Flat Earth

[Liberated Collective]

I don't understand what you mean by shadows on the Moon? As far as I can see the way the Moon looks changes all the time and I have no way of knowing if that's due to atmospheric conditions or the Moon itself.

The moon doesnt change my friend, not throughout an evening,... each phase changes some shadows, but within each phase shadows stay exactly the same no matter where in relation to sun it is. thats what I am saying. The shadows don't change within each phaSE, it simply rotates overhead.

 

[Quiahuitl]

The moon doesnt change my friend, not throughout an evening,... each phase changes some shadows, but within each phase shadows stay exactly the same no matter where in relation to sun it is. thats what I am saying. The shadows don't change within each phaSE, it simply rotates overhead.

OK.

So do you think the Moon's face rotates once every 24 hours? Corresponding to 15 degrees of rotation per hour?

 

[Liberated Collective]

OK.

So do you think the Moon's face rotates once every 24 hours? Corresponding to 15 degrees of rotation per hour?

Well, its not a perfect 15 or 24, because of the problem I already mentioned, the moon lags slightly, but its very close yes. For informational purposes: Not technically. For Practical Purposes: Yes.

 

[otl2021]

The Copernican model explains why the face of the Moon appears to rotate with the passage of time.

This sketch shows the spherical Earth with the North pole at the top. The stick figure is at latitude 51 degrees (
London). Assuming you could be hovering in space at a point in line with the equator, then this is what you would see during a twelve hour period. You can see that the stick figure has rotated by 78 degrees. 2 x (90-51) = 78

So the Copernican model predicts that someone observing the Moon over a twelve hour period from latitude 51 (London) would see the Moon rotate by 78 degrees.

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The Copernican model also predicts that the rate of rotation of the Moon's face would not be consistent throughout the night. The Moon would appear to rotate faster in the middle of the night and slower at either end of the night.

Furthermore the Copernican model predicts that the Moon's face would not appear to rotate at all if you were at latitude zero, on the equator.

Liberated Collective has suggested that the Moon's face should rotate the same speed as the hour hand on a clock, performing one complete rotation every 24 hours. I'm assuming on a flat disk model of the Earth this also means the rate of rotation of the Moon's face would be the same at every point on the Earth.

So we can test the models by measuring the rate of rotation of the Moon's face at different latitudes. If it appears to rotate at the same rate at all latitudes, that would support the flat disk model. If it rotates at different speeds at different latitudes that would support the Copernican model.

The Copernican model is stupid. It makes no sense. It has been falsified several times in several ways since they first tried it.

And I cannot fathom how you are still coming on here with the spinning spheres stuff. Why? If you have proof spinning balls exist, that's one thing. But, pretending they do to support your belief system should be done in private.
Jmpo.

 

[Quiahuitl]

The Copernican model is stupid. It makes no sense. It has been falsified several times in several ways since they first tried it.

And I cannot fathom how you are still coming on here with the spinning spheres stuff. Why? If you have proof spinning balls exist, that's one thing. But, pretending they do to support your belief system should be done in private.
Jmpo.

Please read my posts more carefully before responding,

 

[grav]

The moon's rotation still stumps me.
If it is embedded in the dome, why would it move at all? especially is we accept the theory that the moon is a reflection of the infinite plane.

This idea assumes a single dome. That is, a physical layer in which stars are fixed.
The free ranging lights that are called planets move independently of the other luminaries. Does each one have its own "dome" or does it move in another fashion -- electrically?
The 7 heavens of legend may refer to multiple structures and, of course, the proverbial glass ceiling.

You would think that photographic evidence would be all over the internet, whether videos or animated gifs of 24 hours of lunar rotation. Wrong.
Almost every search I've made results in silly cartoons or horizontal rotations, which of course are flimflams perpetrated by Nasa operatives.



Edit: I neglected to say that I think it's possible for stars, planets, and the sun to have their own circuits of passage inside the dome.
Kind of like a highway with multiple lanes with varying speed limits and directions, tunnels, overpasses, and off-ramps.

 

[Daniel]

Neither the Earth nor the Moon can be moving at a constant speed. If the Sun, Earth and Moon are all moving, and the Earth revolves around the Sun, and the Moon revolves around the Earth

then the Earth has to be moving faster than the Sun, and the Moon has to be moving faster than the Earth.
Plus, in order to have Earth days of 24 hours, Earth years of 365.25 days, and exact lunar cycles, both the Earth and the Moon would need to speed up and slow down their movements accordingly, while both always keeping ahead of the Sun.

 

[grav]

Neither the Earth nor the Moon can be moving at a constant speed. If the Sun, Earth and Moon are all moving, and the Earth revolves around the Sun, and the Moon revolves around the Earth

then the Earth has to be moving faster than the Sun, and the Moon has to be moving faster than the Earth.
Plus, in order to have Earth days of 24 hours, Earth years of 365.25 days, and exact lunar cycles, both the Earth and the Moon would need to speed up and slow down their movements accordingly, while both always keeping ahead of the Sun.

I think you posted before I finished editing my earlier comments about my multiple confusions.
Years ago a flat earth team mapped the sun's location over a year by plotting its position at the exact same time of day.
This is its map.

After a half century, people still think man went to the moon.
in this,




the lunar module that 2 astro-nots lived in.
It also, as you remember, rockets up, up, and off the moon
to return the brave spacemen to the rocket ship and their home planet.



Wiki:
"Main article: Apollo 11

Eagle was launched with command module Columbia on July 16, 1969 atop a Saturn V launch vehicle from Launch Complex 39A, and entered Earth orbit 12 minutes later.

Eagle entered lunar orbit on July 19, 1969. On July 20, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin entered into the LM and separated it from Command module Columbia.

Eagle was landed at 20:17:40 UTC on July 20, 1969 with 216 pounds (98 kg) of usable fuel remaining.

After the lunar surface operations, Armstrong and Aldrin returned to the Lunar Module Eagle on July 21, 1969.

At 17:54:00 UTC, they lifted off in Eagle's ascent stage to rejoin Michael Collins aboard Columbia in lunar orbit.

After the crew re-boarded Columbia, the Eagle was abandoned in lunar orbit. Although its ultimate fate remains unknown, some calculations by the physicist James Meador published in 2021 showed that Eagle could theoretically still be in lunar orbit.[3]"

 

[inthefade]

Years ago a flat earth team mapped the sun's location over a year by plotting its position at the exact same time of day.
This is its map.

Can you post the video/site for this team? I am interested in the process. Thank you.

 

[Septimus]

You would think that photographic evidence would be all over the internet, whether videos or animated gifs of 24 hours of lunar rotation. Wrong.

It is incredulous that NASA has done zero photographic work of this kind in the last seven years since Flat Earth theory exploded. What have they been doing since then? Wouldn't it prove how great exercisers of science they are if they took timelapse photos of the sun and moon from cities across the "globe" and display them side-by-side?

Certainly the trillions they steal from taxpayer dollars would cover such a small endeavor. But no, their scientists are too good for the scientific method, and they rather pay off Youtube influencers to tell everyone how stupid flat earthers are.

I don't know why people are still debating this topic on the forum when there are mountains of evidence against the heliocentric theory. The work has been done already for you. Do you need CNN and FOX to tell you that NASA is lying before you believe? We should be spending our time documenting astrological movements all over the world throughout the year as well as charting trips to the alleged ice wall.

 

[otl2021]

You would think that photographic evidence would be all over the internet, whether videos or animated gifs of 24 hours of lunar rotation.

LOL at rotating spheres and they really need to point one their satellites at some road in Auckland and show us this....

 

[grav]

Can you post the video/site for this team? I am interested in the process. Thank you.

I haven't been able to find that video in many years.
Dr. Zach, later DecimalZ, and the FECORE team plotted the sun's position every day on a software program.
The team moved on to new projects, principally laser experiments.

2 comments/opinions
1. FE YTers are breaking no new ground. I am subscribed to dozens of FE channels and almost never see one worth watching.
2. Google and other search engines have erased much evidence that was easily accessible from 2015 to around 2019. Then, the NWO sent agents to disrupt the flow of knowledge.
Flat Earth is, without a doubt, the most censored topic on the internet.

 

[Akanah]

A clear argument against a spherical earth is the strange pattern of thinking of the natural scientific people to have to imprint a spherical shape on all objects which are too small to recognize them in the microscope or which are too big to recognize them in the whole. Everything what exists between these size scales has mostly a biological form.

 

[grav]

The Atom theory is the same lame construct as the solar system -- a shiny central ball around which other balls orbit. Not unlike moths which fly around the night light on Grandma's back porch.

For proof of dancing balls of atoms and planets we have _______?.... zero.
zilch. nada. animated cartoons by government stooges pretending to be real scientists.

I used to get a kick out of watching Nathan Thompson ambush space physicists and ask them to explain air pressure inside a vacuum.
He still has a YT channel, but..but..tptb did to his videos what Hillary did to her emails.


View: https://youtu.be/cHBSd18nIuw

 

[Akanah]

The Atom theory is the same lame construct as the solar system -- a shiny central ball around which other balls orbit. Not unlike moths which fly around the night light on Grandma's back porch.

For proof of dancing balls of atoms and planets we have _______?.... zero.
zilch. nada. animated cartoons by government stooges pretending to be real scientists.

I used to get a kick out of watching Nathan Thompson ambush space physicists and ask them to explain air pressure inside a vacuum.
He still has a YT channel, but..but..tptb did to his videos what Hillary did to her emails.


View: https://youtu.be/cHBSd18nIuw

That's sad and funny at the same time. At school, we were able to watch a foam-negro-kiss being pulled apart in a vacuum bell jar.
I had also wondered how planets could float around in a vacuum without having to expand to the edge of the universe. A vacuum just doesn't make sense. The Thunderbolts Project people believe in a plasma space instead of a vacuum. I myself believe in a water and air space.

 

[grav]

The Thunderbolts straddle the truth by pretending to support the space bs.
They don't want to be seen as nutty heretics, and so they try to nudge consensus closer to the plasma aether. I agree with you about the waters above our air space.

Another forum reminded me today about the Schumann Resonance.
Space Observing System | Данные комплексного мониторинга в г.Томске
Here is the latest.


My point:
Earth is a closed system, a saltwater battery.
"Flat Earth" is actually the accretion disk (Infinite plane) inside the electric torus field of the universe.
It has a natural frequency that was well-understood, and protected, before the last reset.

Around a century ago, the Schumann Resonance was intentionally corrupted, in my opinion, as a way to keep the sheeple sickly and stupid.
The human collaborators who aid and abet the current agenda will also inherit the electric winds of trouble.

 

[Quiahuitl]

Cycles of the Moon - introduction for beginners

(I count myself as a beginner)

1) The Phases of the Moon; also called the Lunar Synodic Cycle. Takes around 29.5 days. Defined as the time from the same phase to the next occurrence of the same phase as seen from Earth.

2) The Anomalistic cycle - the Moon appears bigger and smaller. The Copernican model says it gets closer and further away. This cycle take around a month too, but not exactly the same as the Synodic cycle. You might see a large New Moon one month, followed by a tiny Full Moon the same month; a few months later you might be seeing large Gibbous moons and the other phases smaller; a few months later still you have a month with a tiny New Moon followed by a huge Full Moon. I think it takes a few years for this to work all the way round.

3) The Draconic Cycle - the Moon appears higher and lower in the Sky (as viewed from Northern latitudes). This is described in the Copernican model as behaving a lot like a plate spinning on a table, at the point where the raised edge is only an inch or so off the table. This is also a cycle of around a month, so if the New Moon is high in the Sky, the Full Moon must be low and vice versa. After several months you would notice the Gibbous moon high in the Sky, then eventually the Full Moon highest. I'm not sure how long this takes to go round a full loop, my best guess is a few years.

4) The Cycle of Saros is exactly 223 synodic months, i.e. 223 times the well-known Phases of the Moon.
You can accurately predict eclipses with this. Every Solar and/or Lunar eclipse will occur again exactly 223 synodic months into the future. That's 18 x 12 synodic months plus 7.

It's the only number in any of the Moon's cycles I am aware of which is exactly a whole (integer) number.

Saros (astronomy) - Wikipedia



This image presented by Grav is said to be a map of the Moon's movements over a flat plane.

This is a CGI. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying it is literally a Computer Generated Image.

As you say, the trick would be to get lots of people all over the Earth to take accurate measurements of the position size phase and orientation of the Moon at the same time from different positions, and amass all that data together.

 

[grav]

Not the moon. The sun.

Memory fails, but I thought it would have been possible to plot the sun's position from one location, similar to how the analemma is observed fom a single observation post.
Of course it is a cgi product.

It represents the sun's path over a year as it traverses inside the dome.

 

[Akanah]

Yesterday I watched the new documentary about Elon Musk's Spaxe X called "Return to space".
I had the impression that in reality the astronauts would not have flown up 400 km above the earth, because small lakes on the earth could still be seen clearly. Probably the ISS is only a maximum of 50 km or so above the earth and they actually represent the curvature of the earth with a fisheye lens so that it is not noticeable. So I mean that the astronauts are still in such a deep atmospheric layer that you can't see a cocave or convex curvature of the Earth yet, if necessary. In my opinion, the Earth is probably just way too big for the astronauts to really get very far, and I doubt the feasibility of Elon Musk's Mars mission.
And then they showed again videos of the Apollo mission where I had to smile about the fact that the astronauts on the moon were translucent like holograms.

 

[grav]

Probably the ISS is only a maximum of 50 km or so above the earth

Probably the ISS is a movie studio in Star City, Moscow.

or a movie set in Houston.
but.
. a solar-powered tin can vrooming around at 17,000 mph in a complete vacuum?

not

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The following post is (should be) separate from the one above.
A formatting flaw, in my opinion. If I wanted to edit a previous post, I would do so.
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View: https://youtu.be/NxYs7-dYnPU


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How I Measured the Distance to the Celestial Dome

Apr 10, 2022
Increasing the positional and angular accuracy with a theodolite has revealed a most shocking truth.
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This YTer is known for his infrared photography of targets at very long range. Infrared lenses removes refraction from atmospheric clutter.
In this video he triangulates the distance to the dome.
3943 miles, which is 16 miles off the radius of the globe.
That figure does not measure the thickness of the total firmament.
Space, the Final Frontier, starts at the Karman line, ~ 62 mile
Can we interpret that claim as a clue? since the Nasa freemasons pride themselves on their sharing the true truth, somewhere in the haystack of fake facts of science.

Let's ask the Google: how many heavens are there?

https://climate.nasa.gov › news › earths-atmosphere-a-...

Search for: How many layers of atmosphere are there?

What are the 7 layers of atmosphere?

The 7 Layers in Order

Exosphere.
Ionosphere.
Thermosphere.
Mesosphere.
Ozone Layer.
Stratosphere.
Troposphere.
Earth's Surface.


The 7 Layers the Earth's Atmosphere by Hailey Hammonds - Prezi