SH Archive Latin Language: alternate translation

[Mick Harper]

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Username: Mick Harper
Date: 2020-03-03 14:43:53
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Those are 2 specific references, to Lazio and Hebrew. How do you come to that?

Lazio is the area around Rome. I cited Hebrew as a purely literary language that can be spoken. Perhaps Esperanto would have been a better example.

In fact Latin, as they said, is a dialect of the languages spoken in Italy. Portuguese and Spanish are derivations of Latin. Many words are practically the same.

The most cursory examination of Latin will tell you it is not a 'dialect' of anywhere. It is obviously artificial. Portuguese and Spanish are not derived from Latin. Latin is derived from them (or at any rate the closely related language of Italian).

 

[EUAFU]

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Username: EUAFU
Date: 2020-03-03 14:58:52
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Lazio is the area around Rome. I cited Hebrew as a purely literary language that can be spoken. Perhaps Esperanto would have been a better example.

The most cursory examination of Latin will tell you it is not a 'dialect' of anywhere. It is obviously artificial. Portuguese and Spanish are not derived from Latin. Latin is derived from them (or at any rate the closely related language of Italian).

It may really be that. Latin is a language created on the basis of several and sold as a predecessor.

 

[Mick Harper]

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Username: Mick Harper
Date: 2020-03-03 15:25:03
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created on the basis of several

True enough. The Latin alphabet is an adaptation of the one used by the Classical Greeks (another artificial language). The general conception is borrowed from the Phoenicians (the clue is in the name) and the need is (probably) because they wanted to break away from the Etruscans.

and sold as a predecessor.

Again true enough. It is assumed all these literary shorthands were originally trading languages, a bit reminiscent of Swahili, pigin English, Mandarin and so forth. Latin itself gave rise to one, it would seem, Dog Latin.

 

[Archive]

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2020-03-04 01:44:05
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Following is sort of summation of what has been discussed, I think.

 

[Archive]

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Username: margarita
Date: 2020-03-08 05:34:59
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In older texts it was Czar before it was changed to Tsar. Czar and Caesar have the same pronunciation.

• Czar vs. Tsar

interesting! and in Russian Caesar is red /'tsezar/ and it's written in the Russian Wiki that 'autentical pronunciacion is close to Kaisar' whatever they meant by that.
BTW in Russian we also have the word кесарь pronounced \kesar\ with the meaning 'king, lord, overlord' derived from the same word into slavic languages.
my point is that there maybe was only one language before. then came Babylon and we were devided into plenty of different speaking nations.

 

[Archive]

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Username: nanuko
Date: 2020-03-08 09:37:25
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The most cursory examination of Latin will tell you it is not a 'dialect' of anywhere. It is obviously artificial. Portuguese and Spanish are not derived from Latin. Latin is derived from them (or at any rate the closely related language of Italian).

suggest this link
we don't come from latin

Extract: Google translated
"...If the Romance languages derived from Latin as breasts have said, they would separate from each other but maintain a clear linguistic relationship with the mother. However, what we find is just the opposite: Romance languages share the same linguistic typology and closely resemble each other, arriving at identical convergent solutions that show a break with Latin. Vulgar Latin, understood as a unitary language derived from the Latin from which the romances would derive, did not exist. What we find is always classic Latin written with better or worse mastery. We could compare it to what is happening today with English, the language of global communication used by science and international trade: not all users speak it correctly and that does not mean that there is a "vulgar English"; there is well spoken English and
many other types of badly spoken English..."

 

[Mick Harper]

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Username: Mick Harper
Date: 2020-03-08 11:09:04
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I may be doing Carme Jimenez Huertas an injustice but this appears to be a rehash of pp 114 - 120 of Chapter 3, Tales of Romance from my book The History of Britain Revealed.

 

[Archive]

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2020-03-08 14:22:00
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In another thread somebody was using ‘text writing’. Awhile back at work we started getting resumes in text writing. It did not go over well. But perhaps this shows languages changing. I know my writing/grammar etc. skills have deteriorated.