"Tartaria" is a myth and didn't exist

[Safranek]

This thread is about Tartaria, which is promoted as having been a worldwide civilisation, so if I am jumping the gun then perhaps you are dodging the bullets.

It is not being promoted as a world-wide civilization by all adherents. There's only a 'certain' group that seems to insist on that idea.

However, there is a proposed actual linguistic link being studied by some linguists which - if correct - shows a correlation between the languages of the NA Indians and Siberian tribes. This obviously would not have occurred within the 'Tartaria' time-frame.

I don't want to steer the thread off-topic so I will not go further into this as it has no relation to Tartaria beyond showing a common element in the origin of both those languages (NA Indian Lanape and the Turk, Mongol, Hun language base).

And BTW, I like the choice of idiom in response to mine.

I note that this source was written or 'read' right in the middle of World War One. So it's a paper about 'The Hun' which seems to be intent on debunking the Kaiser's claim to descent from those ancient warriors. Could there be a conflict of interests there? Have you read the ancient sources that this paper is based upon?

The sources quoted in that article have nothing to do with Germany other than a couple of brief mentions as it focuses entirely on the influence and interactions of the Huns in relation to the four empires, based on the sources given.

No, I have not had the time to actually look up and read the books being sourced, I will make the effort to do so to see if they can be found in English though.

So the claim that Tartaria was a worldwide civilisation is a myth then. Is that also part of your conclusion?

I personally do not adhere to the claim that Tartaria was a world-wide civilization. The reason for this is that so far, I have not found any credible sources that would mention Tartarians as anything other than foreigners and their language as a foreign language with respect to America.

I do strongly suspect that at least a part of the American natives do have links to the area we call Tartaria, Scythia, Siberia, Pontic Steppes, etc. but my hunch is that this link goes farther back than the time-period attributed to the area as Tartaria, maybe even farther back than when it was called Scythia.

That is my conclusion based on evidence I have studied so far, but my current assessment will certainly change if additional valid information is presented to the contrary.

 

[Gabriel]

Perhaps the mainstream is using a strategy of "the less said about something, the fewer people will know about it.

That’s exactly it, just a tried and true programming technique at work. Calling it “Qanon architecture” avoids directing people towards interesting subjects by conflating these completely different ideas. Perhaps instead the casual headine reader makes a judgement and avoids the issue on reflex. If they said “flat earth antivaxxer building” it would be the same, just very ridiculous sounding.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

That’s exactly it, just a tried and true programming technique at work. Calling it “Qanon architecture” avoids directing people towards interesting subjects by conflating these completely different ideas. Perhaps instead the casual headine reader makes a judgement and avoids the issue on reflex. If they said “flat earth antivaxxer building” it would be the same, just very ridiculous sounding.

So that's why the mainstream spells it all out in Wikipedia then?

The Tartarian Conspiracy Theory - Wikipedia

It is not being promoted as a world-wide civilization by all adherents. There's only a 'certain' group that seems to insist on that idea.

I think I disagree with that. There's a Tartarian Meme that began as a reaction to Sylvie Ivanova's 'Survivors of Atlantis' series on YouTube, some 7 or 8 years ago. Like all memes it contains some elements of 'truth', or shall we say 'likely facts', but above all it contains answers to questions you never knew existed and reveals lies you didn't know you hadn't been told. The meme came as a package combining the worldwide civilisation, the Tartarian architecture pandemic and a Lost Empire that was crushed or mudflooded and erased from history. It even came with the evil nasty bad guys for everyone to blame it all on.

In Sylvie's version it was the survivors of Atlantis who took refuge from the "Parasites" in the areas known as Greater and Lesser Tartaria - modern day Russia. The 'Mudflood' was postulated as being the cause of Atlantis' demise being a weapon of the Parasites, which could also create Rockfloods. The survivors were responsible for the exceptional architecture found there and anywhere else they refugeed.. refuged... took refuge. The Parasites persecuted the Survivors who fled eastwards, ending up in Japan I think it was.

The meme ignored all of these details from Sylvie. The Survivors of Atlantis disappeared from the equation. They were replaced by the noble Tartarians who were an unspecified group, or race of people, but it wasn't long before the Lost Tribes of Israel put in a bid for consideration. Tartaria was anywhere and everywhere there was exceptional architecture or mud or basements. The Lost Empire was a global one that enjoyed a 'Golden Age', peace and free energy technology. It was brought down or 'Reset' by another unspecified group, who were even more elusive than Sylvie's Parasites. They then attempted to erase all evidence of the Lost Global Empire from history... but didn't do a very efficient job obviously.

Make no mistake, I'm not claiming that Sylvie was right. Right or wrong, she inspired many people to do their own research into these areas and brought Fomenko to many people's attention. The meme, on the other hand, presented a package for all those who were interested, but too lazy or too stupid to do their own research, or who saw the opportunity to become armchair YouTube Gurus. And that's exactly why the Tartarian "Theory" hasn't progressed one millimetre in all those years. The grains of 'truth' or likely facts, are all smothered by the meme and that's why serious researchers, of which there are some on this forum, get so frustrated when they 'pull on a loose thread' from the tangle of 'Tartaria' and it leads elsewhere - outside the Tartarian meme's frame of reference, where it will be all alone in the cold with no one to love it. If you're looking for a 'Psy-Op', maybe that's it.

No, I have not had the time to actually look up and read the books being sourced, I will make the effort to do so to see if they can be found in English though.

That's great, because otherwise you are simply repeating someone else's opinion about the original source material, which is a bit like the way the Tartarian Meme operates. I think we are all guilty of that sometimes.

There's also a terrible temptation to link posts to the Tartarian Meme in their title in order to make it appeal to a wider audience. Perhaps it's time to stop that as it's just feeding the monster and the audience it attracts will not be sympathetic to any deviations from the Meme and incapable of rational discussion.

 

[Blackdiamond]

So that's why the mainstream spells it all out in Wikipedia then?

The Tartarian Conspiracy Theory - Wikipedia



I think I disagree with that. There's a Tartarian Meme that began as a reaction to Sylvie Ivanova's 'Survivors of Atlantis' series on YouTube, some 7 or 8 years ago. Like all memes it contains some elements of 'truth', or shall we say 'likely facts', but above all it contains answers to questions you never knew existed and reveals lies you didn't know you hadn't been told. The meme came as a package combining the worldwide civilisation, the Tartarian architecture pandemic and a Lost Empire that was crushed or mudflooded and erased from history. It even came with the evil nasty bad guys for everyone to blame it all on.

In Sylvie's version it was the survivors of Atlantis who took refuge from the "Parasites" in the areas known as Greater and Lesser Tartaria - modern day Russia. The 'Mudflood' was postulated as being the cause of Atlantis' demise being a weapon of the Parasites, which could also create Rockfloods. The survivors were responsible for the exceptional architecture found there and anywhere else they refugeed.. refuged... took refuge. The Parasites persecuted the Survivors who fled eastwards, ending up in Japan I think it was.

The meme ignored all of these details from Sylvie. The Survivors of Atlantis disappeared from the equation. They were replaced by the noble Tartarians who were an unspecified group, or race of people, but it wasn't long before the Lost Tribes of Israel put in a bid for consideration. Tartaria was anywhere and everywhere there was exceptional architecture or mud or basements. The Lost Empire was a global one that enjoyed a 'Golden Age', peace and free energy technology. It was brought down or 'Reset' by another unspecified group, who were even more elusive than Sylvie's Parasites. They then attempted to erase all evidence of the Lost Global Empire from history... but didn't do a very efficient job obviously.

Make no mistake, I'm not claiming that Sylvie was right. Right or wrong, she inspired many people to do their own research into these areas and brought Fomenko to many people's attention. The meme, on the other hand, presented a package for all those who were interested, but too lazy or too stupid to do their own research, or who saw the opportunity to become armchair YouTube Gurus. And that's exactly why the Tartarian "Theory" hasn't progressed one millimetre in all those years. The grains of 'truth' or likely facts, are all smothered by the meme and that's why serious researchers, of which there are some on this forum, get so frustrated when they 'pull on a loose thread' from the tangle of 'Tartaria' and it leads elsewhere - outside the Tartarian meme's frame of reference, where it will be all alone in the cold with no one to love it. If you're looking for a 'Psy-Op', maybe that's it.



That's great, because otherwise you are simply repeating someone else's opinion about the original source material, which is a bit like the way the Tartarian Meme operates. I think we are all guilty of that sometimes.

There's also a terrible temptation to link posts to the Tartarian Meme in their title in order to make it appeal to a wider audience. Perhaps it's time to stop that as it's just feeding the monster and the audience it attracts will not be sympathetic to any deviations from the Meme and incapable of rational discussion.

Why is it false propaganda and why is it SO important to debunk it?

 

[Deleted member 1432]

Why is it false propaganda and why is it SO important to debunk it?

What makes "it" the truth and why is it SO important to constantly promote "it" for 7 - 8 years without providing evidence to prove, progress or resolve any of "it"?

 

[Blackdiamond]

What makes "it" the truth and why is it SO important to constantly promote "it" for 7 - 8 years without providing evidence to prove, progress or resolve any of "it"?

Fair point.

I do believe in old russia. Before the old believers a.k.a. the pioneers from the church twisted the story. Thats my main entertainment here. And it is the same in scandinavia, hokkaido and North americas and possibly other areas outside of my direct interest. Its also very interesting to see how churchies defending the narrative even here (after searching themselves before) tooth and nails.
- I dont believe in uni world Tartaria. But the truth is there was something before the te, no, church.

 

[QuakerTheOat]

The meme, on the other hand, presented a package for all those who were interested, but too lazy or too stupid to do their own research, or who saw the opportunity to become armchair YouTube Gurus. And that's exactly why the Tartarian "Theory" hasn't progressed one millimetre in all those years. The grains of 'truth' or likely facts, are all smothered by the meme and that's why serious researchers, of which there are some on this forum, get so frustrated when they 'pull on a loose thread' from the tangle of 'Tartaria' and it leads elsewhere - outside the Tartarian meme's frame of reference, where it will be all alone in the cold with no one to love it. If you're looking for a 'Psy-Op', maybe that's it.

This is the kind of analytical dissection that we need to do with every theory. It's a formula for moving forward at the cost of the destruction of the meme. The people that create these memes use every kind of psychological kung-fu in existence to prop them up and solidify them in minds - making them personal to the point that an attack on the meme invokes a physical response.

 

[Safranek]

Make no mistake, I'm not claiming that Sylvie was right. Right or wrong, she inspired many people to do their own research into these areas and brought Fomenko to many people's attention.

Sylive's version that you outlined sounds like a likely scenario according to my research also.

That's great, because otherwise you are simply repeating someone else's opinion about the original source material, which is a bit like the way the Tartarian Meme operates. I think we are all guilty of that sometimes.

I agree with that point, hence the need for continued research.

I don't accept the mass displacement or disappearance of the Asian/Scythian/Tartar population as a valid historical perspective, therefore I find the likelihood of the same people being classified under different names to be a more realistic scenario, as gathered together by Modi, although that info needs to be verified, and also the political affiliations of the primary sources is to also be considered.

It would be nice to have a thread on 'Tartaria/Tartary' where we actually separate the wheat from the chaff, to clarify some and dispell other so-called 'facts' of the meme you speak of.

 

[Gabriel]

So that's why the mainstream spells it all out in Wikipedia then?

I think that most people read the headlines only - you can admit to anything in there, or use it for propoganda, I think the headlines reach most people.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

I don't accept the mass displacement or disappearance of the Asian/Scythian/Tartar population as a valid historical perspective, therefore I find the likelihood of the same people being classified under different names to be a more realistic scenario,

I find the whole area of racial origins completely baffling these days. I'm still not even sure about the Romans, or is it Normans, and if either was actually a race. Likewise the Celts. The thing is it's all so complicated now. There are so many names of so many races, most of which I have never heard before - the Slartybartfastians, the Wearthefucarwi, the Futanari etc. It's like it now goes way beyond races - even beyond tribes and we're now down to the family name level of detail. Mr & Mrs Genghis Khan and family with The Mongols who do all their cleaning, cooking, raping and pillaging. The Hun family, where Mr Hun died and so Mrs Hun married an orphan called Gary, thus creating the Hungarians. Mr & Mrs Scyth and the Scythian family who are all descended from the Grim Reaper, etc., etc. who are all actually of the same genetic haploid as Mr & Mrs Smith from Milton Keynes. I always thought it should be much simpler the further back you go because there were less people, but it seems it's the opposite.

It's as if the multicultural agenda of George Soros' Open Society utopia has been backdated in order to splinter and divide all ancient races into smaller groups with multiple new connections. I wonder how many billions of dollars Soros has funnelled through his Open Society Foundations into all of these new (millennial) genetic studies? We are not supposed to have national or racial identities any more and so our roots are literally being torn up and shredded so that we can't trace our racial history and we all end up being of the same Hoothefucarwi tribe.

This could also explain why Tartaria/Tartary is never clearly defined in racial terms, because it has to be seen and promoted as a multiracial, multicultural Open Society, which by default will make it the showcase for Soros' new 'Tartarian Golden Age'.

As for the language aspect, well...

"Tivadar (Soros Senior) was an attorney by profession, but the consuming passion of his life was the promotion of Esperanto—an artificial, “universal” language created during the 1880s in hopes that people worldwide might be persuaded to drop their native tongues and speak Esperanto instead—thereby, in theory at least, minimizing their nationalist impulses while advancing intercultural harmony. In 1936, Tivadar changed his family surname to Soros—a future-tense Esperanto verb meaning “will soar.” Source (The original family name was Schwartz, which means black...)

Probably off-topic, but the whole Open Society thing allegedly comes from 'The Open Society and its Enemies' by Karl Popper, published in 1945 which, despite its fancy rhetoric, sophisticated arguments and a preface by George Soros in the 7th edition, is simply more of the age old "Do what thou wilt shall be the only law" that's been doing its best to screw everything up for the past 600 years or so.

 

[iseidon]

I find the whole area of racial origins completely baffling these days. I'm still not even sure about the Romans, or is it Normans, and if either was actually a race. Likewise the Celts. The thing is it's all so complicated now. There are so many names of so many races, most of which I have never heard before - the Slartybartfastians, the Wearthefucarwi, the Futanari etc. It's like it now goes way beyond races - even beyond tribes and we're now down to the family name level of detail. Mr & Mrs Genghis Khan and family with The Mongols who do all their cleaning, cooking, raping and pillaging. The Hun family, where Mr Hun died and so Mrs Hun married an orphan called Gary, thus creating the Hungarians. Mr & Mrs Scyth and the Scythian family who are all descended from the Grim Reaper, etc., etc. who are all actually of the same genetic haploid as Mr & Mrs Smith from Milton Keynes. I always thought it should be much simpler the further back you go because there were less people, but it seems it's the opposite.

It's as if the multicultural agenda of George Soros' Open Society utopia has been backdated in order to splinter and divide all ancient races into smaller groups with multiple new connections. I wonder how many billions of dollars Soros has funnelled through his Open Society Foundations into all of these new (millennial) genetic studies? We are not supposed to have national or racial identities any more and so our roots are literally being torn up and shredded so that we can't trace our racial history and we all end up being of the same Hoothefucarwi tribe.

This could also explain why Tartaria/Tartary is never clearly defined in racial terms, because it has to be seen and promoted as a multiracial, multicultural Open Society, which by default will make it the showcase for Soros' new 'Tartarian Golden Age'.

As for the language aspect, well...

"Tivadar (Soros Senior) was an attorney by profession, but the consuming passion of his life was the promotion of Esperanto—an artificial, “universal” language created during the 1880s in hopes that people worldwide might be persuaded to drop their native tongues and speak Esperanto instead—thereby, in theory at least, minimizing their nationalist impulses while advancing intercultural harmony. In 1936, Tivadar changed his family surname to Soros—a future-tense Esperanto verb meaning “will soar.” Source (The original family name was Schwartz, which means black...)

Probably off-topic, but the whole Open Society thing allegedly comes from 'The Open Society and its Enemies' by Karl Popper, published in 1945 which, despite its fancy rhetoric, sophisticated arguments and a preface by George Soros in the 7th edition, is simply more of the age old "Do what thou wilt shall be the only law" that's been doing its best to screw everything up for the past 600 years or so.

I agree with you that the topic of Tartary is being artificially promoted and used by someone at the top. Given what we see now in the world (in terms of multiculturalism), it is not difficult to guess which forces benefit from rewriting history for themselves.

About a common language. Not everyone promotes the idea of a single language that excludes the current languages. It seems to me, for example, that all modern languages were PART of a single language. Each language is a particular coloring, meaning, professional and spiritual purpose, etc. When the single language (and later other languages created) were fragmented, people all over the world were made poorer. They reduced the sound, color and meaning of words (and therefore the world) to a single "native language".

If you think the idea of a single language is sponsored by someone, does it occur to you that someone is (and has in the past) sponsoring the idea of different languages? Isn't there a force that benefits from dividing people? We are sitting on a site whose name is "stolenhistory". Don't you think the same could be done with the language "stolenlingva"?

Spoiler: An example with reference to the world situation.

I do not agree with the idea of abrupt multiculturalism (this will lead in the future and leads now to complications, which will and is the consequence of an abrupt transition). Of course, the process must be manageable, but it should start with the close peoples and nationalities. For example, Czechia + Slovakia + Poland = North Slavia. It must be done gradually, so that people do not raise (or rather, that they are not helped by a third party) nationalistic sentiments.

If you like, you can compare it to a frog in a pot on low heat. Although the comparison is not quite right. But the point is the same. For change to take place, it must be gradual. Any abrupt changes (most often) cause a natural defensive reaction, because the person is not ready for these abrupt changes. But if a person is not changed and his horizons are not widened, degradation will inevitably come (as we see today in the example of most people on the planet) and subsequent extinction (it is best seen in the example of elites, which have to be in contact with us; in time, they have to replenish their ranks with commoners, so their blood does not freeze; to this is added the moral-will factor, which in elites weakens with time).

The point of unification is not to destroy the three cultures. The point is to create a new culture on the basis of these three cultures, which will include all three cultures. "The Soviet Union" tried to put something like this into practice (support for a united Czechoslovakia, a united Yugoslavia, a united Vietnam, not separate republics), but these were weak attempts that lacked a strategic vision. Now, the "U.S." (those forces that use the U.S. Army and other institutions) are working according to the opposite methodology with no serious adversaries and restrictive lines. North and South Korea, China and Taiwan (ideally, adding East Turkestan and Tibet), India, Pakistan, Bangladesh (East Pakistan), Sri Lanka, Sudan and South Sudan, the division of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia.

The success of the "U.S." is that anywhere in the world, there will always be a group of people who want to control a small territory (hold territory, market, etc.). They ("the U.S." or, more precisely, those behind them) need only support or excite these groups. To manage a small, divided territory does not require a long-range planning horizon, only a current profit mindset (which is what modern education is geared to). When the resources of the old local administration are exhausted, a new (more loyal to outside colonizers) faction is hired.

On the contrary. In order to think long-term and in the format of a unification of countries and peoples, one needs first and foremost strategic planning and the ability to put this planning into practice. There are far fewer of these people than there are people who live for immediate interests. And most often they are gathered in the center of the metropolis. This is why Germany is united and neighboring Czechoslovakia is divided. Some got into the center of the metropolis, and some (the unified Soviet Union in the "1990s" or today's shrunken little Russia, for example) have no place there.

Unity for the sake of unity does not work. Especially a "unity" that is openly imposed and supported (nominally) from above. This means that we need grassroots prerequisites for real unity. These prerequisites could be unity of antique architecture and unity of the past language (PIE, Latin, Ancient Greek, Old Slavic, Old Scandinavian, Old Germanic, etc., give us the right to think that this logic has a theoretical basis).

Most importantly, I am biased. I am a representative of a culture and language that, by definition, consists of representatives of other (often vanished and reborn in another form) cultures. I am not going to go against myself (and I don't advise anyone to). If I am a consequence of a synthesis of closely related cultures and peoples, it would be logical to assume that I would advance that agenda. Just as it would be logical for a resident of a small conditional Caucasian (or any other) people to promote the idea of preserving their people. One of the tasks of humanity is to make sure that in spite of this contradiction, people live in peace. To create such conditions that they seek common ground and/or accept people as they are. Personally, I do both. But MY opinion is only my opinion.

 

[trismegistus]

I always thought it should be much simpler the further back you go because there were less people, but it seems it's the opposite.

When you say it seems to be the opposite - I assume you mean that there should be less division of races/culture the farther back you go. But perhaps the reason it is so complicated is because we are being lied to about how many people existed on the planet in the past. Its difficult enough for even the most dystopian societies that keep digital tabs on as many citizens as possible to correctly estimate their populations - much less trust the people who tell us how many people existed in the past.

For example - the area constituting what Tartaria was on maps now allegedly holds 2 billion+ people (Russia, China, India, etc). This constitutes an overwhelming amount of distinct cultures, tribes, races, religions, etc - never mind the artificial borders. Even if we were to say that 200 years ago the population was only 5% of this number we are looking at an area that still contains 100 million people. This task becomes even more insurmountable if we also come to an agreement that haplogroup/PCR/modern scientific analysis science is not very accurate in painting a picture of culture.

As per usual what we are left with is analyzing the physical structures and artifacts left behind. And if we do that - we see that the evidence leans heavily towards a unified culture having existed in these places in the past. Pyramids, mound structures, and "greco roman" architecture appear all over the planet somewhat consistently - but as to the origins of this culture many have debated. When it was more in fashion they were called Atlanteans, phoenicians, ancient aliens, and now Tartaria. Tartaria has had its time in the spotlight - and to me the results are inconclusive that they were connected to this technology, other than inhabiting areas in which this infrastructure still exists. Just like the ancient Egyptians likely had little to do with the construction of the pyramids - the Tartarians had little to do with the same.

 

[iseidon]

When you say it seems to be the opposite - I assume you mean that there should be less division of races/culture the farther back you go. But perhaps the reason it is so complicated is because we are being lied to about how many people existed on the planet in the past. Its difficult enough for even the most dystopian societies that keep digital tabs on as many citizens as possible to correctly estimate their populations - much less trust the people who tell us how many people existed in the past.

I am sure that most of the readers of this forum thread are already familiar with this information.

Here is one of the evidences that in the past the population of the planet (or at least the southern part of the African continent) exceeded the present population.

The Okavango delta in South Africa is surrounded by evidence of hundreds of miles of artificial irrigation. The parallel channels that you see are a mile or so apart. This suggests that there was once an extremely large population there utilizing advanced agricultural techniques. From Gary Schoenung.

Maps.

The posts on stolenhistory where Gary Schoenung's work is mentioned.

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[Wheelsinthesky]

So that's why the mainstream spells it all out in Wikipedia then?

The Tartarian Conspiracy Theory - Wikipedia



I think I disagree with that. There's a Tartarian Meme that began as a reaction to Sylvie Ivanova's 'Survivors of Atlantis' series on YouTube, some 7 or 8 years ago. Like all memes it contains some elements of 'truth', or shall we say 'likely facts', but above all it contains answers to questions you never knew existed and reveals lies you didn't know you hadn't been told. The meme came as a package combining the worldwide civilisation, the Tartarian architecture pandemic and a Lost Empire that was crushed or mudflooded and erased from history. It even came with the evil nasty bad guys for everyone to blame it all on.

In Sylvie's version it was the survivors of Atlantis who took refuge from the "Parasites" in the areas known as Greater and Lesser Tartaria - modern day Russia. The 'Mudflood' was postulated as being the cause of Atlantis' demise being a weapon of the Parasites, which could also create Rockfloods. The survivors were responsible for the exceptional architecture found there and anywhere else they refugeed.. refuged... took refuge. The Parasites persecuted the Survivors who fled eastwards, ending up in Japan I think it was.

The meme ignored all of these details from Sylvie. The Survivors of Atlantis disappeared from the equation. They were replaced by the noble Tartarians who were an unspecified group, or race of people, but it wasn't long before the Lost Tribes of Israel put in a bid for consideration. Tartaria was anywhere and everywhere there was exceptional architecture or mud or basements. The Lost Empire was a global one that enjoyed a 'Golden Age', peace and free energy technology. It was brought down or 'Reset' by another unspecified group, who were even more elusive than Sylvie's Parasites. They then attempted to erase all evidence of the Lost Global Empire from history... but didn't do a very efficient job obviously.

Make no mistake, I'm not claiming that Sylvie was right. Right or wrong, she inspired many people to do their own research into these areas and brought Fomenko to many people's attention. The meme, on the other hand, presented a package for all those who were interested, but too lazy or too stupid to do their own research, or who saw the opportunity to become armchair YouTube Gurus. And that's exactly why the Tartarian "Theory" hasn't progressed one millimetre in all those years. The grains of 'truth' or likely facts, are all smothered by the meme and that's why serious researchers, of which there are some on this forum, get so frustrated when they 'pull on a loose thread' from the tangle of 'Tartaria' and it leads elsewhere - outside the Tartarian meme's frame of reference, where it will be all alone in the cold with no one to love it. If you're looking for a 'Psy-Op', maybe that's it.



That's great, because otherwise you are simply repeating someone else's opinion about the original source material, which is a bit like the way the Tartarian Meme operates. I think we are all guilty of that sometimes.

There's also a terrible temptation to link posts to the Tartarian Meme in their title in order to make it appeal to a wider audience. Perhaps it's time to stop that as it's just feeding the monster and the audience it attracts will not be sympathetic to any deviations from the Meme and incapable of rational discussion.

I agree with this. It's very obvious at this point that the Tartaria angle is very much a either a psyop or a hijacked narrative by people making money on you tube who are not brave or honest enough to admit when there is evidence that runs counter to their arguments. It's a very alluring theory and it's hard to not get absorbed in it.

 

[Quiahuitl]

a hijacked narrative by people making money on you tube who are not brave or honest enough to admit when there is evidence that runs counter to their arguments.

This is also known as 'Standard practice.' Literally everybody does this. You wont find microsoft salesmen talking about all the faults in their products, for example. You don't see BMW salesmen saying the Audi corners better. Etc etc.

Maybe electronic theory is a better example. Modern computer chips have millions of trackways on them with electricity flowing along. If you divide the total power consumption of the chip by the electronic charge, it turns out there aren't enough electrons to fill every trackway on the chip. Modern science just ignores this and carries on blindly believing in the electron and also woo hoo! we have computer chips that work too - we just don't know why.

 

[Wheelsinthesky]

This is also known as 'Standard practice.' Literally everybody does this. You wont find microsoft salesmen talking about all the faults in their products, for example. You don't see BMW salesmen saying the Audi corners better. Etc etc.

Maybe electronic theory is a better example. Modern computer chips have millions of trackways on them with electricity flowing along. If you divide the total power consumption of the chip by the electronic charge, it turns out there aren't enough electrons to fill every trackway on the chip. Modern science just ignores this and carries on blindly believing in the electron and also woo hoo! we have computer chips that work too - we just don't know why.

Yeah I agree. With historical revision it should be taken seriously. But then again if some douche sells me something that has inherent faults i want to know before hand!!!

 

[Cosmicparrot]

I agree with this. It's very obvious at this point that the Tartaria angle is very much a either a psyop or a hijacked narrative by people making money on you tube who are not brave or honest enough to admit when there is evidence that runs counter to their arguments. It's a very alluring theory and it's hard to not get absorbed in it.

Tartaria is an interesting topic as we hardly know much, in truth of the "history" of the Tartars. So most speculate and get hits on YT etc ... There may well have been a great Empire but Stalin's Russia would have destroyed it. I say more a hijacked narrative. What we can piece together is the past was great. Technology was amazing. Architecture was just breath-taking. And the great lands mainly lived in harmony with Nature and each other. There time was prosperous. Our time upside down and evil run by Evil. I am reading a book on Tartaria and it does jump around. More on when I finish it.

 

[Bitbybit]

I stumbled upon this link discussing the validity of a Lechina Empire (polish empire)
Could it be a reflection of the fomenko mongol/tartar territory at some stage?

The Falsity of the Lechina Empire

 

[Deleted member 37]

I stumbled upon this link discussing the validity of a Lechina Empire (polish empire)
Could it be a reflection of the fomenko mongol/tartar territory at some stage?

Almost nobody cares about Fomenko and short-chrono on this forum. You just take a look at the presentation of the new-comers to see what they are interested in. Tartaria is mudflood for them and is expecially good when combined with Atlantis, the nazeees and Antarctica.
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[TuranSilvanus]

I stumbled upon this link discussing the validity of a Lechina Empire (polish empire)
Could it be a reflection of the fomenko mongol/tartar territory at some stage?

The Falsity of the Lechina Empire

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well as i see the Tartars were the PolakHussars too and others; but i dont put here video coz will be deleted anyhow