SH Archive San Francisco: 1906 vs. 1909

[Timeshifter]

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Username: Timeshifter
Date: 2019-10-21 07:47:29
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That Roman building front and centre looks completely out of place with the rest of the 'ruins'

also, those bleached out skies...

 

[Archive]

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Username: aero618
Date: 2019-10-21 20:43:01
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There are some good photos and reports on The Project Gutenberg website available as EBooks or view as htmls

The Fire Area

for reference



from: Link

one thing it shows is high rise steel-frame buildings were under construction at the time

also shows under construction high-rise

refugees in Union Square with fire approaching

It is said the earthquake most effected the inner suburban where the more wealthy lived whereas the fire desimated the down town Latin/Irish/Chinese quarters. Also, the military flattened vast swaths of complete city blocks to prevent fire spread, so many street level photos of the aftermath may actually show building flattened by artillery & dynamite.

An interesting read of the Relief organised after the fire for homeless and new cheap homes
Link

 

[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-10-21 20:53:02
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What a crack up of a picture. At first they had some crazy earthquake, after which they had a decent size fire. Yet everybody had time to get dressed, and grab some belongings.

Then, like they have no clue what an earthquake is, they just lounge waiting for them highrises, and columns to come down on them.

 

[Archive]

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Username: studytruth
Date: 2019-10-21 21:07:59
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It is pictures like that one above that makes me feel like we are looking at extras on a movie set

 

[wild heretic]

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Username: wild heretic
Date: 2019-10-23 10:27:42
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This is one of the the most important subjects in the history of the last 200 years. If this can ever be explained, and maybe only with some type of time travel seeing device...then a lot of our questions about other things would be answered. How was this city looking like that in 1908 or 1909 when 1906 was supposed to have happened.
The standard history for this is 100% impossible. You couldn't do it with modern machines and a workforce of 100,000 today.
If the truth can be found here, we will be a big step of the way to finding out the entire last 2-300 year truth

I completely agree. TBH, I am totally flummoxed. I haven't a clue how it was rebuilt.

Speculation as to its destruction is fine, you know, losely firing the word "Tartary" around the place and a previous civilisaton (although I say that was "us"). Ok, that is one thing, but no answer bar "magick" or "we live in a matrix simulation" can explain the rebuild I think.

I hope they all had insurance. That always makes the rebuilding process go way faster.

Makes even less sense when you look at the economics at the time. There was the 1901 Stock market crash, the Recession of 1902-1904 when business production was down 16.2%. That was followed by the economic downturn of 1906 that was severe enough to lead to the establishment of the Federal Reserve (or the Rothschild Reserve). Then there was the Panic of 1907 that lasted just over a year. Business production was down 29.2% and there was a severe money contraction.

Population was 76,212,168 at the turn of the century with over 31 million people living on farms and the median age for males and females was 23.3 and 22.4 respectively. Sounds like there are probably lots of skilled craftsmen in that age group.

There was also only about 200 miles of paved roads outside of cities so getting supplies from the countryside would be rough. These are the same types of problems I have with the Expos of these times. Where are they getting all the money to build and rebuild all of these structures?

• Economic History of US
• Demographics US

Nice looking towers under the domes....
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1906 Earthquake and Fire photo gallery

Plissken

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KD edit. Towers discussion: Iron Church Towers: what are they?

Very interesting picture there. Definitely looks like some sort of receiving or transmitting device. It's like a radio tower. Possible atmospheric electricity to power lighting?

I'm thinking in the early days of electricity from the early to mid 19th century to the early 20th, technology and inventions were much more free then. Possibly only later controlled, shut down and standardized by patents and big business.

We need to research 19th century books on electricity towers in buildings and see if anything pops up. They can't have scrubbed everything, surely. Even if "we" didn't invent them, somebody must have wrote about them in the past.

 

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Username: lostcause
Date: 2019-10-25 02:07:17
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There is a fascinating article about the DC power grid in San Francisco: San Francisco's Secret DC Grid. It is unclear if this grid survived the 1906 earthquake or was rebuilt afterwards. Here is an excerpt:

Remnants of DC power distribution kept performing their assigned tasks for decades as the AC grid thickened around them. In fact, a few live on to this day. One of the best examples is in San Francisco, where 250-volt DC power still flows through underground and overhead cables across the city. These DC lines peacefully coexist with their AC counterparts; you can see this mix of currents straddling utility poles in the city’s South of Market district. DC’s perseverance in that neighborhood seems fitting, for it was just a few blocks away that the tiny California Electric Light Co.—a forebear to California’s dominant Pacific Gas and Electric (PG&E)—became the first power company in the United States, and possibly the world, to supply electricity to multiple customers from a central generating station. It was in September 1879—a full three years before Edison turned on his famous Pearl Street generating station in New York City—that California Electric began burning coal, raising steam, and driving dynamos in a wooden shack at the corner of Fourth and Market streets to feed current to its customers’ electric lights.

For most of the past century, PG&E has supplied San Francisco’s DC elevators via a citywide DC grid. While its origins are obscure, this DC grid likely came together organically as neighboring—and, in some cases, competing—utilities absorbed one another and wiring coalesced into one great citywide circuit.

I'm thinking in the early days of electricity from the early to mid 19th century to the early 20th, technology and inventions were much more free then.

Yes, it sounds like the DC grid was organically "grown".

 

[Archive]

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Username: Banta
Date: 2019-10-26 21:29:08
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I completely agree. TBH, I am totally flummoxed. I haven't a clue how it was rebuilt.

Speculation as to its destruction is fine, you know, losely firing the word "Tartary" around the place and a previous civilisaton (although I say that was "us"). Ok, that is one thing, but no answer bar "magick" or "we live in a matrix simulation" can explain the rebuild I think.

If there even was a rebuild then. There are too many variables here. The photographs could be from different times all together. I'm guessing something happened in San Francisco in April 1906, mostly because of newspapers, but I'm never going to claim that newspapers ever had a moral authority to report the truth. At face value, the pictures here I think imply there was no city wide devastation (of buildings anyway, gulp...) during that time period. The implications of that would be astounding.

I wonder if these fires and disasters weren't a way to keep people away from a "quarantined zone" of some kind...

 

[Archive]

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Username: Recognition
Date: 2019-11-10 19:54:26
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What a crack up of picture. At first they had some crazy earthquake, after which they had a decent size fire. Yet everybody had time to get dressed, and grab some belongings.

Then, like they have no clue what an earthquake is, they just lounge waiting for them highrises, and columns to come down on them.

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I only played with contrast-zero colorization- this is really weird- irridescent blob in the sky that they are all cleary looking at!

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2019-11-10 19:59:24
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Haven't been as SCHOLARLY as many of you, but was the disaster closer to the ocean and WHERE was the WHITE FLEET?!!
Maybe they were testing out their guns on good old civilians before making their presence known to the rest of the world.
Good old rough ridin Teddy. Just needs a big HUG.

I know there was the stupid excuse of using dynamite to try and suffocate fires, but how big WERE those explosions REALLY?...

Pretty windy out there, too. Just got some dvd collections from eBay. Watched some San Francisco 1915, and the fountain is practically blowing sideways from the wind.
So, if fire was ranging and raging across town, guessing mostly west to east, and set to destroy practically 90% of the city, NOBODY WOULD BE STANDING AROUND WATCHING. They would keep obsquatulating and get the hell OUT of town.

 

[wild heretic]

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Username: wild heretic
Date: 2019-11-19 10:49:44
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If there even was a rebuild then. There are too many variables here. The photographs could be from different times all together. I'm guessing something happened in San Francisco in April 1906, mostly because of newspapers, but I'm never going to claim that newspapers ever had a moral authority to report the truth. At face value, the pictures here I think imply there was no city wide devastation (of buildings anyway, gulp...) during that time period. The implications of that would be astounding.

I wonder if these fires and disasters weren't a way to keep people away from a "quarantined zone" of some kind...

Yeah, I thought of that afterwards that the other explanation could be that the source material is wrong. Either wrong time, faked etc.

 

[AgentOrange5]

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Date: 2019-11-19 12:00:48
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As far as I understand all three [1906, 1908 and 1909] conditions of San Francisco are officially dated. Hard to believe TPTB could lay an egg like this.
Yet, it’s right here in our face. And, apparently it does not stop with 1908.

1907

The San Francisco streetcar strike of 1907 was among the most violent of the streetcar strikes in the United States between 1895 and 1929. Before the end of the strike, thirty-one people had been killed and about 1100 injured.

It keeps getting crazier and crazier. So just months after the city-wide devastating earthquake/fire that killed 3000 people, the streetcar workers went on strike and the ensuing violence injured 1100 more people? I would have thought people would have been tired of death and destruction after 1906.

 

[Magnus]

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Date: 2019-11-19 14:30:20
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That Roman building front and centre looks completely out of place with the rest of the 'ruins'

also, those bleached out skies...

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I know the bleached out skies thing comes up here a lot, but I believe it is explained by two things.

First is that pictures such as the one above are exposed for the shadows....plenty of detail in the shade areas still.....this would place the sky at least 4 stops above, which given the limited dynamic range of early emulsions would bleach the skies somewhat

Even more important is that early black and white emulsions were sensitive to blue and UV light only which obviously would mean the sky would be exposed more than everything else. Panchromatic emulsions became available around 1910, but took a while to catch on because you could no longer use a red safelight to load/process

Up until now I've not mentioned my background, because I didn't want to play the "appeal to authority" card, which often is bullshit. But between mid 80s and early 00s I worked as a research chemist for a well known photo film manufacturer, spent a lot of time in the library there, and have been interested in photography all my adult life......so I'm pretty well versed on photo history and tech (though I'm open to the idea pre 20th century photo history might have been messed with)

Just as a side note related to the above paragraph....Rochester NY had a lot of "Tartarian" architecture....haven't noticed a thread about it here yet, if I get the time I'll try and put something together about that

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2019-11-20 15:39:29
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I know the bleached out skies thing comes up here a lot, but I believe it is explained by two things.

First is that pictures such as the one above are exposed for the shadows....plenty of detail in the shade areas still.....this would place the sky at least 4 stops above, which given the limited dynamic range of early emulsions would bleach the skies somewhat

Even more important is that early black and white emulsions were sensitive to blue and UV light only which obviously would mean the sky would be exposed more than everything else. Panchromatic emulsions became available around 1910, but took a while to catch on because you could no longer use a red safelight to load/process

Up until now I've not mentioned my background, because I didn't want to play the "appeal to authority" card, which often is bullshit. But between mid 80s and early 00s I worked as a research chemist for a well known photo film manufacturer, spent a lot of time in the library there, and have been interested in photography all my adult life......so I'm pretty well versed on photo history and tech (though I'm open to the idea pre 20th century photo history might have been messed with)

Just as a side note related to the above paragraph....Rochester NY had a lot of "Tartarian" architecture....haven't noticed a thread about it here yet, if I get the time I'll try and put something together about that

Pretty sure all of this architecture is NOT Tartarian, we just don't know what to call it yet. But I lean toward the label MEDITERRANEAN in origin. Moors, Phoenicians, Atlanteans...
I think the old Gothic or whatever styles of cathedrals and such is closer to Tartarian.
All of this started bursting out of the seams around the same time and got lumped together.
And, honestly, I listened to Sylvie on NE ONCE and thought she was kind of cute (obviously a lot of information), but biased and now I can't listen to her at all. It's like finger nails on a chalk board to me...

 

[Magnus]

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Date: 2019-11-20 16:21:52
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Pretty sure all of this architecture is NOT Tartarian, we just don't know what to call it yet. But I lean toward the label MEDITERRANEAN in origin. Moors, Phoenicians, Atlanteans...
I think the old Gothic or whatever styles of cathedrals and such is closer to Tartarian.
All of this started bursting out of the seams around the same time and got lumped together.
And, honestly, I listened to Sylvie on NE ONCE and thought she was kind of cute (obviously a lot of information), but biased and now I can't listen to her at all. It's like finger nails on a chalk board to me...

I agree, and usually tend to call it Neoclassical (or mebbe it should just be classical, if this stuff is from before a reset). And though there is overlap, northern European Gothic is indeed quite different. If you go with the conventional chronology, the Gothic stuff is a fair bit older than the Neoclassical, and to be honest does tend to look it in the flesh (not just quality wise, but also context, weathering etc).

I used the term "Tartarian" because it seems commonly used here for neoclassical, so figured it would be understood, but I think you are correct to point out it we don't really know who made a lot of this stuff.

As for New Earth, I haven't watched any of Sylvie's stuff for a while, personally I love her accent! and she does present some interesting sites, was also the first place I heard of Formenko. My main gripe is her slant tends to be for violent man made catastrophe, whereas I favour natural explanations ever since I discovered electric universe ideas.

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2019-11-20 17:24:58
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I agree, and usually tend to call it Neoclassical (or mebbe it should just be classical, if this stuff is from before a reset). And though there is overlap, northern European Gothic is indeed quite different. If you go with the conventional chronology, the Gothic stuff is a fair bit older than the Neoclassical, and to be honest does tend to look it in the flesh (not just quality wise, but also context, weathering etc).

I used the term "Tartarian" because it seems commonly used here for neoclassical, so figured it would be understood, but I think you are correct to point out it we don't really know who made a lot of this stuff.

As for New Earth, I haven't watched any of Sylvie's stuff for a while, personally I love her accent! and she does present some interesting sites, was also the first place I heard of Formenko. My main gripe is her slant tends to be for violent man made catastrophe, whereas I favour natural explanations ever since I discovered electric universe ideas.

Yeah, I don't know what happened with me and Sylvie. It's literally like I threw a switch or busted a rod.
Initially thought it was SO CUTE, but then it sounded like a struggle. Oh well...
Perhaps a NORTHERN and a SOUTHERN convergence of styles. Plus all the facades and coverings, old and new.
I'm not granting any great acoustics or understanding of SOUND to those UGLY buildings of "state". A MORASS of noise probably. Like going into a "capital" building with all of the echoes and dead spaces. Maybe a DIFFERENT use of it. For whispers and secrets...

 

[Magnus]

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Date: 2019-11-20 22:07:23
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Yeah, I don't know what happened with me and Sylvie. It's literally like I threw a switch or busted a rod.
Initially thought it was SO CUTE, but then it sounded like a struggle. Oh well...
Perhaps a NORTHERN and a SOUTHERN convergence of styles. Plus all the facades and coverings, old and new.
I'm not granting any great acoustics or understanding of SOUND to those UGLY buildings of "state". A MORASS of noise probably. Like going into a "capital" building with all of the echoes and dead spaces. Maybe a DIFFERENT use of it. For whispers and secrets...

very good point about sound....psychoacoustics are tied to gothic architecture....I'm lucky enough to live ten minutes walk away from a medieval cathedral with a pipe organ and wonderful bells

 

[KD Archive]

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Date: 2020-03-04 02:57:31
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Tried to find a photograph with multiple construction cranes rebuilding the city. Nada.

 

[Whitewave]

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Date: 2020-03-04 04:00:30
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Are we even sure this IS San Francisco?

 

[intothevoid]

In these two films of SF's Market Street, allegedly filmed by the Miles brothers in 1906 four days before the 'quake' and the second film a few days after, many telegraph poles have appeared in the second film that aren't in the first. Also the overhead power lines for the tram cars;

There are other discrepancies in these films. And the traffic/pedestrians behave very unnaturally, all aware of the camera.

here are the original videos;


View: https://youtu.be/VO_1AdYRGW8


View: https://youtu.be/G1Grm4d-UII

 

[enthusiast]

I only played with contrast-zero colorization

The image on the postcard is too whitewashed. Also, the photo is saved with terrible compression. Hence the noise and rainbow crap in this photo.
Here's what I was able to find in good quality.

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Link to the original.
Link to the article where the photo was posted.