SH Archive Human Origins: Are We Hybrids?

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Username: Banta
Date: 2020-06-07 15:49:31
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Every one of us human beings has two minds. One is totally ours, and it is like a faint voice that always brings us order, directness, purpose, The other mind is a foreign installation. It brings us conflict, self-assertion, doubts, hopelessness: it's ourselves as the me-me center of the world....

...There is an explanation which is the simplest explanation in the world. They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators [type of inorganic being] rear us in human coops. Therefore, their food is always available to them...

...In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver -- stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now...

Carlos Castaneda's The Active Side of Infinity
 
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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-06-07 16:24:41
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I read Carlos Castaneda when I was younger, and it made a big impression on me. And that is an interesting quote.

However, I also suspect there is more to Carlos C. than we know. To paraphrase your quote, 'was his mind given to him?' it seems he set up a self-serving organisation, and left people in the lurch. Not by dying early, but in his daily actions.

This show made me rethink Carlos Castaneda, fwiw:
Talking Carlos Castaneda & Cults on The Melt

To engage with your idea here though (regardless of whether Carlos is a valid source in my opinion) I find the proposal plausible but unlikely. Worse, its unfalsifiable. How can one test or disprove that aliens/demons have given me their brain? Its interesting conjecture but I don't see it. I certainly haven't experienced it personally.

Your idea is at the other end of the scale to what Plamski is presenting and makes an interesting contrast. He presents evidence of unexplained material anomalies, which at least we can discuss objectively. I disagree with his conclusions too, which seems to be some sort of materialistic evolutionary story with a twist.

Anyway, I'm open to spiritual explanations, but I find that there is lots of objective evidence in front of me to be considered first.
 
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Username: plamski
Date: 2020-06-07 17:12:31
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It was aliens, extraterrestrials came here and made us as hybrids. They gave us myths of our origin to pacify and control us. That's "the mind" that Castaneda refers to. Basically, the evil rotten space invaders lied to us about our origin, got us all worried about after life so we would be good little slaves in this life. That, my friends, was the original con job.

This tremendous evil done to us by the “gods” is the real original sin.
 
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Username: Banta
Date: 2020-06-07 17:24:59
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I agree and this dynamic plays out in virtually all "received" information. I personally have tired of trying to assess personal motivations behind spiritual texts/channels. It's all murky. What is important, I think, is the information, provided one has the discernment to not get roped into "negative" subtexts potentially hidden within the messages or subsequent analyses.

A part of me agrees. Another part wonders if "objective" evidence is not just another illusion.

If you don't accept the existence of "inorganic" beings, then this is obviously very speculative. And the difficulty is that their very described nature is opposed to any sort of "objective" discovery. Is that truth or a convenient way to promote fantasy? I can't "prove" either way.

I would say, however, it appears that within our realm, it is "provable" that light operates at different frequencies. Deciding what that even "means" is the same discussion as "what is consciousness?"

There is nothing but mystery surrounding us that we've given names to in order to understand and deal with the enormity of it all. To me, that's the main thrust of the Castenada Don Juan books and it resonates with me on a deep level. I may be deluded and I don't believe any one source is "the truth" so I try on many different ideas. I like being about to quote passages about inorganic predator entities and also entertain my "Grandpa" being a pig/chimp. Perfectly inconsistent! (Which again, as the SRI Changing Images study alludes to, could be a goal by some to destroy rationalism. Seems right as well!)
Maybe? :)
 
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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-06-07 18:45:18
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I think we're all on the same page, but just different emphasis. Frankly would be good to catch up in person with you and work this all out!
 
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Username: Lilis
Date: 2020-06-08 15:12:34
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All religions, marxism, even medicine with DNA manipulations (Adan "first man"), are focused on hybridizing us. Jesus Christ is the nephilim that they want to create through us. They program us as if it had happened in the past (the son of "god" came here) to happen in the future. It´s only programation. That is why they are obsessed with total psychopathic control over us, not just money, power, that is a means to their objective, hybridization. Jesus Christ = Je suis (I am) Chris - crystal (crystallized/materialized light).
Artificial languages makes us incoherent, it does not resonate with us, it drives us crazy.
"God has created everything, everyone is from God, you are born from God, you die you go to God, ask to God, pray to God, pay to God... "
He is crazy, psychopathic! He wants to take control of our world, it is programming. If we give him our power he is powerful. Just so. We are god, only we don´t know because we are under the hypnosis.
Only we are creative beings, they want to hybridize us and they do it with all kinds of crazy tricks. We deceitfully create their reality, the one they seek.
That is why all humanity is under a kind of hypnosis. They have electromagnetically trapped our world. While they try they feed on our light-energy.
They are associated with reptiles, horns, androgyny...Eva (Eve) is egg - ovaries - evo-lution. Evo-lución.
They have a thousand names associated, gods, characters, that seem different but are the same, the same paradigm, hybridize us and come here to 3D. Imagine being an astral bug, how boring ...
You have seen images of the virgin with an egg in her hand, the easter egg ... why does she have an egg from an oviparous in her hand? She was a virgin but her ass was not. ? They are obsessed with ass, anal, etc. We live in a drako-mátrix.
Evo-Lución
Anguis fragilis - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
I think that in the past we had other ways to communicate (telepathy). The languages we use are artificial, for sure can-anal-yzed of these parasitic entities. Myth tower of Babel. Babel / papel / paper. We are bewitched beings living under a spell, an illusion, and it is not our paradigm it is against us.
Can is Khan dragon khan, Chang, Zen, King, etc. = Drako.
 
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Username: plamski
Date: 2020-06-08 18:56:56
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Lilis, wonderful post only I think we're already hybrids as we are unsuitable for the environment we find ourselves in. There are two many signs that we don't fit in. I don't want to repeat myself but you can find them in my previous posts.
 
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Username: Lilis
Date: 2020-06-08 19:10:19
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I think we have a base, let's say fixed, and a part that is configurable. I think free will it is a universal law, that is, they could hybridize us if we give our consent, if we create it, because only we are god, the source ... whatever you want to call it. So they are in a dead end, if they tell us the truth we will never accept, if they lie to us, thing the are doing, they infringe free will and in the end they will pay for this. I also notice that lately the soulless human shells here on earth serving these entities are lost, aimlessly, desperate, like they want to go much faster than usual and are making many mistakes.
I think its time is running out and what we are seeing is a wounded animal that knows that it will not come here in 3D. Wounded animals are dangerous.
Although I will review your messages calmly, I think that all those stories about we are hybridized is only programming, what they would like to be the reality.
I believe our world is this and always will be despite their attempts to make this "hell on earth". We have created that hell by falling into the spells, we can break the spell and recover what is ours.

I think all those stories of bible, religions, hybridization etc ... were in the past the same as today the futuristic dystopian series of Netfix. I believe that these astral beings are anything that is associated with god, aliens, cosmic race ... it is all the same, they have intervened our astral, sky, atmosphere, ourselves through language, waves, frequencies, etc. Astral parasites.

They are also physically replicated in the form of physical parasites, fungi, in our organism that are activated curiously by some waves / frequencies, etc. Heavy metals that they put into everything serve as "conductors".

Do you have noticed the energy that religious people, priests, etc. have? It is a heavy, gray energy, like a jellyfish, sticky... they are parasitized, they are human shells, biological containers of astral bugs.
 
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Username: ritch
Date: 2020-06-08 20:44:23
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Just a couple of things whilst I catch up, Pigs were often used at 'hotels/diners/caravanaserie' to condense the amount of shit to be got rid of, they also concentrated parasites, avoiding them at such places wasn't enough as there was always so much 'food' available that selling piglets for home fattening was another useful source of income.
I like the Aquatic ape hypothesis mainly because of two factors both reactions of the autonomic nervous system; 1, rapid heart beat unable to calm down? stick your head into/under cold water your heart will immediately slow; 2, menses flow ceases on entering water. I suspect that some women beach bums could have found food, kept themselves safe from predators and unwelcome mating opportunities once they'd learnt to swim. Persuading the kids to forage probably wasn't difficult, plus it may explain why women have subcutaeneus fat deposits. As far as hybridisation goes they could have travelled the coastlines of the world hybridising as they went, not to forget that when they did the human genome project they found that 'we' shared the same frontal lobe genes with dolphins, 'convergent evolution' they called it iirc.
 
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Username: plamski
Date: 2020-06-08 21:40:59
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ritch, I used to support the aquatic theory but it does not have an answer (as far as I know) to the biggest smoking gun - the 23 pairs of chromosomes. Any homo erectus with 46 chromosomes would not be able to reproduce. No 48 chromosome ancestor could successfully mate with a 46 and produce offspring. Explaining that takes an expanded awareness.
 
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Username: Lilis
Date: 2020-06-08 21:47:40
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They have by far less power and knowledge than they say. Their power above all is to make us believe that they are powerful and have everything under control. In the history of DNA there are many lies. If DNA exists imagine ... it would be in the apple seed, not in the meat. When they take a sample from your nose, they snot out with some group of (whatever) that may be personal at the micro and macro at race, area, etc ... but they get your DNA in your saliva/spit/skin..in your nose...honestly I don't think so. It's sounds ridiculous.
I think all science is basically a fraud, a lot of lies. GMOs do not exist, it is the technology of the 1960s to sterilize corn and soybeans, they re-baptized / patented it as GMO for $$$ but it was something that existed. If they really controlled genetics we would have vegetables, cereals, new animals ... that we don't have. They do tests, they try, but they are really stupid, they don't know how life works. Their greatest talent is cheating, fraud, spell, making us believe that ... they are powerfull and know "everything".
They are trapped in their own mousetrap. They wanted to trick to make us fools and now there are only fools.
 
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Username: ritch
Date: 2020-06-08 22:23:33
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plamski, not knowing how chromosones are lost I have no answer. What i suspect is that prolonged inbreeding may have resulted in a less stable genome, other factors like being born the runts of runts of runts for generations may have impacted more than just prolonging childhood features, and from what I understand 'we' are extremely immature chimps. Going back to the dolphin comment above I have wondered if the 'big heads' of Puma Punka that Brien Foerster is so interested in were a result of this hybridisation and that they in turn hybridised deliberately with some hominid to produce a more robust 'working class'.
On the hybrid question outside of the species, i suspect that this may have happened at times of catastrophe and the general chaos ensuing would give strange hybrids a window of opportunity to become established. If the aquatic apes were matriarchal groups then perhaps like others they expelled maturing males in groups to take their chances elsewhere, maybe some took strange chances.
I'm easy with evolution, dna is a complex ariel structure quite capable of tuning itself to the efforts of it's possesor thus making each species, and each speciation an artifact of it's own creation.
 
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Username: greatshakes
Date: 2020-06-10 19:23:38
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@Lilis, I find the idea that DNA is a hoax really appealing. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it were true. The Crick/Watson DNA discovery narrative has always sounded cooked-up to me, for example, and the ancestry DNA tests are understood to be a bit of a scam like so much in the genealogy realm. But do you have any hard evidence for the idea that DNA is a hoax, or could you expand on your comments about seeds/sterilization a little bit? Apologies if this question is a bit derailing, I find it extremely interesting. I did a forum search for the DNA hoax idea and couldn't seem to find any threads on it.
 
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Username: Lilis
Date: 2020-06-10 20:23:06
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I am not an expert. Common sense tells me that the purpose of fruit is to spread seeds.

Isolate DNA from cheek or spit seems to me a stupid idea, are bacterias, etc.. but DNA?

They also say 80% is junk DNA, this means 80% of your body is junk too? :ROFLMAO: All we have is there for a reason. There are no junk things, nothing left over, nothing missing.

We don´t have new fruits, vegetables or animals...Proof.

They only play with the seeds a little more advanced than my farmer grandfather. He had apple trees that gave two varieties of apples, he made grafts, he tried with pears and apples, it is impossible, nature has limits.

Science is a lie. All is a lie.

19th century science, repackaged as 'GMOs'

GMOs are an example of basic science being made more interesting with PR marketing.

One of the side effects of the 'GMO' seeds sold by Monsanto is that they produce plants with sterile seeds.

The narrative is that due to various side effects of the modification process, the seeds become sterile.

When you look deeper however, you find that the same result can be achieved using cytoplasmic male sterility, a breeding technique patented in the 1950s!

Cytoplasmic male sterility - Wikipedia

So Monsanto are using old technology to create useless seeds and then rebranding it as being 'new' in order make more money/mark up prices.

Fake DNA from FBI, just google it!

https://www.american.edu/spa/jpo/initiatives/right-to-counsel/upload/fbi.pdf
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2020-06-10 20:37:34
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Every scientist and archon seem awfully interested in making sure we all get DNA tested for it to be a hoax.
 
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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-06-11 06:11:09
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Apart from the aquatic ape theory, I just recollected another theory I heard, that explains the lack of hair on humans.

In the book 'born to run' the author (Chris Macdougal) suggests that the humans hunted prey by chasing them down over huge distances. The idea is that while deer, antelopes, etc are faster than humans, humans can keep on running, as they are able to cool their bodies as they go, by sweating. Animals don't sweat as we do, so, in a chase, if they are not given an opportunity to cool down they eventually overheat, have to stop and are caught. He provides some examples of cultures that still hunt like this, I think some Kenyan tribes, as well as a Mexican tribe that he thinks have kept the skill of running long distances.

So, according to that thesis, the hairlessness in humans is due to the fact that our skin allows us to sweat and keep cool, as we run for a protracted period of time (hours) to hunt. I thought this was a plausible theory at the time, and perhaps interesting to this conversation.
 
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Username: plamski
Date: 2020-06-11 11:17:51
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Here's a thought experiment. What if there are no human/plant cells and all are just ... bacteria?

This line of thought surely explains a lot of things. Humans for example are walking bacterial colonies. The different phenotypes represent different bacterial colonies. The mating is match between related/similar bacterial colonies. Women are said to be gate keepers of sex as their sense of smell is more enhanced than in men. They just smell the bacteria of the potential mate. Bacterial fermentation produces odour and it molds the fermenting colony, it makes it bubble i.e. makes it alive. We cannot detect or smell the DNA but we kiss and exchange saliva full of bacteria. Dis-eases are nothing but symptoms of bacterial disturbance. The so called immune system is a specilised bacterial colony (or army) that just makes sure only matching ones get to coexist in close proximity. The parental tests, for example, examine matching bacterial colonies to establish if the connection really did happen.

Life is fermentation. Bechamp discovered the little things from which all fermentation (life) stems from, the mircozymas. The cycle goes from dormant fermentation/death (inanimate matter) to lively fermentation/life (animated matter). When you "die" the warmth produced by fermentation dies out and you get transformed into inanimate "cold" matter. The hierarchy, if such word is appropriate, is by the level of heat/vibrations/radiation produced. But nothing can destroy the microzyma and stop the cycle. It's eternal.

This bacterial theory would explain how "life" came to this planet. Two hypothesis: 1. Specific mycrozyma got delivered here by a celestial travelling body or the mycrozyma was already here (and everywhere) and it started fermenting in water. Water is the main condition for the "life" in both scenarios!

The current war on bacteria through the "virus" hysteria is part of the trans-humanism movement which aims to sterilize the whole body and thus eliminate it. As Lilis above rightly pointed out, all the "genetic" experiments are in fact exercises in producing sterility. The current doctors and scientists are a bit more enlightened as they acknowledge that we are mostly bacteria. but it was not long ago when they thought that by sterilizing the gut they could eliminate all disease. But it seem our designers have exhausted the effectiveness of human beings as bacterial colonies so they want to transform us into "thinking" inanimate matter (machines).

The rise of the science of epigenetics (above the genome) acknowledges that the environment plays a role in the DNA expressions and thus shapes us the way we are. It is another half-truth but at least it's in the right direction.

So if there are no cells as we know them, that means that the idea of DNA needs to re-examined too.
 
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Username: Bunnyman
Date: 2020-06-11 12:45:14
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Since long I have held the view that any multiplication process of cells reveals the commonality of all things cycling through life spans at their own pace. There is however more to it as you hint at. Us animals for example seem to receive the pulse of life by metaphysical means well into the fetus bacteria form. There is an answer to that as well, but as far as I know few seem to understand that side. I don't.
 
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Username: plamski
Date: 2020-06-11 16:28:18
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If the news below is true, the hypothesis that we are a hybrid with unusual 23 pair of chromosomes created by the Anunnaki just got a boost.

150 human animal hybrids grown in UK labs: Embryos have been produced secretively for the past three years
150 human animal hybrids grown in UK labs: Embryos have been produced secretively for the past three years

British Scientists Have Secretly Created More Than 150 Human-Animal Hybrids
 
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Username: greatshakes
Date: 2020-06-12 00:00:35
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I love this. I have to admit I'm not the most knowledgeable about these things, but to me as a layperson, DNA and -- sure, why not -- epidemiology and possibly all of cellular biology has a weird, culty, fantasy vibe to it. The pictures of cells, DNA helixes, and viruses look like they were produced in the same studio that draws the cartoons of planets and galaxies. If it weren't for specialist instruments, like those fancy microscopes and telescopes nobody but the "experts" seems to have access to, I would think we were dealing with religious revelations, not empirical observations. Outer space and inner space may two sides of the same fiat currency.
 
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