I’d like to approach this topic by considering its historical precedents. It may well be a ‘meme’ in today’s jargon, but historically a meme is just a concept. ‘Hoover’ became the meme or name for the concept of the vacuum cleaner. In Spain, ‘Rimmel’ is the meme for the concept of mascara. Similarly ‘Tartaria’ has become the name for a concept concerning the existence of a previous worldwide civilisation. However, like all concepts, it has evolved and is now inextricably entwined with a worldwide cataclysmic ‘mudflood’ that caused its downfall; a Reset that replaced the civilisation’s social and administrative systems; the loss of a particular style of advanced architecture labelled ‘Tartarian’; the loss of ancient free-energy technology labelled ‘Antiquitech’ and finally ‘Orphan Trains’ that everyone who survived the cataclysm is descended from.
The main point of the OP seems to be an objection to the word ‘Tartaria’ as a name for the concept outlined above. However, the title of the OP, ‘“Tartaria” is a myth and didn’t exist’ is very misleading. After just five paragraphs this is refuted in the OP itself:
While Tartary itself was real, it was not what many people now think it was. I do think there once was a unified civilization, with a unified architecture. But "Tartary" is a wrong name for it.
It’s interesting that the word ‘Tartaria’ is now being replaced by ‘Tartary’, but they refer to the exact same thing.
Further confusion is apparent in the paragraph;
If anything, Tartary should be understood as a symbol for forgotten knowledge - that's why we have the Tartary Griffin in our logo.
This implies that the Tartary / Tartarian Griffin is a perfectly acceptable symbol to represent the concept of “forgotten knowledge” and yet the actual word ‘Tartaria’ is not acceptable for the concept of an ancient lost worldwide civilisation. This apparent contradiction combined with the statement that Tartary / Tartaria was real, makes for a quite confusing post which many may see (and in fact are seeing) as being merely an issue of semantics or even nitpicking. The underlying concept of ‘Tartaria’ and all of its attendant theories are not being challenged, which makes the OP title more than hyperbole and seems like a sensational gutter-press type of attention-grabbing headline that bears little or no relation to the content.
With regard to the historical precedents, the first of these is the Israelites meme or concept. The monumental crimes perpetrated by the early Christian scribes when they went to great lengths to make all the ancient oral traditions fit in with the biblical narrative, are the people we have to thank for the Israelites concept. This happened everywhere throughout what is now the Christian world, but one particular instance that has survived and is well documented occurred in Ireland.
The 12th century "Leabhar Gabhála" manuscript, known as the "The Book of the Taking of Ireland', was written in Irish Gaelic and claimed to give the early history of Ireland. It supposedly documents all of the successive invasions that took place until the arrival of the ‘sons of a thousand from the kingdom of Breogán’, also known as ‘The Sons of Mil’ or actually - the Spanish.
“The writers sought to create an epic written history comparable to that of the Israelites in the Old Testament of the Bible. This history was also intended to fit the Irish into Christian world-chronology and connect them to Adam. In doing so, it links them to events from the Old Testament and likens them to the Israelites. Ancestors of the Irish were described as enslaved in a foreign land, fleeing into exile, and wandering in the wilderness, or sighting the "Promised Land" from afar. The account also drew from the pagan myths of Gaelic Ireland but reinterpreted them in the light of Christian theology and historiography.”
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The bit about sighting the Promised Land from afar was from the Spanish story, whereby some suitably biblical-like character claimed he could see Ireland all the way from La Coruña in Galicia.
Thomas F. O'Rahilly, a noted Irish scholar, claimed that the purpose of The Book of the Taking of Ireland was:
“firstly to unite the population by obliterating the memory of previous and different ethnic groups, secondly to weaken the influence of pre-Christian pagan religions by converting their gods into mere mortals, and thirdly to manufacture pedigrees into which the various dynastic groups could conveniently be fitted.”
So you could say that this Israelite concept or meme, was designed to obliterate and reset a previous civilisation and replace it with a new one… where have I heard that before?
This process happened all over Europe, Great Britain, Ireland and Scandinavia (even in America much more recently with the Mormon Church) and in my opinion, explains the total bloody mess we have now, with everyone claiming that the Holy Land is in their own back yard.
Another concept is the Lost Tribes of Israel meme, which has already appeared in this thread. Belief in the Lost Tribes of Israel concept is a matter of blind faith, because there is actually no evidence to support it. Rather than spending a lot of time presenting the research behind this I offer these links to satisfy the doubtful, of whom I’m sure there will be plenty:
Due to the effects of the previous Israelites meme, people were only too keen to be members of one of the ‘Lost Tribes’ so that they too could be one of God’s chosen people, guaranteed of 5 star accommodation in heaven. In much the same way, people today are very keen to be ‘Tartarians’ or decendants of the ‘Orphan Trains’…
The theory reflects a cultural discontent with modernism, and a supposition that traditional styles are inherently good and modern styles are bad.
The conversion of all ancient oral tradition into Christain chronology when combined with the Lost Tribes of Israel meme subsequently spawned many theories regarding the origin of different races, peoples and nations. These theories took the Israelites and Lost Tribes memes as ‘gospel’ – literally – and used it as the basis for their new histories. This has resulted in total historical chaos and the virtual obliteration of all pre-Christian civilisations which have been replaced by theories claiming that most of the known world is populated by people from the Lost Tribes of Israel.
The difference is they didn’t get there in Orphan Trains.
These previous two ancient memes were specifically designed to conceal “forgotten knowledge.” Maybe the latest ones are no different?
It isn’t possible to separate the Tartaria concept from the Mudflood / Reset / Antiquitecture / Star Forts / Orphan Trains etc. because they are all parts of the same concept, in my opinion. With the worldwide Mudflood cataclysm and Reset being brought ever nearer to our own era, it is burying what its proponents claim to be the evil and wicked ‘mainstream history’. All historical events and characters from before the mudflood / reset are considered fictional. So, rather than researching such information as is available and analysing it in the awareness that it is concealing the truth, now anyone can become fully qualified in alternative history simply by watching a few Youtube videos. Anyone can join a forum and either echo the opinions of some Youtube Guru or debunk theories by those who might have been researching for years by simply parroting the Youtube mantras and claiming ‘it’s all fiction’. This situation is now evident in stolenhistory.net.
This is a mirror of the Scamdemic event, or the
COVID-19 meme if you prefer. On the one hand there are people who are content and even happy to go along with the media misinformation and lies and echo all of the opinions about vaccine deniers, 'negationistas', etc., whilst others do their own research, think for themselves and draw their own conclusions.
The second and third editions of the presumably official forum videos have been aimed precisely at a specific ‘Tartarian’ concept audience and they are directly responsible for why...
we got many new users during the last months, some from Youtube
It’s a shame that these new members will never realise that they are being played like puppets dancing to the master’s tune. The Tartaria meme will and is already concealing as much, if not more, history than the ancient memes above ever did. What will it be replaced with - a medical tyranny maybe or
Tartarus - literally hell on earth?
It’s my opinion that these memes create fanatics who are blind to reason and have no interest in evidence or discussion, only preaching. This is why I will not be contributing to this thread again, so you can all have a field-day content in the knowledge that I won’t be refuting your counterclaims.
Adios.
