Subaico Abbey in Logan County, Arkansas: A Diamond in the Rough.

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I came across this structure a few months ago while traveling for work. It is perhaps the most anomalous building I have ever seen. The reason is simple: this Abbey is essentially in the middle of nowhere.

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The closest "large" cities to it are Ft. Smith and Little Rock, still at least an hour car ride away. My drive past this area took me through towns that are lucky to have a Dollar General on their abandoned town strips. As a matter of fact, to this day the town boasts a population of a whopping 550 people (I believe this count does take the population of the Abbey into account).

The Subaico Abbey, according to the Benedictine monks who currently populate its halls,

Subaico Abbey, through the years
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The original monastery as viewed from what would now be approximately the highway.

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Snow falls on Subiaco College, a forerunner to Subiaco Academy, in this undated photo.


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Wolfgang Schlumpf (Pictured on right):
Father Wolfgang was born in the town of Steinhausen, near the banks of Lake Zug, Canton Zug, Switzerland, on January 20, 1831. He professed his vows as a monk of the abbey of Einsiedeln on September 25, 1853, and was ordained to the priesthood on Septem-ber 13, 1857. For 10 years, from 1852 to 1862, he served his community teaching at the Abbey School. In February of 1878, Father Wolfgang was informed that he had been selected to make a new foundation in Arkansas, and that he was to be ready to leave in a few weeks. Concerning this order, Father Wolfgang wrote to a friend of his, Father Ildephonse Huerlimann, dean of the abbey of Einsiedeln: "I don't like to leave St. Meinrad, but I can also become enthusiastic about Arkansas. Father Abbot has given the orders, and I know and firmly believe that it is the will of God."

The source I have for this man is the only thing I've managed to find on the internet that claims the existence of this person.


The Fire(s)
Surely you didn't think this would be a Trismegistus post where there wasn't a fire?

1901
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The hats are killing me here. Not only do these people look completely unlike a fire just burnt down their Abbey, but surely the Robe/Bowler hat combo is a fashion travesty!


1927
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Same building, same fire, back and front angle - - but where is the cross in the second photo???
Also cross off "weird stairwells leading to the un-buried second floor" on your bingo board.


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This Abbey grew by quite a considerable amount between 1901 and 1927, some 200 men were attending school here, which by today's standards is half their town population. Back then it likely held 99% of the population of that area, and likely the largest concentration of people in hundreds of miles. I think in all the buildings I've ever come across, this takes the cake in the building size compared to population of people department. Maybe I've been hitting the local moonshine a little too hard, but this building's existence as it is shown in 1927 is absurd.

The state it is currently in did not come about (allegedly) until the 1960s. The rebuild process took a nose dive after America's entrance to WWII and stayed in limbo until a few decades later. It seems ever since then the Vatican has been very kind to this place - - because even in 2020 it is still absurd this little Medieval haven is nestled away at the foot of the Ouachita mountain range.

Moreover, all three versions of this building (original, 1927, and modern day) are seemingly completely distinct - - building from virtual scratch every time. How long did it take anywhere from 20-200 monks and the small population of the surrounding areas to go from ground zero in 1901 to this building 26 years later? My research has not given me an answer.

That is quite convenient. Already under construction or already finished?

This is a confusing part of the timeline. As far as I can tell, there is no evidence this "primitive" school existed in the ashes of the fire. Is that what they are calling the current structure? As per usual, there are more questions than answers.

The "Hunt for Evidence"
I did manage to find an article regarding some semblance of journalism on the topic of Subaico Abbey history:

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Native stone was meticulously cut and fitted to form the foundations of the nuns' residence and school.
If I can try and piece together their timeline on this magic building, there was an original area that this monastery was built, that no one could find for 100+ years until one day a couple of good ol' Arkansas boys discovered a magic photo that led them to the above "cornerstone" that is basically indistinguishable from the rocky terrain of the Ozarks.

There is another nugget in that article that made a connection I hadn't made until I started writing this thread. The reference to a hand cut stone cistern. I could not find any evidence online of this stone cistern, but it got me thinking about a recent hike I took.

A Curious Find

This hike took place north of Ft. Smith, AR in the Lake Ft Smith State Park.

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It is approximately 60 miles away, as the crow flies. The reason I bring it up is because while I was on that hike, I encountered an extremely anomalous "carved" stone cistern.

Unsurprisingly, the most I can find on this can be found in the visitor's center of the park. There is a small plaquard along the timeline listing it as a well "built sometime in the early 20th century." Even if that were true, as you can see in the last picture the edges are very clearly machined, and not hand carved. Also, that is not a piece of stone, that is carved out of the natural rock in the area. This would require some serious machinery to accomplish so successfully. Nothing that a couple of moonshiners and prospectors would lug with them in those days.

Now, it would be disingenuous to claim that the hand carved stone cistern at the Subaico Abbey is similar to this strange well I found. However, when you consider both the existence of a fairly advanced cistern and the Abbey within 100 miles of each other in rural Arkansas, one starts to see this area in a different light.

(More) Questions
  • Why do these Monks occupy such a remote area?​
  • Was it Benedictine Monks who built the structure we see burnt in 1927? Or did they simply just begin inhabiting it?​
  • Is it my understanding that this burned out husk of a structure remained as it was in the photos until the late 50s, when it was finally torn down to make way for the current building?​
  • If these found "rock foundations" are what they say they are - - do these fitted stones match the photographs of the original Abbey?​
  • Is the Abbey built on top of a previously existing stone structure? Perhaps one that uses advanced engineering like the cistern I came across not too far away?​
  • What is the explanation for advanced engineering in this area of the country in what is believed to have been the "early 20th century"? Most of these places in 2020 have not grown substantially past what they were 100 or even 200 years ago.​
  • Could these two discoveries be connected to a previous civilization that roamed this plateau?​
  • Does the Vatican know something about this area we don't?​
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Username: Armouro
Date: 2020-03-01 09:18:33
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The abbey being in a remote area isn't a strange occurrence. The isolation was always desired, and abbeys eventually became roads, because they were known to offer food and shelter in exchange for either work, payment or news. (They were never free, like in the books, they always used their abbeys hospitality to fund their upkeep)

The cistern is what interests me.

This shows that the area at large, has undergone very little river diversion. An important feature to consider.
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-03-02 20:41:33
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Wine oor not great stuff as usual.
  • Why do these Monks occupy such a remote area?
    Up to no good is an option. What that no good is though?
  • Was it Benedictine Monks who built the structure we see burnt in 1927? Or did they simply just begin inhabiting it?
    This far away timewose not sure how to find out though seems unlikely that monks of any description in the 20th century would have any idea of how to build a monastry let alone the time it would take, if monks are what they really were.
  • Is it my understanding that this burned out husk of a structure remained as it was in the photos until the late 50s, when it was finally torn down to make way for the current building?
    Now that sort of information may well lie within some newspaper archive.
  • If these found "rock foundations" are what they say they are - - do these fitted stones match the photographs of the original Abbey?
    They do appear to be lower courses of a wall but beyond that I cannot tell.
  • Is the Abbey built on top of a previously existing stone structure? Perhaps one that uses advanced engineering like the cistern I came across not too far away?
    I see no evidence of an underlying structure in the phtographs. The scale of the thing changes so much over time if there was any underlying structural foundation it would have been under the early one, to me as always.
  • What is the explanation for advanced engineering in this area of the country in what is believed to have been the "early 20th century"? Most of these places in 2020 have not grown substantially past what they were 100 or even 200 years ago.
    It's not a monastry at all. It's made to look like one and madeto fucntion like one but it has another purpose maybe?
  • Could these two discoveries be connected to a previous civilization that roamed this plateau?
    How would one know, where would one look for evidence, do you know of anything else in the area that is even remotely suggestive of that possibility you may have seen in your travels and discounted?
  • Does the Vatican know something about this area we don't?
    As the flow of money is in the public domain one could say they are hiding something in plain sight, perhaps this is the place where they really store things that are not meant to be seen by 'non believers'. Artifacts, documents procesess etc and the Vaticans catacoombs are empty or more likely waterlogged if hey exist at all. Or it is perfect for the Vaticans hostory fabricators to crack on without interruption or distraction.
 
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Username: DanfromMN
Date: 2020-03-10 16:58:14
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This reminds me of my trip to Italy in 2010. We went to Asisi (sp?) It was set up much like this: nothing forever, then boom. Stone mastery.
 
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Username: EUAFU
Date: 2020-03-10 17:17:20
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A beautiful place and being from the Order of São Bento you can trust. They are just scholars and workers.
 
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Username: JWW427
Date: 2020-07-15 13:09:07
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Monks and priests were the spies for the Vatican when expeditions scoured North and South America for finds and knowledge.
They would direct the soldiers to wipe out the non-believers.
Any monastery is suspect.
 
There is a vast amount of looted items in the Vatican vaults. My step father visited them in the mid 80s. He was invited to tour the first level by the pope. No joke. He was to be the first to install a satellite receiver in the Vatican and got a tour by some cardinal. After He wanted to know why they kept so many riches in the basement while fellow Christian’s were starving. But kept that to himself.
His “satellite” was blown up w the Challenger. Before anyone could realise satellites were a lie. He lost 20 million of his own money in that scam. We still have a picture of him with the pope standing on a parapet at the Vatican overlooking the city.
 
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