SH Archive Murmansk 1942

[Cemen]

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Date: 2020-01-30 08:23:45
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Northern people were called “Murmans”, “Urmans”, Normans. Later, this name was also transferred to the land where events were held with the participation of foreigners. The coast of the Barents Sea, and then the entire Kola Peninsula, was called "Murman". Accordingly, the name "Murmansk" means "city on Murman."

Originally called Romanov-on-Murman. After the revolution, it was renamed Murmansk.

When laying the city did not represent anything special, an ordinary settlement. With the development of the northern territories in the USSR, it began to grow.

1915-1916


1918

And what Mercator has indicated I can’t say. Maybe he marked the Kola River flowing there.
He even designated a certain "pogost".

Pogosts are places of compact settlements of the Sami people, or, as they were also called, Lopari. In winter, they lived in winter pogost or “siites,” which they considered permanent residence, and in summer, in summer.

Pogosts were very small settlements. In some, there were only a few humans and no more than 10 males lived. The largest рogost was considered Pechenga - about 80 inhabitants.

The Kola Pyramids are an extremely interesting object, but they are unlikely to be related to Murmansk and small peninsula settlements.

 

[KD Archive]

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Date: 2020-01-30 09:25:16
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Northern people were called “Murmans”, “Urmans”, Normans. Later, this name was also transferred to the land where events were held with the participation of foreigners.

When stating information of this nature, please provide your sources. The older the better, but preferably from before the three German historians got Russian history corrupted. The map which says Mourmans was dated with 1730, so from some time prior.

And also Mercator quite clearly is indicated a town, which is also present on a whole bunch of other maps.

1665

Source

The maps are also supported by older texts. I am not sure what changing coordinates could mean, but there it is,and there is a whole bunch more.

• Though Russian Wiki appears to be saying that there is nothing strange about that. What I found interesting in that there is some playing with Kola's founding dates. At first it was considered that Kola was founded in 1264, and than they changed the date to 1565, which is roughly 300 years. And even that they are not sure of. Interesting it is...

1703 source


1688 source

But geography changed a lot since, which can be seen in this 1562 Map. It appears that waters were coming down.

 

[Cemen]

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Date: 2020-01-30 10:47:17
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When stating information of this nature, please provide your sources. The older the better, but preferably from before the three German historians got Russian history corrupted. The map which says Mourmans was dated with 1730, so from some time prior.

At the beginning of the "Tale of Bygone Years" the peoples who lived along the borders of Kievan Rus and along the shores of the seas bordering it are listed. Along with other peoples, here are mentioned also a dope. The chronicler writes: "Afetovo bo and that tribe of Varyazi, Svea, Ourman ...".

Chroniclers, along with the Swedes, belong to the Varangians and dope (Murman). The word murmane has been found in chronicles since 1240: "Summer 6748 (1240) Sveya came in the strength of the great, and Murman, and Sum, and I have a lot of zelots in ships."

Топонимы Мурмана | Кольские Карты

It seems that the old Slavonic Google translator translated at least funny.)

 

[KD Archive]

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I asked for the source of what Mourmans mentioned on the map meant. I do not see any sourced explanations as to the meaning of the word. I also do not see any links to the original sources. This here is nothing but an official version which, at the very least, satisfies TPTB.

Those interesting things we do not know:

• Diggers, those who descend underground, exploring the catacombs, say another Murmansk exists beneath the city.
• With its brick houses, and even a street so wide that a car could pass on it. According to rough estimates of historians and diggers, the total length of all underground catacombs is from 5 to 10 km.
• Journey through the underground Murmansk
• Ancient tunnels found near Murmansk
• Ancient tunnels near Murmansk

 

[Cemen]

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Date: 2020-01-30 11:30:09
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I asked for the source of what Mourmans mentioned on the map meant. I do not see any sourced explanations as to the meaning of the word. I also do not see any links to the original sources. This here is nothing but an official version which, at the very least, satisfies TPTB.

I'm already confused, what is the source of what is needed?

Those interesting things we do not know:

• Diggers, those who descend underground, exploring the catacombs, say another Murmansk exists beneath the city.
• With its brick houses, and even a street so wide that a car could pass on it. According to rough estimates of historians and diggers, the total length of all underground catacombs is from 5 to 10 km.
• Journey through the underground Murmansk
• Ancient tunnels found near Murmansk
• Ancient tunnels near Murmansk

Dungeons are most likely created by the same builders as the pyramids.
But I am sure that neither one nor the other is related to the foundation of Murmansk.