Flat Earth

[Sigian]

No. That's the wrong map with the North Pole in the center. The best map, so far, is the global Piri Reis map:

So north on the compass points where then?

The second image is what I have always seen described with an outer ice wall.

With the Piri Reis global map, is it nothing but water beyond the continents?

Does a flat earth extend in all directions infinitely? Is it a disc shape just sitting under a dome with what outside the dome?

 

[sandokhan]

So north on the compass points where then?

Peary never discovered the North Pole:

This is supposed to be the area of the globe

The second image is what I have always seen described with an outer ice wall.

No. What you have seen is the outer rim of the usual North Pole centered map. The outer ice wall is well beyond the boundary of the first dome.

Does a flat earth extend in all directions infinitely? Is it a disc shape just sitting under a dome with what outside the dome?

1. No. That's the flawed infinite earth theory.

2. Yes. We have two domes, the first encompasses the global Piri Reis map.

 

[Jd755]

As it does on a globe with gravity, because the level is always directed towards the center mass if gravity does exist as explained. So not reputable there in my opinion. The earth isn't a small globe, it's huge, making a seemingly long distance just a fraction of what is actually there. Doesn't explain this either.

I have already posted actual photographs I have taken earlier this year that show precisely what happens in our visual geometry. No need for a internet meme with red lines ( why are the lines nearly always red, must they not be crossed?) to try and explain away something our eyes do.

It is not my opinion that contained water always presents a level surface it is demonstrable, provable, factual truth.

 

[sandokhan]

How did the elites know that the cometary dust which contains the avian flu (BSL-3) would reach the surface of the Earth exactly in the month of November, 2019, well ahead of time (at least 250 years ago)? Exactly, using flat earth theory. With flat earth theory on their side, they already know the names of the two pathogenic agents (BSL-4) which will cause the next two pandemics.

 

[E.Bearclaw]

Now hold on. So you are saying that water doesn't curve at 8 inches per mile? And that we can measure that with a ruler or laser?

I guess an easy way to prove it for once and for all is to use a non shatter proof ruler to measure rather than a bendable shatter resistant.

I always wondered why TPTB at my school promoted that shatter resistant nonsense. They said it was to do with kids making them wibble off the side of the desk.

Thought I mentioned that before since you were the one that originally started this thread, would be great to have everything all together in one space instead of having to search through pages upon pages of a thread to see if the topic had been brought up.

Being serious here, would be a great starting point for those interested. Yes I ask questions, yes I ask for proofs, but shouldn't everyone be critical of everything now. Just because I press harder, does not mean I do not respect the views that others present.





As it does on a globe with gravity, because the level is always directed towards the center mass if gravity does exist as explained. So not reputable there in my opinion. The earth isn't a small globe, it's huge, making a seemingly long distance just a fraction of what is actually there. Doesn't explain this either.

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Can't we just make a 10 mile long level, put it across the surface of a body of water and see from there?

The Bedford level, laser gyroscope, hell even holding a light between point A and B showed that one side had to be raised up to see it at a distance, many others as well.

If you can see the curve on the pylons as they disappear into the distance, surely the horizon line should be curved also in that photo? It looks dead flat to my eyes.

 

[Skydog]

Just watched Ewaranon's latest batch of videos. The seventh was full of mind-blowing stuff. And that ending!

I think @kd-755 makes a great point about the sheer amount of very high quality / produced content put out there by Ewaranon in a relatively short amount of time. I instinctively thought the same thing. Suspect? Genius? Or both?

In any event...my god - I haven’t been this moved by “alternative” video content in quite some time. And to top it all off - the fact that he offered a new model for the FE crowd to consider in the very last episode - that frankly seems as reasonable as any other given the incorporation of the precession on the equinoxes / great year (which I’ve personally always been instinctively drawn to) seems all the more comforting at this presumably critical chapter in our little lives.

 

[E.Bearclaw]

I think @kd-755 makes a great point about the sheer amount of very high quality / produced content put out there by Ewaranon in a relatively short amount of time. I instinctively thought the same thing. Suspect? Genius? Or both?

In any event...my god - I haven’t been this moved by “alternative” video content in quite some time. And to top it all off - the fact that he offered a new model for the FE crowd to consider in the very last episode - that frankly seems as reasonable as any other given the incorporation of the precession on the equinoxes / great year (which I’ve personally always been instinctively drawn to) seems all the more comforting at this presumably critical chapter in our little lives.

I agree with it being suspect. However I feel that cards are revealed at particular times. Not saying that this is the apocalypse, but in many ways it feels like a time where truth gets revealed if you look for it, and if you close your eyes it stays hidden. Like a blue pill red pill revelation.

Whilst the source may not be as presented, (his voice sounds to me like a 20-30 Londoner), and may be fed information, or is the work of a team. I don't think this necessarily means it is disinfo. It does mean one must analyse it with a element of criticality. I appreciate this is the attitude your post indicates you have taken of course!

I guess the best thing to do is to disregard the source, which is not ideal admittedly, and to weigh up the information for what it is. Whether it stands up to reason, or resonates with your s elf. It sounds like it does! I still haven't got to the end yet, I am watching it with my other half, after working through the first series. Its the first thing that has resonated with her on this front, and she has actually started watching over videos on the subject.

One thing that has struck me so far is the Erie Canal discussion. There was a thread on that here in SH 1.0. I wondered whether he has been on here (it would be a logical place to come to garner some of the info), or maybe even has the same (possible) source of information that KD had.

 

[Jd755]

Can't we just make a 10 mile long level, put it across the surface of a body of water and see from there?

What would you use to calibrate the 10 mile long level?

Thanks to a good friend I listened to the video at 1.25 speed. You get to hear his real voice or something closer to his real voice. It sounds very familiar to me from some other video channel but I cannot recall which one.
The videos all use the topics and research on here and the version one SH site. The videos 1-13 were actually created prior to August 2020 as Ewaranon states on his bitchute channel.

Reuploading my series from August 2020 with improved audio.

Just some light background digging.

 

[Skydog]

I agree with it being suspect. However I feel that cards are revealed at particular times. Not saying that this is the apocalypse, but in many ways it feels like a time where truth gets revealed if you look for it, and if you close your eyes it stays hidden. Like a blue pill red pill revelation.

Whilst the source may not be as presented, (his voice sounds to me like a 20-30 Londoner), and may be fed information, or is the work of a team. I don't think this necessarily means it is disinfo. It does mean one must analyse it with a element of criticality. I appreciate this is the attitude your post indicates you have taken of course!

I guess the best thing to do is to disregard the source, which is not ideal admittedly, and to weigh up the information for what it is. Whether it stands up to reason, or resonates with your s elf. It sounds like it does! I still haven't got to the end yet, I am watching it with my other half, after working through the first series. Its the first thing that has resonated with her on this front, and she has actually started watching over videos on the subject.

One thing that has struck me so far is the Erie Canal discussion. There was a thread on that here in SH 1.0. I wondered whether he has been on here (it would be a logical place to come to garner some of the info), or maybe even has the same (possible) source of information that KD had.

In the comments section of his last video I noticed that he gave shout outs to most of the usual suspects in our space (Levi, UAP, exploring Tartaria etc.). While SH not specifically mentioned, think it’s a safe bet he stopped here every now and again.

 

[grav]

Eric Dubay copied my explanation concerning the solar eclipse (Rahu/Fenrir), some years ago, long after I first had posted the information in my AFET. Ask Dubay to explain terrestrial gravitation, or to debunk the MMX. His 200 proofs are an introduction, perhaps, to the subject discussed here. He does not touch any of the advanced topics mentioned in AFET which is the state-of-the-art in flat earth theory.



You do not even understand what basic electricity is: you are relying on hertzian transversal waves.

Do you understand the difference between longitudinal electricity and transversal electricity?

Longitudinal electricity = ether = bosons/photons/neutrinos = non-hertzian waves

Transversal electricity = subquarks = ripples in the sea of ether

Do you understand the implications of Bell's theorem? The existence of the superluminal hyperspace, and of the ether.

So, there is a huge difference between conventional electrical theory and ether magnetricity.

At the core, electricity = ether/aether theory.

Knot theory = vortex theory (emissive and receptive), certainly not status-quo theory

Excellent! I'd hoped I could provoke you to expand on my simplistic view of the EU.
It's the jargon I object to. Like hyperspace, which has multiple meanings in multiple disciplines. Magnetricity is new to me.

I freely admit that electricity is way over my head, partly because its vocabulary complicates what should be a more understandable rendition of the aether.
The confusion is obviously intentional. EU scientists do not make it easier for oafs like me to see the matrix. Yes, academia frowns on disclosure of the Truth.

Your post is the first attempt I've seen that presents ideas (theories) to explain how dielectricity arranges itself to form reality. I want a fuller development of the EM spectrum, an outline of its main parts, flowchart, meme, Aether for Dummies.
Yes, I do understand that people in hell want ice water.

You also refer to comets and flu. What are comets? Do you think electricity causes disease? That idea is a major theme of Firstenberg's The Invisible Rainbow.

 

[Lightseeker]

In the comments section of his last video I noticed that he gave shout outs to most of the usual suspects in our space (Levi, UAP, exploring Tartaria etc.). While SH not specifically mentioned, think it’s a safe bet he stopped here every now and again.

What's wrong with Exploring Tartaria?

 

[Skydog]

What's wrong with Exploring Tartaria?

Nothing. I was just listing the sites he specifically listed in one of his more popular comments in the most recent video.

 

[grav]

How did the elites know that the cometary dust which contains the avian flu (BSL-3) would reach the surface of the Earth exactly in the month of November, 2019, well ahead of time (at least 250 years ago)? Exactly, using flat earth theory. With flat earth theory on their side, they already know the names of the two pathogenic agents (BSL-4) which will cause the next two pandemics.

Bird flu is either misunderstood or another damn Yankee lie of the establishment.
Firstenberg makes a good case for aether-induced illnesses, not some cockamamie Germ theory bs that even Pasteur eventually disavowed.

You have skills, evidently, in math and investigatory science.
You dangle your own conclusions in our view but in a desultory fashion.
I used to be a member of FES, may still be under an old username, dunno.
I very much like this comment about you on your home turf.

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=4429.20
Tom Bishop

• Zetetic Council Member Re: Advanced/Alternative Flat Earth Frequently Asked Questions

« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2016, 06:59:18 AM »
Sandokhan, I am not opposed to you having a section on the Wiki, but I think you really need to put significant work into simplifying these ideas for the layman.

 

[Starman]

Had a full moon eclipse last night in Hawaii. Dark and brooding moon it was. Dark blood red.

Am wondering about an explanation for lunar and solar eclipses in the FE model. It appears that globalists use some kind of orbital mechanical calculations to accurately forecast eclipses into the future. That is amazing on the face of it. How is that done??

I can imagine a computer program that tracks the path of the sun and moon under the globalist scenario and you just let it run, and presto you see that at some future time they intersect to cause an eclipse. But how did they do it before computers?

I’m surprised that globe lovers don’t trot out this argument based on orbital mechanics more often in order to defend their model.

 

[sandokhan]

Am wondering about an explanation for lunar and solar eclipses in the FE model.

You should be wondering about the RE model for the solar/lunar eclipses.

The Allais effect for solar eclipses:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382
The Allais effect proves that the Moon does not cause the solar eclipse at all.

The Allais effect for lunar eclipses:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2138487#msg2138487
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2209362#msg2209362
As for RE orbital mechanics, there are huge problems:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1774581#msg1774581
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1935048#msg1935048
The interval of assured reliability for Newton's equations of gravitational motion is at most three hundred years.

Pole shifts of the Earth in heliocentrism:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2254336#msg2254336
And orbital mechanics cannot as much as explain why planes stay in the air:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2230939#msg2230939

 

[Silent Bob]

1. The Bedford level, laser gyroscope, hell even holding a light between point A and B showed that one side had to be raised up to see it at a distance, many others as well.

2. Think it was the ancient Greeks, a few thousand years before Newton that mentioned that the Earth was a globe, at least that is what history mentions. No need at that point to prove the point once again since it had already been a thing for a long time, Newtons donation was gravity itself, or at least his best explanation.

3. So a question, how does a compass work on a flat earth? North is always the middle, guessing some large magnetic object? But South doesn't make sense, if it always points to an ice wall surrounding us, then why must a compass needle need weighted specially for the southern hemisphere? Shouldn't it point towards the ice wall no matter what? And then if as I have read that there may be more continents beyond the ice wall, then wouldn't that make us the very center of whatever flat world we live upon?

1. First the Bedford levels experiment, you can read the details of the orginal experiment right here, starting on page 11.

https://ia802705.us.archive.org/30/items/zeteticastronom00rowbgoog/zeteticastronom00rowbgoog.pdf
You will see that the observer with the telescope is actually in the water, ensuring his eye level is not more than 8in above the water level and yet he still saw the entire boat 6 miles away, so neither side needed to be raised up as you suggest. What made you think this?

2. You have surely learned by now on this website that our history isn't always entirely accurate and that just maybe some history is faked to present a particular narrative? If it's more than 200 years ago it's probably fictional, at least to some degree! What I do know, from some primary sources, is that in the 1800's most ordinary people still thought the earth was flat, whilst establishment academics were the ones who claimed the globe model. It seems our knowledge of most things was distorted by establishment academics in the 1800's, think evolution, germ theory, vaccines etc, a new perception of reality was being created and impossed upon the masses. The globe earth theory was just one of these, creating the perfect prison for us - perfect because we don't know it's a prison and don't realise there's an outer world to escape to! A prison where the walls are hidden by a theory, a belief, which prevents you from ever even imagining or conceiving of a way out.

3. A compass only points north, never south. Only the north attracts a compass point, the south has never been claimed to attract a compass point even in mainstream globe science. Here is the contrived mainstream explanation why:

https://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2013/1...c-compass-point-to-the-geographic-north-pole/
Basically they say that the geographic north pole is really the magnetic south pole and that magnetic field lines outside of a permanent magnet always run from the north magnetic pole to the south magnetic pole. Therefore, the magnetic field lines of the earth run from the southern geographic hemisphere towards the northern geographic hemisphere. Confused? That's probably the idea So we only need the centre of our flat disc to be magnetic to attract a compass point, the south or outer ring plays no part.

 

[grav]

In the movie Apocalypto, pre-colonial shamans knew exactly when a solar eclipse would take place.
I've also heard that modern astronomy uses ancient records that predict these celestial events.

Full moons occur frequently, which should be impossible in the Copernican model.
If the sun has gone down, the alleged globe blocks the moon's being able to receive light to reflect back to earth. It may be possible for a portion of the moon to be illuminated on one side. But for the entire face to shine limb to limb, the sun must be in front of the moon, where the earth is. I saw a video years ago which purported to demonstrate the effect.
It was a shameful distortion using camera angles that skewed the observer's line of sight.

 

[Starman]

In the movie Apocalypto, pre-colonial shamans knew exactly when a solar eclipse would take place.
I've also heard that modern astronomy uses ancient records that predict these celestial events.

Full moons occur frequently, which should be impossible in the Copernican model.
If the sun has gone down, the alleged globe blocks the moon's being able to receive light to reflect back to earth. It may be possible for a portion of the moon to be illuminated on one side. But for the entire face to shine limb to limb, the sun must be in front of the moon, where the earth is. I saw a video years ago which purported to demonstrate the effect.
It was a shameful distortion using camera angles that skewed the observer's line of sight.

Quite curious that pre-colonial people knew when solar eclipses would happen. Also quite curious that there may be ancient records that help modern astronomers make similar predictions. There may be some hidden information here that has bearing on flat vs. globe realities. I will do some researching on modern day methods and see if anything makes sense. You'd think that any formula being used would give evidence of the basis on which the measurement is derived. If it's not based on orbital mechanics, then we have a gotcha moment. If it is based on orbs transiting here and there in orbits, then we FEers need to scratch our heads and consider the implications.

 

[luddite]

Last night in Australia and possibly other (less important) continents was a full eclipse. Red blood moon.

Here is a pic and analysis of it. Comments would be more than welcomed.

 

[luddite]

If the moon is supposed to be out during the night how come it appears during the day and there are nights without the moon?

A tidally locked moon doesn't rotate on it's axis, and we always see one side only. Both sides of the globe can see the moon simultaneously during the day and the night. That is because light bends perhaps. The globe earth model can't answer it. Flat earth answers it by having the moon lamp move around in a circle above us.

If the moon is self-illuminating what powers it?

Are you suggesting it's not self-illuminating? So you see rock reflect light on the ground like a flashlight? Shine a lazer into some basalt rocks and tell us the result. You might be perplexed that they don't glow like the moon.

From wiki: Mineral composition of mare basalts[18]

	Plagioclase	Pyroxene	Olivine	Ilmenite
High titanium content	30%	54%	3%	18%
Low titanium content	30%	60%	5%	5%
Very low titanium content	35%	55%	8%	2%

Mare basalts are named as such because they frequently constitute large portions of the lunar maria. These typically contain 18-21 percent FeO by weight, and 1-13 percent TiO2. They are similar to terrestrial basalts, but have many important differences; for example, mare basalts show a large negative europium anomaly. The type location is Mare Crisium sampled by Luna 24.

How far away and how big is it? Plus who discovered those measurements?

]From wiki: The time-averaged distance between Earth and Moon centers is 385,000.6 km (239,228.3 mi). Millimeter-precision measurements of the lunar distance are made by measuring the time taken for light to travel between LIDAR stations on the Earth and retroreflectors placed on the Moon.

They tell us they use a LieDAR. Kind of self-explanatory. They are laughing all the way to the indoctrination facility and then the debt facility called the bank.