Mormon Takeover of the West and Why

[trismegistus]

First of all I want to thank you @Starfire for doing a great job researching and posting your findings and summarizations here. As my own thoughts on history have become more focused on early America I strongly believe this Mormon story is an integral part of the tapestry. As you are finding it is difficult to determine what is real and what is forgery when it comes to this tight lipped group.

One thing I have been meaning to discuss here is the existence and veracity of the "Salamander Letter". I first learned about it on a netflix documentary a few years ago - the main topic being the forging of the Salamander letter by a Mormon seeking recognition that eventually led to a few gruesome bombings. However like any good stolen history topic: how much of this story of the Salamander Letter is real, is a forgery, or potentially even a false story about a forgery with some nuggets of truth in it. Here is the letter in its entireity:

Palmyra October 23d 1830

Dear SirYour letter of yesterday is received & I hasten to answer as fully as I can—Joseph Smith Jr first come to my notice in the year 1824 in the summer of that year I contracted with his father to build a fence on my property in the corse [sic] of that work I approach Joseph & ask how it is in a half day you put up what requires your father & 2 brothers a full day working together he says I have not been with out assistance but can not say more only you better find out the next day I take the older Smith by the arm & he says Joseph can see any thing he wishes by looking at a stone Joseph often sees Spirits here with great kettles of coin money it was Spirits who brought up rock because Joseph made no attempt on their money I latter [sic] dream I converse with spirits which let me count their money when I awake I have in my hand a dollar coin which I take for a sign Joseph describes what I seen in every particular says he the spirits are grieved so I through [sic] back the dollar in the fall of the year 1827 I hear Joseph found a gold bible I take Joseph aside & he says it is true I found it 4 years ago with my stone but only just got it because of the enchantment the old spirit come to me 3 times in the same dream & says dig up the gold but when I take it up the next morning the spirit transfigured himself from a white salamander in the bottom of the hole & struck me 3 times & held the treasure & would not let me have it because I lay it down to cover over the hole when the spirit says do not lay it down Joseph says when can I have it the spirit says one year from to day if you obay [sic] me look to the stone after a few days he looks the spirit says bring your brother Alvin Joseph says he is dead shall I bring what remains but the spirit is gone Joseph goes to get the gold bible but the spirit says you did not bring your brother you can not have it look to the stone Joseph looks but can not see who to bring the spirit says I tricked you again look to the stone Joseph looks & sees his wife on the 22d day of Sept 1827 they get the gold bible—I give Joseph $50 to move him down to Pa Joseph says when you visit me I will give you a sign he gives me some hieroglyphics I take then to Utica Albany & New York in the last place Dr Mitchel gives me an introduction to Professor Anthon says he they are short hand Egyption [sic] the same what was used in ancient times bring me the old book & I will translate says I it is made of precious gold & is sealed from view says he I can not read a sealed book—Joseph found some giant silver spectacles with the plates he puts them in an old hat & in the darkness reads the words & in this way it is all translated & written down—about the middle of June 1829 Joseph takes me together with Oliver Cowdery & David Whitmer to have a view of the plates our names are appended to the book of Mormon which I had printed with my own money—space and time both prevent me from writing more at present if there is any thing further you wish to inquire I shall attend to itYours RespectMartin Harris

From Secret Teachings of All Ages, Manly P. Hall:

The third group of elementals is the salamanders, or spirits of fire, who live in that attenuated, spiritual ether which is the invisible fire element of Nature. Without them material fire cannot exist; a match cannot be struck nor will flint and steel give off their spark without the assistance of a salamander, who immediately appears (so the mediæval mystics believed), evoked by friction. Man is unable to communicate successfully with the salamanders, owing to the fiery element in which they dwell, for everything is resolved to ashes that comes into their presence. By specially prepared compounds of herbs and perfumes the philosophers of the ancient world manufactured many kinds of incense. When incense was burned, the vapors which arose were especially suitable as a medium for the expression of these elementals, who, by borrowing the ethereal effluvium from the incense smoke, were able to make their presence felt.

The salamanders are as varied in their grouping and arrangement as either the undines or the gnomes. There are many families of them, differing in appearance, size, and dignity. Sometimes the salamanders were visible as small balls of light. Paracelsus says: "Salamanders have been seen in the shapes of fiery balls, or tongues of fire, running over the fields or peering in houses." (Philosophia Occulta, translated by Franz Hartmann.)

Mediæval investigators of the Nature spirits were of the opinion that the most common form of salamander was lizard-like in shape, a foot or more in length, and visible as a glowing Urodela, twisting and crawling in the midst of the fire. Another group was described as huge flaming giants in flowing robes, protected with sheets of fiery armor. Certain mediæval authorities, among them the Abbé de Villars, held that Zarathustra (Zoroaster) was the son of Vesta (believed to have been the wife of Noah) and the great salamander Oromasis. Hence, from that time onward, undying fires have been maintained upon the Persian altars in honor of Zarathustra's flaming father.

One most important subdivision of the salamanders was the Acthnici. These creatures appeared only as indistinct globes. They were supposed to float over water at night and occasionally to appear as forks of flame on the masts and rigging of ships (St. Elmo's fire). The salamanders were the strongest and most powerful of the elementals, and had as their ruler a magnificent flaming spirit called Djin, terrible and awe-inspiring in appearance. The salamanders were dangerous and the sages were warned to keep away from them, as the benefits derived from studying them were often not commensurate with the price paid. As the ancients associated heat with the South, this corner of creation was assigned to the salamanders as their drone, and they exerted special influence over all beings of fiery or tempestuous temperament. In both animals and men, the salamanders work through the emotional nature by means of the body heat, the liver, and the blood stream. Without their assistance there would be no warmth.

Since this document is now considered to be a modern forgery, there is little dissection of the actual contents and implications of this letter on the Mormon faith. If we are to take the contents of the letter at face value the implication is that Joseph Smith was practicing a form of magic known as "money-digging" in which he uses alchemy to divine gold from the earth. Furthermore the "angel" of the Joseph Smith story is replaced with a White Salamander - a symbol that is steeped in alchemy as one of the elementals. The alleged forger Hoffman was said to be critical of the LDS - documents such as the Salamander Letter would be not only helpful in his case to "debunk" the Mormon history, but it would also be a lucrative business seeing as the church would immediately purchase the letter for the purposes of hiding it away from others. So there certainly is a motive for this document to have been forged, but like anything else its not a cut and dry case.

In digging through links, I found an interesting article on the Salamander Letter. As with anything in the historical record we have our mainstream and academic takes, but just as valuable are the anecdotal stories as part of a historical tapestry.

There is absolutely no way that I can cover the Salamander topic righteously in the space provided to me, especially its relation to Mormon lore, but I would like to share one very interesting, although anecdotal story that was shared with me by my new colleague and friend Andrew Kosorok while I was digging around the “fire pit.” Andrew is an incredibly talented Utah County based glass artist. He has designed and created many of the windows for the Mormon Temples, the new Provo Temple among them.

Here is Andrew’s story as he related it to me…

“When Mark Hoffman and his partners first approached Elder Dallin Oaks about the salamander letters, his response was that they would be nice to have but not right now. When official church dudes weren’t biting (or at least not biting hard enough), Mark started grooming other private collectors. After hemming and hawing he finally started producing the letters and, as the FBI finally recognized that the sugar in the ink had crystallized in a manner inconsistent to ink in use at the time the letters were supposed to be written, eventually Mark lost it. He blew up a lady unconnected directly to the case, just to throw the FBI off! Anyway, the letters were proven to be Mark’s forgeries.
A couple years later, my mom is helping some of the undergrads unfortunate enough to get “ancient records cataloging” duty, when one of these kids makes a startling discovery which, at the time, did not seem as big of a deal as it later turned out to be. They were poking through a stinky old trunk that looked like it had not been touched “since the early ’60s”, when one of the kids noticed some really old letters. These BYU student employees had stumbled upon the actual Joseph Smith salamander letters, discovered in a trunk that had been under a pile of crap while Mark Hoffman had been doing his thing… How’s that for weird? My mom died a few years later, and she has yet to respond to my questions about this, so I’m unable to get further details. However, that’s pretty much the way she told it to me.”

Of course there is no way to prove that this story is true one way or the other, but it is certainly intriguing. Others who have examined the letters have lent credence to its authenticity, essentially saying that while there is no evidence it is genuine, there is also no direct evidence it is a forgery. When it comes to an entity like the Mormon church there is a distinct possibility that there are multiple layers of deception here. Could the church have made Hoffman create a forged copy of a real letter in order to misdirect the church on its authenticity? Or is this just another example of the long history of forgery sanctioned by the Mormon Church to hide its true origins?

 

[Starfire]

I looked into the Salamander letter when you posted about it, thank you. It is unclear whether the FBI tested a forgery while the real one was hidden in a chest, and unclear whether the letter spoke truth in the first place. What is clear is what you said: "...is this just another example of the long history of forgery sanctioned by the Mormon Church to hide its true origins?"

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After the long books I consumed for this thread a few months ago, I took a break to immerse myself in the other wonderful information in this forum. And I kept running across tidbits and clues that told me I was on the right path with my thoughts about the Mormons.

One of these ideas is that of the Resetters. This forum has developed this idea from a number of angles. These would be the people overseeing the Resets. They would gather information on the new areas prior to opening up for settlement, sending explorers as required. They would allow a Masonic Brother to organize a group of Investors for each area. These Investors would file the claims to own the new areas to rebuild. They would bring in the Masons, real stonemasons, carpenters and other workers and slaves to recreate the city to an acceptable level to pass it off as a new city created just for the settlers. Then those empty city pictures would be taken and put into a brochure to take to Europe and recruit immigrants. Each group of Investors would be assigned/choose a different European population group to recruit from. The immigrants would arrive in the US and have their status changed to settlers, then they would be transported to their designated cities. Any people that had been previously living in the area would either be smiling and greeting the new arrivals and following the new script, or they would be safely ensconced in the newly remodeled mental hospital on the edge of town.

The system I just laid out above worked great in the midwest after it was opened to settlers in 1854 with the Kansas-Nebraska Act. And it seemed to work pretty well before that in the Great Lakes area with the Western Reserve/Connecticut Land Grants that 'prepared areas for settlement'. But prior to this it had been a bit of a land grab to take the best buildings on the east coast proper. The British were able to say that the French or the Spanish had built the buildings before the British arrived. But that didn't work as well with the movement west to lands where the French and Spanish had never been. Average citizens kept uncovering things that could not be explained. People saw evidence all around of a prior civilization, but were offered no explanation that matched what their senses observed. (It was a continuation of cognitive dissonance that started with the first answer to their first question as a child...)

This is the environment that Joseph Smith and Samuel Rigdon are formulating their plans in. Smith had been digging for treasure in western New York for years. He was fully aware that there were valuable items and buildings buried in the earth, and that these would have to be from a prior civilization. He had already tried and failed to start his own church. Rigdon had been preaching in the Western Reserve/Ohio country and was fully aware that there were many better preserved buildings towards the west, and that the bigger ones could become temples and churches. They likely met each other the short time they were both preachers in the early 1820's.

Both of these men would have observed how the rich people and the religions were allowed to refurbish the pre-existing buildings, thereby saving money and gaining wealth and status. They would have observed the changing narrative as the people flowed westward. They would have understood that in order to get a piece of the pie they had to get west FIRST.

So they resolved to start a religion and take it west, to get the best buildings before the rich people did. If they had a religion with lots of followers they could claim the biggest buildings, just like the Catholics and Protestants do.

The regular farmers and townspeople who saw the evidence around them of a past civilization were ready for an explanation that made sense. Smith and Rigdon capitalized on this with the story of the Israelites that came over to America and built a civilization. Rigdon had read Spalding's story at the publishing house and understood that it could be the historical part of their new holy book. The key to the new fake religion was adding Jesus Christ to it so they could get all the Christians to at least consider it.

The new holy book would have prophets that foretold the coming of Christ, and wars between believers and non-believers, and then Jesus himself would come to the Americas to teach after his resurrection!

The new Christian converts thought things finally made sense, that their cognitive dissonance was over, that what they saw with their eyes matched what they were being told. But it actually was just a new form of cognitive dissonance because of the fake Christ story!!!

It's kind of a brilliant idea. I'm pretty sure Smith didn't come up with it, plus he couldn't read. Rigdon was clever enough for the spark of the idea. I think they were developing the con-cept for several years before Spalding's manuscript became available. Then they took at least four years formulating it after Rigdon obtained Spalding's manuscript when the publishing house closed, while they were trying and succeeding to steal the other manuscript from Spalding's widow. This was the time frame where Smith said the Angel Moroni came to him and told him about the 'golden plates', then Smith went to Hill Comorah three years in a row before he finally obtained the 'golden plates'. (Once both manuscripts were destroyed they weren't worried about their theft of Spalding's story being proven.) Then it took a couple more years to 'translate' the 'plates' into the Book of Mormon and get it published.

That would have been plenty of time to brainstorm with Smith's father - the local 'prophet' and known con man, and Smith's grandfather who had "founded a religious community in Canada". Smith was said to belong to a secret society that was not the Masons, so he could have brainstormed with them as well. He could have also spoken with the local Masons and chosen not to join them because of the Anti-Masonic movement as someone kindly mentioned earlier in the thread. Anyone in on it would have become the first converts (like all of Smith's family and friends did) and helped grow the deception so that they could get rich too! At least that is what they were led to believe.

Mormonism focused hard on overseas conversion and worldwide missionaries from very early on, focusing on Canada, Britain, the Pacific and the American Indians. This didn't make a lot of sense to me at first, why spend your efforts overseas when you're barely getting started here? I understand now that they were emulating the Resetters. They were convincing immigrants to come to America, but telling them the truth about the prior civilization instead of lying like the Resetters who pretended they built the cities. This probably pissed off the Resetters when they found out about it. Smith moved the church to Kirtland, Ohio, where Rigdon was, very quickly. I always figured Smith had to leave New York in a hurry because he conned the wrong person. But perhaps he was running away in fear of the Resetters! And he kept running - from Kirtland to Independence to Nauvoo where he was killed in questionable circumstances.

From the LDS website:

"Even before the organization of the Church in 1830, the Lord commanded Latter-day Saints to take the restored gospel to the world. Missionary work began while the Book of Mormon was still being published, and steadily gained momentum during Joseph Smith’s lifetime."

Obviously the focus of the missionaries was to gain numbers of immigrants, regardless of whether they believed in the new religion. The book was barely getting printed! The missionaries only had to say it was a Christian religion that was neither Catholic or Protestant and they probably got a bunch of volunteers who were sick of the fuss in Europe and Canada. The Pacific Islanders could be taught about Christ and they already knew that there were older civilizations. (Most of their royalty was very tall due to still having remnants of giants' blood.) Many of the American Indian tribes had some similar beliefs to Christianity, such as a Great Creator, a worldwide flood, a godly being coming and teaching them and then leaving with a promise to come back and start a Golden Age. The Native Americans were keenly aware that a previous civilization existed in the Americas as they were the descendants of it mixed with immigrants from Asia. So it was pretty easy to convert them when the missionaries were allowed to access them in the Indian Territory of the time.


Part of my theory for this thread is that Smith understood that the pre-existing buildings offered health benefits. I will address that on the next post.

 

[Starfire]

I want to talk about the world that Smith and Rigdon grew up in. Smith was born in 1805, Rigdon in 1793. The very early 1800's were a time of major strife. There was some kind of cataclysm in northern Russia which killed a lot of people and created a lot of refugees in the surrounding countries, and then the War of 1812 was staged to kill off whoever was left alive.

Some of these refugees would have made it to the Americas. The insane asylums weren't up and running yet, so people would have still spoken freely about their lives that just got destroyed back in northern Russia, which was Tartaria on older maps of that area.

I think that most of the people being genocided also had the name Old Believers. These are the Pagan Rus who took on the aspects of early Christianity that promoted Christ consciousness and discarded the organized religion part of it. In the 1600's the entire culture was forced by the czar to convert to the Eastern Orthodox (Byzantium) Church. Many people refused and moved further north or went into hiding for hundreds of years. Each new regime would try to wipe them out the rest of the way and they would hide again, as recently as during Communism. Some may be still hiding. See the article at the end of the post for more info.

The refugees left alive from the kill-offs of the early 1800's (the ones that didn't hide) would have felt safer getting completely off the continent when they left! They had been discriminated against for several hundred years trying to wipe out their religious beliefs and lifestyle. Then the cataclysm and war against them to physically wipe them out. It had become very clear that they were unwanted, especially in that part of the world.

So the remnants would have made their way to coastlines to leave. There were a lot of boats going to the Americas from every port at that time, but especially the British ports, as they were gaining control of what would become the 13 colonies. The refugees would have had to trade their last precious items for passage, or agree to indentured slavery for a period of years. But they got the hell out.

Most of these people would not have been English speakers. The tendency would have been to shove them into ghettoes in the new world like other nationalities had been. But they were people who had lived off the land, close to nature, and avoided the control mechanism of cities. They would have gone as far west as they were able to, once in America. At that time, this would have put a lot of them in western New York, Pennsylvania and Ohio territory. Right where Smith and Rigdon were.

These refugees that came before and after the War of 1812 would have had the info that got Smith and Rigdon to start thinking about the health benefits of antiquitech and the pre-existing buildings. These people had been actively using 'iron objects' (personal size aetheric energy batteries and healing devices) and vereyas (iron gazebos to fit your whole body in) for healing and rejuvenation within their lifetimes. As the refugees settled into new lives, they would have been talking about their old lives. Some of that info would have been translated into English and spread throughout the communities of the area. A person like Smith (meaning con man mentality always looking for the easy way to get rich) kept his ears open for new information like this. By the mid 1820's when Smith was formulating his plan, he would have heard about antiquitech for healing.

I know this is speculation and not proof. It is a solid foundation of factual immigration based on known destruction and war in northern Russia. The existence of antiquitech for healing is known and there is a secondhand account of that below. The focus of Mormonism on a clean life and lots of organ music is known. The unknown part is whether this influenced Smith and Rigdon. I shall have to look deeper into the Mormon relationship with health.

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I think the article below is REALLY important and has a number of important ideas in it including Old Believers, vereyas, iron objects, other antiquitech, longevity, flying machines and more. It's long, but worth the time.

The last of the Mohicans (by tech_dancer)

Please read it to understand better about the common daily knowledge Russian refugees had about household and personal use antiquitech.

 

[Frostychud]

I have a few things to add to this thread.

It so happens that I recently took a road trip through the southwestern United States with a couple of friends. We went to both Zion and Bryce Canyon National Parks. To get from Las Vegas to Zion, you pass through the town of St. George. Having read this thread, I persuaded my friends, neither of whom would believe a word written on this website, to stop and check out the temple.

It so happens that the temple had reopened just a few weeks earlier after a long renovation.

Imagine my surprise when I parked the car and saw that an open house was taking place on the very day I happened to pass through the city.

I didn't want to go in, for a couple of reasons. First, I think Mormonism is a cult run by intelligence agencies. Second, I did not want to offend any of the normal, decent people who make up the lower ranks of every cult on the planet.

My friends told me I was being a pussy. We changed our clothes to look a little more presentable. Everyone there was wearing some version of the Mormon uniform: white button-up shirts for men, floral patterned prairie dresses for women. There was no way we would not stand out, but at least I could wear clothes that could be considered respectful.

I got the feeling that everyone was looking at us as soon as we arrived. As far as I could tell, they were all LDS members. No one stared but I felt watched and paranoid. An elder approached us. We told him the truth, that we were there for the open house. We chit-chatted as he led us to the entrance. He was very charming and friendly and I was starting to feel guilty as well as paranoid. Then again, they were the ones who decided to open their temple to the public, which amounts to an invitation.

Everyone had to put plastic booties over their shoes to protect the floor. No photos. Keep in mind that LDS members need a "Temple Pass" just to set foot in the temple, and only twenty to thirty percent of church members have that honor. I guess a lot of the smiling, excited people there belonged to the Mormon rank and file who might otherwise never get to see the inside of the place.

There were big beehive tops on the columns next to the staircase. Utah is known as the Beehive State. Bees and beehives are Masonic symbols and have been for a very long time, see "Gerry's" work on ancient spooks at the Miles Mathis website. I should add that during my recent research on New Orleans I noticed that the earliest newspaper there was called the New Orleans Bee. Driving through other small towns in the Southwest I noticed other old buildings with bees on them.

The two main staircases enter flanking doors on the second floor, as if the building had indeed only partially been dug out of the Earth.

The building really stands out. It is unique in the city. It is more impressive in person than in photographs. Around it are nothing but newish single-family houses that appear to date from the fifties at the earliest.

I should add that on the way into St. George I noticed a highway billboard denouncing the dark side of polygamy. Utah is something like two-thirds Mormon and you can feel that it is a different world from the neighboring states.

I found it creepy as hell.

We entered the Temple from the ground floor. At every corner was a smiling volunteer saying "Welcome" and indicating which way to go. At no point were we out of the sight of at least two volunteers. There must have been one every twenty feet. Everyone was smiling and saying "Welcome" in the same way. I felt extremely uncomfortable. From the beginning to the end of the tour I must have passed at least fifty people just standing there ushering us forward. The place was on lock.

I don't remember everything I saw, but a few things stood out.

The place is full of paintings from the life of Jesus and, I suppose, the Book of Mormon. I didn't recognize most of them but a few caused my jaw to drop, three in particular.

1. A painting of the St. George Temple against the picturesque red cliffs with nothing else around it, no houses, no city, nothing but trees, as if they had found it there.

2. A huge mural of what appeared to be a Utah landscape...with a Biblical-looking ancient city just sitting there (!).

3. A painting of a church elder (I guess the Mormons would have recognized his face) directing workmen to install new windows in a completed brick building.

All three paintings could be plausibly explained away, of course, but they looked to me like coded images possessing an esoteric as well as an exoteric signification.

There were three floors. Since Mormonism is built on Freemasonry, the religion is full of initiatic symbols, starting with the number three. There are apparently three grades of elder before you become a God who inherits a planet and can create his own slaves.

The Mormon visitors around me seemed particularly excited to see the dressing rooms, where the initiates change into their Temple Garments, which are decorated with Masonic motifs (!).

I was especially impressed by two chapel-like rooms that were covered in beautiful murals of the natural Utah landscape. I didn't have time to inspect them for clues. We weren't allowed to stop walking.

The state of Utah is not incidental to Mormons. Their whole religion appears to be centered on the idea of Utah, not as a random promised land among other possible promised lands, but as the only possible promised land.

The place resembled a Masonic Lodge much more than it resembled any church I have ever visited. The blue velvet curtains that were over every window had a Masonic feel but I can't exactly say why. There were five-pointed stars everywhere. I don't remember seeing a single cross anywhere, nor a single representation of the Crucifixion. That has to be significant.

The building is impressive.

Outside, my friends wanted to take photos. I wanted to get the hell out of there. As we were standing there talking, a man approached us. He was the only other person there who did not look like he had been squeezed out of the same tube of toothpaste as everyone else. I will not give a precise description of the man as I do not wish to doxx anybody but I will just say he would have looked more at home at a contemporary art opening in Los Angeles or Berlin than a Mormon temple in Utah.

I got the strong feeling that we were being interrogated under the guise of a friendly conversation. "Where are you from...what are you doing here...where are you going in Utah...what's your job...what are you doing next..." The guy kept rubbing his nose and sniffing. His eyes were a little shifty and I have seen this before in people who have just done cocaine. He told us he was descended from one of the original Mormon settlers of St. George. In other words, one of the people who dug out the Temple. A few comments of his indicated that contrary to his appearance, he was not some random out-of-town hipster who had come back home to please a devout family member. He gave the impression of being a person of authority who was very much in the loop with the other people present.

I found a short bio of him on the Internet. As I said, I am not going to doxx the guy. I will just say that he is a longtime close collaborator with a very well-known Freemason involved in large-scale deception. If that sounds cryptic, I'm sorry, but it would be unethical of me to say more. His artist pseudonym was also a pretty obvious Satanic/Masonic pun. I am satisfied that I was face-to-face with a high-level generational initiate who was dispensed from ordinary ritual observance and virtue-signaling and could allow himself to front as a big-city art type. Good cover, right? My guess is that he was the top dog present. Then again, I may just be a paranoiac with an overactive imagination.

He also had the same unusual family name as a character on the television show Westworld, which was filmed in Utah and which even shows us dug-out Old World cities...more winking.

As I mentioned, my friends do not share my conspiracy beliefs, so they just thought he was a friendly outsider connecting with other friendly outsiders, and maybe that is true. But I don't think so. I was getting scared as hell the longer he peppered us with questions and I wanted to leave. I had an image of some Mormon Mason cop pulling us over ten minutes later and arresting us on some made-up charge to do a background check and make sure we weren't spooks ourselves.

Incidentally there are Masonic lodges in every small town in the region.

We went to a grocery store after our temple visit. The teenagers scanning and bagging our groceries caught my attention. First of all, they had weird names: Zaylah and something like Zason. They both looked like "perfect Aryans", for lack of a better description: clean-cut, friendly, blonde, good posture, with open faces that were somewhere between innocent and naive. They were having a very sweet conversation about the different states and how populated they were relative to each other. "Alaska is nearly empty! And it's so big! It's like a whole country of its own! America is incredible!" I noticed that the theme of this conversation was basically Mormon theology: America as the Promised Land. I suppose that in a year or two these two nice teenagers would be in a foreign country spending all day, every day trying to convince people to join their cult. I read that typically, the Mormon church does NOT pay for the mandatory two-year proselytizing (spying) missions that good LDS members are expected to perform. On the contrary, the teenagers and their families are expected to go into debt to pay for it! Keep in mind that members of the LDS church must tithe. Given that there are seventeen million Latter Day Christians in the world paying ten percent of their salary a year, the coffers of this institution must be overflowing with gold. If we assume that the average salary of these seventeen million members is only $20,000 a year, that gives us annual revenues of two thousand times seventeen million, or thirty-four BILLION dollars a year. They are admitted to possess a slush fund amounting to $175,000,000,000. It is my understanding that all cults as well as all intelligence agencies function the same way: they make the recruits pay for their own brainwashing. Looking at these two friendly teenagers who had grown up in a cult, I felt ambivalent. On the one hand, I found their open faces and clear eyes a refreshing contrast in a world full of cynical, ruined young people who have been bombarded from birth with increasingly explicit Satanic content in music, television, video games, etc. On the other hand, my understanding of human nature is that too much innocence is itself a form of perversion and corruption inasmuch as it means you have no defense against having your mind hollowed out and becoming a drone for some mind-control cult. As sweet as Zaylah and Zason were, they were about to spend two years trying to convince foreigners to give money to their Masonic mind-control cult. In other words, doing the devil's work without even realizing it. Even their names were nothing but the products of a cynical cipher (more on that below). The fuel of all cults is child dupes (and child sex). This is not a clean or pure world and it never will be. Hygiene, cleanliness, and purity are very dark fantasies inasmuch as they always lead to the desire to eliminate anything resembling a stain from existence. Unfortunately, when you look closely at humanity, we ourselves have a fundamentally fallen or "stain-like" nature. I am thinking of Graham Greene's excellent "The Quiet American" here.

A few blocks away from the temple I noticed the following building and took a snapshot:

As you can see, we have rough old dark masonry at the bottom, rough but light-colored masonry in the middle, and newer masonry on top. Three layers. Over the next few days I noticed a huge number of homes in Utah that were built in a similar style: the bottom three feet or so of the exterior were made of large, rough stones or blocks, and the rest of normal bricks or wood. Now, I am not saying all these houses were all built on top of pre-existing stone footprints. Rather, I think that this design, which I have never noticed anywhere else, is a cargo-cult copy of what the oldest homes might have looked like after being rebuilt in this way. Unfortunately I did not think to photograph these newer houses.

Every small town in the Southwest seems to have a historical marker that describes how X number of Mormon settler families founded the place and performed all kinds of feats of engineering and construction.

A few days later, I went to the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, where I saw the following sign:

So the huge stone lodge burned down four years after being built...okay, maybe. The fire story helps confuse the origins and explain away future anomalies..."blocks left over from the fire". "Cunningly crafted"...sounds like a wink to the Craft of Masonry. Miles Mathis readers, note the dead-giveaway Stanley name as well.

There's a pretty little trail that leads away from the lodge along the rim of the canyon. Ten minutes down the trail, I saw this:

Here's the accompanying sign:

"Built more than 900 years before the Grand Canyon Lodge"...the language is hypnotic. There is no need for them to say this. The lady doth protest too much. They really want to make sure we do not see that the lodge and this little pueblo footprint look the same. And aren't they constantly telling us that cities slowly get buried over time? If that's the case, then how is it possible that this little house, which has supposedly been sitting undisturbed in the middle of a forest for 900 years (!), is still visible? Note also that you can drive a few hundred miles to the Sequoia National Park and see trees that are as old as Ancient Rome (according to the official narrative), yet sit at the exact same ground level as they presumably did two thousand years ago.

I also went on a drive through Petrified National Forest. Here I have no real evidence, I just wish to add that the place looks like a melted city to me.

There's a lot of speculation about the American Southwest on here. Jon Levi hits it pretty hard. If anyone reading this has never been, I encourage you to visit the region. First of all, it's unbelievably beautiful. The giant trees, the hiking in Utah, the Grand Canyon, the various different desert landscapes...it's incredible. From the Stolen History perspective, I would add that the narrative is shockingly thin for this region. Everything is explained by either Mormons or the Gold Rush, all after 1850. It doesn't take much snooping to find little pieces of evidence everywhere that this story is fake.

(An aside on Jon Levi. He recently wrote a book with David Edward, who is admitted to be a "former" intelligence agent. The CIA logo with an all-seeing eye at the center features front and center on the cover of the book. What the hell?)

I found something else interesting on the web while researching the Temple:

A Rosicrucian Origin For Mormonism?

I have attached a text written by a random guy I found. He is both a Mormon and a Rosicrucian. His hypothesis is that the Book of Mormon, like all sacred books, was written as an encrypted text that yields different meanings depending on which cryptographic key is used to decipher it. I believe that this angle is under-researched on this site. All those "Bible Codes" are not signs that the information in the book is true. They are just signs that the books were written in ciphers. The art of cryptography, as practiced by John Dee for example, is the art of layering multiple codes on top of each other. As you get closer to the top of the hierarchy, different "keys" are revealed to you. These (numerical) keys yield radically different meanings when applied to the source text. A key might instruct you, for example, to read only the third letter on every page. Another key might instruct you to read every other letter and ignore the fifth...or whatever. Of course they are much more complex than that. Kubrick is such a cryptographer. When you watch Eyes Wide Shut, you get several different stories stacked on top of each other. You get the story of a couple overcoming their marriage difficulties. On a deeper level, one constructed purely of visual symbols, we see that Nicole Kidman is a witch who has tricked her husband into sacrificing their daughter to a Satanic cult. Probably there are deeper encryptions than that. I think also of the French Oulipo writer who challenged himself to write an entire book without using the letter E. Gilbert Adair, an American, then one-upped him by translating the book into English without using the letter E either. These people are geniuses and I guess that over the course of history, much more brainpower has been employed writing (and cracking) human codes than has been spent deciphering nature. What do the codes hide? I would guess: trade secrets, true history, advanced physics, chemical formulae, etc.

There's a guy on Youtube, I forget who, who shows that some chapter in the New Testament encodes, in Greek, the number 7 in a way that is so ingenious as to prove that the book was divinely inspired. I would say rather: it proves the book was written by a group of alchemists as a cipher. Think about all the weird names and genealogical lists in both the Old and New Testaments (as well as the Book of Mormon). I now see all this semi-gibberish stuff as a sign that we are dealing with a code. I see the made-up names as "fudges" to make the code work in places where the cryptographer is not clever enough to find an already-existing word that fits the multiple levels together. I also suspect that the inconsistent, non-phonetic spelling of English up to the 19th century served a similar function. Kind of like all the pizza stuff in the Podesta e-mails. I bet there's another layer to those codes as well.

Anyway...the paper is worth a look. The author claims that the Book of Mormon is a series of alchemical codes showing the priesthood how to purify cocaine (!) and other drugs that allow them to zombify and brainwash the mind-controlled believers (!) as well as enter into communication with spirits. He shows the ciphers in great detail. It's too complex for me to follow, but I find the overall concept convincing, even if the text is pretty paranoid and delusional (and appears itself to be a cipher due to the numerous bizarre misspellings). He also claims that the Book of Mormon is about building the railroad, and along with the formulae for purifying blow from the coca plant and using it to roofie and rape preteens, there are complex engineering formulae for constructing advanced structures. He appears not to be familiar with the Stolen History hypothesis that this stuff was not built by them, it was found, which makes even more sense.

A few excerpts:

 

[trismegistus]

2. A huge mural of what appeared to be a Utah landscape...with a Biblical-looking ancient city just sitting there (!).

I observed something similar in my time in Utah - between Bryce and Zion canyon.

Fernando Cortés, AKA Moses

I didn't include this story in my comment, but when I was filming that footage there was a Mormon father and his son on the observation deck - they were absorbing the magic of Bryce canyon and talking about it. As I eavesdropped I heard the father refer to the hoodoos at Bryce Canyon as "temples" - quite literally saying "as the sun sets you can see the temples form". This was a revelation to me afterwards, considering what I captured on film in the above post, especially because I didn't see the temples form until after I had the footage on my computer days later.

In another anecdotal connection while I was out there I had the chance to practice Wim Hof breathing with the intention of creating a DMT-like trip. I had never tried it before, and within 15 minutes I was having intense visualizations of entities approaching the cabin and revealing what I can only describe was the "secrets" to their access to powers unknown by humans - namely the ability to terraform and create wonders using nothing but their mind. While not incredibly relevant to this thread, it is worth mentioning in the sense that I don't believe this would have happened to me were I anywhere else.

Between the Mormon connection, the glyphs scrawled into the canyons by pre-reset civilization, and the sheer beauty of it all there is absolutely something to the idea that this area of the American West is extremely special.

 

[hzg7]

I don't remember seeing a single cross anywhere, nor a single representation of the Crucifixion. That has to be significant.

You will not find any crucifix in any Mormon's home. I've heard it claimed that they think it's offensive to Jesus to display it but I would argue there's a lot more to it.

After several conversation with some of my closer mormon friends, it has become clear to me that they consider Jesus and Lucifer to be brothers, or two sides of the same coin; Which actually follows right in line with their Masonic origins.

 

[Researcher]

Well, it certainly has been an interesting read from many stand points. As for the mudflood history, the PTB made sure that "piece" of evolution was eliminated from any educational reading about the mormons and their travels West. From an 1918 School Book - this is what was taught - short, sweet and (like most text book verbiage) uneventful.

 

[donnyboy]

As an ex-mormon that has researched the mud flood and mormonism extensively, I must say I'm very impressed with Starfire's research. I've been reading this thread for the past hour or two, and I won't be able to respond with all my thoughts in a single post. Here's a short reply for now:

My current hypothesis is that Joseph Smith and the early, "higher-up" mormons were in on the scam from the beginning. Joseph Smith's entire family were known freemasons. Joseph might not have officially joined until the 1840s, but his father and brother had already been masons for a long time (Joseph himself might've been a mason earlier than we're being told). When I say scam, I mean two things: 1) the mormon religion being a scam, used to control people and their beliefs about the past; 2) the migration to the Western territories to give us (the people living in 2024) an excuse for why all these Old World building exist in the West. I think Joseph Smith knew about both of these reasons. I'm inclined to believe that the Smith family was better connected than we're being told. I think the Smiths were connected with the ruling elites in some way; either as distant relatives, or paid actors. Also, there's a connection between Joseph Smith's niece and Bohemian Grove. Decades after Joseph's supposed murder, his niece became the first historian/librarian for Bohemian Grove. Interesting. Also, most of the early mormon leaders from the 1830s and 1840s were already freemasons before joining the mormon church. In addition, the mormon religion is about 50% Christianity and 50% freemasonry. Yes, I put it at 50% freemasonry. The theology, cosmology, and symbolism in mormonism is directly connected to freemasonry in many, many instances.

The connections between prominent mormon leaders and other psyops continues to this day. Gordon Hinckley was the leader (prophet) of the mormon church from the 90s to early 2000s (I think he died in 2005ish). John Hinckley was Gordon Hinckley's cousin. John was the guy that tried to assassinate Ronald Reagan--another psyop, Reagan was never in danger. There have been mormons in high positions of the federal government, banks, the federal reserve, CIA, FBI, etc, etc. There are too many names for me to remember, but there's a lot of them. The mormon church (as an organization, not the regular church members) is still very much involved with the ruling elites. The mormon church has a giant vault in the mountains near Salt Lake City that stores tons of old mormon history and Utah history artifacts. The vault itself is almost certainly one of the giant underground complexes I'm sure you've heard about in other corners of the internet. These complexes (D.U.M.B.s = deep underground military bases) were probably built by the Old World, and were probably found by the settlers when they found the already-built cities in the West. The mormon vault is not open to visitors. They claim to be storing mostly church history stuff and genealogy stuff. This brings me to another related topic of my research.

I've often wondered in my mud flood/Old World/Tartaria research, why aren't there newspapers or personal journals talking about how they found castles and cities waiting for them when they arrived in the West (or even on the East Coast for that matter)? The newspapers could be censored and controlled, sure. But what about the journals? If there are these poor mormons, travelling 1000 miles west and finding a whole city waiting for them, why wouldn't they write about it in their personal journals? (mormons have a reputation for keeping personal journals; a habit that is much less common these days) I can think of a few possible answers to this question: 1) they saw the pre-built cities, but most people didn't write it down because they were poor and working in the fields all day; 2) they DID write it down in their journals, and those journals have been forgotten in attics or intentionally suppressed by the elite historians; 3) they intentionally didn't write it down because they were in on the scam, meaning that those early mormons knew they couldn't leave evidence for us in 2024 to look at; 4) there are no journals from the 1850s because the reset (or some stage of the reset) happened more recently than we think.

I can easily disqualify explanation #1, because I know many mormons personally, including my entire extended family, and they all keep journals to some degree. Even in families that aren't as detail-oriented as my extended family, it's still a common practice for mormons of the older generations to keep journals. The further you go back in time, the more common it is for there to be a family journal.

Explanation #2 is certainly possible. However, I find it hard to believe that the elites could have destroyed/suppressed the information from SO MANY family journals. It's possible those journals have been forgotten in attics and in boxes from dead great-grandparents. But still, there's so many people interested in the mud flood and Tartaria now that I think we would've seen people posting pictures and quotes from the journals of the great-great grandparents. I have not seen anything like that yet.

Explanation #3 is difficult to believe at first, but think about it. This is a group of people that have been viciously persecuted for their religious beliefs (so we're told), crossed 1000 miles of unsettled territory (so we're told), and find an area in the desert (Salt Lake City) with castles and palaces and factories sitting there waiting for them! How would Brigham Young have explained that away? Now, as we in this space know, that unsettled territory wasn't actually empty. There were castles and capitol buildings and "insane asylums" the entire way along their journey. This is not something that could be missed. So, there's room in my mind to believe that a majority of the mormon settlers knew they needed to explain-away these castles as something else. I'm not saying they knew why they needed to create a cover story, but maybe they did know something was going on. It's possible that the people who survived the last reset were convinced, by ideology or by threat, to NOT TELL their descendants what they really saw when they arrived in Utah.

Explanation #4 is a work in progress for me. The two world wars (that we know about) are definitely part of the coverup of the last reset, killing tens of millions of people and destroying Old World buildings. And before that there were all kinds of revolutions and civil wars all over the world. We should have learned by now not to blindly trust any history from the last 100 years, and to trust history before 100 years ago EVEN LESS. It's possible that the reset happened much closer than it appears, possibly as late as around 1900 or so. I've been trying to track down the physical journals of my ancestors. My family is full of stories about our ancestors crossing the plains with Brigham Young, helping to build the Salt Lake City temple, and other such stories. But I haven't been able to find the physical journal of anyone prior to my own great-grandfather. Where are the journals?? I haven't met anyone that has a physical journal of anyone older than their great-grandfather. I'd love input on this, because I'm sure there are other families out there that value journals and family history. There's also some really strange stuff about baby incubators at the world's fairs, going back to 1850. "Jon Levi", "My Lunch Break", "Mind Unveiled", "Lucius Aurelian", and "Understanding Conspiracy" are all great resources on YouTube for this type of information.

So, what really happened? I'm not sure. I think it's a combination of explanations 3 and 4. I'm open minded to any theory, and I give more weight to theories that have physical evidence (e.g. all the half-buried buildings all over the world tell us about the mud flood and Tartaria). I'll definitely make more posts on this thread in the future.

 

[trismegistus]

The vault itself is almost certainly one of the giant underground complexes I'm sure you've heard about in other corners of the internet. These complexes (D.U.M.B.s = deep underground military bases) were probably built by the Old World, and were probably found by the settlers when they found the already-built cities in the West.

I tugged on this thread on the old site

Mormons (among others) built a DUMB on the 33rd Parallel

 

[Bolislav]

In 1814 Spaulding moved to Amity Pa. to spend the final years of his life,
Chapter XXXV, page 425 of Boyd Crumrine's 1882 History of Washington County Pa. devoted a whole chapter on this, with sworn testimony from many witnesses all stating Plagarism by Smith the man whose pen has been the guiltless cause of one of the most remarkable delusions the world has ever witnessed.
I have attached the pdf of the book, very interestIng read

 

[Oracle]

I've been reading this thread over the last two nights.
Fantastic research and presentation. Thanks for all your hard work @Starfire.

I find the Logan deep dive especially interesting. Two things that struck me there

a) the name Cache Valley. That alone backs up your suppositions well.

B) I noticed the cupola in the photo you call fake is at a slightly off angle vertically to the rest of the building. I do believe you are correct.

Wonderful contributions by other members also leading to a fascinating read.

There is probably more I noted while reading I should mention but wasn't taking notes as I went and don't have time now to go back over it. I may come back and add more though if I do sometime as I'm sure there was more that I could contribute which doesn't come to mind right now.

 

[Oracle]

I've looked at a lot more old pictures since I wrote that post. The overwhelming majority of the false fronts that I saw were just what you said - dressing up the front of a ramshackle wooden building to make it look reputable. I didn't find any obvious examples of cover-ups to share yet.

Stone buildings have had fresh facades added over unreparable facades in many situations past and present. It makes sense for the settlers to replicate that in wood.

There are also find's like this occasionally so who knows.

man-discovers-14th-century-facade-while-house-renovating/

 

[Oracle]

First of all I want to thank you @Starfire for doing a great job researching and posting your findings and summarizations here. As my own thoughts on history have become more focused on early America I strongly believe this Mormon story is an integral part of the tapestry. As you are finding it is difficult to determine what is real and what is forgery when it comes to this tight lipped group.

One thing I have been meaning to discuss here is the existence and veracity of the "Salamander Letter". I first learned about it on a netflix documentary a few years ago - the main topic being the forging of the Salamander letter by a Mormon seeking recognition that eventually led to a few gruesome bombings. However like any good stolen history topic: how much of this story of the Salamander Letter is real, is a forgery, or potentially even a false story about a forgery with some nuggets of truth in it. Here is the letter in its entireity:

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From Secret Teachings of All Ages, Manly P. Hall:


Since this document is now considered to be a modern forgery, there is little dissection of the actual contents and implications of this letter on the Mormon faith. If we are to take the contents of the letter at face value the implication is that Joseph Smith was practicing a form of magic known as "money-digging" in which he uses alchemy to divine gold from the earth. Furthermore the "angel" of the Joseph Smith story is replaced with a White Salamander - a symbol that is steeped in alchemy as one of the elementals. The alleged forger Hoffman was said to be critical of the LDS - documents such as the Salamander Letter would be not only helpful in his case to "debunk" the Mormon history, but it would also be a lucrative business seeing as the church would immediately purchase the letter for the purposes of hiding it away from others. So there certainly is a motive for this document to have been forged, but like anything else its not a cut and dry case.

In digging through links, I found an interesting article on the Salamander Letter. As with anything in the historical record we have our mainstream and academic takes, but just as valuable are the anecdotal stories as part of a historical tapestry.



Of course there is no way to prove that this story is true one way or the other, but it is certainly intriguing. Others who have examined the letters have lent credence to its authenticity, essentially saying that while there is no evidence it is genuine, there is also no direct evidence it is a forgery. When it comes to an entity like the Mormon church there is a distinct possibility that there are multiple layers of deception here. Could the church have made Hoffman create a forged copy of a real letter in order to misdirect the church on its authenticity? Or is this just another example of the long history of forgery sanctioned by the Mormon Church to hide its true origins?

This salamander information is amazing, I've never come across it before. I myself have many times, as recent as three months ago, seen these lights amongst trees in the forest and also low in the sky. I'm going to follow up this information, thank you!