Forum Guidelines and Welcome Thread - Introduce Yourself

[Horstmatt]

Hello everyone,
I'm as of yet unconvinced of the substance of many of the claims being made here, and I would like to test my mainstream historical knowledge against the claims and evidence that some have posted here. I understand that many of the members here believe that they have a solid understanding of the mainstream narrative, but the arguments i have seen lead me to think otherwise. Mainstream history is not a dogmatic monolith, and I find that discarding all mainstream explanations on account of them being mainstream is far too convenient.
My goal here is not to troll or be disrespectful, and i will try to sources as many of my arguments properly, something which i do not see often.
Who knows, maybe i'll be proven wrong.

 

[codis]

I understand that many of the members here believe that they have a solid understanding of the mainstream narrative, but the arguments i have seen lead me to think otherwise. Mainstream history is not a dogmatic monolith, and I find that discarding all mainstream explanations on account of them being mainstream is far too convenient.

This is certainly correct. While the commoners are teached a simplified and monolithic version, there is controversy in almost all fields of science. One must dig for it, and dig into it. Not everybody is willing.
And there are theories that are currently taboo, and mean certain death of career if a scientist insists to go in that direction. Like the terrain theory (medicine), climate science, certain fields of physics (related to Einstein & relativity), and certainly history.
And there are certainly people who push more of a religiously biased narrative, and trolls that watch that we remain in our sandbox. There are not only enlightened saints here ...

 

[Whitewave]

Hello everyone,
I'm as of yet unconvinced of the substance of many of the claims being made here, and I would like to test my mainstream historical knowledge against the claims and evidence that some have posted here. I understand that many of the members here believe that they have a solid understanding of the mainstream narrative, but the arguments i have seen lead me to think otherwise. Mainstream history is not a dogmatic monolith, and I find that discarding all mainstream explanations on account of them being mainstream is far too convenient.
My goal here is not to troll or be disrespectful, and i will try to sources as many of my arguments properly, something which i do not see often.
Who knows, maybe i'll be proven wrong.

Are you in academia? We used to have (may still have) a thread entitled Ask an expert. I'm always interested in hearing both sides of any story/controversy so, if you are versed in the mainstream narrative of history, your contributions could help to clarify any misconceptions we may have.
I look forward to your perspectives. Welcome to the site.

 

[Horstmatt]

Hello everyone,
I'm as of yet unconvinced of the substance of many of the claims being made here, and I would like to test my mainstream historical knowledge against the claims and evidence that some have posted here. I understand that many of the members here believe that they have a solid understanding of the mainstream narrative, but the arguments i have seen lead me to think otherwise. Mainstream history is not a dogmatic monolith, and I find that discarding all mainstream explanations on account of them being mainstream is far too convenient.
My goal here is not to troll or be disrespectful, and i will try to sources as many of my arguments properly, something which i do not see often.
Who knows, maybe i'll be proven wrong.

Are you in academia? We used to have (may still have) a thread entitled Ask an expert. I'm always interested in hearing both sides of any story/controversy so, if you are versed in the mainstream narrative of history, your contributions could help to clarify any misconceptions we may have.
I look forward to your perspectives. Welcome to the site.

I am not accredited yet as i am still in university, but I do have access to far more academic material than most, I also have experience in dealing with authentic primary sources, I have also had the priviledge to work in a castle but that is somewhat unrelated. I don't know if that would qualify me for such a thread but i would be glad to answer any questions to the best of my ability.

 

[codis]

I also have experience in dealing with authentic primary sources, I have also had the priviledge to work in a castle but that is somewhat unrelated

I immediately associated Kammeier when reading this. Had you heard of him ?
But I guess you would need to read German language in "Fraktur" print.

I don't know if that would qualify me for such a thread but i would be glad to answer any questions to the best of my ability.

Any educated opinion is welcome. We have not introduced peer review here yet ...

 

[Horstmatt]

I immediately associated Kammeier when reading this. Had you heard of him ?
But I guess you would need to read German language in "Fraktur" print.

Kammeier was an interesting character but most of his claims can be verified or disproven using modern day empirical dating techniques.
For me the Fraktur font would not be the problem, but the German language itself would be. The primary documents i have been able to look at are mainly in French.

Any educated opinion is welcome. We have not introduced peer review here yet ...

Well i'll do my best if anyone has any questions

 

[codis]

I especially refer to his point that in fact all of the medieval documents (roughly before 1500) are copies.
Even mainstream historians acknowledge that, but never even think about it, let alone express any doubt.

It cannot be that medieval monastries, mostly populated by second/third sons of "noblemen", were forgery workshops, to retroactively justify criminal land grabs.
The donation of Constantin can of course not be fake either.

 

[JWW427]

Welcome all.
My friendly advice for brand new members?
Keep an open mind and trust your heart, your sixth sense, your gut feelings when perusing this erudite and well-conducted forum, for it is one of a kind. With those skills fired up you will probably discover more "truth" than what any mainstream school or book
will tell you. But this truth comes from within ourselves.

It's a sad rainy day when one finally discovers that we live in a world and reality constructed mostly of lies, distractions, and purposeful misdirection, but that takes years of self discovery and hard work. There are no shortcuts. To imagine that we have all been lied to by everyone in authority about most everything is a sobering, ego-deflating, 100% heartbreaking concept.

 

[Citezenship]

It's a sad rainy day when one finally discovers that we live in a world and reality constructed mostly of lies, distractions, and purposeful misdirection, but that takes years of self discovery and hard work. To imagine that we have all been lied to by everyone in authority about most everything is a sobering, ego-deflating, 100% heartbreaking concept.

This is so true, the enormity of it can be very overwhelming, the desire to swim back to the shore is very very strong at first!

 

[Knowledge Over Fear]

Hey guys, i was a member of the old forum and it fueled my awakening as to what is really going on with our (or)his-tory. I am grateful for such a resource and such like minded people. Glad to be back!.
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It's a sad rainy day when one finally discovers that we live in a world and reality constructed mostly of lies, distractions, and purposeful misdirection, but that takes years of self discovery and hard work. To imagine that we have all been lied to by everyone in authority about most everything is a sobering, ego-deflating, 100% heartbreaking concept.

This is so true, the enormity of it can be very overwhelming, the desire to swim back to the shore is very very strong at first!

I've definitely felt that before, once you realize the truth isn't what we've been told then starts the adventure of finding out what it actually was!

 

[Horstmatt]

I especially refer to his point that in fact all of the medieval documents (roughly before 1500) are copies.
Even mainstream historians acknowledge that, but never even think about it, let alone express any doubt.

It cannot be that medieval monastries, mostly populated by second/third sons of "noblemen", were forgery workshops, to retroactively justify criminal land grabs.
The donation of Constantin can of course not be fake either.

I'm unsure by what you mean by the acknowledging it but never thinking about it. I find that his belief that all documents from the period before 1500 to be not only extremely difficult to prove, but also proof of some form of ideological bias against Catholicism. While the Papacy did horrible things during the Middle Ages, the fact of the matter is that Medieval documents are very numerous and have a very wide variety of purposes, most of which would not be useful in Justifying shady Papal activites.
I am also unsure of why you put quatation marks around the word noblemen.
Are there other things that i have to pre-suppose in order to fully understand the scope of these claims? I find that engaging with the arguments that this community advocates is somewhat difficult due to the sheer quantity of layers of concessions that need to be made for arguments to work, and the fact that evidence is usually quite scattered. Is there anywhere i should start to familiarize myself more with the foundations of these hypotheses? I've heard that Korben Dallas' earliest post on Tartaria is a good place.
Lastly, I have trouble understanding why people on here, when finding "holes" in the mainstream narrative seem to refuse mainstream explanations for those perceived anomalies. In my experience with these theories, I have seen too many times people identifying contradictions in the mainstream narrative by taking extremely simplified understandings of mainstream historical arguments or pop culture misconceptions of history instead of actual Academic articles. Do you know why that is?
I have often found that these perceived contradictions and holes tend not to be holes or contradictions at all. But people seem to go with unjustified scepticism and say things like "That looks too fancy to be built by 17th century Frenchmen" instead of actual data and evidence.
Apologies if i'm offending anyone but my conversations with alternative history theorists all too often devolve into these sorts of situations.

 

[codis]

I find that his belief that all documents from the period before 1500 to be not only extremely difficult to prove, ...

Read Kammeier and the examples he cites.

I am also unsure of why you put quatation marks around the word noblemen.

Ditto.

... but also proof of some form of ideological bias against Catholicism.

That is equivalent to the "anti-Semite !" slur. Everyone not loving and obeying the "Holy Father" must hate catholics, right ?

I suppose you didn't notice my reference to the so-called donation of Constantine.

 

[dreamtime]

@codis @Horstmatt

Please continue this discussion elsewhere, this is the introduction thread.

 

[codis]

@codis @Horstmatt

Please continue this discussion elsewhere, this is the introduction thread.

Fraternal correction taken.
I just like to crush illusions, but I know discussions are mostly pointless and emotionally charged.
Everyone must come to his conclusions himself, and find his path himself.
Which information one ignores or discards on that way is up to himself, and will affect the destination.
I am still willing to learn, and content and happy with my life. This was not always so.

 

[ChowLeone]

Howdy ya’ll, I’m just a Burger Cowboy living in Kung Fu land and was a lurker of Dallas K’s now defunct site... some big cowboy thanks to the good folk that took up the torch... much needed.

 

[archangelclk]

I found the original forum wayback as I was doing some research. I recently checked and was disappointed that the old forum was taken down but happy to be back.

 

[noback]

Hello everyone, I was new to the site a couple of months before wayback took over, it's such a shame so much research has gone.

I really enjoyed reading about tartaria, old flags, the shape of the earth, the schuman resonance and history of Peru.

I will be more of a lurker than poster as I'm not the best at wording... there are some very intelligent and knowledgeable people on here and I look forward to reading.

 

[monkwee]

Hello to you my friends, new and old! I was somewhat of a regular at the old site with an occasional month between visits due to school and what not.

I imagine we all had similar confusion upon realizing the old site wasn't just lagging or w/e, but rather had been wiped, killed, erased, stolen.

I had made a few threads on the old site and still have the images and what not that I had included. I have yet to see if any of them were able to be salvaged but am ok if lost. Just means more research is needed. I appreciate the efforts of SH veterans to preserve the theories and progress of the community and am grateful to be a part of the new forum with all of you.

 

[Tianswraith]

Hi my name is Tian I am the founder of a Tartary group on Facebook and its about time I came did some real homework her ... my wife is up now so I'm outa time... next time God bless.

 

[air_dance]

Hello from Bulgaria. I will use the translator. I do not have scientific diplomas. I will explain many things in detail:
1. The Bible is the history of the Balkan Peninsula.
2. The land of Moses is Moesia (Serbia + Bulgaria).
3. Who really is Christ?
4. Why do the churches look to the west and the Vatican to Sofia?
5. What exactly do the names of cities and countries on our planet mean?
6. I will decode the whole Bible. City by city. Mountain by mountain. Ruler by ruler.
7. The flood is dated 05.10.1738 - 10.11.1738.
8. I will tell about Maria Nova arriving in Plovdiv (Bulgaria) according to documents from the Vatican. This is the Virgin Mary fleeing Armenia in the 10th century.
9. I will also tell how historians confused Armenia with Romania (Byzantium).
I will also tell you how a Bulgarian river gives the names of two continents. Today, the Maritsa River gives the name of the continent America. Maritsa's old name is Hebros. Hebros gives the name of Europe. The Poland Vladislav Varnenchik is fighting against the Ottoman Empire here in Bulgaria. I will also tell how his son became Christopher Columbus, and Vladislav's life was falsified by the Pope.