Movie: Prometheus (2012)

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Beware many spoilers ahead.
Expert critics and fans of sci fi and the film franchise “Alien” were disappointed with “Prometheus” (2012) where Ridley Scott returned to the genre that consecrated him. Everyone looked in this movie for explanations of what happened before the Nostromo ship arrived on that lost planet where death was lurking in the 1979 classic "Alien." But it seems that Ridley Scott played a trick on everyone. "Prometheus" comes much closer to the themes of the other classic "Blade Runner" (1982) which he also directed: just as replicant Roy sought his creator in a dark Los Angeles, so "Prometheus" archaeologists seek the "Engineers" of humanity . As in Blade Runner, humans and androids will find demiurges as disillusioned as themselves. They will find this out in the worst way possible.

The movie opens with an aerial sequence showing mountainous landscapes, valleys, lakes and waterfalls to the sound of majestic and epic music until we see a flying saucer hovering over a waterfall. On the edge of the waterfall we see a tall, human-looking being with well-defined muscles and strong. It brings a substance into your mouth that quickly creates a kind of chain reaction in every molecule of your body. It falls into the water and falls apart, as if its DNA fertilized planet Earth, creating a new species: humanity.

As director Ridley Scott stated in interviews, he wanted to pay tribute to Erik von Daniken (author of the bestselling Chariots of the Gods) and his thesis that humanity would descend from aliens and that the gods worshiped at different times. and cultures would actually be reminiscent of this extraterrestrial civilization that intentionally created us.

This initial sequence leads us to believe that we are facing another movie that will pay tribute to this “new age” utopia of being star children where we will find the answers to all the clichéd questions of the genre: who are we? What are we doing here? What is the purpose of everything?

But we have to remember that Ridley Scott returns with this film to the sci fi genre where he left as his main mark the dystopian worlds he created: “Alien” of 1979 (a mining ship manned by astronauts destitute of any nobler ideal meets a xenomorphic monster which initiates a brutal slaughter) and 1982's "Blade Runner" (replicants have more feelings than humans do in a gloomy Los Angeles where an insistent acid rain falls). Therefore, knowing that the director was responsible for these two classics of the genre, nothing is as it seems.

The sacrifice of one of the "Engineers"
The narrative is centered on a pair of archaeologists, Dr. Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace) and Dr. Charlie Holloway (Logan Marshall-Green) who discover a series of ancient rock drawings of different cultures separated by thousands of years that point to a single place in the stars: a distant moon, LV-223. Shaw and Holloway believe that on this moon will be found the ancient truth about the origins of humanity - a belief that is also shared by billionaire Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce), CEO of Weyland Corporation. After hearing the archaeologists' conclusions about the "Engineers" (as they define the aliens who would have raised us), he agrees to send them along with a crew of fifteen people aboard the Prometheus ship.

But Weyland's intentions are not as mystical as those of archaeologists: He wants to find the "Engineers" to achieve eternal life, since he is old. To secure his interests, he sends an android named David (Michael Fassbender), whose job is much more than keeping the ship afloat while the crew is cryo-sleeping during the voyage: he must conduct “independent” research and report directly. Weyland.

The Future of the Past
Ridley Scott's sci fi fits into what researchers call the so-called "postmodern aesthetics" they call the "future of the past." Unlike modern science fiction where the futuristic and utopian imagery with unprecedented places, situations, and opportunities for humanity (“going where no man has ever been,” as the celebrated opening of the “Star Trek” TV series) urged, Ridley Scott told us. shows future worlds that look similar to the present: corporate plots, betrayals, suspicions, broken dreams, viral monsters. The "too human" associated with bad technological functions create actually atopic worlds. That is, a paradoxically future without future, because it replicates the ills of the present.

If in "Alien" and "Blade Runner" we have retro sci fi (remember the neo-baroque design of both the Nostromo ship and the space jokey and xenomorphic monster or Los Angeles with old neon-framed buildings and lots of hats and overcoats from 1940s), in "Prometheus" we have the height of this future of the past: if the archaeologists hypotheses were
correct, we would not have attended the 1979 "Alien" crew slaughter.

Ridley Scott's neo-baroque: sci fi "future of the past"

For example, it is striking that after Kubrick's “2001: A Space Odyssey” where spectators follow the epic human journey to meet its creators and witness the birth of the “star child” that will change the future of humanity, we have the dystopia of “Planet of the Apes” 1968: The future is post-apocalyptic and repeats the same dramas as the present world. This film features a post-apocalypse world dominated by apes that evolved far more than men after a gigantic nuclear hecatomb. We have reached the future, but it no longer exists. “Alien” (1979) and “Mad Max” (1979) confirm the arrival of this future without future, post-apocalypse, sad and melancholy.

"Prometheus" and "Blade Runner"
In "Prometheus" Ridlet Scott also returns to the theme of the movie "Blade Runner": the encounter with the Creator. If in 1982 we see a replicant named Roy seeking a meeting with his creator of Tyrrell Corporation to live longer (the replicants were scheduled to live only four years), in “Prometheus” the whole purpose of the LV-223 moon expedition is to find in the "Engineers" the answers about the purpose of existence and the fight against old age and death.

“Blade Runner” was an adaptation of the work of writer Philip K. Dick (“From the Androids Dream of Electric Sheep”) with explicit Gnostic inspiration: the man in search of his Creator / God finds that, in fact, He is but one. Machiavellian Demiurge who doesn't love him.

The android David finds the divinity in the human soul itself,
for "Prometheus" returns to this Gnostic theme: "the Engineers" are neither gods nor benevolent and wise, they are crazed Demiurges about a technology that turned against them in a cold moon lost in the middle of nowhere.

Rather than finding comforting answers to the great religious and metaphysical questions, the ship's crew faces the first generations of the "Alien" xenomorphic monster.

The archaeologists' disillusionment with the "Engineers" about their purpose in creating humanity is the same as that of David David in relation to the humans who created him:

David: I'm sorry the "engineers" are all dead, Dr. Holloway.
Dr. Holloway: Do you think we wasted our time coming here?
David: What purpose brought you here? What did they hope to achieve?
Dr. Holloway: Meet our Creator ... get answers ... Why they made us.
David: Why do you think your kind made me?
Dr. Holloway: We made them because we could.
David: Do you realize how disappointing it would be to hear the same thing from its creator?

Here "Prometheus" returns to the nihilism of "Blade Runner": just as replicant Roy finds disillusionment in realizing that his creator Tyrrell created him for no more noble purpose, android David experiences that same disillusionment. In turn, Holloway and Shaw will know this disappointment in the worst possible way when seeking the truth about the "Engineers."

In proposing nihilism as the result of the search for gods and the meaning of existence, "Prometheus" addresses the old central theme of Gnosticism: indeed, the search for the sacred lies within man himself, in the soul, not in some external entity or sense (God, All, etc.).

This is clear from Android's effort to understand in man what he lacks: the soul.

Remembering the little Disney animated robot “Wall-E” (2008), David spends his time watching the movie “Lawrence of Arabia” (1962), memorizing the lines and trying to look like actor Peter O'Toole (Wall - And watch the 1969 musical "Hello, Dooly!"). David is fascinated by his creators, just as humans are fascinated by the "Engineers."

But the archaeologists Holloway and Shaw fail to realize that the truth is before them, not the "Engineers": it is in the android David who can see within himself the divinity itself.

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Beware many spoilers ahead.
Expert critics and fans of sci fi and the film franchise “Alien” were disappointed with “Prometheus” (2012) where Ridley Scott returned to the genre that consecrated him. Everyone looked in this movie for explanations of what happened before the Nostromo ship arrived on that lost planet where death was lurking in the 1979 classic "Alien." But it seems that Ridley Scott played a trick on everyone. "Prometheus" comes much closer to the themes of the other classic "Blade Runner" (1982) which he also directed: just as replicant Roy sought his creator in a dark Los Angeles, so "Prometheus" archaeologists seek the "Engineers" of humanity . As in Blade Runner, humans and androids will find demiurges as disillusioned as themselves. They will find this out in the worst way possible.

The movie opens with an aerial sequence showing mountainous landscapes, valleys, lakes and waterfalls to the sound of majestic and epic music until we see a flying saucer hovering over a waterfall. On the edge of the waterfall we see a tall, human-looking being with well-defined muscles and strong. It brings a substance into your mouth that quickly creates a kind of chain reaction in every molecule of your body. It falls into the water and falls apart, as if its DNA fertilized planet Earth, creating a new species: humanity.

As director Ridley Scott stated in interviews, he wanted to pay tribute to Erik von Daniken (author of the bestselling Chariots of the Gods) and his thesis that humanity would descend from aliens and that the gods worshiped at different times. and cultures would actually be reminiscent of this extraterrestrial civilization that intentionally created us.

This initial sequence leads us to believe that we are facing another movie that will pay tribute to this “new age” utopia of being star children where we will find the answers to all the clichéd questions of the genre: who are we? What are we doing here? What is the purpose of everything?

But we have to remember that Ridley Scott returns with this film to the sci fi genre where he left as his main mark the dystopian worlds he created: “Alien” of 1979 (a mining ship manned by astronauts destitute of any nobler ideal meets a xenomorphic monster which initiates a brutal slaughter) and 1982's "Blade Runner" (replicants have more feelings than humans do in a gloomy Los Angeles where an insistent acid rain falls). Therefore, knowing that the director was responsible for these two classics of the genre, nothing is as it seems.

The sacrifice of one of the "Engineers"
The narrative is centered on a pair of archaeologists, Dr. Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace) and Dr. Charlie Holloway (Logan Marshall-Green) who discover a series of ancient rock drawings of different cultures separated by thousands of years that point to a single place in the stars: a distant moon, LV-223. Shaw and Holloway believe that on this moon will be found the ancient truth about the origins of humanity - a belief that is also shared by billionaire Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce), CEO of Weyland Corporation. After hearing the archaeologists' conclusions about the "Engineers" (as they define the aliens who would have raised us), he agrees to send them along with a crew of fifteen people aboard the Prometheus ship.

But Weyland's intentions are not as mystical as those of archaeologists: He wants to find the "Engineers" to achieve eternal life, since he is old. To secure his interests, he sends an android named David (Michael Fassbender), whose job is much more than keeping the ship afloat while the crew is cryo-sleeping during the voyage: he must conduct “independent” research and report directly. Weyland.

The Future of the Past
Ridley Scott's sci fi fits into what researchers call the so-called "postmodern aesthetics" they call the "future of the past." Unlike modern science fiction where the futuristic and utopian imagery with unprecedented places, situations, and opportunities for humanity (“going where no man has ever been,” as the celebrated opening of the “Star Trek” TV series) urged, Ridley Scott told us. shows future worlds that look similar to the present: corporate plots, betrayals, suspicions, broken dreams, viral monsters. The "too human" associated with bad technological functions create actually atopic worlds. That is, a paradoxically future without future, because it replicates the ills of the present.

If in "Alien" and "Blade Runner" we have retro sci fi (remember the neo-baroque design of both the Nostromo ship and the space jokey and xenomorphic monster or Los Angeles with old neon-framed buildings and lots of hats and overcoats from 1940s), in "Prometheus" we have the height of this future of the past: if the archaeologists hypotheses were
correct, we would not have attended the 1979 "Alien" crew slaughter.

Ridley Scott's neo-baroque: sci fi "future of the past"

For example, it is striking that after Kubrick's “2001: A Space Odyssey” where spectators follow the epic human journey to meet its creators and witness the birth of the “star child” that will change the future of humanity, we have the dystopia of “Planet of the Apes” 1968: The future is post-apocalyptic and repeats the same dramas as the present world. This film features a post-apocalypse world dominated by apes that evolved far more than men after a gigantic nuclear hecatomb. We have reached the future, but it no longer exists. “Alien” (1979) and “Mad Max” (1979) confirm the arrival of this future without future, post-apocalypse, sad and melancholy.

"Prometheus" and "Blade Runner"
In "Prometheus" Ridlet Scott also returns to the theme of the movie "Blade Runner": the encounter with the Creator. If in 1982 we see a replicant named Roy seeking a meeting with his creator of Tyrrell Corporation to live longer (the replicants were scheduled to live only four years), in “Prometheus” the whole purpose of the LV-223 moon expedition is to find in the "Engineers" the answers about the purpose of existence and the fight against old age and death.

“Blade Runner” was an adaptation of the work of writer Philip K. Dick (“From the Androids Dream of Electric Sheep”) with explicit Gnostic inspiration: the man in search of his Creator / God finds that, in fact, He is but one. Machiavellian Demiurge who doesn't love him.

The android David finds the divinity in the human soul itself,
for "Prometheus" returns to this Gnostic theme: "the Engineers" are neither gods nor benevolent and wise, they are crazed Demiurges about a technology that turned against them in a cold moon lost in the middle of nowhere.

Rather than finding comforting answers to the great religious and metaphysical questions, the ship's crew faces the first generations of the "Alien" xenomorphic monster.

The archaeologists' disillusionment with the "Engineers" about their purpose in creating humanity is the same as that of David David in relation to the humans who created him:

David: I'm sorry the "engineers" are all dead, Dr. Holloway.
Dr. Holloway: Do you think we wasted our time coming here?
David: What purpose brought you here? What did they hope to achieve?
Dr. Holloway: Meet our Creator ... get answers ... Why they made us.
David: Why do you think your kind made me?
Dr. Holloway: We made them because we could.
David: Do you realize how disappointing it would be to hear the same thing from its creator?

Here "Prometheus" returns to the nihilism of "Blade Runner": just as replicant Roy finds disillusionment in realizing that his creator Tyrrell created him for no more noble purpose, android David experiences that same disillusionment. In turn, Holloway and Shaw will know this disappointment in the worst possible way when seeking the truth about the "Engineers."

In proposing nihilism as the result of the search for gods and the meaning of existence, "Prometheus" addresses the old central theme of Gnosticism: indeed, the search for the sacred lies within man himself, in the soul, not in some external entity or sense (God, All, etc.).

This is clear from Android's effort to understand in man what he lacks: the soul.

Remembering the little Disney animated robot “Wall-E” (2008), David spends his time watching the movie “Lawrence of Arabia” (1962), memorizing the lines and trying to look like actor Peter O'Toole (Wall - And watch the 1969 musical "Hello, Dooly!"). David is fascinated by his creators, just as humans are fascinated by the "Engineers."

But the archaeologists Holloway and Shaw fail to realize that the truth is before them, not the "Engineers": it is in the android David who can see within himself the divinity itself.

Text: Os deuses estão mortos no filme "Prometheus"
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-12-19 03:03:10
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I did not get why the Engineer killed himself in the beginning? What was it supposed to mean?

 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-12-19 03:15:38
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Yeah, I wasn't clear on that point either unless his physical makeup was supposed to carry all the genetic material necessary for seeding life on the planet. Still, a people that advanced should be able to accomplish the same goal without committing suicide.
 
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Username: EUAFU
Date: 2019-12-19 15:53:27
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This start leaves a hole in the plot. If humans had contact with these "gods" later (shown in the cave paintings) then his act was not a "sacrifice" but a scientific experiment and as such would not need that whole drama.
 
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Username: CitizenShip
Date: 2019-12-19 16:44:14
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The sacrifice lets us know that even the engineers are believers in some form of religion but also then gives itself over to the theory of evolution and so contradicting itself!
Damn i used to love movies but the magik has gone, the only thing left are the awesome visuals!
 
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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2019-12-19 17:50:57
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I like Alien:Covenant better. Katherine Waterston filled it out nicely...
Brings up that naughty AI question or worry again. But, if we were living more as we SHOULD be living, we'd have nothing to fear, right? Seems like we should employ the AI toward helping us achieve that. HARMONIOUS living with life and one another. Eliminate all the BULLSHIT.
 
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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2019-12-19 19:38:50
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well the first movies planted the idea that there might be a back story forthcoming about the Engineers and their whole take on things
in the end they all turned out to be B movie creature features . The Engineers if you are of my same frame of mind are pretty much point for point Fallen Angels /Watcher/ Igrigori types as in book of Enoch. At least they have the same tech and all seem to be male,and have the same disregard for any life not theirs that they may encounter. Scott seems to have tried to imply that they created everything/or somehow altered everything. But not plants or artificial constructs. seems like he is arguing the various points of the story arch and deciding that even he cant figure it out given the paradigm box he put himself in. Alien Covenant appears to indicate a beginning is lost in the past and death overtakes the universe, AI David gets to be one hand clapping, the end
 
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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2019-12-19 19:50:00
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Well, he had his cuddly pets to develop and enjoy... Go around wiping out planets dominant life forms
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-12-20 03:57:31
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Rewatched Lucy today and the end of the movie reminded me of the beginning of the Prometheus movie. Lucy dissipated into a ubiquitous non corporeal form like the engineer did. Been a while since I watched Prometheus but did he also swallow something before he turned into the pond scum from which humanity evolved? If so, what is the message?
 
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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2019-12-21 21:29:12
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I believe that this was a reference to the Sumerian epics, where one of the gods volunteered to provide his blood in order to create mankind. He died as a result of this. Marduk created humans from the blood of Qingu, the slain and rebellious consort of Tiamat. He does this for two reasons: first, in order to release the gods from their burdensome menial labors, and second, to provide a continuous source of food and drink to temples. I am not sure that the humans were not part of the food and drink.
 
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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2019-12-21 23:19:22
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Thats a good catch (y)
 
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Username: JWW427
Date: 2020-05-10 20:25:29
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A very depressing film.
I think it offers some tidbit disclosure about our true origins, but it offers only sadness and guilt.
This film could be a centerpiece to the CIA's Project Mockingbird. I.e: programming for the masses.
 
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Username: EUAFU
Date: 2020-05-10 23:36:03
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More depressing than the idea that aliens created human beings from an animal to be slaves and mine gold?

In fact, an explanation that in the end does not explain anything.
 
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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2020-05-11 16:43:13
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funny you should bring this up this way, Jim Duyer brought it around to the Sumerian Gods narrative and he's right this really fits it, I read those texts and you do get the take away of the hopelessness of the average citizen of Eridu or Uruk after youve read enough of them. They basically leave you with the same feelings that this movie does.
I think it actually means what the ancient texts say about the old gods being reduced to a form of sentient sludge sloshing about in subterranean water courses, every temple, ziggurat, cathedral etc is built over these. If someone doesn't know about this connection it seems mysterious of nonsensical .But actually its an old old theme in religious worship.
 
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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2020-05-11 20:23:04
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One thing I have found in my research is that it was not about mining gold. Volcanoes can be set off with nuclear charges or with fusion weapons. The resulting magma contains everything from the below earth, including diamonds down to gold. So rather than "mining" think "collecting from the eruption spoils". Now as to gold, it really is not that rare, in the Universe so to speak. There are much more important metals, that are frequently found near gold and platinum, that are very rare in the universe - you can find a list of them on
Wakipeadia under rare earth elements. Now that would be worth, to the visitors, being collected by the human slaves. I also think that they are responsible for making gold something that was desirable, just so that in future generations, we would always do some of the searching for them, for free so to speak. Same thing for diamonds and platinum.
 
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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2020-05-12 07:18:58
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I agree it was never about gold it was always at least from the Sumerian the oldest writing with with all the hallmarks of what we think is civilization. science, commerce, literature, philosophy, history, religion. It is and was then about blood sacrifice and war for profit literally the exact same paradigm we are now finding ourselves in. Humans serve the gods, they are to give the gods the best of and first of everything, They need a system of wealth privilege and status to keep the sheep dazzled and hypnotized and the blood, biological material (Life extension) must flow unimpeded, which it does, for now.
 
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Username: wizz33
Date: 2020-05-13 12:19:18
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ill add that there are hints that matter can be made with thought, bacteria and technology (frequencies).
so think that the process and gesture of mining is important.
 
Anyone heard of "Black Goo"??? If no, search for it. Seems it appears in this movie:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asgmZAE17mE


Now I have a theory what this "GOO" could be in todays times, one of them is of course GOOGLE...: ) What could be the other?

Note I stumbled about this already years ago from a guy named Harald Kautz Vella...he also had a theory re. "morgellons"
 
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