SH Archive Stars, Galaxies, Planets: how do we know what they are?

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KorbenDallas
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2019-09-23 03:36:49
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Username: BrokenAgate
Date: 2019-10-29 19:58:02
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Thanks for that, Dielectric, I'll add it to my list of reading materials that I need to go through. I don't have Internet at home, so I use the library computers and do a lot of copying and pasting of any articles I can find that are relevant to whatever I happen to be studying at the time, plus I look for PDFs, videos, and anything else. Then I write notes at home, hoping to eventually make some sense out of all the non-sense that's out there. We can't trust anything NASA tells us, but every now and then, they'll let a bit of the truth slip out, such as this guy's admittance that NASA destroyed the technology for going to the moon. He flat-out admits that they destroy information, leaving one to wonder what other information they are keeping from us by hiding it or getting rid of it.
 
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Username: Dielectric
Date: 2019-10-30 16:02:56
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Oh well, you don't have to read it unless antigravity, plasma weapons, and UFO's are somethings that really grab you. I mean you have to really be involved to have stuff like this make sense because you have to devote a lot of time and thought to them. My main purpose was just to say, hey I've been down this path and this guy here is the only one whose making sense.

I've been where you're at myself and now that I've got a computer I also havethousands of books and pdfs and white papers from scientists on this computer which I'll never read, not to mention there's probably 100GB of photo's, drawings, and plans. Growing up in an information vacuum causes one be pathologically obsessed with collecting information. The sad part is almost all of it is either worthless wrongheaded when it comes to scientific material, or if it's something like plans for airplanes, boats, or models they are all also going to become obsolete the moment we all get a firmer grip on how to control gravity, and we are getting there.

Check this video. Here's something to give pause to our pre-programmed ideas about how the Universe works. There's other ways to magnetize a rock but none use this technique. Recall now there's perfectly round bolder's all over the world, especially in South America, which dovetails with pyramids but watch this first. I haven't tried this myself...yet.

How to magnetize rocks

Don't know KD, but I've heard this allegation before, the video on magnetizing rocks might have something to do with it. Notice he says in that video that; both rocks become magnetized~

Considering the video on magnetizing rocks, my question is whether we would have all that's necessary for a magnetic field on Earth without the moon? It seems like we really have a lot to discover because of so many lies and so much disinformation. I mean I'm in my 60's and I never ever heard about magnetizing rocks by such a method and yet this has to be some ancient knowledge judging by the spherical stones found all over the place. Like whoever made these spherical stones might have walked around these stones carrying other stones or objects to magnetize.
The stone spheres of Costa Rica

Stone spheres of Costa Rica - Wikipedia

640px-Pre-Columbian_Stone_Balls_at_Palmar_Sur,_Costa_Rica.jpg

They say the moon is geologically active which has some implications that it isn't man made.
The moon is still geologically active, study suggests
 
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Username: zatrix
Date: 2020-04-23 16:46:42
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Check out the captions and credits page, Release Images

"Artist's conception of SN2016aps, a candidate pulsational pair instability supernova. The explosion energy of SN2016aps, fueled by the shedding of a massive shell of gas, was ten times that of a normal-sized supernova, making SN2016aps the most massive supernova ever identified.
Credit: M. Weiss"


Bunch of baloney.
 
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Username: BrokenAgate
Date: 2020-04-23 17:00:17
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Everything is an artist's conception. Well, if galaxies are bajillions of miles away, we can't exactly take a camera out there and photograph them, right? So we are taught to accept these paintings as accurate representations of a real thing. Maybe galaxies are just swirly plasma things up in the night sky, not nearly as far away as we've been told...and also not nearly as interesting.
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-04-23 17:01:56
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Rinse Wash Repeat, 2007
Image credit: Illustration: NASA/CXC/M.Weiss; X-ray: NASA/CXC/UC Berkeley/N.Smith et al.; IR: Lick/UC Berkeley/J.Bloom & C.Hansen

This
one's a belter.
cygnus.jpg
 
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Username: Banta
Date: 2020-04-23 17:36:23
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I don't know about "not nearly as interesting." How interesting is something that in the conventional heliocentric model is so far away that it would take a leap in technology beyond anything in recorded history to even get anywhere near it.

The nearest "supposed small galaxy" (wiki's own words, for what that's worth) is proclaimed to be 25,000 light years away. That's 146,965,638,531,210,240 miles (235 quadrillion km) away. I don't care how cheap gas gets, you aren't getting there.

By the way, this galaxy of around one billion stars "contains a relatively high percentage of red giants" and was only discovered in 2003. This is curious to me because wiki also says, "Many of the well-known bright stars are red giants, because they are luminous and moderately common." So, red giants are bright, and this galaxy is by far the closest (next is twice as far away, you can multiple the miles yourself this time) and yet, we didn't even know it was there until 2003.

I know there's probably an explanation, I just don't really care at this point. If I presumed every object in the sky was the same size and brightness and therefore distance is the only factor that varied, my system would be no less ridiculous than the convoluted mess that exists in modern times.
 
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Username: zatrix
Date: 2020-04-23 19:14:51
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All this would be much more interesting and entertaining if we just admitted that it is science fiction.
We wouldn't need to spend billions of dollars on it.
Instead we could, oh I don't know, help our own Earthly race?

Elon Musk wants us to go to Mars.
Nobody stops him to asks him why?
Have we solved all our Earthly problems?
 
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Username: Searching
Date: 2020-04-23 20:03:14
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We are not interested in solving any problems here.
We are, however, interested in mucking this place up until it spits us out so we can then go muck up another place.

All those movies like Independence Day or tv shows like The Twilight Zone showed us aliens who had ruined their worlds and needed to take over Earth for survival, but I always felt they got it backwards.

It is we who are the scavengers.

I do not believe in the existence of planets. I think they are 3d representations of other dimensions/realms. To those whose sight is limited to only the material, they look like terra firma, but to those of us who can see through "the matter", they are energy, and energy is malleable.

One person can look at a log and envision a chair. Another can look at the same log and envision a fire, a release of the woods' energy to generate heat.
And they're both right, but the guy who wants to sit his ass down will only see a chair, and the guy who needs warmth will only see a fire.
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2020-04-25 15:46:54
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I freely admit I know nothing about space, the planets, stars or anything "out there". When such topics were discussed in school I just quit listening because none of it made a lick of sense to me.

For one, how can we be spinning like a button on an outhouse door and not feel it? When I turn a street corner in my car I can feel the leaning and reflexively adjust my muscles to remain upright while driving.

For another thing, how does the light from stars continue to reach our vision when they've supposedly been burned out for thousands and thousands of years? When I turn off my living room light (or witnesses an electrical blackout across town) the light just goes out immediately. Even in an eclipse when the sun is darkened, it's dark as soon as the sun is covered. The light doesn't continue to travel for even a few minutes.

Why are some stars (burned out lights) fixed and others are not? The official explanation makes no sense.

How can ozone form a barrier when it's an unstable element that does not hold together well?

How can a vacuum (space) exist right up next to an atmosphere? It's like those places where salt water and fresh water are touching each other yet don't mix. That doesn't make sense either.

How can the sun be a flaming ball of gas when it's in a vacuum in which flames supposedly can't exist?

How do astronomers know how far away space objects are? Did they get out there with a yardstick and measure the distances? We've known for quite a while that our eyes are not reliable recorders but we believe them when we look in the sky or through a distorting lens?

We live in an information age and are overwhelmed with factoids and tidbits of disparate information yet we KNOW very little.

When I ponder these things and try to make sense of any of it, I sometimes view the narrative as if I were from an alien world trying to put together the known "facts" in order to understand this strange realm. It usually makes about as much sense as an aliens understanding of this strange realm.
(I don't think I'm an alien, btw.)

I could ask these stupid questions all day and hear all the various points of view and novel theories and still wouldn't KNOW the answers. In the end, it all comes down to faith.
 
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Username: PANparadox
Date: 2020-05-31 15:16:22
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I suggest we buy ourselves some Nikon P900 cameras and prove some points. There is also a fairly easy way to prove the shape of the earth with some fishing lines and a few sticks over a straight line next to a pool of water, like a canal. You just need to submerge the fishing line in the water (let's say the length of the line would be a kilometer) and measure the depth of the line in the middle of the distance (the fishing line has to be neutral to water, not drowning and not flowing). If the measurement is greater than the at the ends of the line - the earth is concave, if it's smaller - convex, if it's the same as at the ends of line - it's flat.

concavity test.jpg
 
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Username: Samson4prez
Date: 2020-06-04 03:06:44
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I like where your head is at and I can tell we both have read and listened to alot of the theories... The united aether theory definitely makes alot of sense what I think causes people to not see it is the misconception of the the shape of earth... I don't think gravity and magnetism are different... I think we live on a flat disk magnet and the firmament or van allen belts are the earths electromagnetic field... I think the north pole is the center of the earths toroidal field and may lead elsewhere or perhaps to an inner earth or underworld or opposite charge reverse side of the magnet.... Every thing is electricity or perhaps everything is the aether with varying electric charges, frequencies and energetic states built up upon itself... I discovered a bunch of info about Tesla that really revealed to me why he isn't in the history books... He is responsible for all the direct energy weapons the government has been covertly using in Iraq and to start the california fires, control the weather, destroy the Oklahoma Fbi building and of course it isn't any more obvious than on 911 when the towers fell and disintegrated mid air before hitting the street which registered less of a seismic impact than a jackhammer... This is technologies and science tesla wrote about in books you can't find outside the library of congress which where written during the second half of his life after the wardencliff tower was abandoned... Telaforce, Scalar waves, particle beams he invented all that shit... I am also convinced his life's work was to create an elegant flying machine which is why he freely shared his patients and why generating high voltage electric current and tapping into the zero point energy along with the multiple methods of harnessing endless amounts of free energy he discovered were for the end goal of creating a ufo type craft... Studying similar topics you will find that high voltage currents ionizes the air and creates lift which is exactly the method of propulsion in UFOs... Whats sick is all the false science people are taught making ridiculously complicated equations to come to any remotely reliable conclusion... What is most interesting of all is that Trumps Uncle John Trump an MIT government scientist was tasked with going thru teslas papers and research after his death... ITs also weird that there is a book written a hundred years ago about Baron Trump and his trips to inner earth followed by a book called The Last President... Q anon hints at being able to time travel... Idk but Ive come across alot of things that seem crazy to the average person but upon further investigation all point to humans having the ability to basically do anything they can think of or extract from the collective memory of the past...
 
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Username: Dielectric
Date: 2020-06-04 22:49:05
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Thank you for the compliment. I do not dismiss many things simply because they seem improbable. A good detective never rules out any probability without a good reason. I think that one has to keep themselves open to every eventuality but as a detective the evidence must guide the conclusion. At some point we will ourselves be able to know by personal inspection. I have looked at a bit of the flat earth evidence and agree that many inconsistent facts exit.

If the earth were a torus or a body which may act like a torus, which may be without a physical visible hole, then it would be more like a bolide, whereas a plasma bolide tends to have a sphereical round column shaft running the length through the core, and the plasma bolide resembles an elongated bead in this sense. This fireball from space tracks a ray as undoubtedly all bolides do which find their way to our atmosphere. I would call these rays dielectric rays, or magnetic rays, and these bolides follow along a ray like a bead would follow a string going through the middle of the bead. Incidentally it's extremely difficult to find images of this. I have one stored but couldn't find it with a quick search on my machine. So the object here is that the earth with it's polar caps appears to have inductive rays which flow in through the polar end caps.

It's difficult to separate fictional counter~intel from facts in these matters, such as the earth is flat, or the earth is a donut, and so on, but counter~intel or COIN Ops would be doing these things to keep the waters muddy, to keep us imprisoned, not knowing up from down but employ some reverse logic here. I am not saying these are counter intel storied but the evidence point's that way in my view.

Ultimately weight in mass is the product of induction and which produces a Magneto~electric field in mass. This is distinct form an electro~magnetic field (there is a difference). Electric magnetism is not the same as dielectric magnetism and dielectric magnetism produces results not reproduced by electrically induced magnetism.

What this means is essentially that an object falling through a magnetic field in space inducts a magnetic field which produces a counter induction. We call these eddy currents in conventional electrical theory and follows Faraday's first law of induction. The earth falls constantly through space entrailed behind the Star and engulfed in an incoherent dielectric cloud. The planet is not in a "coherent" magnetic field or we would be pulled in to the Star itself. We are in an incoherent cloud entrailed by the Star known as the heliopause: Us and all our siblings planetoids.
 
"…scientists have announced tantalizing
hints that the universe is actually relatively
small, with a hall-of-mirrors illusion tricking
us into thinking that space stretches on
forever….Weeks and his colleagues, a team
of astrophysicists in France, say the WMAP
results suggest that the universe is not only
small, but that space wraps back on itself in
bizarre way (Nature, vol. 425, p. 593)….

Effectively, the universe would be like a
hall of mirrors, with the wraparound effect
producing multiple images of everything
inside.” [Spergel adds]: “If we could prove
that the universe was finite and small, that
would be Earth-shattering. It would really
change our view of the universe.”


(Hazel Muir, “Does the Universe Go On Forever,”
New Scientist, October 11, 2003, p. 6.)

In any case, applying parallax to the measure of
stellar distances has its limitations. Its advocates
admit that it cannot do so accurately beyond 300
light-years. Empirically speaking, then, no one is
required to commit himself to a universe greater in
size than 600 light-years in diameter. Any claims to
something larger are simply not conclusive, since it
has become obvious that, with all the anomalies
associated with measuring distance by a star’s
redshift, we have no indisputable yardstick to
measure the universe."

The above from "Galileo was Wrong" by Dr Robert Sungenis vol 1 p343
 
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