SH Archive Our civilization did not build Titanic, Olympic or Britannic. Theirs did. Was it the Tartarian one?

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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-02-17 15:21:02
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Well neither me nor duckduckgo or giburu can find any other builders model from Harland and Wolf, however couple of 'new' Olympic (though labelled Titanic picture turned up on here.

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Harland & Wolf Shipyard's Main Drawing Room in early 1911. Check out the giant Titanic scale model at the far end of the room.

Much more likely to be a 'model' the first of class Olympic than Titanic. And why would they bother with the half model when the full builders model was knocking about?
In the shipyard where I worked there were a lot of models of ships and indeed an entire department of model makers, pre computer days, producing them. All in three dimensions, all in glass cases. Cannot recall the age of the oldest sadly.

Yet there were 3D models in existence as evidenced by this picture which looks to me to be shot at a different time to the one above. CHECK the pillars out!

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The Harland & Wolf Shipyard's Main Drawing Room

EDIT; to add this picture which judging from the dress dates from the early 1900's. Again going off the dress the one with the Titanic model in it seems to be much later thirties or fourties.

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The name of this ship isn't given but as it is in with the others my guess is the blog poster reckons its Titanic.

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Stern At Harland & Wolff's Slip #3

But it this one I find most intriguing. Are we looking at an engraving of Olympic under construction or the Great Eastern?

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Titanic's Steel Hull Framing, 1911

Found a few more pictures.
From here

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From here
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This one well just how easy would it have been to pass a Titanic off as one of the other ships in this image, there are three four funnel ships going to 'her aid'.

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Username: Timeshifter
Date: 2019-02-18 15:57:35
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Knew I had seen the SS Great Eastern exhibition the museum before. Heres a blog from 2014 saying it was open, it is now gone... not sure how much info it may have gleaned however...

SS G E BLOG
 
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Username: Seeker 101
Date: 2019-02-20 11:08:06
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Great photo finds, top stuff. Your comment on the scaffolding is indicative of the time. While some machinery and processes, were world class, occupational safety was very poor. Hence it became a priority of the unions to improve conditions.

I'm in agreement about the 'caps' or thread protectors on the shafts, note that the shafts have a taper to 'jam' the prop onto. Fairly common practice. The taper as small as it is is probably clearest in the Alamy photo on the center shaft. There also appears to be covers or plugs over the bolts holding the streamlined cone on the props too and can be seen on the shaft on the left. The right hand shaft must have already had its coats of protective paint.

The Teutonic photo is another great find. The bosses that the 4 blades bolt to are clear and show how the blades could be re-set by 'indexing' to the next set of bolts. except there is a gap where no bolt holes are. Maybe a factor of the difference between 4 and 3 as there appears to be more room on the 3 blade boss allowing more evenly spaced bolts.

Notice the keyway in the 4 blade prop in the Titanic Manual pages on the right hand side? Looks like they have keyed and taper fitted them. This stops wobble.
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I've been to the city library and sought the book I remember reading at around 14 years of age, so that'd be 1967. A thick book composed mainly of engineering drawings of the entire three boats. Unfortunately after the librarian and I scored the catalogue we had to conclude it had been culled in the 80s 90s. :(
On riveting, I did see something in one of the books that I did look at in the special maritime section of the central library and found a reference to hydraulic riveting. Searching YouTube, I found several excellent videos of the operation and finally found one from England of a loco, coal tender being repaired with flush rivets and another from the US of an old boat in November of 2014, the SS JOHN W BROWN at Collona's Shipyard in Norfolk, VA, having hull plates replaced with flush rivets too, both using hydraulic rivet guns.
But the best find was a video from, drum roll. the White Star Line, riveting hull plates. Interesting at one point where the operator changes tools and chisels off the protruding excess head.
 
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Username: Ian Goss
Date: 2019-07-05 11:47:59
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There's the rivets visible below the waterline! (Olympic propellers drydock photo)
Odd they are invisible in other photos. They don't look like any effort was made to make them "flush" smooth in that photo. Yet all looks smooth in other photos. Apart from that square panel just in front of the rudder, with very rough rivets.
 
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Username: PrincepAugus
Date: 2020-01-22 05:14:11
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Hahaha no, but any other prying eyes that are honest will never be able to.
There's a video from a Titanic enthusiast debunking the Olympic switch theory:

 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-01-22 17:28:09
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Why are they bothering?
 
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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-01-22 17:45:53
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Pirates. Aaarrgh.
Even when JC was making his eight billion dives around movie and documentary time, others were going down attempting to thieves. All the good stuff they can't get to so easily. Took JC hours just to navigate a camera in to get a photo of that solid gold clock. You'd need to tear the thing apart to get to anything.
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-01-22 18:02:51
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Whatever ship is down there, if any, it isn't the Titanic or the Olympic. W ho is JC?
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2020-01-22 18:03:31
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There are underwater treasure hunters that have the equipment to tear the thing apart. With the stated opulence, riches, and antiques on board the Titanic, tearing into it would be a financially sound venture.
JC is Jacques Cousteau.
 
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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-01-22 18:05:55
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James Cameron, Mr Silly.
He definitely does NOT walk on water. Hell, a bunch of weird puritans even lobbied to have a Kate Winslet's boobLESS version of the film. Like none of them breast fed or anything.
I think that ship was peacefully slumbering during his time on earth.
Love the song, btw. In English OR French.
Damn bow shot of that "whatever-it-is" down there gives me the willies.
But so did that recent photo of the ships at Messina just sitting there. Sometimes the ominous loomings of the Great White Fleet trolling into harbor as well...
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-01-22 18:12:36
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I thought it was Bob Ballard who went 'down' to the Titanic or did he just 'locate it'?
 
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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-01-22 18:18:11
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We'd all be surprised at how many people have been down there. Gives me the willies.
Documentary where he makes Bill Paxton go down is hilarious (not). Bill is scared witless, but goes anyway, then has to wait for hours upon surfacing because the weather is so bad they can't secure the sub. I'm sure he was covered in excrement after that wild ride!
 
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Username: EmmanuelZorg
Date: 2020-01-23 15:14:22
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Good thread and much insight posted from rivets to propellers to ship construction etc.

The photos showing the smooth hull does make me wonder about the construction. In some images, we see the lower part of the ship with flush rivets, but in other photos of the same part of the ship, it looks very smooth and perfect with no trace of rivets or dimples or anything. Some of this could be due to coatings and paint, some could be image manipulation. They manipulated the shaft installation image to remove one of the people there who would have obscured some of the shaft... so it's possible I suppose.

And as one other commented, the dome headed rivets would be fine on the upper decks where they were not worried about drag slowing down the ship as it passed through the water.
 
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