Note: This post was recovered from the Sh.org archive.Username: igneousDate: 2020-08-19 02:20:08Reaction Score: 1
I'm back at it! Looking for the structures in the OP. Nothing definitive but perhaps a few leads. Does anyone know Spanish?
Let's review:
Below we have a Map of Mexico, Map of Area we are talking about in this post, and a physical map of Mexico. It's interesting how Central Mexico looks like it is folded over, in terms of geology? This probably contributes to the many pockets of silver, gold, lead, mercury and other mined items.
Central Mexico seems to be a magical mystical place. And ancient. The mining towns that are pertinent to this thread, all run in a line starting just southwest of San Luis Potosi, all the way up to Real de Catorce. You can run your finger up and down that middle spine and it's all mines. The whole area is absolutely loaded. How loaded, you ask? I cannot tell you current numbers but:
Millions upon millions maybe even billions.
It should also be noted that central mexico has a little bit of Pangea in it. Yes, THAT Pangea.
There are so many companies competing in this area RIGHT NOW. Some of the mines are not as fruitful as they were in the 1800's but with modern technology, geologists can better find the veins of silver or gold and miners can locate & work new mines, especially those in remote areas. Here is a small list of the some of the mines. My next project is to explore them individually to see what I can find.
I found a lot of technical pdf reports that looked like this:
It's been a while since I've posted on this thread, so I needed to go back and get a refresher before compiling this all together. There's a lot more, too but I think this is a not-overwhelming amount of info. To be quite frank, the whole area just eludes me. Due to the many different names of one place, along with the addition of new names (in English, Spanish and Indigenous), I found it hard to figure out what was where. To that end, some of the photos I am including are the result of me staring at maps and looking at surrounding towns in order to pull out more info on the possibility of A Grand Estate, In the earth, In a Cave. Buried or built there on purpose? I have no hypothesis on that yet.
To the Internet! And look at this - Holy cow! $580 Dollars for this book! Let's go to the free descriptions:
(P.S. I found the book and it really isn't anything above and beyond what has already been talked about, at great length)
Wikipedia Version - More Contemporary
It should be noted that in addition to the First Majestic Silver Co. (current owners of the mine), this area is also coveted by the Catholics and the Huichol peoples, an indigenous peoples that believe this area is the center of the not just the earth, but the entire universe. Every year they walk a specific path and perform a ceremony with Peyote. Sadly, "Drug Tourism" is alive and well and some of the younger Huichol will take tourists there for a little extra money.
Here below we can see the Catholic . . . I'm not real sure what to call that sprawling and bizarre structure and the Huichol, in their traditional costume, making their way up the mountain.
Nearby is another important church but it is way different than architecture we see here. Overhead it looks like a cross. With a funky tower. What is going on with that Tower? So strange.
The Ruins of an abandoned place of worship in Real de Catorce:
The one thing that really strikes you when you look at photos of this place, is the crazy and intense architecture. For example:
What is even happening here? I do not know. But every single town mentioned above (in the black box) has architecture just like this. If you go west or east, it changes a bit, but Central Mexico has amazing ancient structures, aqueducts, bridges and temples.
One gets the feeling that these two guys, sitting on a ledge, have discovered this place that their ancestors did not create. Again, it is my theory that there is another culture that is completely missing from the timeline and/or has been obscured and folded in whitewashed history, twisted much like the geography of the area.
The style is not completely consistent due to flux of societies from the 1700's to the present. If we draw a line on a chart, representing "extreme activity", there would be a spike in the 1800's when it was "discovered", a spike in the 1900's "oh wow I forgot about that place, let's go back, and lastly, a current spike, brought on by technological advances that have allowed for further exploration and mining. I personally believe there was also a peak prior to the mid 1700's and that some of these buildings we are seeing were built by a forgotten peoples, one not mentioned in Wikipedia. They built an eden in the mountains and then mysteriously disappear. Indigenous people, after a time, began inhabiting the ruins and then we have the Europeans coming in and building THEIR fancy buildings which seem to try to mimic the original structures but they aren't the same. There is a gravitas to these older buildings that is really quite magnificent. If you couldn't tell, I'm quite smitten. But moving on . . .
Choo-Choo! Get your Ticket and climb on board, we are going to go through the Ogarrio Tunnel which is 2 km and we will come out into the village of Real de Catorce!
Sadly, there is no constructed arch to celebrate our arrival like in olden times:
We walk around the environs for a little bit, taking in the beauty:
OK, time to get back to business. Let's go into the mines. They are Minas de: Milagros, San Augustin, Concepcion, Santa Ana and the Luz Silver Mine Project.
Well. The first 4 mines are closed down. You cannot go into them. There seems to be extremely limited information about them, given the extreme amount of wealth and industry they created.
Behold, the only pic (sadly) I could find on the Santa Ana Mine. This picture made my jaw drop a bit. What do you think is going on there? Is it a natural space? A carved space? It's so smooth and regular.
Huh. This is a bit anti-climatic. There's really nothing else to go over . . . I could find nothing new on the Luz Silver Project at Real de Catorce. Other than what has already been shared. I saw a few sites with some nice tourist pics but none that add anything unique to the conversation.
Let's go off topic just a little bit to see if we can track back to an answer on the history (which seems to be disputed) of Real de Catorce and if it contains a cavern with another structure inside, one that is ancient and buried!
We are going to slide south a little bit.
Below are some photos that are mostly of Valencia, there may be a Potosi or other stray one in there - the remarkable thing that I've discovered is that the really nice mines (like Real de Catorce) all look the same. The walls are regular. The ceilings are high. There is so much brickwork. I believe these pictures contribute to the theory that there is a history of some kind that is being obscured, maybe even one with global implications. In my next post, about the Bucegi Mountains, I am going to expound upon this.
Another weird church. Check out that tower!!
Here is something else that I think ties into all of this.
I was curious . . . how do they make a mine these days in mexico?
Here's the answer but where's the brick? Where's the fanciness? Why isn't there a Moor-inspired door that looks like something out of a fairy tale?
While looking at mining methods, I came across this . . . the corresponding document is in Spanish but I get the feeling that it was discovered, not created. Discovered by the miners. I keep thinking that the people that go underground probably know some of these secrets but don't talk about them.
From there, hold on to your hat because we are going to Spain. How is that we are choosing to go there? I think the pictures will answer that question but in case it isn't clear - it looks a lot like there was something that existed IN the mine before the mine was a mine. Got it? This is the Lujar mine.
But, it has been pointed out the the structures could be built by the miners, structures above ground to assist those below. That last picture though . . .
The use of the word "compliant" is interesting on the second map.
As often happens when you are looking things up - you find related items that are not super specific to the topic but interesting and thought provoking enough to share. These photos are from the American Miners Association. It's a 1989 publication with a lot of photos. I thought the first photo was particular intriquing. Look how straight that edge is. Might not be meaningful, might just be cleavage of stone.
You will note that there is a green dot on this photo. It's a badly drawn arrow to the man hanging from the rope. Pictures like this remind us that the ground beneath our feet is far from "solid". It has all kinds of nooks and crannies, some of them enormous.
At this point I hit a dead end.
The only thing I have confirmed, I think, is that there is "something" in those central mexican mines.
Also, it was saddening to read about all the current Mineral Companies just wreaking havoc, all up and down the middle of Mexico. One gets the feeling that the respect for the real history of the place is not there. They don't care - they just want to make money.
Lastly, here are the sideways things I found while assembling this post:
A random photo? I couldn't figure out where this place is - I don't even know if it is in North America. The $2,000 was next to it, like advertising a sale but there was no way to make a sale? It was all very odd - perhaps it is just a series of dead links, no longer relevant.
This man seems to be of some importance to mexican history. I thought it amusing/concerning that he is surrounded by Lion Cubs. Concerning because . . . what happens when they grow up?
Another thing that came up - I do think it's in Mexico but could not find exact location. Looks like a very very old structure, no?
And finally, we have a map of underground peoples that lived in Real de Catorce (when it didn't even really have a name). I do not know the veracity of this document, I have included the source.
Finally, and in conclusion, there is definitely more to the story when one is talking about the history of Mexico. Some of what was built seems impossible, improbably - even! Not possible given the historically accepted trajectory of the history of Central Mexico and in particular the Potosi chain of mines that are nestled in the mountains, still showering down riches to this day.
Possible Links of Interest slightly beyond the topic:
Magical Towns!? I'll bet all these towns have some fascinating architecture and enigmatic histories!
List of "Magical Towns" in Mexico
Caving is nothing new to Mexico:
12,000 Year old Cave in Mexico That Has Been "Worked"
The Title says it all:
A Paper in Spanish That I Can't Read but Might be Important LINK DOES NOT WORK AM LOOKING FOR IT IN A DIFFERENT PLACE
I downloaded pdf and then uploaded it to article, see below!
Topical:
"Between the Earth & Sky" - A Book I Can't Find
In case you haven't had enough after reading the whole thread in its entirety:
Lots of Really Good Pics of Real de Catorce
and then: 
