"Mythical" Islands from Welsh folklore turn out to be real

But New York City, London and Boston are all under twenty feet of water today - none of the
buildings escaped damage due to global warming and rising waters. Oh. Wait.
That's in another holographic universe - sorry. No they seem to be high and dry. :)-

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. The map shows that Langdon has proven that the area did indeed have rivers but they have long been dried up. some 4000 years ago
Please could you provide a link to this information especially the method this bloke used to determine the very precise 4000 years ago date?
 
Please could you provide a link to this information especially the method this bloke used to determine the very precise 4000 years ago date?
It was done scientifically - he glanced up into the clouds and something whispered to him. Yes, I too have doubts about dating something that disappeared. Mud, dirt, rocks are difficult to date.
 
The map shows that Langdon has proven that the area did indeed have rivers but they have long been dried up. some 4000 years ago.
Hold up, how tf the guy dated something that alledged dried up over 4k years?? What is his proof??
 
It was done scientifically - he glanced up into the clouds and something whispered to him. Yes, I too have doubts about dating something that disappeared. Mud, dirt, rocks are difficult to date.
Such things are impossible to date.
 
My step dad and mom live in Barmouth north Wales, there is an area a couple of miles out to sea that is literally inches deep water. A sand bar it is know as but it could very well be land that was swallowed by the sea, the locals know about it, my step dad has stood on it.
 
Cannot understand why you push this academic twaddle. Read the linked article its a puff piece for the climate change agenda. Full of weasel words based entirely in quackademic guesswork.
I agree that this is "academic twaddle." Climate change has been part of this planet, since the beginning of the planet. Now, they have to say climate change, because they were wrong in the 70s that the climate was cooling down, then the 80s that the climate was heating up, and on it goes. It's all about money and destroying our lives, in order to control us.
 
Wasn't sure where to put this, didn't think it needed its own thread.

Video shows secret passageway under town centre which has been hidden for years
Thanks for sharing. Now, as to being hidden. No. It has never been hidden except from the general public. If you translate Taliesin from the Old Welsh, he tells us that there was another spot to the southwest of there on the coast, and it was linked, in ancient times. There were two factors that led to its being concealed, except in poetry. One was the wealth of that area in minerals, and the other was the schools for Druids that existed there. Very important to the Celts and Druids especially, and of course Taliesin was both a Druid and a poet.

Taliesin also tells us the truth about Arthur - that he was a Celtic Druid as well as a general of the local military, and never a "king" per se, and that he gave his life by journeying to the North Pole in search of a cure for the Black Plague that was killing his people. Along with him was a Norse navigator and an Anglo-Saxon familiar with the locals - and yet our scholars have tried to assure us that these groups never got along.

Arthur, or rather the idea of an Arthur who could lead the people against the PTB, is a dangerous idea for those in control, and they bury anything connected to him and the ancient true history of Great Britain out of fear. Just as they fear Trump today, although I don't believe that he has the quality of an Arthur, albeit he may be as close as we will get given today's miserable times.

Let me say this again - he died, not in battle, but in giving his life for his people in the hopes of obtaining a cure. The people of Hypoborea, according to the Greeks, had found a cure for the Black Plague. And this idea was written down by the Greeks and read by Taliesin and Arthur and acted upon - as a measure of last resort. Far from being ignorant and unlearned, the Britons were quite well educated in the classics and highly intelligent (before the Normans brought their religion and grief to the island. They are the ones, after all, that brought the 10% for the Church idea as well as the ones that introduced a serfdom lifestyle to the natives.

None of this has been published, as far as I know, but it is all quite clear.
 
Taliesin also tells us the truth about Arthur - that he was a Celtic
How did you establish this to be true?
Wilson & Blackett state there were no Celts in Britain and provide evidence in the form of documents and interpretations in their books.

I have only read one of them and listened to people who have read others just to be clear. Never been to check their sources either sadly as too far away and all but impossible to access these days.

Having wandered this island for over five decades I have yet to find anything physical that is Saxon, Viking, Roman, Norman, Celtic upon it. Everything is labelled one of these things by academia but its all guesswork and opinion.
 
How did you establish this to be true?
Wilson & Blackett state there were no Celts in Britain and provide evidence in the form of documents and interpretations in their books.

I have only read one of them and listened to people who have read others just to be clear. Never been to check their sources either sadly as too far away and all but impossible to access these days.

Having wandered this island for over five decades I have yet to find anything physical that is Saxon, Viking, Roman, Norman, Celtic upon it. Everything is labelled one of these things by academia but its all guesswork and opinion.
I've watched their videos [Wilson and Blackett] on Youtube. Almost felt like it was part of my own family - the way they talk and their quiet dignity.
But I'm a linguist and I have to go with the written evidence. And when I tried to examine their many reports on the early language they claim to have discovered, and which is the basis for all of their writings and theories, guess what? They never share it. Never show or prove their translations, never give the sources, never provide images for others to follow along and prove or disprove their hypothesis.
Much like Sitchin, who never shared any of his translations either - and both for the same reasons - they made it up. At least Sitchin, before he died, admitted that many of his "translations" came by way of "channeled messages", which is another way of saying they came out of his fertile imagination. I know that Sitchin worked with the NSA. I don't have the same proof on Wilson or Blackett, but for sure there is an agenda being played out - but perhaps in their case it relates to money and pride and not intelligence operations. But I am not sure.
Yes, there is most definitely such a thing as Celts, and they and their Druids or pagan priests, were most definitely in Wales and England.

I don't know if you said this or you were quoting them: "Having wandered this island for over five decades I have yet to find anything physical that is Saxon, Viking, Roman, Norman, Celtic upon it. Everything is labelled one of these things by academia but its all guesswork and opinion." But that's just plain wrong and easily disproved, just by physical artifacts alone.

It's not guesswork when you find a Roman coin along with Roman military uniforms, or Norse made boats, stuck in peat bogs, or Anglo-Saxon kings who ruled in the early 400s AD and after, which is very clear. They found this "alphabet" in an ancient book in the charge of the Norman (Viking-French) who ruled after 1066. They say. So why not produce it? And their translations? Oh, but they don't because they can't.

Sorry.
 
They never share it. Never show or prove their translations, never give the sources, never provide images for others to follow along and prove or disprove their hypothesis
Cobblers. You surmise so much from not reading their work.

Much like Sitchin, who never shared any of his translations either - and both for the same reasons - they made it up.
Same argument comes to mind when reading your stuff.

I don't know if you said this or you were quoting them: "Having wandered this island for over five decades I have yet to find anything physical that is Saxon, Viking, Roman, Norman, Celtic upon it. Everything is labelled one of these things by academia but its all guesswork and opinion." But that's just plain wrong and easily disproved, just by physical artifacts alone.
Perhaps pay a bit more attention to what is written. You frame yourself as a linguist!

Those words are mine and for an American living in Costa Rica to say I'm wrong....well that is some stretch.

It's not guesswork when you find a Roman coin along with Roman military uniforms, or Norse made boats, stuck in peat bogs, or Anglo-Saxon kings who ruled in the early 400s AD and after, which is very clear.
Of course its guesswork. Its all made up. The Roman Wall over here exists but its not a physical thing it sits in the Academic world of speculation and opinion.
Having visited it, clocked the thing in the flesh, looked at the 'artifacts' claimed to have been dug out of the ground and labelled Roman by academics and studied the ground from which they are said to have come from with my own senses once again in the flesh, its crystal the labelling is as bogus for the artifacts as it is for the stones of the wall.
As for organic items surving for thousands of years in the soils of the area, complete horsehit.

They found this "alphabet" in an ancient book in the charge of the Norman (Viking-French) who ruled after 1066. They say. So why not produce it? And their translations? Oh, but they don't because they can't.
Again yet more summising. You can get their books here, if you are so inclined.
CYMROGLYPHICS - the online store for BritainsHiddenHistory.co.uk

Just to be crystal I am not saying Wilson & Blackett are on the money about anything any more than you are. I just haven't come across any physical evidence of Celts on this island I have lived on and wandered around in for over five decades.
I hope that's clear enough...even for a linguist.
 
Cobblers. You surmise so much from not reading their work.


Same argument comes to mind when reading your stuff.


Perhaps pay a bit more attention to what is written. You frame yourself as a linguist!

Those words are mine and for an American living in Costa Rica to say I'm wrong....well that is some stretch.


Of course its guesswork. Its all made up. The Roman Wall over here exists but its not a physical thing it sits in the Academic world of speculation and opinion.
Having visited it, clocked the thing in the flesh, looked at the 'artifacts' claimed to have been dug out of the ground and labelled Roman by academics and studied the ground from which they are said to have come from with my own senses once again in the flesh, its crystal the labelling is as bogus for the artifacts as it is for the stones of the wall.
As for organic items surving for thousands of years in the soils of the area, complete horsehit.


Again yet more summising. You can get their books here, if you are so inclined.
CYMROGLYPHICS - the online store for BritainsHiddenHistory.co.uk

Just to be crystal I am not saying Wilson & Blackett are on the money about anything any more than you are. I just haven't come across any physical evidence of Celts on this island I have lived on and wandered around in for over five decades.
I hope that's clear enough...even for a linguist.
Yep, you were crystal clear. Sad about people wandering around and seeing nothing. Those who have eyes will see, those who have ears will hear.
 
I am truly gobsmacked you pose this question. Truly and utterly gobsmacked after all our exchanges through both incarnations of stolenhistory.

I did not read the PDF because the intent of the academics who authored it is clear, crystal clear.
It is a climate change puff piece made to order to back and promote the climate change agenda.
Academics paid to produce such rubbish are legion.They do whatever they are paid to do. There is no academic integrity these days. That's not cynicism it comes from reading enough articles/papers to see it, realise it and finally accept it.

As for the map just how on gods earth did you or dreamtime or the authors determine the age of the thing?
What method was employed?
Where is it published and detailed for people to look at and test for themselves?
Or has such a thing as veracity lost all relevance here?

If the veracity of the thing cannot or has not been proven beyond reasonable doubt then any article about the thing is mere speculation and opinion no different to a novelist writing a fantasy story.

Read the article it is full of weasel words, do I have to list them out?
Its complete guesswork mashing geographical features and an unproven history together to produce a possible scenario that is not proven, in a mainstream academic article. The things that deserve to be questioned andvpicked apart as rthey always have been on here. I recall you used to do this yourself not so long ago.
But now because it seems to fit a line of thought it gets posted without query or question or am I missing something?

Having a administrator post a thread with an erroneous title is quite eye opening too.
There is nothing at all in the article which let's be frank here, is as far as most people will go, that supports the word "real" in the thread title.

Instead of asking me questions why not post the bits from the PDF that prove my point to be fallacy?

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The only two people with the power to shut down any discussion are you and dreamtime.

Australia was originally called new South Wales. It's next to new Zeal land, new Caledonia, and new Guinea. Below new South Wales was Van 'Da e mons' land, now called Tasmania (ref Boch saga).. Eng land, Scot land, Ire land, Ice land, Fin land, Zeal land, Switzer land, Deutsch land. It seems the later called Tas'mania' (Van Diemans Land) may have been a breeders colony for the new lands. I've heard the Mouri's talk about rosy faced whites inhabiting New Zealand before the British arrived.
 
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Gough Map or also called Bodleian Map, presumebly one of the oldest map of (Great) Britain​

Lost islands cited in Welsh folklore and poetry are plausible, new study of coastal geography and a medieval map suggests

Historians conveniently refer to lost islands marked on historical maps as "phantom islands". There are countless islands on old maps, especially from before 1500, for which there is no known equivalent in our present times. The Island of Frisland is one of those lost islands.

Mainstream historians usually dismiss these maps as fantasy constructs of our ancestors, thus ridiculing them.

On Wikipedia, this arrogance reads like this: "The oldest phantom islands have their origins in ancient or Christian legends. Antilia, the Saint Brendan Islands or Hy Brasil were inscribed on nautical charts because cartographers and sailors believed that saints and bishops had built ideal empires in the Atlantic. If such land could not be found, it was assumed to be further west. That's why such phantoms appear on early modern maps."

Now researchers have taken on a specific case of a supposed phantom island and found out that the so-called "Welsh Atlantis" actually existed and the so-called "Gough map" was probably based on reality. This map appeared only from the 18th century and newer researches show that it was probably made only in the 15th century. Thus, it can probably be assumed that the two disappeared islands off Wales existed about 500 years ago, probably even much longer.

The researchers suspect that the islands disappeared only in the 16th century:

"They suspect that the islands may be the remains of a low-lying landscape created by soft glacial deposits during the last ice age. Since then, erosional forces have eroded the land and reduced it to islands before they too were eroded and disappeared in the sixteenth century."

The "Welsh Atlantis" is said by legend to have been struck by a catastrophic flood and is mentioned in the poetry of the Black Book of Carmarthen and in later folklore. As late as 1846, one author describes the ruins of these sunken islands:

"In the sea, about seven miles west of Aberystwyth in Cardiganshire, is a cluster of loose stones called Caer Wyddno, "the fortified palace of Gwyddno"; and near it are the remains of one of the southern roads or causeways of Catrev Gwaelod."

Even though the maps are mostly from the Middle Ages, they are often backdated to several thousand years ago. The last alleged ice age 10,000 years ago is often considered the authoritative event, and this is justified by arguing that these medieval maps refer to Ptolemy, who according to official chronology lived about 2,000 years ago. The contradiction that maps from 500-1000 years ago refer to a time about 1000-1500 years earlier is ignored. This would be similar to using a source from the 10th century A.D. for today's city maps for practical orientation - this is an absurd idea and lacks any basis.

Thus placing the many stories of floods in central Europe connected with the Biblical Flood myth far into the distant past is a tool of the history falsifiers and is maintained only by the arrogance to see in our ancestors naive idiots who did not understand their world. This is probably just the projection of a society that has lost any rooting in its own history and place in the world and has to resort to meaningless alienated narratives that take away our connection to both the past and the objective reality around us.
I'd like to had something about a magical Island present in the celtic folklore : Hy-Brasil. Here it is : « Yet I suspect that this flower-and-butterfly minuteness was also a product of "rationalization," which transformed the glamour of Elfland into mere finesse, and invisibility into a fragility that could hide in a cowslip or shrink behind a blade of grass. It seems to become fashionable soon afer the great voyages had begun to make the world seem too narrow to hold both men and elves; when the magic land of Hy Breasail in the West had become the mere Brazils, the land of red-dye-wood. » J.R. TOLKIEN

ETYMOLOGY ("pulled by the hair" of some low-level AI): brasile, 'bois de brasil', name of a type of red wood from an East Indian tree, used in the manufacture of dyes (known today as sapphire wood or Indian redwood), from medieval Latin brasilium, from Old French bresil, which is probably related to brese 'ember', and like it from a Germanic source (compare braze (v.1 )), from the PIE root *bhreu- "to boil, bubble, effervesce, burn" and so called because of its resemblance to embers. ), from the PIE root *bhreu- "to boil, bubble, effervesce, burn", and so called because of its similarity in colour to glowing embers (Yeah?...Well…)

But as the product arrived in Europe via India (
!?), it is perhaps (not sure, who knows?) a folk etymology of an Arabic word (!) or another Asian language (a form of Old Italian, verzino (I didn't know that Old Italian was an Asian language), suggesting to some a possible link with the "saffron" Arab wars (Really ?!!!! . What is this invention of "saffron" Arab wars? What's more, I didn't know that saffron grew on trees! You really sound like that other stupid IA Wikipetasse). The same word for the same product is used in Portuguese, Spanish (brasil) and Italian (brasile). Since the 14th century, the name has been attached to a legendary island or rock in the North Atlantic, off the west coast of Ireland. It is then associated with the word "red dye wood" by association with Pliny's Insulae Purpurariae ("purple islands") in the Atlantic off the coast of Morocco.
QED? Not at all! It's rubbish, as so often, just to drown out the fish.
To be honest, the etymology of the names Brasil and Hy-Brasil is unknown (to the AI and to most people, for sure), but in the Irish vernacular tradition they are thought to come from the Irish Uí Breasail (i.e. "descendant (i.e. of the clan) of Bresail"), one of the ancient clans of the north-east of Ireland; where Í = island; bres = beauty, worth, great, powerful. What do you think of this ?

Let's go there for a moment:

https://reseauinternational.net/les...onflit-entrelargentine-et-la-grande-bretagne/ (We remember how fiercely the archipelago was fought over. The question is, beyond the mere offences of the mundane, WHY? Why kill each other over a piece of rock lost at sea, right?)

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(NOTE THE CHANNEL THAT DIVIDES THE ARCHIPELAGO IN TWO, YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT...)

Now, let's see:

Hy-Brasil was often depicted on maps as a very small island to the west of Ireland. The island of Hy-Brasil originated in Celtic mythology.

As far back as the 12th century, the Irish believed in the existence of an enchanted island that could be seen along the west coast of Ireland once every seven years. Hy-Brasil continued to appear on maps until 1873, when it was last shown on a British Admiralty chart.
One of the most famous visits to Hy-Brasil was made in 1674 by Captain John Nisbet of Killybegs, Co. Donegal, Ireland. He and his crew were in familiar waters to the west of Ireland when a fog rolled in... The ship came perilously close to the rocks. While orienting itself, the ship dropped anchor in three fathoms of water, and four members of the crew rowed ashore to visit Hy-Brasil. They spend a day on the island and return with silver and gold given to them by an old man who lives there. (I hope it was from the heart, but knowing the chaps...)

The first page of the chapter The Enchanted Island from the book Irish wonders; the ghosts, giants, pookas, demons, leprechawns, banshees, fairies, witches, widows, old maids, and other marvels of the Emerald Isle; popular tales as told by the people is about that. This is the story of an enchanted island, Hy-Brasil, which first appeared to the people of County Cork on 7 July 1878. The island disappeared and then reappeared every seven years off the west coast of Ireland. Oral tradition told stories of an island in a fog bank or a floating island that disappeared when approached.
 
Sorry, I forgot to mention, Hy Brazil is off the west coast of Ireland, not Wales. There are other phantom islands off of Wales that were still being reported right up into the 20th century, but they weren't Hy Brazil. After all, if it was between Wales and Ireland then it could hardly be considered in the Atlantic, or 'Atlantis'. All the St. Brendan stuff is nothing but Catholic propaganda with information leeched from the Inventio Fortunata... imo.


Map of Abraham Ortelius 1570, cropped, showing the island of Hy Brasil west of Ireland.
(Public domain)​
Sorry, I forgot to mention, Hy Brazil is off the west coast of Ireland, not Wales. There are other phantom islands off of Wales that were still being reported right up into the 20th century, but they weren't Hy Brazil. After all, if it was between Wales and Ireland then it could hardly be considered in the Atlantic, or 'Atlantis'. All the St. Brendan stuff is nothing but Catholic propaganda with information leeched from the Inventio Fortunata... imo.


Map of Abraham Ortelius 1570, cropped, showing the island of Hy Brasil west of Ireland.
(Public domain)​
The main purpose of citing Hy-Brasil is to accredit the existence of "phantom Islands"of the kind, in the more general Celtic folklore. By the way, the existence of this one is attested in numerous maps of the admiralty, which proves that until a recent past, it was known as real (even with "stealth" characteristics).
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Map by Admiral Piri Reis (for me, one of the most important cartographers of the previous era) of Europe and the Mediterranean dating from 1513 A.D. It shows the island of Brasil to the right of Ireland.
 
Australia was originally called new South Wales. It's next to new Zeal land, new Caledonia, and new Guinea. Below new South Wales was Van 'Da e mons' land, now called Tasmania (ref Boch saga).. Eng land, Scot land, Ire land, Ice land, Fin land, Zeal land, Switzer land, Deutsch land. It seems the later called Tas'mania' (Van Diemans Land) may have been a breeders colony for the new lands. I've heard the Mouri's talk about rosy faced whites inhabiting New Zealand before the British arrived.
Yes ! You can find some information about them in this very interesting series about the true story of Maoris and who they found in this place (blond or redhead white fairy people called Patupaiarehe or Turehu people or Urukehu clans or Egyptian-Indo-Iersian (Yes, EGYPTIAN-INDO-PERSIAN! like in HINDU KUSH and like in GYPSIES !) Whaka blondes in Maori lore) :
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_inGOubEg
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g15ROUH3gAQ
 
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