Flat Earth

Assuming a small ring laser gyroscope is produced, how is rotation detected? Can you break down exactly how this device is used? How does a math formula translate to an actual verifiable experiment? You say Sagnac detects rotation, but do not explain HOW that rotation is detected. Please clarify.

I already did (explanation/formulas) in my previous message.

However, I am going to answer your request with something even better: a whole thread on ring laser gyroscopes, everything you asked for, one of the best ever, which nearly put an end to the FES:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=50860.0
Here is also the thread on beam neutrinos, considered to be the best:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=27426.0
 
I've watched the river video a couple of times and after marvelling at the way the plate is stable I began to wonder what force is pushing on the plate to keep it floating in the magnetism. Its also pushing down on the electromagnets but I cannot figure out how this force is unable to prevent the magnetism from sitting above the magnets but is strong enough to keep it at an inch or so off of them and most weirdly of all keep the magnet runway in place on the floor.
All that comes to mind is whatever is pushing is pushing down onto these things and through them. Density seems to play a big part in this and the magnetism doesn't have any visible effect on the majority of man made materials.

Of course the round ball theory makes the earth ball into a magnet so in that scenario all magnetic experiments take place with a toroidal shaped magnetic field which somehow has no effect on the levitation demonstration. He actually does a video where he attempts to replicate a spinning ping pong ball in a jet of water using electromagnets and an aluminium ball.
He uses a roller on a pencil to reveal which direction the magnetism is travelling. Another head scratcher as these experiments require electricity to function and other than man made machines I struggle to see where in reality sufficient electrical power exists to achieve the same effects as Eric does.

As for the tides my money is on some manner of breathing type movement where capillaries provide the pressure differential in the same way they create blood pressure in our bodies liquid transport system.
Don't know for sure obviously, but it isn't the bloody moon pulling on the waters surface.
 
Thats a great video, Barry the assistant has an epic comb-over and iI should imagine a pack of hamlet cigars tucked in his blazer pocket, ah they don't make em like that any more!
That's the best thing I have seen in this thread so far !
 
Does anyone else feel that the flat Earth (and thus no space) is not as big of a red pill to swallow than wrong history? Sure, it’s huge, but it’s easier to assimilate because it doesn’t affect the meaning of who we are and our identity as the latter. Every event that is happening today we are conditioned to put in the historical context, such as saying things like ”this is exactly ehat happened in WWII” or ”this is just like Edison’s inventing the light bulb.” Or we ask ourselves: ”what would abcient Greeks or Romans say about this?” and so on, and so on. I find myself now unable to say ANYTHING, unable to historicise, contextualize and thus understand the meaning of anything. Compared to this, flat Earth can hardly phase me. Just a thought...
 
Magnetricity

Electricity = Magnetism - both consist of subquark flow, one in a conductor, the other in space

This flow is made up of TWO currents, of opposing spin, traveling in double torsion fashion: the dextrorotatory subquarks and the laevorotatory subquarks.

Magnetic monopoles = subquarks

Wayback Machine (Dr. Stephen Phillips, Cambridge, UCLA)


PRECISE, REAL TIME, PHOTOGRAPHS OF ELECTRICAL CURRENTS, THE DOUBLE VORTEX/SPIN/STRINGS AT WORK:

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SPINTRONICS, secret world of magnets, the most thorough work on the double helix theory of the magnetic field (double helix of the telluric currents):

http://freenrg.info/Misc/The_Secret_World_Of_Magnets.pdf

HERE IS HOW THE FLOW OF SUBQUARKS OCCURS IN A MAGNET:

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Not only North-Center-South laevorotatory subquarks, but ALSO a South-Center-North flow of dextrorotatory subquarks/magnetic monopoles.

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Absolute proof of the existence of subquarks:


Wayback Machine (Dr. Stephen Phillips, UCLA, Cambridge)


Advanced Flat Earth Theory (two consecutive messages)

Electrogravitational field:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2000525#msg2000525
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2009680#msg2009680
 
Does anyone else feel that the flat Earth (and thus no space) is not as big of a red pill to swallow than wrong history?
No.
Because with a little investment of time and/or resources, every one can come up with an experiment to prove his hypothesis.
That would be the scientific method.
History OTOH, is purely theoretical.
 
Flat earth theory is a subset of the new radical chronology of history. If the Earth is flat, history must be much, much shorter. That is why the RLG proof/formula is so important. Conversely, if history is much shorter, the Earth is flat (see the submerged Gizeh pyramid proof).
 
Thats a great video, Barry the assistant has an epic comb-over and iI should imagine a pack of hamlet cigars tucked in his blazer pocket, ah they don't make em like that any more!
That's the best thing I have seen in this thread so far !
Oh I don't know you could always press the ignore thread button. Saves one a lot of time and effort.

To answer blue ice.
For me they are part and parcel of each other. History as it is told is basically a description of the power vested in hierarchical authority with the highest level being the authority of heaven and hell or the realm of the gods out there above everything earth bound looking down, always looking down, on the pitiful humanity.
The authority cult invents theories of history, official and alternative and the earth shape nonsense along with many others, using them to blind people into subjugating what their senses tell them, what their innate knowing tells them and specifically tangible history as in landscape, infrastructure buildings in the physical reality of where we live all told in relation to the ball earth theory being portrayed as truth.
I feel this is done to hide an actual truth that the cult people don't know much more, if anything, than we do. It derives its position from their pretending to know. Hence they weave smoke into tales of yore and we get hooked.
 
Hello,
I was wondering if anyone watched the latest Spacex unmanned flight test explosion.
If you notice when the rocket lands/explodes, there is distinctly 2 different rockets
and launch pads. Why is the fakery so obvious? Elon did say it looks fake, that's how you know
its real. Absurd.

thanks,
cnut

No one notices. I never saw it on teevee, which is all faux Covid and kraken news now.
The whole rocket thing looked so fake. All these backasswards landings on barges and yuuge explosions just boggle the mind. Musk gets tax money to make really bad rocket missions. Don't forget: he also got a contract to install a million 5g millimeter-wave transmitters. But he's sooooo photogenic I guess.
Anyway, if the Bill Gates vaccines don't get ya, Elon's microwave radiation will.

New topic: Godlike Productions still has the occasional flat earth thread.
Below is its string of quotations with no link. It is not new. There is also a site, redice maybe, with similar quotations about why the moon must be an observational error. I'll find it and make a new post.
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Re: If the earth is spinning around a sun that's moving through a galaxy that's also moving through space then....

"I have come to believe that the motion of the Earth cannot be detected by any optical experiment."- Physicist, Albert Einstein

"...to the question whether or not the motion of the Earth in space can be made perceptible in terrestrial experiments. We have already remarked...that all attempts of this nature led to a negative result. Before the theory of relativity was put forward, it was difficult to become reconciled to this negative result."- Physicist, Albert Einstein

"Briefly, everything occurs as if the Earth were at rest..."- Physicist, Henrick Lorentz

"There was just one alternative; the earth's true velocity through space might happen to have been nil."- Physicist, Arthur Eddington

"The failure of the many attempts to measure terrestrially any effects of the earth's motion..."- Physicist, Wolfgang Pauli

"We do not have and cannot have any means of discovering whether or not we are carried along in a uniform motion of translation."- Physicist, Henri Poincaré

"A great deal of research has been carried out concerning the influence of the Earth's movement. The results were always negative."- Physicist, Henri Poincaré

"This conclusion directly contradicts the explanation...which presupposes that the Earth moves."- Physicist, Albert Michelson

"The data [of Michelson-Morley] were almost unbelievable...There was only one other possible conclusion to draw — that the Earth was at rest."- Physicist, Bernard Jaffe

"We can't feel our motion through space, nor has any physical experiment ever proved that the Earth actually is in motion."- Historian, Lincoln Barnett

"Thus, even now, three and a half centuries after Galileo...it is still remarkably difficult to say categorically whether the earth moves..."- Physicist, Julian B. Barbour

"There is no planetary observation by which we on Earth can prove that the Earth is moving in an orbit around the sun."- Physicist, I. Bernard Cohen
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Why can't I post a link? My limit is 0??
This does come from Red Ice, The Moon is an Observational Error.


Here is a collection of interesting quotes from scientists, authors, researchers, NASA insiders and star-gazers relating to the enigmatic and often inexplicable nature of the moon:

Isaac Asimov,
American author and professor of biochemistry at Boston University and Science Fiction writer. Asimov was one of the most prolific writers of all time.

"We cannot help but come to the conclusion that the Moon by rights ought not to be there. The fact that it is, is one of the strokes of luck almost too good to accept… Small planets, such as Earth, with weak gravitational fields, might well lack satellites… … In general then, when a planet does have satellites, those satellites are much smaller than the planet itself. Therefore, even if the Earth has a satellite, there would be every reason to suspect… that at best it would be a tiny world, perhaps 30 miles in diameter. But that is not so. Earth not only has a satellite, but it is a giant satellite, 2160 miles in diameter. How is it then, that tiny Earth has one? Amazing."

"The Moon, which has no atmosphere and no magnetic field, is basically a freak of nature"

Irwin Shapiro,
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics

“The best possible explanation for the Moon is observational error – the Moon doesn’t exist.’

"The Moon is bigger than it should be, apparently older than it should be and much lighter in mass than it should be. It occupies an unlikely orbit and is so extraordinary that all existing explanations for its presence are fraught with difficulties are none of them could be considered remotely watertight."

Christopher Knight and Alan Bulter
Book: Who Built the Moon?

The Moon has astonishing synchronicity with the Sun. When the Sun is at its lowest and weakest in mid-winter, the Moon is at its highest and brightest, and the reverse occurs in mid-summer. Both set at the same point on the horizon at the equinoxes and at the opposite point at the solstices. What are the chances that the Moon would naturally find an orbit so perfect that it would cover the Sun at an eclipse and appear from Earth to be the same size? What are chances that the alignments would be so perfect at the equinoxes and solstices?

Farouk El Baz,
NASA

"If water vapour is coming from the Moon’s interior is this serious. It means that there is a drastic distinction between the different phases of the lunar interior – that the interior is quite different from what we have seen on the surface."

Mikhail Vasin, Alexander Shcherbakov,
Societ Academy of Sciences, 1970.

"Is the moon a creation of an alien intelligence?"

Dr Harold Urey,
Nobel Prize for Chemistry

"I’m terribly puzzled by the rocks from the Moon and in particular of their titanium content."

Dr S Ross Taylor,
Geochemist of lunar chemical analysis,

Said the problem was that maria plains the size of Texas had to be covered with melted rock containing fluid titanium. He said you would not expect titanium ever to be hot enough to do that, even on Earth, and no one has ever suggested that the Moon was hotter than the Earth.

"What could distribute titanium in this way? Highly advanced technology developed and operated by entities that are immensely more technologically advance than humans."

Dr. Gordon MacDonald,
NASA

"it would seem that the Moon is more like a hollow than a homogenous sphere’. He surmised that the data must have been wrong – but it wasn’t."

Carl Sagan,
Cosmologist,

"A natural satellite cannot be a hollow object."

Dr. Sean C Solomon,
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

"The Lunar Orbiter experiments had vastly improved knowledge of the Moon’s gravitational field and indicated the frightening possibility that the Moon might be hollow."

University of Arizona Lon Hood
"We knew that the Moon’s core was small, but we didn’t know it was this small… This really does add weight to the idea that the Moon’s origin is unique, unlike any other terrestrial body."

NASA scientists
The Apollo 12 mission to the Moon in November 1969 set up seismometers and then intentionally crashed the Lunar Module causing an impact equivalent to one ton of TNT. The shockwaves built up for eight minutes, and NASA scientists said the Moon ‘rang like a bell.

Maurice Ewing,
American geophysicist and oceanographer

"As for the meaning of it, I’d rather not make an interpretation right now, but it is as though someone had struck a bell, say, in the belfry of the a church a single blow and found that the reverberation from it continued for 30 minutes."

Ken Johnson,
Supervisor of the Data and Photo Control department during the Apollo missions

"The Moon not only rang like a bell, but the whole Moon wobbled in such a precise way that it was almost as though it had gigantic hydraulic damper struts inside it."

Moon rocks have been found to contain processed metals, including brass and mica, and the elements Uranium 236 and Neptunium 237 that have never been found to occur naturally.

Dr. D L Anderson,
Professor of geophysics and director of the seismological laboratory,
California Institute of Technology


"The Moon is made inside out and that its inner and outer compositions should be the other way around."

Dr. Robin Brett,
NASA Scientist

"It seems much easier to explain the nonexistence of the moon than its existence."
 
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And the most viewed thread on stolenhistory.net is... Flat Earth.

Well then let's not disappoint our spectators and keep the content coming. :)

Jokes aside, I found an old video by a guy called Curious Life whose channel was deleted in one of YT's purges. I found only 2 references to him from the archive and neither was this video so I'm posting it here. This is from his new channel where unfortunately most of his old content is not up.

Its about the history of sci-fi programming upon the masses. I always liked his channel as he is intelligent, does good research and presents it well. Enjoy.

1600-1900 Space Programming


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPKe4kwVhOk
 
Hello,
The flat earth threads have been the most viewed threads for over 6 years now.
The idea of an alternate earth shape is not new.
Around 2015, a group of serious thinkers posited a number of proofs
that contested the mainstream science views about the earth we stand on.
Since then, a number of truthers have carried the torch of truth.
We know we don't live on a ball,
spinning 1000 mph,
orbiting the sun at 66,600 mph,
as the sun travels really fast.
We know the flat earth society is complete disinformation.
We have an advocate of said sight claiming a ring laser doodad
proves the rotation of the earth.
So the flat earth society is proving the globe now?
Inversion much?
This topic will continue to be the most viewed, because it contains
the most truth.
Thank you grav for your tenacity!

peace,
cnut
 
Hello,
The flat earth threads have been the most viewed threads for over 6 years now.
The idea of an alternate earth shape is not new.
Around 2015, a group of serious thinkers posited a number of proofs
that contested the mainstream science views about the earth we stand on.
Since then, a number of truthers have carried the torch of truth.
We know we don't live on a ball,
spinning 1000 mph,
orbiting the sun at 66,600 mph,
as the sun travels really fast.
We know the flat earth society is complete disinformation.
We have an advocate of said sight claiming a ring laser doodad
proves the rotation of the earth.
So the flat earth society is proving the globe now?
Inversion much?
This topic will continue to be the most viewed, because it contains
the most truth.
Thank you grav for your tenacity!

peace,
cnut

You have to read carefully.

1. Read the introduction post of the user (Sandokhan) you are referring to.

2. The links he is posting are to discussions in the forum of the FES. It didn't take long for most to figure out that the FES is controlled opposition. It has been so for a long time but as many don't know that, they post their theories, arguments in their blog.

3. Regarding the RLG, he is playing devil's advocate in saying that if he was a believer in the globe, that would be his one and only fallback argument against all logical observable and testable physics arguments, as the RLG experiment is accepted to be 'scientifically sound' and is most often used as of late to counter any FE argument. It was the argument 'inadvertently' presented by the controlled opposition FE channels to 'put a final nail in the coffin' of the flat earth movement. What Sandokhan is saying is that the principal under which the RLG is purported to work and what its actually measuring is erroneous and it must be shown to be so with actual proof.

If you look at some of his other posts regarding chronology, you can find some good references to material you may not have seen so far. Whether you agree with his hypothesis or not is another thing, but at least ideas are being researched and presented.
 
@bob, getting familiar I know but it is the weekend!

A thought occurred after watching the magnetic river video again. On the scale model track where they were using the plate with the red tape on it where Eric reversed the polarity on half of the track and got the plate to go back and forwards. To my mind what we are seeing is two equal push forces pushing the plate in the direction of travel as in towards each other as long as the electricity is flowing (being pushed?) in the polar opposite directions but as Eric explained on his model the push force is making the electricity go up and down creating the illusion of a magnetic wave.

So magnetism does not flow laterally at all it simply goes up and down to create the appearance of the peak and trough of a wave.
The wind pushes on the surface of the water pushing it down into itself which means that the bit not being pushed by the wind rise up under ergo it is pushed up not by the wind but by the pushing force of the wind on the water that forms the trough.
It has nowhere else to go but up. So all the waves in liquid water and water vapour are up and down motions caused by an initial downwards pressure aka a push, coming from somewhere.

Does what I have just typed out make any sense to you?

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Incidentally writing this out it now becomes clear where the term polar most probably arose. Polar and pole came into being when electricity came to man's notice and and words were needed to explain what was assumed was going on. All that the people who gain from false knowledge did was take the terms polar and pole and stuck them onto their ball shaped invention and the maps based upon it.
I am aware that in official and alternative history the geographical usage predates the electrical usage but considering the amount of flipping that goes on it is not beyond the realms of possibility that they two uses were in reality the other way round.

The north pole is said to be under the north star the only non revolving light in the sky it is said but even this is potential nonsense as if the pole star is actually the only visible part of the axle holding the sky disc then as the centre of this axle disk combination it too would turn just imperceptibly to the human eye and the camera doing the time-lapse. Were such a camera set to run to capture the entire passage of the night at actual speed it may be noticed which may be another reason why there are no videos available of watching the pole star from directly underneath it.
It would be a bugger if evidence of an axle appeared in moving images.
 
Does what I have just typed out make any sense to you?

It totally makes sense to me. I always felt that in old maps the role of the winds must have been important for them to be given so much 'real estate' on such highly selectively condensed documents. At first I thought that it was just an artistic rendering of the mapmakers' biblical beliefs but upon studying the subject matter further I now suspect that the four winds represent not only the atmospheric 'air' being moved but also the electromagnetic forces which influence our realm to such great extent that they decidedly could not be left out.

All we have to do is to track the definition of 'ether' from ancient philosophers through to the current times and see how it changes from one all encompassing medium, the cause of all, to just an inconvenient aspect of modern 'physics' where all mathematical attempts have been made to exclude it from real physics.

One certainly no longer can take the position of writing off our ancestors as uncivilized, unlearned, uneducated and unscientific given the amount of very real archeological evidence at our disposal (cathedrals, pyramids, megaliths, etc.).

So the 'winds' (magnetic forces) I surmise are a key to understanding the true physics of our realm, how its constructed, how it behaves, how it influences 'the heavens' and the earth realm.
 
Yes, that makes sense - it's not easy to explain as I think it's a bit counter intuitive. We see waves appear to travel across the ocean when in reality we just have water molecules moving up and down in a wave. A good way to visualise this is the classic 'Mexican wave' at football matches, we see what appears to be a wave travel around the ground but we can also clearly see that this effect is created by people standing up and sitting down. As an aside, I would find it virtually impossible not to join in when the wave arrived which is interesting as normally I find it easy to ignore what everyone else is doing!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvIjyev6Hko


I've been watching a few more of Eric's videos - I'd forgotten how good he was! He shows the wave really clearly with his magents rising and falling. This is always the case with waves, the wave doesn't physically exist it's just an illusion casued by the rising and falling of particles.The energy which travels through a wave is created somewhere and then uses the water as a medium to travel. Fairly easy to see with physical waves but what about electromagentic waves? They supposedly travel through vacuum, but the obvious question is how can it without a medium, what is 'waving'? - no one can rally answer this, it's almost a standing joke in physics, if someone asks change the subject quickly :) The obvious answer would be the ether, which was the solution supported by scientists such as Maxwell, Boyle, Huygens but what did they know?

I've started to wonder if the ether is just a sea of electrons, which would make it very similar to plasma, which itself is the most common state of matter. We are surrounded by charge, we know atmospheric electricity exists and that the current varies on a 24hr cycle. Feinman gave a great lecture on this subject and shows the graph in this link that shows the current rising and falling each day. It peaks at 9:00pm uk time all over the world at the same time. It also shows how the voltage increases by 100v for each 1m you go up in altitude (hence those tall metal spires on all old buildings!). Could this suggest that 'gravity' is electromagnetic (or directly connected to it) as we are at the bottom of a potential well?

https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_09.html
So could they be hiding the ether in plain view? It would make sense that EM fields travel through charged particles, which themselves have no mass and are invisible to us. Is this also the same thing as Chi? and the same thing as Orgone? The electric universe has recently shown some interesting stuff which treats the body as an electrical circuit, and this is backed up by acupuncture which treats the body as a Chi circuit. More jigsaw pieces!

Almost forgot to add this bit - I was just watching one of Martin Liedke's recent videos where they found metal roads buried beneath tarmac in Russia. The video should start just before he starts talking about it. Since I had just watched Eric's magnetic river video I made the obvious connection, that these could have been ancient mag lev roads. Martin makes the same connection and the coincidence of it all made it worth sharing here!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c77W87jyQDQ&t=5886s
 
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And the most viewed thread on stolenhistory.net is... Flat Earth.

Well then let's not disappoint our spectators and keep the content coming. :)

Jokes aside, I found an old video by a guy called Curious Life whose channel was deleted in one of YT's purges. I found only 2 references to him from the archive and neither was this video so I'm posting it here. This is from his new channel where unfortunately most of his old content is not up.

Its about the history of sci-fi programming upon the masses. I always liked his channel as he is intelligent, does good research and presents it well. Enjoy.

1600-1900 Space Programming


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPKe4kwVhOk


It seems the channel is gone again so here's another link:

Pre 1900 Science Fiction and Flat Earth by Curious Life


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfkAy_N7cdU
 
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