The ancient people of Mexico referred to a world age that came to its end when the sky collapsed and darkness enshrouded the world.



Strabo relates, in the name of Ptolemaeus, the son of Lagus, a general of Alexander and founder of the Egyptian dynasty called by his name, that the Celti who lived on the shores of the Adriatic were asked by Alexander what it was they most feared, to which they replied that they feared no one, but only that the sky might collapse.



The Chinese refer to the collapse of the sky which took place when the mountains fell. Because mountains fell or were leveled at the same time when the sky was displaced, ancient peoples, not only the Chinese, thought that mountains support the sky.



"The earth trembled, and the heavens dropped...the mountains melted," says the Song of Deborah. "The earth shook, the heavens also dropped at the presence of God: even Sinai itself was moved," says the psalmist.



The tribes of Samoa in their legends refer to a catastrophe when "in days of old the heavens fell down." The heavens or the clouds were so low that the people could not stand erect without touching them.



The Finns tell in their "Kalevala" that the support of the sky gave way and then a spark of fire kindled a new sun and a new moon. The Lapps make offerings accompanied by the prayer that the sky should not lose its support and fall down. The Eskimos of Greenland are afraid that the support of the sky may fail and the sky fall down and kill all human beings; a darkening of the sun and the moon will precede such a catastrophe.



The primitives of Africa, in eastern as well as western provinces of the continent, tell about the collapse of sky in the past. The Ovaherero tribesmen say that many years ago "the Greats of the sky" (Eyuru) let the sky fall on the earth; almost all the people were killed, only a few remained alive. The tribes of Kanga and Loanga also have a tradition of the collapse of the sky which annihilated the human race. The Wanyoro in Unyoro likewise relate that the sky fell on the earth and killed everybody: the god Kagra threw the firmament upon the earth to destroy mankind.



The tradition of the Cashinaua, the aborigines of western Brazil, is narrated as follows:



"The lightnings flashed and the thunders roared terribly and all were afraid. Then the heaven burst and the fragments fell down and killed everything and everybody. Heaven and earth changed places. Nothing that had life was left upon the earth."



In this tradition are included the same elements: the lightnings and thunderings, "the bursting of heaven," the fall of meteorites. About the change of places between heaven and earth there is more to say, and I shall not postpone the subject for long."......
Are snow globes a reminder of this? I always wondered why someone came up with such a strange idea.
 
Though this maybe important. From the end of 19th century and in the 20th appears Christian (Catholic) official liturgy painting: father God holds in his hand sphere, which represents Earth.
 
Asked a Joycean today whether Joyce mentioned the gepcentric model or planetary motion or Newton in his fiction. She thought not, at least she couldn’t remember. It’s intersting because he was very interested in science and mentioned a lit of science in Finnegans Wake. I dom’t know about you, felliw forum participants, but I find it mighty peculiar. The scientific model that gives the most food for imagination, and not mentioned.
 
Joyce wrote more about the individual, modern culture and mores, while Orwell thought more about the Control System whose Big Brother has become large and in charge of the world of today.

a pertinent excerpt from 1984,
PART THREE excerpted from the book 1984 by George Orwell


O'Brien silenced him by a movement of the hand. "We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. You will learn-by degrees, Winston. There is nothing that we could not do. Invisibility, levitation-anything. I could float off this floor like a soap bubble if I wished to. I do not wish to, because the Party does not wish it. You must get rid of those nineteenth century ideas about the laws of nature. We make the laws of nature.". . . .
"But the whole universe is outside us. Look at the stars! Some of them are a million light-years away. They are out of our reach forever."
"What are the stars?" said O'Brien indifferently. "They are bits of fire a few kilometers away. We could reach them if we wanted to. Or we could blot them out. The earth is the center of the universe. The sun and the stars go round it.". . . . When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometers away. But what of it? Do you suppose it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?"
So far, so one has changed my mind.

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Oh, what a great quotation from Bernard Shaw. Thanks so much for that. That’s what I’ve been saying too. The whole system of education and cultural indoctrination is to get us to distrust our reason, senses and intuition. To ”disarm” us. When we can’t trust our natural thoughts and feelings, we become vulnerable to being made into zombies. I am noticing an unusually high percentage of people these days who have lost all capacity for independent thought.

”Gigantic and microscopic” - so true, so true.
 
"lost all capacity for independent thought"
Instead of "lost," I might use the words "robbed of" --
to explain how government agencies have dumbed down the peeps.
Show this to friends and families to test the presence of functioning brain cells.

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1. clouds don't move during the 5-hour transit

2. size of the US is wrong -- at 3000 miles wide, it should be 3/8th the diameter of the blue sphere (8000 miles)

3. moon is 2-dimensionally flat and does not rotate clockwise as advertised by Nasa

4. moon travels in a straight line while the EPIC "geostationary" satellite maintained an amazing fixed position

5. earth exhibits a curious pareidolia in the appearance of an angry clown with one eye closed and the other one open and baleful (the dark object off the coast of California)

Overall, a slipshod product, its many glaring peculiarities a test of human discernment.
 
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