Stolen History Part 2 - The Destruction of the Old World

[dreamtime]

To gulp down all that deceit and greed in one mouthful left me feeling very depressed and hopeless. I don't intend my personal experience to be a criticism of the video but holy shit. I guess it's different taking in these alternate facts one at a time in a discussion thread makes it easier for me to swallow. "The Great Work" certainly doesn't concern itself with collateral damage.

Isn't the video embedded into a message of hope? It implies that there's meaning to everything, even to these times, and we will eventually collectively learn from these dark times.

 

[Safranek]

Congratulations on a job very professionally done. The content is congruent, subjects are tied together well, the visuals give the required effect for thought and the narration is excellent. It certainly gives credibility to our forum and I expect it will have the desired impact of creating curiosity and attracting new critical thinkers to contribute ideas and research in the future.

Isn't the video embedded into a message of hope?

Yes, from our 'educated' perspective it is, but understanding where Potato is coming from, it may be considered too harsh a disclosure for some, to realize that almost everything one's learned is a lie, but that is not the scary part.

The scary part is the realization that those who have perpetrated the lies have been and are in control of the 'system'.

When one discovers this, the first emotion to arise is fear. It takes some time for the intellect to reason out the factors and come to the conclusion that it has been this way for some time and life has happened regardless of the circumstances at hand at any given time.

To comment on the 'hard' disclosure aspect of the video (and many such videos), we have to consider that time is of the essence.

Meaning that we don't know how much time we have with a 'free' but heavily censored internet, so we must get as much of what we have derived to be the truth to date, out there.

Basically, I see it as a race. A race between those trying to open the eyes of those who have not seen reality for what it is and those who have been and are continuing to deceive the masses.

The more eyes that are opened, the greater 'our' chance of achieving that hope.

Time is of the essence.

 

[trismegistus]

Excellent job to everyone involved. Hats off in particular to the editor, as someone who edits video I understand what kind of effort is put into this, so for this kind of output and care to be taken on this project is nothing short of extraordinary.

And I’d be lying if I didn’t feel tickled pink my Erie County Savings building post got a nice spotlight

 

[Deleted member 1432]

I wasn’t going to comment in this thread, but against my better judgement here I am.risking a barrage of abuse. I have some issues with the narrative of this video, which I hope will be taken in the same spirit of constructive criticism as they are given.

I don’t understand how this:

Papal Catholics were accused, among other things, of being responsible for the mysterious fires that destroyed entire cities: The monument in the City of London about the London fire of 1666 still read until 1830, "The most terrible destruction of this city; begun and carried on by the treachery and wickedness of the papal faction."

resolves with the argument that all of recorded history prior to 1700 is a fabrication due to the cataclysmic reset.

This 1700s cut-off date also has other implications. Call me paranoid if you like, but the British are very much portrayed as the villains of the piece in this narrative. Whilst I do not dispute the veracity of the ‘facts’ you present to illustrate the pivotal role played by Britain in this tale, by excluding all history pre-1700 you are completely missing the events that led to Britain becoming ‘Kabal Central’. Without them it appears that Britain was and always has been, purely by nature, the ‘Evil Empire’.

I am also saddened to see that the past and present members of this forum are not thanked for their contributions in terms of research and inspiration. Perhaps you don’t consider that they made any significant contributions to the topics discussed? Your research team isn’t just the 10 members of your inner circle.

The list of people to whom the video is dedicated contains no forum members, as far as I’m aware. Rather it contains the names of those who have used this forum as a free resource for their own videos. I find this attitude very difficult to understand. The only visible link this video has with the forum is the title.

Personally I feel it’s a mistake to commit to a specific alternative scenario with definitive conclusions. It’s almost as if we can all pack up and go home because it’s all sorted out now. What incentive does this give for further research? If you don’t happen to agree with the scenario presented then you’ll either join the forum to engage in conflict or just walk away. I believe it would have been better to tantalise people with possibilities and then allow them to draw their own conclusions, but then what do I know?

Nevertheless, I sincerely hope that this video series will help to spread the word and repay all your hard work and investment of time.

 

[Prolix]

Personally I feel it’s a mistake to commit to a specific alternative scenario with definitive conclusions. It’s almost as if we can all pack up and go home because it’s all sorted out now. What incentive does this give for further research? If you don’t happen to agree with the scenario presented then you’ll either join the forum to engage in conflict or just walk away. I believe it would have been better to tantalise people with possibilities and then allow them to draw their own conclusions, but then what do I know?

I treated it as speculative rather than definitive, but within that attempting to weave a coherent alternative scenario. Which inevitably means there's a degree of "Well, I'm not so sure about that", particularly with (as you note) drawing on dating that does or doesn't support that scenario. If anything, inconsistencies presented suggested just how much further research is needed if true coherence is to be achieved.

 

[Safranek]

First, let me say that I don't think you will get a barrage of abuse. As you stated, you are offering constructive criticism based on your interpretation of the video content.

This 1700s cut-off date also has other implications. Call me paranoid if you like, but the British are very much portrayed as the villains of the piece in this narrative. Whilst I do not dispute the veracity of the ‘facts’ you present to illustrate the pivotal role played by Britain in this tale, by excluding all history pre-1700 you are completely missing the events that led to Britain becoming ‘Kabal Central’. Without them it appears that Britain was and always has been, purely by nature, the ‘Evil Empire’.

I can't speak for the creators, I can only share my opinion regarding how I interpret the part of the content you reflect on in your quote above.

The 'British' as mentioned in the video, is not the British people but the power elite behind the British Empire, those controlling the colonies.

Excluding the pre-1700 history is necessary to be able to point out the key factors regarding the events from then on, due to time limit.

I suspect the creators began by choosing the key points they wanted to address in the time allotted to the production which determined the final length. To me it seems that the key points they were striving to get across were;

- the taking, controlling of already existing technologies
- the falsification of the historical narrative to hide their purpose and actions
- hinting at who the perpetrators are by using 'British' as opposed to British Empire or actually naming all those in power, whom we can safely assume were not British as per the population of Great Britain of the time.

The list of people to whom the video is dedicated contains no forum members, as far as I’m aware. Rather it contains the names of those who have used this forum as a free resource for their own videos. I find this attitude very difficult to understand. The only visible link this video has with the forum is the title.

The 'thank you' 's of the video are clearly aimed at the content creators, parts of whose content was included in the video. As most of us in this forum do not have published content that is protected by copyright, the 'team' does not need to include us in this formality. Hence why we don't even know all of who the 10 creators are.

Regarding those creators using this forum as a free resource, its something we in this forum do all the time. We use the 'internet' as a free resource, and assimilate others' ideas with our own and post them here, sometimes giving reference while at times, not. This is certainly not because we intend to plagiarize those whom we've taken our ideas from, but in many cases we forget. More than once I wanted to quote the source of what I'd written but just couldn't remember where I got it from with the 100+ pages I had open.

Personally I feel it’s a mistake to commit to a specific alternative scenario with definitive conclusions. It’s almost as if we can all pack up and go home because it’s all sorted out now. What incentive does this give for further research? If you don’t happen to agree with the scenario presented then you’ll either join the forum to engage in conflict or just walk away. I believe it would have been better to tantalise people with possibilities and then allow them to draw their own conclusions, but then what do I know?

What incentive is there for further research? There's plenty both ways.

If you agree with the hypothesis, you have a wealth of ideas you can pursue to further untangle the time-line since the 'reset'. The video offers many subjects to research and contemplate.

If you disagree with it, you can provide research to show where its in error and if you manage to at least sufficiently prove your point by offering a better narrative for why and how things happened, the creators, in the following videos will get the opportunity to correct any presumption as new valid evidence is presented.

The bottom line is you have to start somewhere and you should risk drawing some conclusions and presenting them to be appreciated and scrutinized.

 

[dreamtime]

Your research team isn’t just the 10 members of your inner circle.

Actually with this roughly 10 people I meant everyone involved - narration, postproduction, translation, writing.

We have to start somewhere, obviously a 1-hour video aimed to arouse curiosity and bring our topics to a wider audience will have it's limits. The video makes it clear that the British Empire is only a part of the power structure. The latter part focuses more on America.

It should be clear that the 1666-date references the official timeline. Everything has to be seen in context. The quote by researcher Christoph Pfister creates a broader context in which dates such at this one can be interpreted to by merely symbolic.

The video makes multiple references to stolenhistory.net, and the video description says "written by stolenhistory.net"

I use a lot of quotes by Michelle Gibson, and wise up, newearth, conspiracy-r-us and Jonlevi inspired me with lots of their videos. The latter two regularly mention our forum. The video is meant to represent our forum to the public.

It's a good idea to list members whose posts have contributed to the video in the credits and credit the forum community, I will keep that in mind. By the way, afaik the only material from the forum I have used explicitly is from two threads by Trismegistus, one about the building he already mentioned, and the other about Zeppelin technology.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

Excluding the pre-1700 history is necessary to be able to point out the key factors regarding the events from then on, due to time limit.

I think you might have missed the point - respectfully. It isn't necessary it's an integral part of the scenario and it's not an exclusion it's a total denial. It's the annihilation of all recorded history prior to 1700. This includes any events that may have taken place to turn Britain into the Evil Empire.

- hinting at who the perpetrators are by using 'British' as opposed to British Empire...

To my mind the 'British' suggests the British People whilst the 'British Empire' suggests the institution.

As most of us in this forum do not have published content that is protected by copyright, the 'team' does not need to include us in this formality. Hence why we don't even know all of who the 10 creators are.

All forum posts are the copyright of the poster, I believe. They don't need to include 'us', but it would be polite don't you think?

We use the 'internet' as a free resource, and assimilate others' ideas with our own and post them here, sometimes giving reference while at times, not.

If you had the opportunity to express your gratitude for that would you take it? The 'Dedicated to' list got thanked.

The quote by researcher Christoph Pfizer creates a broader context in which dates such at this one can be interpreted to by merely symbolic.

I'm sorry, I don't understand that.

"written by stolenhistory.net"

Actually "written by Dreamtime, Mosaic and Stolenhistory.net." Isn't that a username on the forum used by the Administrator?

I use a lot of quotes by Michelle Gibson, and wise up, newearth, conspiracy-r-us and Jonlevi inspired me with lots of their videos. The latter two regularly mention our forum. The video is meant to represent our forum to the public.

So nothing from all the years of SH1 and then SH2 has inspired you then. The subjects and ideas presented in the video have never been discussed previously in either forum.

In my opinion, this video is representing your own personal version of history, not "our forum" and it's just being promoted under the 'brand-name' of Stolen History. You have created a doctrine and already the faithful are busy defending it. This video has predefined a new narrative for any new members it may attract.

 

[dreamtime]

Actually "written by Dreamtime, Mosaic and Stolenhistory.net." Isn't that a username on the forum used by the Administrator?

I quoted the video description. The part you refer to in the video says "dreamtime & mosaic, stolenhistory.net" which is me and another user of the forum. stolenhistory.net is the domain of the forum.

I'm sorry, I don't understand that.

How difficult it is to understand that the date 1666 is part of the official story, while we can simultaniously entertain the idea that dates before 1800 and especially 1700 are very difficult to take at face-value?

So nothing from all the years of SH1 and then SH2 has inspired you then. The subjects and ideas presented in the video have never been discussed previously in either forum.

Looks like your are bitter over something. You put words in my mouth. Please stop the bickering, it seems all you want to do is arguing.

It's absurd to say the video has predefined a narrative. Which video doesn't tell a story? It's just a video to make people aware about certain topics. People are able to think for themselves aren't they?

I even told you it's a good idea to mention forum members and thank the forum community, but it seems you don't even care. That tells me you just want to cause division.

 

[Jd755]

bring our topics to a wider audience

I do wonder what audience this video content is aimed at.

"written by stolenhistory.net"

It isn't!
It suggests everyone taking part in stolenhistory.net is onboard with the content and this is demonstrably not the case.

 

[dreamtime]

It isn't!

Of course it isn't if you equal the forum name with the entire community. You seem to think that the description implies that the community has written it, but this is nowhere stated. That's why the video contains the actual authors. The description is there to help people find the forum. My comment was a reply to Will who claimed that "The only visible link this video has with the forum is the title." which isn't true.

 

[Jd755]

. As most of us in this forum do not have published content that is protected by copyright, the 'team' does not need to include us in this formality.

Copyright attribution is anything but a formality.

Few bother to read terms and conditions pages but maybe they should.

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You are granting us with a non-exclusive, permanent, irrevocable, unlimited license to use, publish, or re-publish your Content in connection with the Service. You retain copyright over the Content.

"The providers" is/are not defined precisely if at all.

The providers ("we", "us", "our") of the service provided by this web site ("Service") are not responsible for any user-generated content and accounts. Content submitted express the views of their author only.

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In essence whoever the provider(s) is are can do whatever they want with the content hence no need for attribution in the video.

Edit to add

Of course it isn't if you equal the forum name with the entire community.

Therein lies the rub. I would suggest most folks who discover stolenhistory.net through watching the video content will assume/presume exactly this.
Perhaps a list of the people who decided and worked on the content and script of the video could be given out in the trusted members forum. Just a suggestion.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

Looks like your are bitter over something. You put words in my mouth. Please stop the bickering, it seems all you want to do is arguing.

Oh dear. I was expecting the personal pseudo-psychoanalysis. Calm yourself, I am out of this thread as of now so I won't cause you anymore discomfort.

 

[Deleted member 37]

If you don’t happen to agree with the scenario presented then you’ll either join the forum to engage in conflict or just walk away. I believe it would have been better to tantalise people with possibilities and then allow them to draw their own conclusions

I do wonder what audience this video content is aimed at.

I agree with these comments. It happened to me in another thread to be encouraged, so to say, to look at the opinions of other forum members, as if their opinions should be taken in special consideration. I didn't like that approach. I am fascinated by subjects on which I don't have a specific opinion but I'm too cautious to embrace something I don't understand and too proud to be teached by others what to believe, expecially when promoted as a 'must' or as a 'suggestion'.

EDIT: this is not a comment about the video. It's about the general topic discussed by Will.

 

[Catalyst]

Just finished watching it and write to congratulate creators of the documentary . The work is indeed professional. I hope that this documentary series will find the audience it deserves. Maybe in our desperate times people will finally notice a spark of hope in videos like this one and will start searching for the truth.

 

[dreamtime]

Just finished watching it and write to congratulate creators of the documentary . The work is indeed professional. I hope that this documentary series will find the audience it deserves. Maybe in our desperate times people will finally notice a spark of hope in videos like this one and will start searching for the truth.

we need to work together on putting your lost key articles into a video of our series!

 

[Catalyst]

we need to work together on putting your lost key articles into a video of our series!

I remember . But I need to finish the third part first. Working hard every day on it to finally make it happen. Had to put much more time into it as the stuff I was researching turned out to be more complicated than I expected. But I found everything I needed. Just need to compile the last chapter. I could have already released two separate articles out of the stuff that I wrote for Part 3, but since I promised that it will be a 3-part series, I need to stick to the original plan.

 

[Gypsum Fantastic]

Congrats. I'm still finding my way with all this (probably will take years) but I did also share the video with 2 more who are awake but who haven't heard much about the stolen history angle.

 

[E.Bearclaw]

I thought it was very good and would like to extend congratulations to those who spent time on it. I wonder whether it would be good and useful to have a thread in the forum that acts as a bibliography and contains sources and backing documents for the information and narrative displayed in the video? Kind of a supplementary resource, that may be useful for those watching the video and encountering its concepts for the first time.

 

[dakotamoon]

Excellent Job, Kids! You do this forum proud!

I try to post links to StolenHistory on podcasts like The Higher Side Chats, but even though they have guests from way out in left field, and have zero research behind them, who talk about greys and alien nonsense - apparently having our history questioned is just "too much for" that forum to handle. Sad..