SH Archive Pope is a Liar: #2 - Siena trumps Rome, or Wolf vs Elephant

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S.P.Q.R. vs. S.P.Q.S.
Senātus Populusque Rōmānus vs. Senātus Populusque Sienus
  • The Senate and People of Rome - SPQR Wiki
  • The Senate and People of Siena - SPQS Wiki - oops, there aint's one
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We are taught that the city of Rome is very old. We are also taught that the history of the city of Rome was tied into the legend of the Capitoline Wolf. There is also a plausible explanation of why the symbol of Rome ended up in Siena, but...
  • there is no plausible explanation for the below Capitoline Elephant located inside the Siena Cathedral
  • there is no plausible explanation of why Rome is depicted as one of the eight subordinate to Siena cities
  • there is no plausible explanation for S.P.Q.S.

Will try to finish up the contents of this thread tomorrow. Have things to do. You are welcome to post whatever you think is relevant. A few pointers for the time being:
  • This here is Emperor Nero. The one who allegedly crucified Saint Peter.
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  • And this here is Pope Leo X, aka Giovanni de' Medici, aka Nero, who I think killed Saint Peter.​
  • While this here is Marcus Aurelius, whose "conventional" name we are yet to figure out.
marcus_aurelius.jpg

So why did historians assign the wolf with kids to Rome?

I will try to get to this (and more) some time tomorrow. May be I could substantiate that the city of Rome is 400 years old tops.
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Username: AnthroposRex
Date: 2019-08-18 12:59:46
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Do you happen to know what the outer four images represent.
I noticed the total of the images is 13 and couldn't help but think perhaps there is a connection between these and the rampant 13 numbered things on the dollars and coins related to the HRE.

Looking forward to seeing where this series goes. Great post as always, Korben.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-08-18 13:28:18
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Here is an explanation from wikipedia:
  • The She-Wolf of Siena with the emblems of the confederate cities (Lupa senese e simboli delle città alleate) probably dates from 1373 (also restored in 1864). The Four Virtues (Temperanza, Prudenza, Giustizia and Fortezza) and Mercy (Misericordia) date from 1406, as established by a payment made to Marchese d'Adamo and his fellow workers. They were the craftsmen who executed the cartoons of Sienese painters.
If those are virtues, they sure did pick some weird animals to represent them. Especially the two on the right. Additionally we all know that a Lion with 3 FDLs is probably far from being representative of any virtues. As far as that bottom left Eagle with some UUL TERRA word next to it goes, that could be interesting indeed.
 
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Username: SuperTrouper
Date: 2019-08-19 00:21:15
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The outer four images represent cities/towns in Tuscany: Grosseto, Pistoia, Volterra and Massa. (Remember, Siena is also in Tuscany, so is Pisa, Firenze, etc.)
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-08-19 00:29:27
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Thank you. I was trying to figure this out on my phone today, and apparently it did not go too well.
 
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Username: SuperTrouper
Date: 2019-08-19 02:50:09
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No worries. Glad I can help. A great find by the way.

By the way, the eight images (cities) around the centre (Siena) are as follows. All in Tuscany except for those noted.

  • Firenze / Florence
  • Lucca
  • Pisa
  • Viterbo (province of Lazio, near Rome)
  • Perugia (province of Umbria)
  • Roma / Rome (province of Lazio)
  • Orvieto (province of Umbria)
  • Arezzo
 
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Username: inquisitor
Date: 2019-08-19 11:01:49
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This reminds me of the Etruscan dodecapolis. The Etruscan league consisted of twelve cities, and according to the article from Wikipedia below, "had no fixed roster and if a city was removed it was immediately replaced by another" which means any city within reason could have belonged to the league. Could this depiction of 12+1 cities possibly represent the Etruscan dodecapolis? Twelve cities plus the capital?

Etruscan cities - Wikipedia

Roma herself is in all likelihood an Etruscan city, but was also the home of Latins and Sabines early on. Something to know, the Etruscans were as far south as Salerno and Sorrento. I have personally postulated that Romulus and Remus were sons of an Etruscan nobleman and were posthumously born, being raised in a Temple of Mars (and thus considered 'sons' of Mars) while of course their mother was the Latin-Alban princess Ilia Silvia. This myth would symbolize the union between the Etruscans and the Italics and act as a foundation stone for Italian unification. The myth is silent concerning their Etruscan patrimony, and remains wholly focused on their Latin-Alban roots. The machinations of Aemulus against his brother Numitor, his niece Ilia Silvia, and his great-nephews Romulus and Remus are front and center. Despite the myth emphasizing the Italic roots of Rome, archaeology confirms an ultimately Etruscan origin. Coming back to the Etruscan expansion, the region where Rome was founded sits perfectly between the extremities of Etruria Campania and Etruria Padania - a suitable place for a new capital (and unitary state).
 
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Here's the map of the 12+1 based on the image in the OP (Siena - red, 8 inside cities - purple, 4 outside cities - blue).

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Old thread, but it may be worth adding that Sean Hross claims that the famous she-wolf is actually a hyena. Once you see it, you can't unsee it:

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He claims that the hyena is a mafia symbol and was brought to Italy from Egypt/Babylon by the bad guys. Look at the way hyenas band together to kill lions. Individually the "honorable" male lion may be stronger, but collectively the (matriarchal) hyenas are invincible. Hyenas have no honor or loyalty among themselves, but paradoxically this only strengthens the pack. They let "nobler" animals do the dirty work of hunting, then come in and steal the kill. This is also what bankers do: let others break their backs doing productive labor, then steal the fruits through usury, leaving the idiots with nothing but their vain pride (pun intended). The hyena is therefore a symbol of a form of political organization in which the individual will always be at the mercy of the collective. Individual vice becomes collective power.

At age 2 or 3 a male leaves his natal clan and wanders off to beg acceptance into another clan. After vicious rejections, he eventually succeeds and reaps his reward: brutal harassment as the clan's nadir, one of the last in line for food and sex. This probation, which biologists call "endurance rivalry," is a test, Holekamp explains: "The guy who can stick it out the longest wins."

Compare to the earlier comment:

This reminds me of the Etruscan dodecapolis. The Etruscan league consisted of twelve cities, and according to the article from Wikipedia below, "had no fixed roster and if a city was removed it was immediately replaced by another" which means any city within reason could have belonged to the league. Could this depiction of 12+1 cities possibly represent the Etruscan dodecapolis? Twelve cities plus the capital?

Isn't this basically the same mafia system? Was Siena the matriarch hazing the would-be gang members? Hross claims the hyena's home today is Switzerland, the "pure democracy".

Next we have a mainstream article arguing the famous Roman statue is a thousand years more recent than claimed, and that the babies were added later:

Ancient Rome's she-wolf statue not so ancient?

Articles like this are amusing and instructive because they reveal the epistemological Achilles Heel of these would-be knowledge masters. The simple fact that multiple "experts" can disagree so wildly is in itself proof that their whole edifice is built on sand.

The following quotation from the article is of special interest:

Parisi Presicce, the Capitoline Museums director, said that in medieval times Rome's symbol was considered to be a lion. He said that weakened arguments that Lupa was made during that period.

Wow. On the contrary, this fact strengthens the argument. Did the Baal-worshiping Canaanite mafia roll into Etruria during the Renaissance, found Siena, then take over Rome and replace the old symbol, the proud and independent male lion, with his ancestral arch-enemy, a laughing female hyena, one who steals and suckles his children to boot, as a form of mockery? And then, to add insult to injury, fabricate an ancient history in which the hyena came before the lion? Is this "wolf" the face of the forgers of history?
 
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