Flat Earth

[Justtheg]

What evidence is there that the Sun has a dark twin?

None except for a few claims by the "Globebusters" and their clan.

I would also like to share a totally different theory that combines simulation theory and flat earth, as well as debunking the AE map and model.

They consider it a purely biblical cosmology, and they believe that the AE map pushers are all disinformation agents.

Awake Souls
YouTube (debunking AE map hangout):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upuX1dAsd-E


Odyssey Channel
Awake Souls

Telegram Group
Reality Check Chat

Their map:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1att3OxemIh-_v8wDjEmlizG2-2Tq20WW/view

 

[grav]

They consider it a purely biblical cosmology, and they believe that the AE map pushers are all disinformation agents.

I am watching fewer and fewer of the videos put out by the globebusters.
Almost none, actually. I do like your use of 'clan' to describe their fellow academicians. What we see is, in my opinion, an unhealthy devolution of the whole process of discovery.

Jeranism is leading the pack now. The infighting is inexcusable. The cute cartoons and special effects degrade serious discussions. Sloughing off biblical and mythological references makes no sense.

The last one, for instance. 2-hour videos???? What the hell? Who do they think they are? Esteemed intellectuals having daily teleconferences? or uppity a-holes who gang up in cool kid cliques?

I am a reader, anyhow, too old for FE moviolas.
Videos are crucial tools of instruction, of course. Up to a point. But they should be short and sharply focused. But no. We get these interminable, rambling and often mean gab fests that I find unbearable.
Example: the AE map. Why is it wrong?
Another: asteroids or whatever you call bolides -- what are they and how do they differ from comets?
The globebusters may have good intel but their delivery drives me away.

I am not sying the self-proclaimed leaders of the FE movement are psyop agents. Or am I? I used to like DITRH. Now, not so much.
I don't know what's going on now. But I don't like it.
Maybe I'm too old school. I used to teach composition. Clear communication needs simple explication.
Introduce your main idea.
Support your thesis with convincing evidence, facts, photos, logic.
Restate your main point/s in a smartly-composed conclusion. Exit gracefully.

 

[Just]

I am watching fewer and fewer of the videos put out by the globebusters.
Almost none, actually. I do like your use of 'clan' to describe their fellow academicians. What we see is, in my opinion, an unhealthy devolution of the whole process of discovery.

Jeranism is leading the pack now. The infighting is inexcusable. The cute cartoons and special effects degrade serious discussions. Sloughing off biblical and mythological references makes no sense.

The last one, for instance. 2-hour videos???? What the hell? Who do they think they are? Esteemed intellectuals having daily teleconferences? or uppity a-holes who gang up in cool kid cliques?

I am a reader, anyhow, too old for FE moviolas.
Videos are crucial tools of instruction, of course. Up to a point. But they should be short and sharply focused. But no. We get these interminable, rambling and often mean gab fests that I find unbearable.
Example: the AE map. Why is it wrong?
Another: asteroids or whatever you call bolides -- what are they and how do they differ from comets?
The globebusters may have good intel but their delivery drives me away.

I am not sying the self-proclaimed leaders of the FE movement are psyop agents. Or am I? I used to like DITRH. Now, not so much.
I don't know what's going on now. But I don't like it.
Maybe I'm too old school. I used to teach composition. Clear communication needs simple explication.
Introduce your main idea.
Support your thesis with convincing evidence, facts, photos, logic.
Restate your main point/s in a smartly-composed conclusion. Exit gracefully.

Like everything else in this scam-driven world, disinformation is being used to muddy the waters till we don’t know what is real anymore. Many if not most of the FE ‘truthers’ are liars but that doesn’t mean FE isn’t a real thing. If they’re so desperate to put out disinformation, it kind of confirms that what they’re trying to confuse us about is true, in my opinion. Truth is the biggest casualty in the info war we’re currently in. Trust your instinct and if something sounds like garbage it probably is.

 

[FarewellAngelina]

I am watching fewer and fewer of the videos put out by the globebusters.
Almost none, actually. I do like your use of 'clan' to describe their fellow academicians. What we see is, in my opinion, an unhealthy devolution of the whole process of discovery.

Jeranism is leading the pack now. The infighting is inexcusable. The cute cartoons and special effects degrade serious discussions. Sloughing off biblical and mythological references makes no sense.

The last one, for instance. 2-hour videos???? What the hell? Who do they think they are? Esteemed intellectuals having daily teleconferences? or uppity a-holes who gang up in cool kid cliques?

I am a reader, anyhow, too old for FE moviolas.
Videos are crucial tools of instruction, of course. Up to a point. But they should be short and sharply focused. But no. We get these interminable, rambling and often mean gab fests that I find unbearable.
Example: the AE map. Why is it wrong?

Why the AE map is not a flat earth map.

The separation between lines of latitude increases in distance towards the North Pole on that AE projection. A flat earth map should show the distance shortening between lines of latitude proceeding North , latitude a measure of angle to the north pole star .

The equator should not be the centre circle of the plane on an FE map - it is the mid point between the tropics which in turn mark the limits of the suns journey. The equator does not split the world in two . That's just a requirement of heliocentric theory.

My opinion is that the AE map is just part of the disinformation peddled by TPTB to muddy the waters. It's why we have globe believers quoting flight path nonsense and other such nonsense . For me it falls into the "hidden in plain sight" category so loved by the idiots in power. It may not be totally wrong but it ain't right.

Hope that makes sense Grav

 

[otl2021]

The above map is the closest representation of or world that we know of. How do we know this?

Two words: Emergency Landings!


View: https://youtu.be/EIaYzgvr4Ww



A few years back, genius, Eddie Alencar, published "16 Emergency Landings."

https://www.flatearthresearch.com/w...EWoQBPw7PjIT6q0rXqGRAdztCiYU8kK8zb5j-WDsGBIWc

More here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7ScUgzfo4


And here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVP8-mcpook


If you consider the above, you will realize that pilots use the above map or something extremely similar, and never a globe or anything close to that.

As far as the shills and the division.... whatever. The truth is there for anyone who wants it.

 

[grav]

I accept the Azimulthal-Equidistant (Gleason) projection as the best map we currently have. Maybe it displays the northern "hemisphere" correctly. Beyond the equator, not so much.

There are no FE cartographers and no consensus about the sizes and shapes of continents and oceans. Latitude and longitude lines are clever manipulations of geography that do not work on a flat map.

In other words, we are no closer now to a true world representation than we were 10 years ago. All the old maps resemble each other, including the land mass we now call the Arctic Circle.

No links for now.
But I dd watch Jake the As*hole's video from a few days ago. Two people in the southern hemisphere used compasses that pointed to the sun setting south-southwest. Which means what? The sun's true path defies the overhead circle of current ideas of geocentrism? or else our flat world view is way out of whack?

I do have one link. Vibes of Cosmos tracks the moon and sees its craters and topography as a reflection of the earth. Basically, a plasma effect that echoes earth's portion of the infnite plane.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fXm83QKoND8

 

[Watcher369]

How about the FLAT out proof being pushed alongside other illuminati symbols in the biggest kids game to hit the gaming industry. From start to finish your draw will drop....
View: https://youtu.be/5Rasl5UwwNY

 

[otl2021]

I accept the Azimulthal-Equidistant (Gleason) projection as the best map we currently have. Maybe it displays the northern "hemisphere" correctly. Beyond the equator, not so much.

There is one simple truth here. None of us know exactly what this place looks like as none of us have been high enough to see it, let alone photograph it.

That said, Gleason's painstaking work should not be forgotten. The man documents, along with many others, how consistently ships in the "southern hemisphere" were miles off their reckoning.

All made up? No actual journals of the narrative's most esteemed captains exist? And none are what they are claimed to be?

In just the last few years, the narrative has changed again, as our world is now described as a spear-shaped, oblate spheroid with the "southern hemisphere," now larger than her northern counterpart. They know that the latitudes below the equator are far larger than their northern counterparts.

There are no FE cartographers and no consensus about the sizes and shapes of continents and oceans. Latitude and longitude lines are clever manipulations of geography that do not work on a flat map.

What I can be sure of from my research is that a) Gleason was a "FE cartographer," b) regardless of consensus that will never be allowed to occur, his map, patented as a time-piece, is still to this day as accurate as it was in 1892, and c) the latitudes and longitudes on that map are what today's gps is based off of... what they built their globe from... or something quite similar.

Now, I gotta ask... do you see anything resembling our known world reflected in the moon?

 

[grav]

Now, I gotta ask... do you see anything resembling our known world reflected in the moon?

I think the Vibes of Cosmos Youtuber has said that it's not so much a reflection as a reproduction of the original design. Maybe a computer code set the dimensions and construction, kind of like a laser printer that makes copies from the template.
Our world is the beat-up damaged-goods mess we or others have made it.
Our Garden of Eden has become a garbage dump.
Atlantis is gone, beautiful swamps have turned into Walmart parking lots, people have turned their backs on Nature. We have terraformed our terrain for unworthy purposes, in my opinion.

Anyway, to your question, no. I don't see the Gleason map on the moon.

 

[space966]

It may appear, that earth don't have form, it's timeline.

 

[grav]

It may appear, that earth don't have form, it's timeline.

I reckon it's a computer program. We are live action role players in a rebootable sim world.

The earth does have form, in the sense that the software specifies picky details like gravity and centrifugal force.
The Control System shows us the truth in movies: Tron (1982), Dark City (1998), Avatar (2009).
And of course The Matrix (1999).
There really is no spoon.

 

[Justtheg]

There is one simple truth here. None of us know exactly what this place looks like as none of us have been high enough to see it, let alone photograph it.

That said, Gleason's painstaking work should not be forgotten. The man documents, along with many others, how consistently ships in the "southern hemisphere" were miles off their reckoning.

All made up? No actual journals of the narrative's most esteemed captains exist? And none are what they are claimed to be?

In just the last few years, the narrative has changed again, as our world is now described as a spear-shaped, oblate spheroid with the "southern hemisphere," now larger than her northern counterpart. They know that the latitudes below the equator are far larger than their northern counterparts.


What I can be sure of from my research is that a) Gleason was a "FE cartographer," b) regardless of consensus that will never be allowed to occur, his map, patented as a time-piece, is still to this day as accurate as it was in 1892, and c) the latitudes and longitudes on that map are what today's gps is based off of... what they built their globe from... or something quite similar.

Now, I gotta ask... do you see anything resembling our known world reflected in the moon?

In the AE map and model the sun would have to be constantly hooking to the right, would rise in the north east and set in the north west in northern hemisphere.

Does that occur?

Awake Souls points out facts that occur during the equinox the sun rising at a perfect 90° and setting at a perfect 270° no matter where on earth you are.

Only possible in a simulation? Their map has the sun reappearing on the other side like in the game asteroids, there is no definitive moment it reappears it is based on the individual observer.

Below is their stereographic map.

 

[6079SmithW]

I'm currently visiting my girlfriend, they have the TV on for her little girl, (I know) and currently some garbage on to indoctrinate the kids into believing the heliocentric garbage.

At this point, we know the powers in the world lie to us, so if they are so desperately trying to brainwash kids into believing the heliocentric model, that should be enough evidence for us that the model is a lie.

Flat as a pancake. I am thinking more and more it's a flat simulated realm. Hence some of the strange things that happen with the sun. Like the sun is being rendered by each of our bio computers. Just like the sun in a computer game is being rendered seperately by each player in the game.

While we won't agree on the details, for god's sake we don't need to, we only need to agree that the mainstream model is false

 

[Lightseeker]

I wanted to share some interesting comment I heard from some Youtuber (yeah, I know).

"Since the world is shaped by our beliefs, it doesn't make sense to wonder what the shape of the Earth is. Those who believe it to be a sphere will be quick to see a curve in the horizon, and believe anything that is shown to them by NASA. Those who believe it to be flat never see a curve in the horizon, and don't believe anything that NASA shows."

Not that I agree with this, since I believe in Earth being a flat plane, and land to be beyond the edge. Still an interesting take.

 

[grav]

Botany becomes geology.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o63U3_wj634


What caused the petrification?
Even in a computer program, a physical reaction must result from an outside force. The Electric Universe thinkers suggest a plasma event.

 

[alltheleaves]

I am watching fewer and fewer of the videos put out by the globebusters.
Almost none, actually. I do like your use of 'clan' to describe their fellow academicians. What we see is, in my opinion, an unhealthy devolution of the whole process of discovery.

Jeranism is leading the pack now. The infighting is inexcusable. The cute cartoons and special effects degrade serious discussions. Sloughing off biblical and mythological references makes no sense.

The last one, for instance. 2-hour videos???? What the hell? Who do they think they are? Esteemed intellectuals having daily teleconferences? or uppity a-holes who gang up in cool kid cliques?

I am a reader, anyhow, too old for FE moviolas.
Videos are crucial tools of instruction, of course. Up to a point. But they should be short and sharply focused. But no. We get these interminable, rambling and often mean gab fests that I find unbearable.
Example: the AE map. Why is it wrong?
Another: asteroids or whatever you call bolides -- what are they and how do they differ from comets?
The globebusters may have good intel but their delivery drives me away.

I am not sying the self-proclaimed leaders of the FE movement are psyop agents. Or am I? I used to like DITRH. Now, not so much.
I don't know what's going on now. But I don't like it.
Maybe I'm too old school. I used to teach composition. Clear communication needs simple explication.
Introduce your main idea.
Support your thesis with convincing evidence, facts, photos, logic.
Restate your main point/s in a smartly-composed conclusion. Exit gracefully.

The plot was lost long before we were born. Oldsters become aware of it early or late. By late, its too late.

Smokey God is a good read. Meeting the inner earth gods. Clink the link. Not the image. For access to pdfs of fe books.


View: https://archive.org/details/hidden-history-of-earth

 

[AllegedlyDave]

7 ways you can easily prove that the Earth is not flat
Posted Sunday 24 May 2020 10:00 by Mimi Launder in tech
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Pretty much everyone knows the Earth is a globe. But a very, very small minority of us cling inexplicably to the idea of a flat Earth.
So, with everyone staying inside over the course of the Covid-19 pandemic, we thought it was the perfect time to compile the ways you can prove that the Earth most definitely a globe.
1. Look upwards
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Yep, this one's pretty simple. When you look up at the night sky, you can only see certain constellations from certain points on Earth.

Someone in Australia will see a different sky to someone in England at night - for example, you can't see Polaris, the North Star, from the southern hemisphere.
If the Earth was flat, everyone would be able to see the same constellations.
2. Look down
An equally straightforward way to prove the Earth is not flat is to simply measure your shadow.
If you get two people at different distances from the equator, and they measure their shadows at the same time, their shadows will be different lengths. But if the Earth was flat, their shadows would be the same.
Eratosthenes, who conducted a version of this experiment, knew this 3,000 years ago
3. Weigh yourself
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Gravity, which pulls everyone towards the centre of our planet's mass, means we weigh the same wherever we are in the world.

But a flat Earth would mean that those at the edge of the disk would be pulled sideways, while those at the centre would be pulled down.
To iron out this problem, Flat Earthers have concluded there is no such thing as gravity - you know, that force that pretty much holds the entire Universe together.

But if they were correct, you would not be able to weigh yourself at all. You would also be dead.
4. Take a trip to Antarctica
Flat Earthers argue that Antarctica is actually a massive ice wall around a flat Earth.
But, if that were true, the countless planes that fly over Antarctica would surely have just... fallen off?

5. Check your watch
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To explain seasons, Flat Earthers argue that the sun orbits in a circle above us.
But that doesn't explain time zones, though this is their attempt, which shows the sun as some kind of spotlight,

Everyone whose ever used a torch at night knows you can see its beam from the side - and that would apply to a flat Earth too.
6. Grab a compass
Our planet has a magnetic field generated by the molten iron at the core of our planet.
If the Earth was flat, it would have no core. And even if it had a flat layer of liquid metal instead, the planet wouldn't rotate in a way that created a magnetic field.

7. Grab a pendulum
This famous experiment was first demonstrated in 1851 by Leon Foucault and is now found in museums around the world.

If you watch a pendulum for long enough, you'll notice it starts to swing in a slightly different direction, which proves the Earth is rotating beneath your feet.

1. Perspective tells us that the further away an object is, the lower it appears to us, until it disappears behind out vanishing point (This is related to the angular resolution limit of our eyes of 0.02 degrees) so, whereas Polaris will appear overhead at the north pole, the further south one travels, the lower in the sky it appears until it disappears altogether. The same occurs with all of the stars, so each observer has a personal dome of stars depending on their position on earth.

2. If Eratosthenes actually existed and it was actually possible for him to conduct such an experiment then it should be noted that he would get EXACTLY the same results on a flat earth, if the sun was small and close (3100 miles high and 34 miles across).
Eratosthenes calculations also depend on the rays of the sun coming down parallel, as they would with a sun 93 million miles away, however that is not consistent with observation, where we see diverging sun rays through broken cloud or a distorted shadow of a plane on thin cloud below it. Diverging sun rays are consistent with a sun that is small and close.

3. That point of view assumes that either Newtonian or Einsteinian conceptions of "Gravity" are correct. Neither of them are. Both theories depend on mass, either creating some strange attractive force or warping of some strange imaginary SpaceTime, however, a simple thought experiment disproves the theory that mass is a factor of the tendency of things to fall when you let go of them.
Put an empty gas bottle (let's say it weighs a pound) on a scale and zero out its weight, then fill it with 10lbs of Helium, now if we compare the gas bottle with an 11 pound iron weight then they would act in exactly the same way. Now evacuate the Helium into a balloon, the same number of Helium atoms (it's mass) remains the same in the balloon as in the gas bottle, it's mass has not changed, only its density has, the size and shape of its container is the only variable.
So now, if we compare the balloon containing 10lbs of Helium with a 10lb Iron weight, the balloon goes up and the Iron weight goes down, proving that the tendency for things to fall has NOTHING to do with mass, thus invalidating Newton and Einstein (Don't bother trying to argue this, I've stumped Astrophysicists, Particle Physicists and PhD students with that one)

4. There are no planes the fly over the "South Pole", no one has ever circumnavigated the "globe" North-to-South, those who have claimed to have done so are proved fraudulent when you examine their flight routes. Even those who say they have crossed the South Pole on foot such as Colin O'Brady, if you examine their routes and trace it on a flat earth map you'll find that all they did was walk a way inland then back out to a point a little way across the circumference such that Mr. O'Brady started his journey from Chile and flew directly back to Chile rather than via New Zealand.

5. I explain timezones here:
View: https://youtu.be/4QPNzMElKBo?t=311

The sun doesn't just rotate over the equator, it does a spiralling motion between the tropics, that is, it performs an epicycle with its center on the equator and its diameter is the distance between the tropics.

6. Again assumptions based on a myth that we somehow know what is "at the core" even though the most anyone has ever drilled into it is 8 miles. It is also well known that iron loses magnetism when it is heated (
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ZLqd3Px_8
) so please explain how a molten Iron core can produce a magnetic field.

7. How come when cranes are left inactive, their cables do not start swinging in accordance with the earths supposed motion, also explain the Allias Effect, where pendulums reverse during a solar eclipse. When you examine the pendulums used to illustrate the Foucault effect you will find that they are driven electromagnetically to keep them swinging... THEY DO NOT SWING ON THEIR OWN.

Now show us 7 proofs that the Earth is a ball.

 

[grav]

Now show us 7 proofs that the Earth is a ball

Outstanding deconstruction of that simple-minded list of heliocentric excuses.

But look at the effort it takes to clarify each point.
This is why Freemasonry works so well in the "real" world.
People understand words like "look" and "grab" -- and have no aptitude for critical thinking.

This situation is why we have Covid mandates and other nonsense that people accept, because the teevee does such a superb job of dumbing down the masses.
Your arguments are, unfortunately, based on logic and empirical evidence.

For example, the freemasons say that gravity is a force.
The offer no proof. Plenty of failures too, like clouds and smoke which defy gravity.
But to disprove it, by explaining specific gravity as the ratio of densities of particlesof adjacent substances .........
BORING.

Is it possible to break a lifetime of indoctrination, to un-do cognitive dissonance, to wake up the zombies who greatly outnumber us?
And who Trust Authority?
E=mc^2
Now that's cool. Total bs, but that's how we roll here in this damfool reality.

Sorry to be so negative this morning, but some days it's hard to see any way out of the current quagmire.

 

[Just]

Outstanding deconstruction of that simple-minded list of heliocentric excuses.

But look at the effort it takes to clarify each point.
This is why Freemasonry works so well in the "real" world.
People understand words like "look" and "grab" -- and have no aptitude for critical thinking.

This situation is why we have Covid mandates and other nonsense that people accept, because the teevee does such a superb job of dumbing down the masses.
Your arguments are, unfortunately, based on logic and empirical evidence.

For example, the freemasons say that gravity is a force.
The offer no proof. Plenty of failures too, like clouds and smoke which defy gravity.
But to disprove it, by explaining specific gravity as the ratio of densities of particlesof adjacent substances .........
BORING.

Is it possible to break a lifetime of indoctrination, to un-do cognitive dissonance, to wake up the zombies who greatly outnumber us?
And who Trust Authority?
E=mc^2
Now that's cool. Total bs, but that's how we roll here in this damfool reality.

Sorry to be so negative this morning, but some days it's hard to see any way out of the current quagmire.

The simplest proof that the earth is a globe would be to show an undoctored image from ‘space’ - not a composite, cut and paste job. It’s never been done. The earth to moon ratio is 1:4. Why did the images of the earth from the moon surface (allegedly) show a size comparable to the moon from earth image. 4 times bigger would look huge! And one of the first astronauts described earth as looking so small and remote from the moon. It really wouldn’t. This is what Michael Collins said about it:

"The Earth appears 'fragile,' above all else. I don't know why, but it does.
"As we walk its surface, it seems solid and substantial enough, almost infinite as it extends flatly in all direction. But from space there is no hint of ruggedness to it; smooth as a billiard ball, it seems delicately poised in its circular journey around the Sun, and above all it seems fragile." Mmm.

 

[FarewellAngelina]

This is what Michael Collins said about it:

"The Earth appears 'fragile,' above all else. I don't know why, but it does.
"As we walk its surface, it seems solid and substantial enough, almost infinite as it extends flatly in all direction. But from space there is no hint of ruggedness to it; smooth as a billiard ball, it seems delicately poised in its circular journey around the Sun, and above all it seems fragile." Mmm.

The guy didn't go to the moon . Learnt his lines and acted his part . Phtt.