Flat Earth
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If the ancient peoples were still together in a great empire, it would explain why they also had a world view. Nowadays there is also only one world view that is favored.
By the way @dreamtime had already once referred to the fact that the earth could have been flat in former times and could have changed later. I believe in it that the earth has changed.
Why must the earth be flat nowadays only because it was perhaps in former times ? In the biology a unicellular organism is also at the beginning rather disk-shaped until it changes later to a spherical concave/convex blastocyst and still later into a higher biological form. And even if the earth would have been a disc-shaped spaceship in former times, it could have received a new other form by some catastrophe from the outside.
Don't miss the point. It isn't that the earth must be flat nowadays only because it was perhaps in former time.
The point is that large bodies of standing water will never become concave or convex on their surface... ever.
And if you have been reading along, you would already know which maps our pilots use.
Here is another documented emergency landing, mapped on both the supposed globe and on Gleason's map of our known plane:
Yes?
The Earth does not move. It never has. The idea that Earth is a spaceship is a psyop... like the rest of the space-porn we find ourselves inundated with.
The Earth stands still while our stars do this:
And our "planets," once known as our wandering stars do this:
This is what we have observed throughout at least the time that men have looked to the sky.
And this simple, verifiable reality can never be explained by heliocentrism, let alone if we were to live on the inside of a sphere, magically stuck to the walls.
Woah! Those orbits look super cool! Is there an explanation or theory as to why they do that? What are the planets made of?
Those orbit are observations of the planetary orbits as viewed from the stationary earth . These epicycles (or mandela) , as they are known, were observed and tracked over time and led Tycho Brahe to form his geocentric model. A good introduction.
Life and Times of Tycho Brahe
Planets beyond Saturn were not known to him.
Don't know what they are made of but my telescopes tell me they are not spheres reflecting the suns' light.
Life and Times of Tycho Brahe
Planets beyond Saturn were not known to him.
Don't know what they are made of but my telescopes tell me they are not spheres reflecting the suns' light.
The pictures of the planets are pretty, but what are they? Others have said they represent the planets' orbits, how?
Are they a projection from above the plane of the ecliptic?
Or to ask a different way, how would I go about reproducing those diagrams?
Are they a projection from above the plane of the ecliptic?
Or to ask a different way, how would I go about reproducing those diagrams?
I think many of use as flat earth believers are doing it wrong. The problem is that flat earth theory is rather "new" in the sense to it has gained fame in the last few years. To have good arguments, is to have enough knowledge about it. However, if one is being blocked to go to the north pole or Antarctica, it is fishy to begin with. I mean i have read/watched about the dark sun, all we have is findings in the history, but we have no factual evidence to say...aha..here you go!..Why? Because we aren't allowed to go to the north pole to find it our selves. Besides this, we do not have billions and trillions of dollars to do these investigations.
However if i watch some flat earth-debunk videos, what is being used is the common narrative and thus driving many of use to debunk a spherical earth based on THEIR science. We cannot debunk their spherical earth, because we have not enough knowledge to explain our own theory. Flat earth believers do not say how the universe is, because we haven't even left the earth (ie glass ceiling). Could it be that other planets are spherical, but only earth as the land it self is flat? It could be, we do not know. Could it be that there is water above the glass ceiling? Well if we look at camera footage, it does look like it.
The best advice is to not argue with them. Why? They try to turn things around and make you debunk their theory. We come to the point that some things we cannot explain. Why? Because we do not have the knowledge how in reality it is with a flat earth. However this advice, i know that there are enough of flat earth believers, that burn inside to want to debate. I would advice you to turn things around. Let them debunk OUR findings. The deceit of NASA, the camera footage of the starts and planets, the freemasons and what until now has been unearthed about them and what they are doing and other satanic things going on with people in power etc. etc.. Let them try to debunk these things first. Flat earth will find its place automatically. If they say, why would they create such a great conspiracy. tell them.."you tell me", but if we look at the evidence it is clearly that they indeed are creating such great conspiracy. This makes much much much more sense. Sometimes to arrive at the truth another path needed to be taken. Arriving at the truth there is not only one way, there are multiple angles one can use to arrive at it.
However if i watch some flat earth-debunk videos, what is being used is the common narrative and thus driving many of use to debunk a spherical earth based on THEIR science. We cannot debunk their spherical earth, because we have not enough knowledge to explain our own theory. Flat earth believers do not say how the universe is, because we haven't even left the earth (ie glass ceiling). Could it be that other planets are spherical, but only earth as the land it self is flat? It could be, we do not know. Could it be that there is water above the glass ceiling? Well if we look at camera footage, it does look like it.
The best advice is to not argue with them. Why? They try to turn things around and make you debunk their theory. We come to the point that some things we cannot explain. Why? Because we do not have the knowledge how in reality it is with a flat earth. However this advice, i know that there are enough of flat earth believers, that burn inside to want to debate. I would advice you to turn things around. Let them debunk OUR findings. The deceit of NASA, the camera footage of the starts and planets, the freemasons and what until now has been unearthed about them and what they are doing and other satanic things going on with people in power etc. etc.. Let them try to debunk these things first. Flat earth will find its place automatically. If they say, why would they create such a great conspiracy. tell them.."you tell me", but if we look at the evidence it is clearly that they indeed are creating such great conspiracy. This makes much much much more sense. Sometimes to arrive at the truth another path needed to be taken. Arriving at the truth there is not only one way, there are multiple angles one can use to arrive at it.
Don't those regular epicycles in the orbits of all planets as seen from earth debunk the heliocentric model? That and the never changing starfield led Brahe to conclude that globe earth at the centre of his system must be stationary.
There is no scientific evidence for the heliocentric model that I'm aware of. The heliocentric model was introduced as being "nicer", not because of any new observation.
There is no scientific evidence for the heliocentric model that I'm aware of. The heliocentric model was introduced as being "nicer", not because of any new observation.
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I do not consider this thread as a person who believes in a spherical earth, because I have found my own earth theory.
I am only not so sure whether in this thread really people write who believe in flat earth or whether only people write here who want to divert necessarily from other alternative earth forms.
Since the flat earth topic became so popular a few years ago, I can't help but think of a psy-op. It seems to me that there is an organization that wants humanity to believe in a flat earth in the future. And I wonder why they want that. Maybe it has to do with the wearing of covid masks and the accompanying lack of oxygen. Maybe the humanity should become dumbed down and the concept of flat earth would be the only concept that people with oxygen deficiency could still easily understand and accept ?
I am only not so sure whether in this thread really people write who believe in flat earth or whether only people write here who want to divert necessarily from other alternative earth forms.
Since the flat earth topic became so popular a few years ago, I can't help but think of a psy-op. It seems to me that there is an organization that wants humanity to believe in a flat earth in the future. And I wonder why they want that. Maybe it has to do with the wearing of covid masks and the accompanying lack of oxygen. Maybe the humanity should become dumbed down and the concept of flat earth would be the only concept that people with oxygen deficiency could still easily understand and accept ?
That it could be a psy-op that could also be, who knows. However despite one believing in the flat earth, hollow earth or whatever. What binds us all, is that we all know that the current narrative of our history is full of lies or at least "victors decide what history is". I think because of this which binds us, we treat each other with respect, just how usually civilized people do and act. While in reality the media would make you hate me and me hating you just because we disagree on one thing.
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"I can't help but think of a psy-op." sometimes i have the same feeling.
It's almost more logical that we live in a concave earth (as weird it sounds) but many phenomena can be explained there. So far I haven't found any blatant contradictions with this concave earth model. I mean with contradictions; phenomena that are neither explained by the mainstream model of earth, nor in flat earth.
Yes that is true.
It's amazing, how the well-known world view is pulled away under your feet, once you start investigating.
Of course, for those who started with this awakening, after Eric Dubai's publications, which made legitimate criticism of the current worldview accessible to everyone, the first obvious solution (that we live on a flat earth) was the most welcome. It is very easy to have something explained to you on an silver tablet, and not to invest much energy in research.
It is a mammoth task for each individual, although very few will be able to keep on track and to keep a clear mind during all their own research.Just the untruths, partial truths, delusions, cover-ups and erasures of historical events is breathtaking enough.
Beeing honest...who has enough time to deal with all these topics in detail and then also to question the general perception of the nature of our world? It costs energy and time. Both is very limited available for the individuals.
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Great read guys. My two pennies. We have been lied to for eons. Why believe anything the MSM say ever again?
I do not know the shape of our realm. What I do know its not the heliocentric version that our so called masters shove down our throat from birth.
I do not know the shape of our realm. What I do know its not the heliocentric version that our so called masters shove down our throat from birth.
Before the time we worked for money, people would work in the fields. Their bodies would do the work, their minds would ponder over things, it would digest the things he had heard multiple times over again, before concluding if what he heard or seen is true.
Then came the time that people would work for money. The husband would work, his body would work in a factory, but his mind would still ponder to a certain extend about what he had heard/seen and come up with his own conclusion. What he worked for, he could provide himself and his whole family. The woman until then still had you could say, an easy life when it came to prevent her mind being busy with nonsense. Then came the age that she also had to work just so she and her husband could have a enough money.
Now we are at the age of what you said, "Who has enough time to deal with all these topics in detail.....". As if it was made by design so we would not think for ourselves, just because we don't have enough time for it. Many people when they get off from work, they fill their minds with posion called tv. If that is not the case, they blindly wander with countless catvideos on youtube. If that is not the case, fake news is keeping them in a cage not providing any source or evidence for their fake news article. Just narrative. I am rather alone in my circles when it comes to reading things, questioning things etc. while others in my circles are too busy with their children, wives/girlfriends, trying to get rich.
I am in IT and things have even turned. The technology in the past 2-3 years doesn't even exist anymore. Why? Because everything is in the so called cloud. The applications one needs to approach you must use a webbrowser, thus every update of the application is automatically pushed. You as a system administrator don't have a say in it anymore. Thus as an IT person i keep going back to learn the basics, because the basics they are just changing for really no good reason. I say often its change because of changing, not because of innovation. With this you will NEVER become an expert in your field, because you keep going back to the basics. They rob you of your time and prevent you from having time to spare and investigate.
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Please explain how we stick to the interior of a sphere, while knowing full well that we are standing vertically.
Please explain why the surface of standing water never becomes concave.
Please explain how horizons NEVER appear above eye-level, when viewed at 90 degrees from any altitude, parallel with our ground.
Where is Polaris?
Your opinions are all good, but as you requested of another:
Okay good, but contribute something good please
Please explain how these drawings are produced, what are we looking at here?
I assume this is a projection of the planets from above the plane of the ecliptic?
Please talk me through the process by which you observe the planets in the sky and convert that information into these drawings?
We simply track the movements of the lights in the sky, directly above our plane, that you believe are planets.
There is no ecliptic or great circles as I have already shown.
That is pure fantasy that requires us to be living on the outside of a spinning-water/gas/rock.
See above... quite simple... was done long before the telescope...
The ecliptic is the plane in which the planets orbit the sun. The Earth's spin is at an angle to that.
So the ecliptic is the plane on which those diagrams are drawn.
If you look directly at the planets in the sky, they do not describe the motions illustrated in the pictures. Since the plants are all moving in the same plane, and we are in that plane too, they appear to describe linear trajectories, oscillating side to side.
So the ecliptic is the plane on which those diagrams are drawn.
If you look directly at the planets in the sky, they do not describe the motions illustrated in the pictures. Since the plants are all moving in the same plane, and we are in that plane too, they appear to describe linear trajectories, oscillating side to side.
All that is provable hogwash... and based in lies.
What we see is real. What they say is not.
Those perfectly symmetrical patterns is simply what happens right above us, right around Polaris, just like our stars.
You have been what freemasons call hoodwinked.
