SH Archive Rethinking Taos New Mexico, the Rio Grande, the impacts of earthquakes, and the ancient lakes of North America

[igneous]

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Username: igneous
Date: 2020-05-28 12:16:23
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(a few pics to set the right mood)

Even though this topic appears to have been done (extensively), I'm still going to chase down some more clues because I can't quite let it go yet. There are three things that seem preposterous: Why hasn't there been more extensive studying of the Chaco Canyon? The public answer is $$$ but I think it's more convenient to just leave it be. Number two, how can two large bodies of water just be GONE and everyone just kind of shrugs? I know the earth changes, but given the timeline of indigenous tribe myths - changes to maps - shape of the land . . . this brings me to my third point which is I don't think this happened all that long ago. At least not 12,000 years.

Recent history has proven that people were boogeying around the world way earlier than we learned about in grammar school. Even with a broader search on an older timeline, we should be able to find something. True, some of the artifacts and stories are few and far between but that's never stopped historians before.

This is a Japanese Map from 1785 (found here, amongst one of the Japan Map threads). And look! Two lakes. Did they make that up? Where did they get their information from? Does anyone here know Japanese?


Here is a very readable article about evidence for a Great NorthWest event in our past. I feel like it really hammers home the carving and reshaping power of massive amounts of water being released at once.
Biblical-Type Floods Are Real, and They're Absolutely Enormous

This is an article from NPR:
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11828089
It is not the society or era we are looking at, but by better understanding the cycles of the past, we can perhaps find repeating patterns that can be tracked down and proven. I also like this article because the guy gets a little poetic and one is struck anew by the raw power that is the American Southwest (first time I went out west I literally cried a little but it was because I hated the open-ness bookmarked by crazy mountains).

I looked for scholarly articles that talked about floods or chronology or archaeology (historical & present) - I agree that it is kind of a broad spread but we are looking for more information that could potentially lead to more information. I also wanted to pay very close attention to that late 1600 period. And look! A scholarly article about how the timeline is messed up. There's other stuff in there about flooding, as well.

Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=_...archaeologists proof great flood taos&f=false


Some mythology on page 3: https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/534134.pdf


There's that time-frame - 1680: https://books.google.com/books?id=I...XIEHfxqAK8Q6AEwAXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false



https://ceetep.oregonstate.edu/site...ive-american-oral-tradition-and-mythology.pdf



I have some more items that I am going through; I do this because it is thought-provoking and forces me to ask important questions . . . I don't expect that anything will be solved or concluded. Anyone else do things like this for their own headspace?

 

[Archive]

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-05-28 14:22:15
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Book of the Hopi a good reference. Or those people in general because of their creation myths and tales of four different successive worlds.
IMO "Native Americans" or "Indians" (feather not dot) history on this place doesn't all go back that long. They came from elsewhere as well. And cataclysms seem to be the beginning. Maybe the late 1600s or early 1700s or later.
Good thread and posts! Now you can tackle the rest of it!
P.s. I think EVERYONE suffered from amnesia and loss of memory.

 

[Archive]

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Username: WeeWarrior
Date: 2020-05-28 16:06:08
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Since we are discussing the Taos Pueblo, I would like to acknowledge how it fascinated Mabel Dodge Luhan as revealed her writings by biographer Lois R. Rudnick in "Edge of the Taos Desert: Escape to Reality"

Her company of artists and writers who came to Taos shared the belief that the Taos Pueblo was indeed the lost “Red Atlantis”

She introduced this "Golden Age" attitude to her artistic friends like D.H. Lawrence, Georgia O' Keefe and Ansel Adams, all of whom eventually resided in her villa in Taos.

Very interesting place, I spent many idle hours there going through the library and soaking up the vibes!
https://awakeningintaos.com/

 

[Huaqero]

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Date: 2020-05-28 18:17:40
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I thought the Taos Hum would have appeared in this thread, by now...

 

[Whitewave]

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Date: 2020-05-28 18:52:25
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I thought the Taos Hum would have appeared in this thread, by now...

Is there something specific about the hum that ties into the topic of this thread?

 

[Huaqero]

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Date: 2020-05-28 19:14:38
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Is there something specific about the hum that ties into the topic of this thread?

I think it may tie to it (assuming the hum exists), if it is related to the underground geology of the area, maybe air or water flows through cavities ...

 

[Archive]

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-05-28 19:41:21
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I think it may tie to it (assuming the hum exists), if it is related to the underground geology of the area, maybe air or water flows through cavities ...

I never heard it when we were there during a road trip six years ago, but I did notice a vibration or tension. But haven't heard anything. Traffic was loud though. Summertime. Wasn't there at night.

 

[Huaqero]

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Date: 2020-05-28 20:10:22
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I never heard it when we were there during a road trip six years ago, but I did notice a vibration or tension. But haven't heard anything. Traffic was loud though. Summertime. Wasn't there at night.

Internet myth, probably, or... (turning 'conspiracy mode'>On) some are deliberately circulating 'mystery' stories to cover PTB activities there...

 

[Archive]

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Username: WeeWarrior
Date: 2020-05-28 20:22:56
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I thought the Taos Hum would have appeared in this thread, by now...

It did, kinda, I cover it my Sand Castle Reality blog that I linked earlier. I arrived just after the "investigation" was concluded and NO ONE swallowed the official story. Everyone was pretty sure it is linked to the underground bases that honeycomb that region.
So, I found this Wikipedia page listing ancient lakes. I was trying to find old Salt Lake southeast of Santa Fe that I encountered years ago when studying the region. There were foot trails all the way from Colorado leading to it. No luck yet but I'll find it soon.
Anyway, imagine my annoyance when I found NO listings on that page for ancient lakes in New Mexico (or Colorado or Wyoming for that matter) even though we have SEEN them on these old maps. Geez they are getting sloppy!
So I finally found the Great Salt Lake 7 miles east of Willard, NM.


I've been speculating that this Salt Lake, along with the one at Grulla National Wildlife Refuge just down the road, were the backwash from the dumping of that huge lake we see on old maps Northeast Utah which created the current Great Salt Lake, wiped out the Alamosa Lake, roared down the Taos gulch into Santa Fe and dumped a huge floodplain onto the area east of present day Albuquerque.

Of course, this has made me wonder if there is evidence that Santa Fe may have suffered such a fate? Well, I did find this artist's rendition based on archeological evidence of the original Santa Fe, which he tried VERY hard not to make look like a Star Fort.

Which suggests it was once a walled city, eh? Could those walls may have keep a raging flood from totally devastating some of the city while some old world buildings outside, like the Governor's Palace, took a beating?

 

[Jimbo]

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Date: 2020-05-28 22:59:20
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When I see these photos I always remember the theory of the electric universe. That would explain the changes in short periods of time.

Just a couple of videos:

The Grand Canyon in the Lab.
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Mountain Creation
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Thanks for the thread.

I believe in both the electric universe theory and the growing Earth theory. I don't know if one cancels out the other though.

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-05-29 01:38:14
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Hiking, rafting and camping season is upon us.
I'm going to have to figure in SW exploration of the past in our adventures.
Nevada sort of an enigma. Weird place. Not spent as much time there or Utah or Wyoming so much. More in Arizona and New Mexico and Colorado, of course.
But I wasn't hip to this shit until fairly recently.
Four corners. Squared off. Ish.
Love this area! Hopi say since it was destroyed last time it won't be next time. That's why they've stayed put. And they came out of the earth after the last one, so maybe they could go back in.
Ant people.
Chilam Balam: Translation: XIV: A History of the Spanish Conquest
Chilam Balam: Translation: XIV: A History of the Spanish Conquest

 

[Archive]

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Date: 2020-06-01 03:23:20
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The dried lakebed of ancient Lake Lahontan lies to the east of where I live. There are legends of giant, red-haired barbarians who used to live there as well. Could they have been Tartarians? I actually was just in that area yesterday exploring the caves and petroglyphs at a historical site there. At the time of habitation, the area was apparently a lush wetland with a deep lake. Also, some of the rock formations look suspiciously like concrete, and some are shaped like fortresses or buildings. Maybe there were cities out there, and they got melted and petrified somehow.

 

[5thGradeKid]

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Date: 2020-06-08 01:39:13
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I live in the San Luis valley. Mom’s in town visiting so we’ll be driving all over if anyone wants modern day pictures of anything.
it’s more or less common knowledge that most of the northern valley was once a lake, and not even too long ago. The reason that it isn’t is usually attributed to poor water management. The opening of the gorge makes more sense to me though, assuming it wasn’t open a couple hundred years ago. It’s big enough of a gash that old maps ought to have at least mentioned it.

another interesting place is the Wheeler Geological Area, located just East of Creede, CO. “Ancient” volcanic eruption site.

 

[Archive]

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Date: 2020-06-08 02:42:06
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I live in the San Luis valley. Mom’s in town visiting so we’ll be driving all over if anyone wants modern day pictures of anything.
it’s more or less common knowledge that most of the northern valley was once a lake, and not even too long ago. The reason that it isn’t is usually attributed to poor water management. The opening of the gorge makes more sense to me though, assuming it wasn’t open a couple hundred years ago. It’s big enough of a gash that old maps ought to have at least mentioned it.

another interesting place is the Wheeler Geological Area, located just East of Creede, CO. “Ancient” volcanic eruption site.

Early visitors trekked to the new national monument and sang its praises. Frank Spencer, the supervisor for Rio Grande National Forest, described a 1908 trip: “There before us, enhanced by the rays of the setting sun, lay the vista of what seemed to us an enchanted city,” while National Geographic Magazine compared it to “the wondrous Garden of the Gods.”

The monument, however, was never developed.


The Fascinating Story Behind Wheeler Geologic Area
Sorry for the abrupt response, I was in the middle of dinner when I saw your reference to the Wheeler Geologic area.
So I'm back to say thanks for the info, I had heard of it but had no idea it was so fabulous!
Interesting that it is still so inaccessible.
Have you been there?

 

[5thGradeKid]

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Date: 2020-06-09 04:59:09
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I haven’t been there yet! It’s a four hour drive from the Western edge of the valley, a sixty mile drive, and i’m Not sure my car would handle that well. I’ll have to hike in one of these days!

Check out this article in this week’s local paper.
La Garita is home to “Penitente Canyon” one of many garden of the gods type spots in CO with miles of ridiculous looking rock formations.

 

[Revelinmusic]

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Date: 2020-06-18 15:44:05
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Okay. Paraphrased straight off of university resources:

In 2004, a book was sold that caused a controversy in the Grand Canyon National Park.
It starts with saying that the bottom of the canyon is 1.7 billion years.
Then Teach says, that is wrong.
A book by Tom Vail: "Grand Canyon Different View" says that the canyon is thousands of years old, not millions or billions.
The article then goes on to describe the canyon and religion:
Several plaques were removed that contained bible verses, but the National Park Service ordered them to be replaced.
(Keep in mind this is 2004, a lot has changed.)
Then after this, the book by Tom Vail showed on park souvenir shop shelves.
Geological organizations asked the book to be removed off the shelves.
One of the propagandists a the National Center for Science Education uses false logic:
You cannot put a Holocaust revisionist book on shelves because that is crackpot history.
Noahs flood causing a canyon is crackpot science.
300 copies had sold since August and it was left on the shelves for the meanwhile, as it was allowed because it fell into an inspirational set of books and poetry.
The grand canyon association said that: bringing a wide range of viewpoints is important. And he assumes that intelligent people can read those resources and come to their own conclusions.
The article finally notes that the some of the funds from those book sales will fund the mainstream Grand Canyon creation model.

Obviously this article says a lot.
Freedom of Speech and mainly pressure from organizations to take the book down.
Why would this be crackpot science?
Obviously if there is tons of water and thousands of feet, when it drains, it is going to cause very very strong currents that could erode sediment away very quickly.

P.S. Can you even believe this type of thing was broadcast via NPR!?