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Why is that? I've eaten meat raw before and I know people who eat raw meat, both personally and on the internet. There are some people who only eat raw meat too. So why do we cook? Simply because we can. The other carnivores cannot create fire/ovens so they are forced to eat their meat raw (except when a forest fire occurs and then they are able to feast on the cooked remains). Cooking meat has a trade-off between the water-soluble nutrients lost to cooking and the denaturing of amino acids, in which the denaturing of amino acids makes it easier to absorb into our bloodstream; so it's the best idea to eat your nutrient-dense organs raw (so that you get all the micro-nutrients) and to cook the protein-dense muscle meat (so that you can absorb most of the protein). I do have to note that our stomach acid is able to denature amino acids, which is why lower carnivores such as felines and canines are able to absorb protein in the first place; but you get the most bang for your buck protein-wise if you cook it.We certainly can't eat meat raw.
Huh. I did not know that.Why is that? I've eaten meat raw before and I know people who eat raw meat, both personally and on the internet. There are some people who only eat raw meat too. So why do we cook? Simply because we can. The other carnivores cannot create fire/ovens so they are forced to eat their meat raw (except when a forest fire occurs and then they are able to feast on the cooked remains). Cooking meat has a trade-off between the water-soluble nutrients lost to cooking and the denaturing of amino acids, in which the denaturing of amino acids makes it easier to absorb into our bloodstream; so it's the best idea to eat your nutrient-dense organs raw (so that you get all the micro-nutrients) and to cook the protein-dense muscle meat (so that you can absorb most of the protein). I do have to note that our stomach acid is able to denature amino acids, which is why lower carnivores such as felines and canines are able to absorb protein in the first place; but you get the most bang for your buck protein-wise if you cook it.
I can see how his hypothesis has merit given the very reasonable explanation based on valid evidence. However, he is excluding the possibility of a third (or maybe more) genetic donors. His proposition for a large brain and the bipedal ability is highly questionable.
I can see how his hypothesis has merit given the very reasonable explanation based on valid evidence. However, he is excluding the possibility of a third (or maybe more) genetic donors. His proposition for a large brain and the bipedal ability is highly questionable.
Fwiw, I absolutely think there is a third party involved that undertook the engineering, and at least one other species involved in the mix. The site and the evidence it presents is useful as a baseline or platform for further speculation.*Note: I merged this thread with a previous one by OP ("Strange Things About Humans Everybody Just Ignores"*
There's a strange discrepancy between our past, and our biological nature.
People clearly remember a "Golden Age" type of past. And even in the Renaissance paintings, this past was still alive in the form of an ideal to strive for.
The climate probably was extremely stable, nature was lush. Basically, there was no fight for survival at all. The bible also implies that even animals were friendly and not killing other animals or humans.
Technically, there are two options. Either humans were genetically changed by more advanced entities, or the Fall was due to a change in environment, and the changing nature of humans was due to an adaption to the environment.
The spiritual struggle, the foundation of our religions, seems to result from this discrepancy between our current biology, and our spiritual nature. There's a part in ourselves that wants to reach higher to god, and a part that wants to identify with the material animalistic world.
This duality could be explained either by genetic manipulation, or by a slow and subtle devolution within a world that requires aggression and survival tactics.
Over the course of 1,000 years, many things in the human organism can change in extreme ways, as the organism adapts to the environment, so a lot of the changes could be simply due to humans living in the context of fight for survival for hundreds of years.
The Hybrid hypothesis makes a lot of sense, and it's hard to argue against the logic. I wonder whether something else could account for the genetic similarity though.
Since religions speak of rulers with more advanced powers than normal humans, a genetic manipulation seems more likely than merely a slow change over time. The latter probably also happened, but wasn't as dramatic.
I was skimming through this "rebuttal" of the Hybrid Hypothesis by one of those Sceptics and it contains some valid criticism why a natural process doesn't make sense. (A pig mating with a chimpanzee, and then one of those takes care of the offspring, and later the offspring mates with each other and so forth).
An artificial process (the ancient gods changing our DNA) resolves the issues with the hypothesis, including brain size. If someone combined the original human DNA with pig DNA, in the context of advanced technological knowledge and abilities, they would have created hundreds of thousands of new humans at once and populate the earth in many different regions at once, to ensure survival.
Basically, there was no fight for survival at all.
If someone combined the original human DNA with pig DNA, in the context of advanced technological knowledge and abilities, they would have created hundreds of thousands of new humans at once and populate the earth in many different regions at once, to ensure survival.
Detail from the above, also with tungsten hue removed:his executioner, in the centre of the scene, is rather clearer. He has the grotesquely exaggerated facial features commonly found in paintings of the torture or execution of Christ and the saints, with a prominent nose and huge jutting chin.


Two outstanding traits have been noted repeatedly for this group. One is the protruding and massive chin often with prominent bilateral protrusions (*The Adena People*, Webb and Snow, 1959, p. 37). The second trait is the large size of many of the males and some of the females. A male of six feet was common and some individuals approaching seven feet in height have been found...
Webb and Snow suggested the possibility of "sexual and social selection" being factors in the development of the large-chinned Adena type.
...selective breeding would be assiduously practiced, and for several good reasons. The main purpose could have been the creation of a guardian or warrior class made up of physically superior men and women.



The initial mating happens between two species (usually by rape) and a viable hybrid is occasionally born. This hybrid would then breed exclusively with the species raising it, never crossbreeding again.
I spent a lot of time reading McCarthy's hypothesis and website. He has stories, drawings and photos of any type of combination of animal with humans and with each other that you can imagine. Crosses of different types of animals with humans are documented more frequently than you would think. And how many more aren't documented?Wouldn't this need to happen multiple times (succesfully) to make a difference? Like 1000 or 10,000 times. I guess we would still see this happening all the time in areas where apes and pigs live, but I haven't heard of such reports.
I like your thinking with the jutting chin. It does appear a lot in that first generation of hybrids. I think that the chin rounded off as the backcrossing developed humanoids.Dreamtime said:
This experience of life is characteristic of farmed stock.
Thus seeding the story of 'Manna from Heaven'.
The conceptual trap humans can escape - though it takes time and effort - is to appreciate that 'human history' may have been cobbled together from the physical remains and documents of some other beneficiary's past. Gross reworking of evidence, plus the creation of a great deal of new evidence and explanatory 'history' is very findable. The signposts are mudflood, the Deluge, ruins that are physically inconsistent with narrative and 'science', etc, etc.
It's very possible the whole human environment was created in one go a few hundred years during the resetting of a previous system. Perhaps after the flushing and restocking of a food and labour production machine. Convincing humans of this would be like trying to convince yeast that their world is a vat in a brewery that is merely part of a supplier's logistical chain that is merely part of a much larger... endeavour.
Anyway...
If I recall correctly, McCarthy also points out that human-animal hybrids often have jutting chins.
From his MacroEvolution website, 2. The Other Parent, the next three images should be animated gifs. If not animating, click on the 'source' link to see the chins properly:
This tendency for hybrids to have jutting chins is intriguing because many 'caricatures' of 'human' executioners, butchers and elite of the past also depict a jutting chin.
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Pig-human hybrid. Source
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Water buffalo-human hybrid. Source
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Sheep-human hybrid. Source
From Medieval Wall Painting in the English Parish Church: Chalfont St Giles, Buckinghamshire:
Detail from the above, also with tungsten hue removed:
We see it in caricatures of 'Dr Syntax', who I suspect is based on the John Byng of The Torrington Diaries:
And:
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Three Edinburgh Bucks. Source: A series of original portraits and caricature etchings
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Skulls of American Adena giant elite. Source: probably The Adena People, Snow and Webb via Giants and Ancient North American Warfare
Quoting Don Dragoo from Giants and Ancient North American Warfare:
Given the oddness around what is easily available from Webb and Snow's The Adena People and what is not (see below), I presume we're being guided to associate these chins with a warder/guard/stock-manager class. Perhaps they were cowboys in more than just the orthodox sense.
Anyway, jutting chins show up in more fanciful imagery - and then again - perhaps not so fanciful:
View attachment 26335In general, these jutting chinned images show up in a martial context; imagery that, from a human point of view, involves killing or 'bad stuff'.
Loki. Source
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Old Edinburgh Guard. Source: Reminiscences of Old Edinburgh, Vol II
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Devil playing cards per post 118032
I'm not saying there is a proven connection. We should also note that the Adena and Dragoo material cited here is archived as borrow-only, despite being old, and that The Torrington Diaries were published in approx 1934 and again in 1958. Which makes them suspect as sources. We should suspect all digital content too.
However, there seems to be a possible correlation and it may be worth flagging here if you see more examples of it.
Similarly, there seems to be a long nose connection with these entities and with imagery of blemiya overseeing humans as the humans do farm labour work. That's what the Edinburgh Old Guard image may be showing.
Thanks for that extra evidence.I like your thinking with the jutting chin. It does appear a lot in that first generation of hybrids. I think that the chin rounded off as the backcrossing developed humanoids.
But then if a group of humans later inbred, this recessive trait of a sharp chin could get re-accentuated. Like in the people you showed. Or the famous Hapsburg chin from that inbred family.

Maybe one of HG Wells' other 'fictional' characters - Dr Moreau (who I understand lived in Cheltenham) - was creating strange brews with stem cells in Roman baths.Seeing this list, of medieval animals
Medieval Bestiary : Beasts
made me think of this thread. Its interesting to me to hear these odd descriptions of animals: eg the ant-lion!
Medieval Bestiary : Beasts : Ant-lion
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A flying man flew from the top of the castle of Newcastle into Bailiff-gate, and after that he made an ass fly down, by which several accidents happened, for the weights tied to the ass's legs knocked down several, bruised others in a dreadful manner, and killed a girl on the spot. — Newc, Cour.
1735 October - A child of James and Elizabeth Leesh, of Chester-le-Street, was played for at cards, at the sign of the Salmon, one game, four shillings against the child, by Henry and John Trotter, Robert Thomson and Thomas Ellison, which was won by the latter, and delivered to him accordingly.
1735 (July 20). — Being Sunday, Ann Flower, of a very creditable
family in Northallerton, perverted by her husband, Francis Flower,
formerly a supervisor of Sunderland, but upon his turning quaker,
discharged ; went, in the time of divine service, to the great con-
sternation and confusion of the congregation, or, as she termed it,
assembly, into the church, at the latter place, and, though cautioned,
nay positively forbid by the rector to dare to talk, or, as they call it,
speak in the church, did, however, upon the conclusion of the church
service, begin to hold forth. The rector, without further remonstrance,
than, that it was the apostles' command, that a woman should not be
suffered to teach in the church, directly led her out, thereby preventing
a mob from cooling her frenzy in a neighbouring brick pond, which
they began to threaten, though she said she was sent by the spirit. - Local Papers
They were not only residents of the Holy Roman Empire, they were the Emperors!Thanks for that extra evidence.
Can you cite the sources for the images? I want to check identities, time and location for the portrayed and identities of the painters. I want to see if in time and place, they were considered to be inhabitants of the the Holy Roman Empire. Also, what details, if any, are available of the circumstances of the sittings.
Here's the source, navigation tabs are at very bottom of each page.Two outstanding traits have been noted repeatedly for this group. One is the protruding and massive chin often with prominent bilateral protrusions (Webb and Snow, 1959, p. 37). The second trait is the large size of many of the males and some of the females. A male of six feet was common and some individuals approaching seven feet in height have been found ... Not only were these Adena people tall, but also the massiveness of the bones indicates powerfully built individuals. The head was generally big with a large cranial capacity.
Well, I will try to answer briefly what I know.It's time we started asking the tough questions.
1. Where do we come from? If we are solely primates, why does our body accept organs from pigs? Transplanting organs from pigs to humans | Science Immunology
2. Why don't human females find human males attractive? How have we not gone extinct? Is this why the obsession with controlling female sexuality exists? Attraction Inequality and the Dating Economy
3. Why do we have no natural defense against solar radiation? Why can't we drink fresh water or eat natural foods?
4. Why do humans live in places that are absolutely freezing? Who's insane ancestors decided to settle in Finland or Scandinavia? Or were these places once much warmer?
5. Why do we tend to find the offspring of other animals cuter than our own? It’s official, puppies and kittens are cuter than humans In addition, why are humans unusually violent towards their own offspring?When it Comes to Public Discipline, Humans Aren't 'Great' Apes.
6. In general, why is is that humans find it difficult to find a "natural habitat" or to know what their own natural behaviors are? While most species are either monogamous or polygamous, we exhibit both behaviors, along with an alarming level of promiscuity.
I wouldn't say i have any answers to all of this however i would like to add my opinion to these questions.It's time we started asking the tough questions.
1. Where do we come from? If we are solely primates, why does our body accept organs from pigs? Transplanting organs from pigs to humans | Science Immunology
2. Why don't human females find human males attractive? How have we not gone extinct? Is this why the obsession with controlling female sexuality exists? Attraction Inequality and the Dating Economy
3. Why do we have no natural defense against solar radiation? Why can't we drink fresh water or eat natural foods?
4. Why do humans live in places that are absolutely freezing? Who's insane ancestors decided to settle in Finland or Scandinavia? Or were these places once much warmer?
5. Why do we tend to find the offspring of other animals cuter than our own? It’s official, puppies and kittens are cuter than humans In addition, why are humans unusually violent towards their own offspring?When it Comes to Public Discipline, Humans Aren't 'Great' Apes.
6. In general, why is is that humans find it difficult to find a "natural habitat" or to know what their own natural behaviors are? While most species are either monogamous or polygamous, we exhibit both behaviors, along with an alarming level of promiscuity.
Seeing this list, of medieval animals
Medieval Bestiary : Beasts
made me think of this thread. Its interesting to me to hear these odd descriptions of animals: eg the ant-lion!
Medieval Bestiary : Beasts : Ant-lion
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