Flat Earth

[Liberated Collective]

I am new to this forum and don't see an active thread on flat earth. Is there any interest in the topic?
SH's format is quite impressive. And imposing, to the point that navigating it is tricky for a simple mind like mine. Generic forums have become gross mockeries of their original designs, and so I am looking for a new home where I may spout my heresies, primarily the most basic hidden truth upon which all other distorted truths are based. The Infinite Plane of the Electric Universe.

My overall guesstimate of reality is a computer program which is crashed and rebooted every 300 years or so.

The gnostics may have had insights about our true history, starting with creation by an aeon named Sophia.
Who, if memory holds, became Gaia "in the flesh" so to speak.
I also respect ancient "myths" like that of Pyrrha and Deucalion, who threw rocks over their shoulders to repopulate the world after the Deluge. Rocks growing into organic beings? And vice versa. Nope, human beings are not imaginative enough to come up with such a crazy conspiracy theory.

What I know is we arent on a globe, I know the moon rotates 360 degrees over our head. Thing is, once one realizes the amount of deception going on to continue the ideology of a evolved man from chance, everything falls apart, same with the puppet show going on "in space". Now I am battling the lies of a paleontologist because of their denial of mud fossils being fossils when I have many obvious ones. smh. This realm is so decieved

 

[ClaudiusPtolemaeus]

Right. My bad. Sorry... should have wrote globe model, but I have seen this guy before. If you want to ban me, have at it. I will say I love this place and am in no way trying to disrespect what you have here.


Look, you come on here claiming to be some scientist with the top five freemason shell game arguments, while at the same time act as if you are clueless to this debate. So far, I don't believe you at all. Your response - or non-responses - to my actual questions tell the story.

I'll try again.

Does exposing the fact that our Earth is not a globe blows the whole thing wide open?

Were you able to distinguish from that video which was a sphere and which was not?

Did you look at time zones presented on a globe and also on Gleason's map/time calculator?

Your claim of constellations in our sky was clearly debunked, fair?

Polaris being visible, let alone several degrees above the horizon from 8 degrees south is impossible in your world, true?

Have you looked up the emergency landings?

And since you came on here claiming to be some scientist, how can you not see the obvious problem with flying a plane over the axis of rotation above a spinning rock (with attached atmosphere)?

And then you come back with some percentage of our budget instead of understanding that we could feed the world for far less than nasa's daily.

They are a fraud. they have done nothing.

Just RIDICULOUS... and a freemasonic talking point since, well, nasa!

So...

I'll give ya one more try... let's see if fair, fair?

Dude. I was literally raised an atheist and went through university and grad school in the sciences.

Forgive me if I'm not keeping up.

You've given me some interesting things to think about and research further, but your bad faith attacks and hostility do not encourage me to engage with you.

Thank you and be well.

 

[otl2021]

Dude. I was literally raised an atheist and went through university and grad school in the sciences.

Forgive me if I'm not keeping up.

You've given me some interesting things to think about and research further, but your bad faith attacks and hostility do not encourage me to engage with you.

Thank you and be well.

Dude, who mentioned atheism? And:

 

[Apollonius]

Dude, who mentioned atheism? And:
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You're not doing science, you just want to add meaning to your delusions.

These two flights make absolutely no sense on the Flat Earth map.

Because there is a distance of 11300 kilometers between Santiago and Sydney, and 5550 kilometers between New York and London. So it's twice the distance.

But since the southern hemisphere is distorted on the Flat Earth map, the distances and time between the southern hemisphere and the northern hemisphere sound ridiculous.

As can be seen here, the Santiago-Sydney flight on the Flat Earth map is supposed to take around 40 hours, whereas in reality it takes a 14-hour direct flight.

Also, the claim that "the surface of the water is ALWAYS flat" is nonsense.

Water has an upward meniscus, while mercury has a downward meniscus.

 

[Daniel]

Why would planes fly the curved route instead of the direct route of a straight line?
Edit: Plus, it has been demonstrated that airlines(or rather the ones who control their flight routes) have lied about flight paths.

 

[otl2021]

You're not doing science, you just want to add meaning to your delusions.

Hmmmm (possible pot/kettle situation)

The first flight that makes no sense to you:

As can be seen here, the Santiago-Sydney flight on the Flat Earth map is supposed to take around 40 hours...

Freemasons are all over the internet are posting these crazy lies. I recommend in addition to finally researching the emergency landings, both on a globe and on Gleason's, that you research jet streams on both as well.

40 hours is silly and your map with that crazy curved route makes no sense, but for someone trying to muddy the waters, let's say.

Every direct flight taken by passengers with compasses shows the same thing... and makes the beloved globe impossible.

Beyond that, this flight many times does not fly. Mechanical problems or even jet stream problems are known as many times this flight, when it actually leaves, will arrive hours late.

Beyond that, the vast majority of these flights, but for this flight and a couple others, ALL CONNECT SOMEWHERE NORTH OF THE EQUATOR!

But the best part? I challenge you right now to go use any flight tracking software you chose, and show us just one of these mythical flights from takeoff to landing.

Just one!

Your meniscus point is another freemason tactic to distract and waste peoples time. We are not talking about turned up edges in minute containers.

We are talking about large bodies of water. Left undisturbed, water will always lie flat on its surface.

This has been shown time and time again:

Again... think arc height over such distances... and think back to those funny mirrors at the fair that still make you giggle.

Research up... and be well.

 

[Apollonius]

Hmmmm (possible pot/kettle situation)

The first flight that makes no sense to you:
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Freemasons are all over the internet are posting these crazy lies. I recommend in addition to finally researching the emergency landings, both on a globe and on Gleason's, that you research jet streams on both as well.

40 hours is silly and your map with that crazy curved route makes no sense, but for someone trying to muddy the waters, let's say.

Every direct flight taken by passengers with compasses shows the same thing... and makes the beloved globe impossible.

Beyond that, this flight many times does not fly. Mechanical problems or even jet stream problems are known as many times this flight, when it actually leaves, will arrive hours late.

Beyond that, the vast majority of these flights, but for this flight and a couple others, ALL CONNECT SOMEWHERE NORTH OF THE EQUATOR!

But the best part? I challenge you right now to go use any flight tracking software you chose, and show us just one of these mythical flights from takeoff to landing.

Just one!

Your meniscus point is another freemason tactic to distract and waste peoples time. We are not talking about turned up edges in minute containers.

We are talking about large bodies of water. Left undisturbed, water will always lie flat on its surface.

This has been shown time and time again:
View attachment 19643
Again... think arc height over such distances... and think back to those funny mirrors at the fair that still make you giggle.

Research up... and be well.

Well, I'll ask you one last question: How does a lunar eclipse happen on Flat Earth?

 

[Gabriel]

Well, I'll ask you one last question: How does a lunar eclipse happen on Flat Earth?

If I might chime in, I have some points to raise, and I certainly wouldn't want to fall into the same situation that many do and cling to a new model, without any degree of certainty, falling into the same trap as before.

I don't think anyone has proven how a lunar eclipse happens. Several points related to the moon: 1- A selenelion is unexplained: when the sun and moon are both visible and 180 degrees apart during this lunar eclipse, which cannot be dismissed away by the explanation that it is a simple matter of light refraction. 2- The fortunate circumstance that the moon is the same apparent size as the sun. But is it? From my understanding the distance to the sun began as an estimate to fit the model, which is not the best way to conduct science. The same goes for the moon. 3 - The synchronized orbit and spin of the moon: Does it really spin once approximately every 27 days and orbit the Earth at the same time, such that nobody has seen the other side? 4 - Also there is no elliptical orbit, except it was proposed that the moon began to orbit when it was brought into proximity. ie., it fell into a circular orbit, despite not having the same mass. If it does not have the same mass, so then why wouldn't the orbit be elliptical like the Earth's? How long does it take to develop this pattern in orbit? I think all of these things are conjectural.

I will digress from your question for a bit: if the moon were observed through an unknown diffraction medium, such as solid oxygen (present at very cold temperatures) which is apparently blue and with magnetic properties (in the lab), how is it easier 100 years ago to speculate that there was an invisible layer of ions that reflect radiowaves and not a solid crystal? Only because of fear of ostracism I think.

 

[Jd755]

Sandokhan's Link and Post Collection

How does a lunar eclipse happen in the context of heliocentrism? Because no one can explain it.

I don't think anyone has proven how a lunar eclipse happens.

I have. Many years ago.

At the beginning of history there were NO solar/lunar eclipses. There were two suns: our present sun and the second sun (which is the present day moon). 24 hour daylight. Once Tiamat became the Black Sun and the Shadow Moon (Rahu and Ketu), that is when we had our first eclipses, and the second sun became the moon.

Edit Sorry forgot the quote tags.

 

[Apollonius]

Sandokhan's Link and Post Collection

How does a lunar eclipse happen in the context of heliocentrism? Because no one can explain it.

I don't think anyone has proven how a lunar eclipse happens.

I have. Many years ago.

At the beginning of history there were NO solar/lunar eclipses. There were two suns: our present sun and the second sun (which is the present day moon). 24 hour daylight. Once Tiamat became the Black Sun and the Shadow Moon (Rahu and Ketu), that is when we had our first eclipses, and the second sun became the moon.

There is no such thing as Rahu/Ketu.

 

[Jd755]

There is no such thing as Rahu/Ketu.

Not my words head over to sandokans thread and tell him that. Don't be lazy!

 

[otl2021]

Well, I'll ask you one last question: How does a lunar eclipse happen on Flat Earth?

Sure, but I have answered many and I really need to know how you can believe that airplanes, that are claimed to fly in our attached atmosphere, can fly over a "pole."

Can you help me here?

 

[Apollonius]

Not my words head over to sandokans thread and tell him that. Don't be lazy!

Is someone saying this by copy/pasting someone else's post?

Sure, but I have answered many and I really need to know how you can believe that airplanes, that are claimed to fly in our attached atmosphere, can fly over a "pole."

Can you help me here?

Even though you didn't answer my question, I'm answering your question.

There is a polar vortex and a magnetic mountain at the poles, so planes can't fly over the poles.

 

[Jd755]

Do keep up there.Sandokhan is sandboxed in his own thread so unless you go there you will never read his replies to stuff you post here. He is responding to you over there so buckle up and enjoy the ride, he takes no prisoners but he is really nice about it!

There is no such thing as Rahu/Ketu.

Then, by all means, explain the Allais effect.

Advanced Flat Earth Theory

Also, the claim that "the surface of the water is ALWAYS flat" is nonsense.

Explain how four trillion billion liters of water adhere to the outer surface of a sphere. Make my day, and invoke attractive gravitation.

 

[Apollonius]

Do keep up there.Sandokhan is sandboxed in his own thread so unless you go there you will never read his replies to stuff you post here. He is responding to you over there so buckle up and enjoy the ride, he takes no prisoners but he is really nice about it!

Thank you, I still choose to stay here.

 

[Jd755]

Thank you, I still choose to stay here.

Please yourself.

 

[GandalfTheGreen]

The biggest issue with "Flat Earth" is actual demonstration that the physical realm called "Earth" is indeed flat as proposed in any AE projection. It is widely known that there is no AE projection that matches the physical navigation of Earth; because each and every single version of "Flat" Earth requires 2 different sized tropics. One, larger in scale than the other. (By a massive amount as well) Just as you would expect a smaller inner diameter on a record, than you would from looking at the outside of the record.

That being said; Earth is physically navigated each and every day by all sorts of sea faring vessels. Fishermen, Merchant Ships, Shipping Container ships, Military vessels, You get the idea. Sailors have been navigating Earths' seas for hundreds of years; and their oldest tool of choice is Celestial Navigation.

So, I ask you; If sailors can use Celestial Navigation today to demonstrate that the Tropics are of equal sizes... and we know in reality that the tropics are equal sizes...

Why hasn't any "Flat Earther" in the last 6 years collaborated to conduct an expedition/cruise around the tropics? This would be quite the improvement over making false presumptions over what you "think" you see in the sky. Would surely be a better contribution to mankind rather than mucking it up with the likes of Logan Paul at the "Flat Earth Conferences"

There is no such thing as "Advanced Flat Earth Theory" While the tropics are navigated every day, and they are the same size.

Not only that; but just as the inside of a record moves faster than the outside of the record, The Luminaries above us would have to drastically increase and decrease in speed as they covered their transit over "Flat" Earth.

My greatest congratulations for those who have discovered the lie of Heliocentrism! This is a challenging thing to tackle! However, my greatest condolences to the cursory mind who gave up on reality in favor of theology.

 

[Apollonius]

The biggest issue with "Flat Earth" is actual demonstration that the physical realm called "Earth" is indeed flat as proposed in any AE projection. It is widely known that there is no AE projection that matches the physical navigation of Earth; because each and every single version of "Flat" Earth requires 2 different sized tropics. One, larger in scale than the other. (By a massive amount as well) Just as you would expect a smaller inner diameter on a record, than you would from looking at the outside of the record.

That being said; Earth is physically navigated each and every day by all sorts of sea faring vessels. Fishermen, Merchant Ships, Shipping Container ships, Military vessels, You get the idea. Sailors have been navigating Earths' seas for hundreds of years; and their oldest tool of choice is Celestial Navigation.

So, I ask you; If sailors can use Celestial Navigation today to demonstrate that the Tropics are of equal sizes... and we know in reality that the tropics are equal sizes...

Why hasn't any "Flat Earther" in the last 6 years collaborated to conduct an expedition/cruise around the tropics? This would be quite the improvement over making false presumptions over what you "think" you see in the sky. Would surely be a better contribution to mankind rather than mucking it up with the likes of Logan Paul at the "Flat Earth Conferences"

There is no such thing as "Advanced Flat Earth Theory" While the tropics are navigated every day, and they are the same size.

Not only that; but just as the inside of a record moves faster than the outside of the record, The Luminaries above us would have to drastically increase and decrease in speed as they covered their transit over "Flat" Earth.

My greatest congratulations for those who have discovered the lie of Heliocentrism! This is a challenging thing to tackle! However, my greatest condolences to the cursory mind who gave up on reality in favor of theology.

They keep changing the map, but they don't understand that the maps they use are actually projections of the Globe Earth.

Due to the distortions in the projections, a lot of errors occur. Constellations, flight paths and times, tropic distances etc.

 

[otl2021]

The biggest issue with "Flat Earth" is actual demonstration that the physical realm called "Earth" is indeed flat as proposed in any AE projection. It is widely known that there is no AE projection that matches the physical navigation of Earth; because each and every single version of "Flat" Earth requires 2 different sized tropics. One, larger in scale than the other. (By a massive amount as well) Just as you would expect a smaller inner diameter on a record, than you would from looking at the outside of the record.

That being said; Earth is physically navigated each and every day by all sorts of sea faring vessels. Fishermen, Merchant Ships, Shipping Container ships, Military vessels, You get the idea. Sailors have been navigating Earths' seas for hundreds of years; and their oldest tool of choice is Celestial Navigation.

So, I ask you; If sailors can use Celestial Navigation today to demonstrate that the Tropics are of equal sizes... and we know in reality that the tropics are equal sizes...

Why hasn't any "Flat Earther" in the last 6 years collaborated to conduct an expedition/cruise around the tropics? This would be quite the improvement over making false presumptions over what you "think" you see in the sky. Would surely be a better contribution to mankind rather than mucking it up with the likes of Logan Paul at the "Flat Earth Conferences"

There is no such thing as "Advanced Flat Earth Theory" While the tropics are navigated every day, and they are the same size.

Not only that; but just as the inside of a record moves faster than the outside of the record, The Luminaries above us would have to drastically increase and decrease in speed as they covered their transit over "Flat" Earth.

My greatest congratulations for those who have discovered the lie of Heliocentrism! This is a challenging thing to tackle! However, my greatest condolences to the cursory mind who gave up on reality in favor of theology.

Can you provide a single proof that 60 degrees north and 60 degrees south are anywhere near the same distance?

How about 45 north and south?

30 perhaps?

Thanks

Due to the distortions in the projections, a lot of errors occur. Constellations, flight paths and times, tropic distances etc.

I literally, just yesterday, showed you how wrong you were.

 

[Jd755]

Appollonius a question if I may make so bold.
You know the earth to have a shape which you know is a three dimensional ball. This seems to be a fair assessment based on your postings here in this thread.
So why do you come into this thread, is it to have a laugh, show off, ridicule or something else?

Genuinely interested.