Flat Earth

Citezenship · May 27, 2021

mega1000 said:
The moon is tidally locked by the Earth because Earth's gravity is stronger than the moon's and the fact that the moon is close to Earth compared to the rest of the solar system. I don't know if other moons have rotation around their planets.

As far as the moon being self-illuminated why does it go through phases and sometimes go completely dark.

If you someone is suggesting that Lidar which means, Light Detection and Ranging, a form of laser used to measure things and see through foliage, Liedar I find it foolish that someone trying to hide something would throw out a clue to the people its trying to hide it from.

Although it is kind of the same humour that writes(spells) the word corp-oratiion, or, dead, talking one could say but it really is no joke.

MadIrishman · May 27, 2021

Has anyone explored the crater earth hypothesis and that the moon is actually the reflection of the greater earth? I am not convinced the earth is flat, however after seeing the video of the rocket suddenly stopping vertical motion at 73mi. I became certain the historical space narrative is incorrect.

Jd755 · May 27, 2021

MadIrishman said:
Has anyone explored the crater earth hypothesis and that the moon is actually the reflection of the greater earth? I am not convinced the earth is flat, however after seeing the video of the rocket suddenly stopping vertical motion at 73mi. I became certain the historical space narrative is incorrect.

https://stolenhistory.net/search/58965/?q=concave&o=relevance
Edit to add;

kd-755 said:
When, where, how?
Fermilab Today

sandokhan said:
So, why aren't gravitational waves (and therefore gravitons) being detected all over the place, in many labs around the world?

Because physicists are using the wrong formula.

I have noticed you do this all the time. Ignore simple requests for evidence in support of claim and then pose a question of your own and give yourself another opportunity to post shed loads of links.

sandokhan · May 27, 2021

kd-755 said:
I have noticed you do this all the time. Ignore simple requests for evidence in support of claim and then pose a question of your own and give yourself another opportunity to post shed loads of links.

Nope.

You came up with the Fermilab article. I responded with the state-of-the-art experiments carried out by the U.S. Navy which rely exactly on the Gertsenshtein-Zeldovich effect (conversion of photons to gravitons). You think the person who wrote that article has any knowledge of the Gertsenshtein-Zeldovich effect?

Then, I came up with the scientific papers which do prove the existence of tachyons (antigravitons).

Yet, you are not happy.

I even offered the correct formula to be used in gravitational wave experiments, using copious bibliographical sources.

Jd755 · May 27, 2021

sandokhan said:
Nope.

You came up with the Fermilab article. I responded with the state-of-the-art experiments carried out by the U.S. Navy which rely exactly on the Gertsenshtein-Zeldovich effect (conversion of photons to gravitons). You think the person who wrote that article has any knowledge of the Gertsenshtein-Zeldovich effect?

Then, I came up with the scientific papers which do prove the existence of tachyons (antigravitons).

Yet, you are not happy.

I even offered the correct formula to be used in gravitational wave experiments, using copious bibliographical sources.

I owe you an apology. On another thread on here somewhere I promised I would not bother you again and I simply. forgot I had made that promise. Please forgive me.

sandokhan · May 27, 2021

More proofs for you.

US20190058105A1 - Piezoelectricity-induced Room Temperature Superconductor - Google Patents

The Navy’s Chief Technical Officer of the Naval Aviation Enterprise, Dr. James Sheehy, intervened on behalf of Dr. Pais at the US Patent and Trademark Office:

I am familiar with the above referenced patent application (and related amendment), as well as the development, usage and properties of the piezoelectricity-induced room temperature superconductor. That as a result of my education and career, I am regarded as a subject matter expert and can be considered “a person of ordinary skill in the art” in the subject matter of the above patent application.

That the invention described in the above referenced patent application is operable and enabled via the physics described in the patent application and the peered reviewed paper described in the Inventor Amendment.

2…. Dr. Pais is currently funded by NAWCAD [Naval Air War Center Aircraft Division] to design a test article instrumentation to demonstrate the experimental feasibility of achieving high electromagnetic (EM) field-energy and flux values… He is currently one year into the project and has already begun a series of experiments to design and demonstrate advanced High energy Density / High Power propulsion systems.

(letter dated December 15, 2017, by Dr. James Sheehy, the Chief Technology Officer for the Naval Aviation Enterprise)

US10144532B2 - Craft using an inertial mass reduction device - Google Patents

High Frequency Gravitational Waves - Induced Propulsion2017 | Field (Physics) | Electromagnetic Radiation

SAE MOBILUS

These extremely high graviton production rates further show that if multiple high power, high frequency gravitational waves were to be focused on a particular point in a spacetime locality, they can induce a spacetime curvature singularity, namely a “highly distorted and disrupted patch of spacetime fabric”.

Why do I go to these lengths to prove my point?

kd-755 said:
It is a theoretical paper.based on more theoretical paper.

Experimental as well: the Chief Technology Officer for the Naval Aviation Enterprise calls the Gertsenshtein-Zeldovich effect (conversion of photons to gravitons) "operable".

Starman · May 28, 2021

dreamtime said:
But indeed his channel videos are gone: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy6EQBAe0M7lsrFjGPbKQhg/videos

Probably deleted by the owner, though.

Here is a quote from Ewaranon from his Gab account today:

"Sorry to post this here guys. It isn't FE related. But ergh. Lost all views and comments. Over pretty much nothing. And it's such a shame because there were so many kind comments. I'm working to get vids back up. They will be back don't worry."

https://gab.com/Ewaranon/posts/106308808227574347

sandokhan · May 28, 2021

Want to know if the Earth is flat or a globe?

Take your bathroom scale outside and step on it.

If it registers your weight + 2,000 pounds of weight, you are on a globe.

However, if it registers your weight only, you most definitely are on a flat surface of the Earth.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2037796#msg2037796

Advanced Flat Earth Theory (standard atmosphere value for a column of water paradox)

Advanced Flat Earth Theory (part II)

Advanced Flat Earth Theory (part III)

Jd755 · May 28, 2021

So where to from here, what is here?
Here is for me the two proofs the earth is not a ball.
The behaviour of contained water and the built environment of Euclidean geometry are all it takes as each is easily tested, demonstrated and repeatable.

With that is my frame of reference it makes sense to me to continue down the physical practical demonstrable road. Theoretical mathematical language,the macro and micro world that are only be reached by machines are of no use.

As the ocean is contained there should be a container edge a upturned lip if you like over which the water cannot progress. It would make sense to seek out this container lip but where and how to look for it and what am I going to look for as in would I recognise it as such?
Water is contained by all manner of constraint. Pour some water onto a level surface and it will form up unto pools or puddles without there being a physical container. It's own volume is sufficient to limit it and keep it in place until more water is added, or it evaporates or the level surface moves.

This could be describing the ocean. It has no physical edge to keep it contained just a volume that evaporates and can re-condense and flow down the bumpy land on a level plane. This would mean the level plane continues beyond the 'ocean puddle'. Seems too fantastic. It is not a theory just a suggestion.
Perhaps the tides may show something.

Where I live there are two tides per day. I can sit down by a sea/dock wall and watch the water move over the mudflats relentlessly as the tide flows in. If its a calm day it simply flows gently across the entire mudflat in all directions powered it seems by the volume of water behind the front edge being pushed by something I know not what.
No waves just a gentle movement and as the water enters dips and gullies it speeds up and fills them. Once the level surface has been regained it moves on. If the wind is blowing it whips up a foamy wavy surface but the movement of the water is exactly the same just more violent depending on direction and strength of the wind. Currents are clearly visible in this moving body of contained water as the mudflats and gullies set them up it seems to me.
The water that originally filled the gully does not stay there it is constantly being replaced for as long as the tide is flowing in in the same way the water in a whirlpool is constantly changing.

At high tide there is a period of rest when the water no longer flows in and doesn't begin to flow out. The ending of the flow is imperceptible to my eyes as is the beginning of the ebb.The dock water on the other side of the sea wall is not affected in the slightest by this tidal movement.

Is this indicative of the ocean being contained not by a physical container but simply by its own own volume?
If so what is pushing the tide in and how does the push stop then seemingly disappear?

The trouble with engaging with reality on the human scale as I do each and every day, as it is all I have, the contemplation of all that is instantly becomes fantastic.

grav · May 29, 2021

Gravity waves are ........ what?
They stick in my craw, for one thing.
My full name is Auntie Grav, your friendly neighborhood skeptic of modern science.
Gravitons are also .. what? Bosons and all the other jargon are, imo, language intended to distort and disguise what physicists really know.

There are beaucoups of videos showing small anti-gravity devices with superconductors. So, sure, matter can be manipulated by altering density. Tibetan monks have been reported to levitate yuuge boulders up mountains with sound waves from large musical instruments.

Would that mystical technology constitute gravity waves?

My point is this: modern science, especially tech belonging to military agencies, is 100% owned and operated by freemasons. They obfuscate, weaponize, and utterly distort all true information so that the public can never know what the hell is going on.

Sandokhan has pasted many examples of this diabolical methodology
Hypothetical gibberish. They take truth hostage, then kill it, then bury it in a fancy coffin.
Newton and Einstein, for example. Did they really discover or surmise "laws" regarding gravity, motion, relativity, etc.? Or were they chosen to be mouthpieces of Big Brother's control system? duh.

If true and simplified science were made available to the sheeple, we would all have free energy, flying cars, and peace of earth. That must never be allowed.

veeall · May 29, 2021

FarewellAngelina said:
Newtons theory predicted that degrees of latitude would lengthen towards the pole since the light rays from that star come in parallel since the star is very ,very, very far away . If the earth was perfect sphere ( prevailing view at that time ) then each degree of latitude would be equidistant apart. Simple premise that uses no assumptions - other than the stars being very,very very far away- but will provide empirical evidence of the shape of earth.

The survey took several years and Cassinis' results brought the "age of reason" to a halt. He found that latitude actually shortened towards the pole . Over 8+ degrees across France that degrees of latitude shortened northward by a factor of about 1/800.

This meant that the earth was neither an oblate or perfect sphere . His results were checked as correct by other astronomers of the time. If the earth was flat and the pole star was not very,very, very, far away then that empirical evidence would fit that model although the theorists could not consider that possibility.

Huge controversy ensued , theorists on Newtons side and real practical scientists on the other . Of course the theorists , with all their power and control waited many years till after Cassini died and gradually managed to shove real science aside . It's all worth researching although getting harder to find info on t'web.

That's good to know. I was playing with the idea that in flat earth model, with closer North Star, latitudes cannot be at the equal increments. It spoiled the FE model, now, the above info points to just another cover-up.

Are north to south distances on our maps likewise distorted, by the same rate as lengths between latitudes are equalized?
"Over 8+ degrees across France" - Does this mean over 8x60 miles across France?, one degree being about 60 nautical miles.

And with latitudes lengthening toward the equator (or south), the same has to do the degree and the true unit of a mile - once being consisted of one minute of a degree of latitude.

Mainstream view is that while varying slightly the length between the latitudes is roughly 60 Nmiles.

Starman · May 30, 2021

Video from May 25 with David Weiss talking to some young globe heads. He's pretty good at hanging in there and challenging their thought process:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxJM-JYk9U8

FarewellAngelina · May 30, 2021

veeall said:
That's good to know. I was playing with the idea that in flat earth model, with closer North Star, latitudes cannot be at the equal increments. It spoiled the FE model, now, the above info points to just another cover-up.

Are north to south distances on our maps likewise distorted, by the same rate as lengths between latitudes are equalized?
"Over 8+ degrees across France" - Does this mean over 8x60 miles across France?, one degree being about 60 nautical miles.

And with latitudes lengthening toward the equator (or south), the same has to do the degree and the true unit of a mile - once being consisted of one minute of a degree of latitude.

Mainstream view is that while varying slightly the length between the latitudes is roughly 60 Nmiles.

Nice to see your interest.

The survey covered around 570mls from Perpignan in the south to Dunkerque in the north - over 8+ degrees of latitude as scientifically measured form the pole star.

The nautical mile ( knot ) is an imaginary measure based on globe theory supposed to be equal to 1/360 of the globes circumference . The idea of the equator being 0 degrees is also arbitrary based on the globe theory and is not based on measurement from the pole star.

This survey has to be covered up to protect the globe theory . I think distances overland on our maps must be pretty accurate since it's straightforward to triangulate these.

You are correct that latitudes cannot be of equal increments - also the pole star cannot be at a silly distance . When I have more time I will give some more info if you require some . Must dash , sorry

veeall · May 30, 2021

FarewellAngelina said:
Nice to see your interest.

The survey covered around 570mls from Perpignan in the south to Dunkerque in the north - over 8+ degrees of latitude as scientifically measured form the pole star.

The nautical mile ( knot ) is an imaginary measure based on globe theory supposed to be equal to 1/360 of the globes circumference . The idea of the equator being 0 degrees is also arbitrary based on the globe theory and is not based on measurement from the pole star.

This survey has to be covered up to protect the globe theory . I think distances overland on our maps must be pretty accurate since it's straightforward to triangulate these.

You are correct that latitudes cannot be of equal increments - also the pole star cannot be at a silly distance . When I have more time I will give some more info if you require some . Must dash , sorry

I've read somewhere from the internet that a nautical mile was originally an unfixed unit of a minute of a degree of latitude, measured relating to the North Star using navigational sextant. Wikipedia explains that latitudes are measured in relation to the center of the globe which makes them all equal, but i cannot imagine how a navigator could practically find the center of the earth for determining the latitude.

So do our latitudes as given by GPS coincide with the readings of a sextant with the North Star? Googl brings up the definite yes answer, but it couldn't be true if the world isn't a globe. Or maybe latitudes coincide, while actual distances between them differ, ie how the cover-up would be achieved, what data is forged? The factor of 1/800 doesn't seem much, has anyone calculated how far the North Star has to be to produce such difference, assuming the earth to be flat?

Did Cassini measured the North Star from the sea level, or on what altitude? I guess it can change the outcome, if stars are actually nearer to earth.

When you have time, i would welcome your info.

Here, the proportions of France on the maps of (one of) Cassinis seem stretched.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170515024529/http://www.cartocassini.org/cartecassini/france.htm

Skydog · May 30, 2021

I’m pretty intrigued by Ewaranon’s clocklike version of the FE model given the source (our moon), the incorporation of the precession of the equinoxes, the Latin cross, nobility version of the crescent moon, temporary ice wall as well as many other SH aspects we are so familiar with here.

For example, all of the old glorious / impossible architecture could be from the last time the sun and moon were above our current known section of the larger realm. Granted that would have been many thousands of years ago under the ~25k great year model. However, it would have been frozen in time as the sun and moon would have moved on to the other sections of the realm in between. Partially explaining why the old population is nowhere to be found and many other aspects of the mud flooded buildings all over the show.

Questions for those smarter than me:

1) Do the northern / southern celestial hemispheres make sense in Ewaranon’s model? Or does perspective make this a mute point anyways?

2) Does the position of the North Star / Polaris make sense in his model when viewed from the outside areas in our known plane in the Southern Hemisphere?

Keep in mind the map includes the sunken continent Lumeria on our known section/plane - so doesn’t immediately register that it’s similar to the FE maps most of us are familiar with.

sandokhan · May 30, 2021

Skydog said:
1) Do the northern / southern celestial hemispheres make sense in Ewaranon’s model? Or does perspective make this a mute point anyways?

2) Does the position of the North Star / Polaris make sense in his model when viewed from the outside areas in our known plane in the Southern Hemisphere?

If you want to make sense of Ewaranon's FE model, you must find out what map he is using. Is it the unipolar or the bipolar map?

veeall · May 30, 2021

Starman said:
Had a full moon eclipse last night in Hawaii. Dark and brooding moon it was. Dark blood red.

Am wondering about an explanation for lunar and solar eclipses in the FE model. It appears that globalists use some kind of orbital mechanical calculations to accurately forecast eclipses into the future. That is amazing on the face of it. How is that done??

I can imagine a computer program that tracks the path of the sun and moon under the globalist scenario and you just let it run, and presto you see that at some future time they intersect to cause an eclipse. But how did they do it before computers?

I’m surprised that globe lovers don’t trot out this argument based on orbital mechanics more often in order to defend their model.

Here, some insight into periodicity of the eclipses and all. The gears of heaven, if true.
https://archive.org/details/alex_gl...en__is_the_earth_a_globe.o/page/n265/mode/2up

FarewellAngelina · May 30, 2021

veeall said:
I've read somewhere from the internet that a nautical mile was originally an unfixed unit of a minute of a degree of latitude, measured relating to the North Star using navigational sextant. Wikipedia explains that latitudes are measured in relation to the center of the globe which makes them all equal, but i cannot imagine how a navigator could practically find the center of the earth for determining the latitude.

So do our latitudes as given by GPS coincide with the readings of a sextant with the North Star? Googl brings up the definite yes answer, but it couldn't be true if the world isn't a globe. Or maybe latitudes coincide, while actual distances between them differ, ie how the cover-up would be achieved, what data is forged? The factor of 1/800 doesn't seem much, has anyone calculated how far the North Star has to be to produce such difference, assuming the earth to be flat?

Did Cassini measured the North Star from the sea level, or on what altitude? I guess it can change the outcome, if stars are actually nearer to earth.

When you have time, i would welcome your info.

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Like that definition of latitude - not come across that before - fits in with FE ok . Wikipedia is basically a poile of shoite when it comes to science . There is a group who call themselves "Guerilla skeptics" who believe it is their right to alter any info which disagrees with the mainstream globe con.
That Cassinis measurements have never been refuted speaks volumes to me. Now we have latitude defined from the centre of earth according ti wiki - had to smile at that one.

Cassini mapped France at the bequest of King Louis the parasite around 1650's if I recall correctly . Surveyed from Paris to Brest ,E to W and found the distance about 20% less than thought at the time . Shrunk the old parasites domain .

He mapped all his survey results onto a map painted onto the floor of a tower at the French Academy . As he went blind later c1700 his map was then copied - called the Cassini/Nolin planisphere.

Nolin was a globe advocate and he altered the lines of latitude to suit his globe model - latitude lengthening toward the N pole . Usual globe treachery imo .

I'd like to see the Gleason map with latitudes taken from the N pole and lengthening southward. Is there anyone out there that can do this.

It's difficult to get the whole story in one place but these three books give a good account between them
Full Meridian of Glory - Murdin
The Mapmakers Wife - Whitaker
Smoot's Ear - forget the author.

All written by mainstream science believers but give a good view of the science involved and the subterfuge too.

It is straight forward to account for elevation in plane survey , starting from a measured level baseline .