SH Archive Stars, Galaxies, Planets: how do we know what they are?

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Username: Banta
Date: 2019-09-23 17:42:12
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The Americans, the Europeans, the Indians, the Chinese all plotting together to tell us some fake stories about the moon?

Countries are not the only powers in this world and "governmental organizations" often have their own motives.

The inconsistences in all available space imagery is real and hard to dismiss.

However when viewed through the telescope, the stars are never any larger than they appear to the naked eye... but planets are, make of that what you will. Optical illusions? Possibly. Distance, size? Possibly!

To answer the OP question, we cannot know for sure KD, but I do believe that we cannot accept the ridiculous mainstream narratives. They make no sense to any of our observations.

Great pictures. I ponder sometimes what we would think a planet is without any preconceived biases. Especially with what is probably one of the first biases, that entities lived (could live) in the sky.

Unless that bias is actually objectively true and people knew that at one point...

 

[HollyHoly]

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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2019-09-23 18:26:29
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I'm pretty sure that stars and planets are not what NASA and so called space agencies say they are. They're forever making up interstellar monstrosities like quasars and black holes and nebulas and diamond planets blah blah. I "m always posting mocking FB posts about the space news because they make such outrageous claims about what's out there and how they know< yet another miracle probe that takes high resolution photos and and gas spectronomy of things that are trillions of light years away. Anyway here's video taken by a human on Earth of stars, watch this and see if for yourself if they are flaming gas balls trillions of miles away or if they are close. Golden Bubble Star .Once I saw the moon hanging halfway beneath thick clouds looking like a hemispherical ceiling light and I knew right then it wasn't in outer space. I know they aren't what so called science says they are. We have no way of confirming anything they tell us anymore than we can confirm the gold in Fort Knox

 

[Timeshifter]

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Username: Timeshifter
Date: 2019-09-23 18:43:24
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I'm pretty sure that stars and planets are not what NASA and so called space agencies say they are ,They're forever making up interstellar monstrosities like quasars and black holes and nebulas and diamond planets blah blah .I "m always posting mocking FB posts about the space news because they make such outrageous claims about what's out there and how they know< yet another miracle probe that takes high resolution photos and and gas spectronomy of things that are trillions of light years away. Anyway here's video taken by a human on Earth of stars, watch this and see if for yourself if they are flaming gas balls trillions of miles away or if they are close. Golden Bubble Star .Once I saw the moon hanging halfway beneath thick clouds looking like a hemispherical ceiling light and I knew right then it wasn't in outer space. I know they aren't what so called science says they are. We have no way of confirming anything they tell us anymore than we can confirm the gold in Fort Knox

It doesn't help anyone when amateurs insist on posting videos and photos of out of focus stars.

That is all this bubble star video is, an out of focus video of a star or planet.

While I agree with you 100% on the nonsensical stuff Nasa comes out with, these videos do nothing but ridicule real research.

 

[HollyHoly]

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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2019-09-23 19:17:49
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all due respect "bubbles" is unlike anything else in sky, also out of focus is relative I'm pretty sure the hubble photos are just as unfocused or we would have perfect raw images in living color photos of Earth in real time. My point is only that when people take raw images of whats in sky it doesn't match what we are told should be there and it's probably more informative because its unfiltered un redacted . We probably shouldn't even be able to see this much with only a camera if the properties of light and distance were as explained in text books etc

 

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Username: Timeshifter
Date: 2019-09-23 19:30:45
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all due respect "bubbles" is unlike anything else in sky, also out of focus is relative I'm pretty sure the hubble photos are just as unfocused or we would have perfect raw images in living color photos of Earth in real time. My point is only that when people take raw images of whats in sky it doesn't match what we are told should be there and it's probably more informative because its unfiltered un redacted . We probably shouldn't even be able to see this much with only a camera if the properties of light and distance were as explained in text books etc

I take in focus images, Raw images of the moon/ sun, sky and stars all the the time, and they look exactly like they apear to the naked eye. However out of focus stars and planets look exactly like the video you linked in your previous post. It is misdirection, 100%.

Focus is not relative, it is exact.

Planets in focus, also look how I have posted in my above previous reply.

An argument using misinformation is an argument that is dead before it starts, and does nothing but harm to those of us seeking real truths.

 

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Username: Raviolli
Date: 2019-09-23 20:41:28
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Have you ever looked at the easily recognizable constellation Orion? Watching it over a couple of hours you can actually see, that the sky seems to move (that is, the Earth turns around). So the stars do change their positions (not relative to one another but relative to Earth).

Nah as I said I wasn't making concentrated observations but just casual stargazing and nor am I keeping records so yes you're probably right.

 

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Username: zxcv0
Date: 2019-09-23 22:31:26
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Have you ever looked at the easily recognizable constellation Orion? Watching it over a couple of hours you can actually see, that the sky seems to move (that is, the Earth turns around). So the stars do change their positions (not relative to one another but relative to Earth).

You got it right the first time.

The stars move in a clockwise/anticlockwise rotation in both the south and north hemispheres. Those movements haven't changed since time immemorial. If the universe was ever expanding with stars and galaxies moving away from one another at breakneck speed, dragging all the planets that orbit them at equally breakneck speeds, the constellations would change consistently. They haven't, and they don't.

Of course, science tells us that we will see changes but only after several hundred thousand years. And that's good enough for most people.

If you want to believe it, feel free, though you probably also believe that it's just a coincidence the sun is 400 times larger than the moon and conveniently 400 times further away.

 

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Username: Recognition
Date: 2019-09-24 00:25:02
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A couple potential ideas about the sun and moon.

Here is a brief video about Nassim Haramein's theory that the sun is a stargate, using an old artifact he believes depicts the gate on the sun. I'm not sure where I stand on this theory, but I do love his alternate physics, which makes much more sense to me than classic physics.

Here's a video by Bill Bryson, I love his videos, he's thoughtful, funny and open hearted seeming.

He's posted a ton of videos of the moon that i recorded with a telescope he built, himself. (Which I find amazing). He has found huge structures, odd surface patterns, huge idols, etc. on the surface, and often talks about the colors on the moon, potentially signifying vegetation or lakes.

All I know is, for myself, the moon seems like a planet to me. One night I was swimming and the moon was massive and incredibly clear, all different colors, pinks, greens and blues. Ever since then, I've been pretty sure it's alive, Not a dead cold rock. But that's just me.

 

[Dielectric]

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Username: Dielectric
Date: 2019-09-24 02:34:16
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My God...what happen? I leave for a few minutes and the whole galaxy is spinning off to never, never, land. Lol~
You're right, you would be a fool to trust anything coming from officialdoom. Right now they are working hard to produce a stop-gap plug for Einstein's failed physics. See, the PTB know their lies are failing. They are working on basically trying to hijack the work of Ken Wheeler and to
repackage it under the banner of quantum physics. This is probably going to work for the majority whom have to have an official stamp of approval before they will accept information as truth. That's the end goal of an educational system devoted to mind control.

OK, so there's that. Now how do know what we are looking at? Well one thing I can tell you with absolute certainty is that there are no such things as black holes, but you don't need me to know this truth, you can see black holes for yourselves with a new tool called a ferrocell. There's no question the official explanations of Universe are completely incorrect and that the military industrial complex has known that since a least WWII if not since the turn of the last century.

A Ferrocell allows us to see the magnetic field in 3D and in it's real full scope. Light is supposedly an electromagnetic wave and by using this device you can see how light is effected by a magnetic field. I don't yet have a Ferrocell but I am planning on buying one in the near future to use in my own experiments.
Ferrocell
Ferrocell also has a link to this page and with some effort this information will give you truths you won't get anywhere else.
The Missing Secrets of ElectroMagnetism & Fractality – Ferrocell, CRT and Ferroliquid Revelations of Fractal Toroidal Electromagnetic Energy Dynamics – or in other words: Why we dont need anything else than Electric power potential and Magnetism to explain the whole Universe

These truths, as I call them, mostly come from the work of Ken Wheeler.
A note here about Mr. Wheeler is in order: A lot of people don't like Ken's style, not only does he tell you Einstein was an idiot, just as Tesla said he was, but also because he doesn't mince words or filter either. If swearing isn't your second language then you can learn it on the fly. Whatever failures Ken has are more than compensated for by a soul devoted to truth and spreading truth. If you want the truth then listen to Wheeler.
Uncovering the missing Secrets of Magnetism : Ken L Wheeler : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

So here's a video featuring Ken talking about the black hole of a magnetic field
Ken goes by the name of Theoria Apophasis on youtube. He has a very large church of which I am myself a pious member...lol~
Wheeler has developed what is now growing legs as physics called Wheelers Simplex Dielectric Theory. Now we don't want to get too sidetracked
but a magnetic field is a coherent dielectric field. I can explain that in another post or something if necessary or wanted. It's enough to realize that all around us, just as Tesla claimed, is another energy field. The dielectric field which is, of course, completely unacknowledged by convention.

OK, so here's a video by Ken showing you a magnet's field and the black hole that's created which Wheeler predicted that when they finally took a picture of a black hole it would exactly like the dielectric inertial planes of a magnet when seen under a ferrocell viewer, and of course he was right because Wheeler's is 100% correct about the way Universe really does work.
Put this in Youtubes search box to find the related video's on magnetism. "uncovering the missing secrets of magnetism"
You won't find them by visiting his channel unless you're a subscriber. Hope this helps all of us a little bit.

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-09-24 02:52:40
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I just do not see how sitting here on the surface we can be sure of anything. Whatever TPTB supports will fly, for why would they lie to us?

 

[Dielectric]

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Username: Dielectric
Date: 2019-09-24 03:26:49
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Well there's no question that the theories that have been presented as certified facts, and backed with supposedly proven Einsteinian Physics, are in reality wrong as night is to day. I doubt the earth is flat but it could be hollow. That may not be as cracked an idea as some imagine.

What we can be sure of is that the physics they have been marketing for the last century is deeply flawed if not willfully so.

In that last video I posted you can see how light is interacting with a magnetic field. This tells you right away that this Einsteinian idea of space being a rubber mat which is flexible and bends to be mistaken. Space is not a moldable fabric. Nothing of the kind. This is one of the mainstays of Einstein's physics about warping space which then has a whole bunch of other consequences, but the problem is that even if it were possible, which it isn't, it would take energy on a planetary scale.

Once you arrive at the understanding of how much power conventional physics says you need to warp spacetime there's a problem. Logically you know this theory has to be wrong because you cannot explain a UFO without having some sort of energy field on par with that the Earth or the Sun.
Something which is a slight improbability obviously, so there has to be another explanation, and there is but they don't want you to know that explanation.

All I can really say is that generally we can only say that what we have assumed about the nature of light in space is not necessarily true and you can see that in the way light interacts with the magnetic field in the Ferrocell lens. These are pretty interesting things. You can make yourself a cheap'o evidently. Good ones use optical glass which is where the cost comes from. All they are is two sheets of glass with some mouse milk (aircraft oil) and a spot of ferrofluid sandwiched together and surrounded by a ring of led lights with a battery switch.

Yea, we really don't have great information when you get right down to it. It's like they have been lying their asses off for so long that it's just assumed we are all idiots who will accept the most improbable explanations so long as it comes from an expert or nobel prize winner.

 

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Username: kentucky
Date: 2019-09-24 03:59:04
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He's posted a ton of videos of the moon that i recorded with a telescope he built, himself. (Which I find amazing). He has found huge structures, odd surface patterns, huge idols, etc. on the surface, and often talks about the colors on the moon, potentially signifying vegetation or lakes.

All I know is, for myself, the moon seems like a planet to me. One night I was swimming and the moon was massive and incredibly clear, all different colors, pinks, greens and blues. Ever since then, I've been pretty sure it's alive, Not a dead cold rock. But that's just me.

Thank you for posting the link to his work, I'm super excited about viewing some of his recordings. I've been staring at the moon for a few years now (both through a p900 and through other people's work) trying to discern the nature of it.

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-09-24 08:31:50
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There was this thread a while ago. I think it could be related to our discussion here:

• NASA: 1960s artificial Sun, Moon and Earthlight patents

 

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Username: Recognition
Date: 2019-09-24 10:30:50
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Another thought I had was what if the moon is a reflection of the earth, created some way? KD's early greek map of the earth looks similar to moon's surface, imo. That could explain its fixed, never changing reflection. You'd have to really mistrust google earth, but I'm already on board for that @kentucky my pleasure, enjoy!!

 

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Username: Samson4prez
Date: 2019-09-24 12:45:15
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all due respect "bubbles" is unlike anything else in sky, also out of focus is relative I'm pretty sure the hubble photos are just as unfocused or we would have perfect raw images in living color photos of Earth in real time. My point is only that when people take raw images of whats in sky it doesn't match what we are told should be there and it's probably more informative because its unfiltered un redacted . We probably shouldn't even be able to see this much with only a camera if the properties of light and distance were as explained in text books etc

Pixilation and the Rorschach effect... basically looking at out of focus or bad images and trying to make an analysis is equal to looking at an ink blot test and seeing satan... you see what you want to see... the number one problem with today’s society is most people do not understand how the unconscious and subconscious mind effect thoughts and perception... Take the movie Inception for example... the whole movie is like a blueprint on the subconscious mind... while also having multi layers that ppl still aren’t sure if Leo’s character was still in a dream at the end or not... Plus I’ve been a graphic designer for 17 years and firmly understand how pixilation and out of focus images can be misinterpreted and subjective.

 

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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2019-09-24 17:53:38
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I don't think anything NASA or space agencies or telescope arrays or whatever put out is credible. Every image is a artwork by some graphic artist because they don't "take pictures" of interstellar objects they are looking at things like temperature,and radiation and interpreting it based on ??? every article is an insult to our intelligence like this one Galaxies are being Murdered!

Here's an excerpt.

The life cycle of galaxies

As galaxies fall through clusters, the intergalactic plasma can rapidly remove their gas in a violent process called ram pressure stripping. When you remove the fuel for star formation, you effectively kill the galaxy, turning it into a dead object in which no new stars are formed.
In addition, the high temperature of clusters can stop hot gas cooling and condensing onto galaxies. In this case, the gas in the galaxy isn’t actively removed by the environment but is consumed as it forms stars. This process leads to a slow, inexorable shut down in star formation known, somewhat morbidly, as starvation or strangulation.'

oh the drama!!! murder it starts with Galaxies!! so violent so frightening!! Not ram pressure stripping!! something's got to be done!! Slow down science I can't keep up with your concepts can you dumb down your information so morons can understand it ?? maybe take your reams of dots and dashes and come up with a horror novel? make a Netflix movie out of it?

As VERTICO’s principal investigator, I lead a team of 30 experts that are using the Atacama Large Millimeter Array (ALMA) to map the molecular hydrogen gas, the fuel from which new stars are made, at high resolution across 51 galaxies in our nearest galaxy cluster, called the Virgo Cluster.
The first ever Canadian-led large project on one of the world’s leading telescopes is hoping to do just that. The new program, called the Virgo Environment Traced in Carbon Monoxide survey (VERTICO), is investigating, in brilliant detail, how galaxies are killed by their environment.
As VERTICO’s principal investigator, I lead a team of 30 experts that are using the Atacama Large Millimeter Array (ALMA) to map the molecular hydrogen gas, the fuel from which new stars are made, at high resolution across 51 galaxies in our nearest galaxy cluster, called the Virgo Cluster.
Commissioned in 2013 at a cost of US$1.4 billion, ALMA is an array of connected radio dishes at an altitude of 5,000 metres in the Atacama Desert of northern Chile. It is an international partnership between Europe, the United States, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Chile. The largest ground-based astronomical project in existence, ALMA is the most advanced millimetre wavelength telescope ever built and ideal for studying the clouds of dense cold gas from which new stars form, which cannot be seen using visible light.

so some vague data about denser or hotter or colder areas of 'space' leads to this hysterical narrative?? Actually it cracks me up but the price tag? ouch ! I almost hope that they know some important stuff they're just holding back to get power over the masses of fluoridated idiots like me but sadly I think they're really worried about Galaxies being murdered.


Given this ludicrous paradigm I don't think there is anything wrong with a guy taking a video if some stars or deep zooms of the moon with a nikon P1000 how could he possibly do worse? At least it didn't cost 1.4 billion earth units and there's no murder or ram stripping. What are stars ?? clearly we're never gonna know

 

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Username: rengel
Date: 2019-09-25 06:35:22
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... every article is an insult to our intelligence like this one Galaxies are being Murdered!

'Murdered'?

Intellectual honesty at least demands correct quotations! You're doing the same that you criticise in the linked article: dramatizing by using inadequate language. The correct title of the article cited is 'Something is killing galaxies, and scientists are on the case'. The whole article does not contain the word 'murder'. There is a difference between 'killing' and 'murdering'. Or have you ever 'murdered' the motor of your car?

That said, for my taste even the word 'killing' isn't appropiate for the phenomena reported. But then, 'The Conversation' is not a scientific site. They need clicks, and so they use click baits.

BTW: Do you think all these guys working with ALMA or any other such institutions are stupid or just pawns for some hidden power out to control and deceive us?

 

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Username: Casimir
Date: 2019-09-25 13:10:50
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BTW: Do you think all these guys working with ALMA or any other such institutions are stupid or just pawns for some hidden power out to control and deceive us?

It takes a certain level of intelligence to get that far in general. Believe in the machinations of math and physics or not, the tests testing ones knowledge of the standard narrative are not easy. In my subjective experience, there comes a point where if you don't play the game they will easily enough find someone who will- academia has largely turned into a selection of those who are able to play the game, and it's a given that everyone should be "x" amt of smart to be in it in the first place.

I have a friend I made in undergrad that found that out first hand at an Ivy League school he went to for post grad in Physics. A few years in he was disillusioned by the sad reality of academia enough to leave with a masters instead of PhD. There were ridiculous occurrences, pressure to publish a study they absolutely have questions about the experimental procedure for just to get it out there and add to the chances of getting another grant. High level academia truly seems like its a grovelling priest class ass kissing for grant money, and said grant money dictates ultimately what people are allowed to study. Convenient.

 

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Username: anotherlayer
Date: 2019-09-25 13:40:12
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I think I'm just gonna go with the theory that the earth was borne on the back of a tortoise. It seems to make the most sense. Sidenote... ever go outside at night and the moon is gone? That's nutty!

 

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Username: rengel
Date: 2019-09-25 18:40:47
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High level academia truly seems like its a grovelling priest class ass kissing for grant money, and said grant money dictates ultimately what people are allowed to study. Convenient.

This wasn't always the case. Once (before WWII) there was a time, where 'academic freedom' was an ideal, that people in universities could live up to - at least in Europe. But nowadays even in the institutions of alledgedly 'free research' holds:
He who pays the piper calls the tune.