Temples and Churches as Radio Frequency Receivers

[Frostychud]

I'll get caught up with the rest of you before too long. Thanks again for the stimulating thread.

Hi Starfire, thanks for your thoughtful and insightful comment, to which I will hopefully be able to respond in detail soon. I am currently absorbed in my most recent thread, which I will go ahead and shamelessly plug because I think it's my best work here so far:

Lost New Orleans

That said, the next book on my reading list is Ball Lightning: Paradox of Physics by Paul Sagan, and I expect to find a lot of material with which to bring this thread up to date. I was particularly interested in your analysis of the Bosch painting, which made me think, "Of course! Why didn't I see that!" I also look forward to reading your next post since it looks like you've now made it to the end of the thread.

 

[Starfire]

I'm looking forward to reading your New Orleans thread, Frostychud. It's been very active. But first, some responses and hopefully new lines of enquiry for this thread.

Eugene McCarthy would say that this mutant goat is the result of intercourse between a man and a female goat. The anomalous zones may be dead, but there is still enough aether energy trickling into our domain for things like this to occasionally happen. Indeed, without aether energy, life would no longer exist at all.

You mention Eugene McCarthy and hybrids, talked about in Usselo's thread. I read through all McCarthy's material once I became aware of it. The anomalous zones could have contributed to a higher success rate with interspecies mating.

What do you think about McCarthy's thoughts on man being a mix of pig and primate, back-bred over the course of time? His arguments seem pretty solid to me. He even shows which regional breeds of primates would lead to what color the humans eventually ended up. I don't think that this was anything that was purposefully done, like Usello suggests. Rather, I think (maybe thought?...things change so quickly with human origins...) that the resulting human would have been the rootstock that Enki used when creating the Black-Headed People to mine for gold in south Africa. Or perhaps the clay/dirt that Ra mixed with his sperm, and Yahweh breathed life into. Like Australopithecus Afarensis, known as Lucy.

Sekito quotes Postnikov as suggesting that the area around Vesuvius, meaning Naples, was the original holy city, and that honor was only usurped by Rome later. Naples is historically the most populous city in Italy, which is itself kind of a mystery, and one can still today see how incredibly rich it once must have been.

I spent a semester in Rome back in college in 1984. When we visited the Naples/Pompeii area I saw something that stuck in my mind to this day. Two old Italian men were sitting outside their shops on the Sorrento waterfront. They were playing a game with a deck of Tarot cards. It looked like a variation of Gin Rummy.

I'm re-thinking about that now with your mention of that area being the original holy city, or at least an anomalous zone. I don't do Tarot myself, but I have known about it since I was 7 years old, have known several practitioners of it and looked closely at various decks (there are many different decks). It is understood that there are much deeper meanings to Tarot, and that a talented practitioner taps into the symbology on the cards on another level. It is related to all this somehow, meaning the thread. Perhaps as the energy was fading in the anomalous zones, the Tarot developed as a way to enhance the fading signals. On a physic level, with healing women who eventually came to be called gypsies/Romany. Or less likely, the decks assisted with the use of the phonetic alphabet during radiotelegraphy. I'm not sure how many letters in the alphabet that would have been transmitted via radiotelegraphy. The Tarot deck has 78 cards.

Anyway, if the Naples area was a major anomalous zone there could be a relation to the ongoing familiarity with Tarot there. They were so familiar they were playing a game with the deck!

This would explain why sacrifice was only allowed at the Jerusalem Temple: Yahweh was physically located there and there alone, and he tolerated no other gods being fed. All this must have taken place before whatever celestial upheaval ended the Ball Plasmoid era. The Jersualem Temple has been described as a site of 24/7 industrial animal sacrifice. Yahweh must have been completely drunk on death energy, and very powerful. Did he become evil over time as his power grew? Did the Phoenicians, who embodied parasitism from the beginning, make him evil? Did different ball plasmoids have different personalities? Did they have any volition at all, or were their “personalities” always simple projections of the priest classes who had figured out, in Egypt, how to operate the tech?

Wow! I mean, wow! This would explain the volatile and sometimes dark nature of Yahweh's actions in the Bible. It also adds another angle to the elusive Ark of the Covenant.

My prior understanding of the Ark was as a communication device with radioactive properties used as weaponry. I understood that the priest would put on his protective garments to go hear a voice speak to him from between the wingtips over the Mercy Seat. I thought this voice was coming from off planet or from Annunaki headquarters or from Yahweh. I saw the Ark as a receiver instead of the transmitter you have now convinced me it was. I do have the image in my mind of a floating, glowing sphere doing the communicating, so perhaps I read that somewhere or perhaps it's my intuition.

I need to go read those 20 articles by Yrpst!

I have a lot more to say about ball plasmoids, but I need to gather some quotes and details.

Usselo points out somewhere? Selenadia shows that most of these ancient stone idols were hollow and probably filled with something. Is this how idols functioned? Were idols made of clay mixed with the charged/brewed/ionized/scalarized/whatever “frothy blood” of ancestors, kings, pharaohs? Were stone idols filled with this blood? Did these idols “come to life” when the anomalous zone was activated, allowing people to communicate with their dead ancestors and hear the voices of kings? This would give us a clue as to why the Hebrews were so hell-bent on destroying all idols in addition to all altars: they were still, at that point, inhabited with the “souls” of dead kings and ancestors, perhaps even gods. I can imagine the statues “waking up” in the presence of the recurring scalar field the way fluorescent bulbs light up when passed close to a wireless power source. Maybe this is also why the ancient Hebrews were prohibited from consuming blood: because they risked being possessed or genetically modified if they did so.

The above idea makes a whole lot of sense. Earlier in the thread you brought up the Japanese Arks they transported their God idols in. And they also very much revere their ancestors. They could easily have bodily fluids and tissues mixed into or poured into the idols. And the battles between the Gods in their Arks must have originally taken place in anomalous zones where the Gods were animated. What a sight that would have been.

I saw a diagram the other day about old Japanese village layouts. The houses were all arranged in circles around local shrines, and these small shrine/houses units were in a rough circle around a larger shrine or temple in the center of the town. Shrines would be erected every so often on roads between towns and cities. It seems that Japan intentionally protected as much of their country as possible. I don't know if these shrines were on anomalous zones, probably not though. They may have been originally created or charged up at a zone and then placed across the country. In the historical narrative it is said that Japan was able to repel the massive forces of Ghengis Khan and his vassal states TWICE with prayer. Massive storms were brought down upon the ships of Ghengis Khan by the entie country praying to the spirits of their ancestors. The second defeat was so great it supposedly weakened Khan's grip on the whole far east.

[Regarding a Praveen Mohan video] ...the ancient practice of filling a sealed vial with blood squeezed out of the umbilical cord of the mother when a baby was born. The blood was mixed with some kind of “special powder” (...whose formula has been lost, at least to regular people) and the vial was sealed and tied around the baby’s waist with a cord, where he would leave it for the rest of his life, never taking it off under any circumstances. Later in life, when the person got hurt or sick, the vial was opened and the contents, now dry, were ingested. Some Hindus still do this, but I suspect nothing happens these days. As it turns out, umbilical blood is full of stem cells specific to the individual, and it would appear that the ancient Indians somehow knew this, and knew how to preserve the healing power of stem cells for future use.

What a brilliant way to protect oneself against future health issues! I hope some little old Tamil woman still knows the right recipe for the powder and is able to pass it on. It may need to be preserved on a place of power of some sort, maybe a local shrine or temple. Or it might not work at all without the fertility of an anomalous zone.

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You said:

"This is why I prefer to look for more intuitive correspondences."

"Like Plato I believe that true ideas resonate directly with the intellect and false ones shut it down."

You are describing what I was thanking you for in the previous post. That moment when you learn Truth and it fits perfectly into the bigger Truth we are all coming to. There's probably a name for it, perhaps Enlightenment?

More later.

 

[Starfire]

I was having trouble the other day downloading images, so here they are now.

Papal mitre with gold cording/wires, Breastplate of Aaron-type gem inlay and dangling antennae.

The matching hat, shoes and gloves that only the dandiest of cardinals wear.

The hats of the cardinals dangling their antennae over the graves of the cardinals for as many years as it takes to disintegrate into dust. Notice the sunburst to the right, isn't it about the same size as the plasmoids?

And another type of hat priests wear. Called the saturno. Yes, like the planet, with rings. These are fancier versions with gold embroidery and tassel antennae. But nowadays they are mostly black.

[Regarding The Shining] If indeed this area rests on an anomalous zone I could see a scenario where the effects are exponential in relative isolation, compared to a busy summer season.

And Frostychud said this regarding 'The Shining' hotel:

"The building is located on an Indian burial ground, in other words, on top of a former anomalous zone. There is a huge hedge labyrinth outside the hotel, and Yyprst tells us that mazes have their origin in the patterns left on the ground by swirls of energy in the anomalous zone."


We haven't talked about the dates for when stronger anomalous zones appear. The dates that would be the festival days every year, when the ball plasmoids would form.

Saturnalia took place on the week surrounding the winter solstice. I went to look up the dates and found way more relevant info with just a cursory search.

From Encyclopedia Britannica:

"Originally celebrated on December 17, Saturnalia was extended first to three and eventually to seven days... it was the liveliest festival of the year. All work and business were suspended. Slaves were given temporary freedom to say and do what they liked, and certain moral restrictions were eased. The streets were infected with a Mardi Gras madness; a mock king was chosen (Saturnalicius princeps); the seasonal greeting io Saturnalia was heard everywhere. The closing days of the Saturnalia were known as Sigillaria, because of the custom of making, toward the end of the festival, presents of candles, wax models of fruit, and waxen statuettes which were fashioned by the sigillarii or manufacturers of small figures in wax and other media. The cult statue of Saturn himself, traditionally bound at the feet with woolen bands, was untied, presumably to come out and join the fun."

"The influence of the Saturnalia upon the celebrations of Christmas and the New Year has been direct. The fact that Christmas was celebrated on the birthday of the unconquered sun (dies solis invicti nati) gave the season a solar background, connected with the kalends of January (January 1, the Roman New Year) when houses were decorated with greenery and lights, and presents were given to children and the poor. Concerning the gift candles, the Romans had a story that an old prophecy bade the earliest inhabitants of Latium send heads to Hades and phota to Saturn. The ancient Latins interpreted this to mean human sacrifices, but, according to legend, Hercules advised using lights (phos means “light” or “man” according to accent) and not human heads."

And from wiki:

"These statuettes were frequently made in the likeness of some divinity, such as Hercules, Minerva, Apollo Sauroctunus, Victory, or of some celebrated mythological character (Danäe or Hyacinthus); failing this, of some purely fantastic type, such as a hermaphrodite, or hunchback. These sigilla were sometimes made of clay, in which case their worth was but trifling, unless the workmanship possessed unusual merit; those made of marble, Corinthian bronze, silver, or gold, were, however, frequently of considerable value."

"In the dialogue of Macrobius's Saturnalia, the interlocutor Praetextatus says that sigillaria were substitutes for the sacrificial victims of the primitive religious rituals."

"The holiday was celebrated with a sacrifice at the Temple of Saturn, in the Roman Forum, and a public banquet, followed by private gift-giving, continual partying, and a carnival atmosphere that overturned Roman social norms: gambling was permitted, and masters provided table service for their slaves as it was seen as a time of liberty for both slaves and freedmen alike."

"Romans of citizen status normally went about bare-headed, but for the Saturnalia donned the pilleus, the conical felt cap that was the usual mark of a freedman. Slaves, who ordinarily were not entitled to wear the pilleus, wore it as well, so that everyone was "pilleated" without distinction."

"In Roman mythology, Saturn was an agricultural deity who was said to have reigned over the world in the Golden Age, when humans enjoyed the spontaneous bounty of the earth without labour in a state of innocence. The revelries of Saturnalia were supposed to reflect the conditions of the lost mythical age. The Greek equivalent was the Kronia,[3] which was celebrated on the twelfth day of the month of Hekatombaion,[4][3] which occurred from around mid-July to mid-August on the Attic calendar.[3][4] The Greek writer Athenaeus also cites numerous other examples of similar festivals celebrated throughout the Greco-Roman world,[5] including the Cretan festival of Hermaia in honor of Hermes, an unnamed festival from Troezen in honor of Poseidon, the Thessalian festival of Peloria in honor of Zeus Pelorios, and an unnamed festival from Babylon."

So much there for people with the eyes to see and ears to hear!
• Originally the festival had a human sacrifice. Fits with the need to feed the plasmoid, in this case Saturn.
• The sigillarii were pocket symbols that matched the larger statues of the gods, these statues are said to have taken the place of the earlier human sacrifice. I think these are the cargo cult version of the small ankh and small labrys. They are the images of the various Gods that people listened to, made of many materials.
• The local God, Saturn, was kept bound until being freed for the festival. This compares to the idea of captured Gods, who were once free on anomalous days.
• Moral restrictions were eased and all people were equal and drunk. Fits with our understanding of behavior in the zones, naked altered people having orgies.
• Celebrated around "the birthday of the unconquered sun (dies solis invicti nati)." They say this is named due to days getting shorter, but we know it's named after the plasmoid that looks like a little sun that is powerful and keeps returning.
• Everyone got to wear the special pointy hats which usually only the freedmen of Rome wore, the pillius. First time I've heard of these hats, but I'm not suprised they would have amplification devices that some people wore on a regular basis.
• "Concerning the gift candles, the Romans had a story that an old prophecy bade the earliest inhabitants of Latium send heads to Hades and phota to Saturn." This could refer to sending light or energy to Saturn the ball plasmoid to keep him present.
• I included the lists of these type of ancient festivals so whoever wants to can check those dates.

So, Trismegistus was most likely accurate that the anomalous zone of the hotel was stronger in the winter, but probably not due to lack of visitors.

Here are some sigillarii:

These fossilized plants are called sigillarii. Notice how they split at the top similar to cows' horns, labrys, etc. Which indicates that may have been the original shape of the sigillarii figurines.

Here is a pilleus or four (not sure on the plural on that one).

I'm really not obsessed with hats.

Another piece of media to note that heavily bases its themes off this anomalous zone activity would be the classic TV program Twin Peaks.

Twin Peaks heavily features the idea of a White Lodge and Black Lodge, an anomalous zone of the mind only accessible through mirrors in a strange town hidden away in the forests of Oregon. The Lodges were known to the local Nez Perce indians as the home of the spirits who resided there. Of course the primary way the zones are accessed is through a hotel built right on top of the zone. It is revealed in later episodes that this phenomenon was noticed by the military who built a secret base nearby to study the anomalous lodges. This idea of a liminal space of the mind that exists between worlds seems to have its origins in Theosophy, but certainly rings true with much of the information that @Frostychud has shared here.

I am so pleased that several people have mentioned the deper meanings of Twin Peaks. My husband and I are big fans, having lived in Seattle at the time of filming, and loving esoteric things. He was able to be on set for a couple days during Fire Walk With Me filming and even ate cherry pie with Lynch in the diner.

I have a personal connection to the lodge (The Great Northern to you) and Snoqualmie Falls (in the title sequence). As a child, sometimes for special occasions my family would have brunch at the lodge overlooking the falls. As a young adult my friends and I would get altered and climb down to the bottom of the falls. I remember how powerful the air felt so near to the crashing water. What type of energy would that be, Quiahuitl?


The falls are sacred to local tribes. In fact the Snoqualmie tribe just bought them back in 2019. Had to pay $125 million for their own homeland! Snoqualmie Tribal Elder Lois Sweet Dorman says “That pounding of the water is a sacred cycle, and that pounding and the mists rising [are] a connection of worlds...people visit here... because there's a spirit here, the spirit of Snoqualmie Falls.” Dorman says that, now, the only time you can fully experience the falls at full blast is when there’s flooding. The mist that comes up during these times is essential to the experience of them...as it’s the mist that carries up their prayers to their ancestors. Without the falls running at their fullest...it’s harder to access that.

Here's the article.

After reclaiming its sacred falls, the Snoqualmie tribe looks toward the future

I agree that Lynch has deep esoteric knowledge and that he reveals things in his work. He uses electricity as an indicator that a member of the Black Lodge is near. I don't want to geek out on Twin Peaks too much, but there is a certain thing that is very relevant to our greater conversation that not a lot of people know about.

In The Return Lynch has filmed it in such a way as to show two levels at the same time. We saw duplicate footage in Episodes 1 and 2 while it was happening and knew he had a reason for it. Then we were lucky enough to find this video that ran the duplicate footage next to each other. In Episode 1 it is the young couple in the room with the glass cage. In Episode 2 it is Cooper in the purple world meeting the mysterious Asian lady. (Trying not to be too specific in case of spoilers for other readers.) You can see these two different worlds affect each other. I realize now that the purple world/White Lodge uses feminine scalar energy to contrast the masculine electrical energy of the denizens of the Black Lodge.


View: https://youtu.be/1-BDU-TvlTg


After seeing this video we looked differently at The Return when we rewatched it. There are several times the the same image is repeated, usually for less than 5 seconds. Two that stick in my mind are a particular shot of the outside of the sheriff's office that is used in two different episodes, and a shot of a showgirl in the surveillance room of the casino that is used twice. I took notes, but never did end up editing it together. We plan on rewatching it all soon since Lynch is supposedly filming now. This time I will create the multi-level edit and see what else he reveals in The Return.

 

[Starfire]

I had another experience in Crete worth mentioning here. I ate a THC gummy and went to the beach with my girlfriend. This particular beach had a semicircular shape with a couple of small rock coves. As the wind swept along the rocks, it formed spontaneous vortices in the coves which left more or less circular deposits of dead leaves on the ground. Indeed, the shape of the vortex currents could even be seen by observing the leaves spinning in the air. My girlfriend and I sat in a calm rock alcove that for whatever reason was spared from the wind phenomenon. As I sat there enjoying the effects of the THC (nod to Observer) and thinking about all the Minoan art I had recently seen as well as the different natural phenomena that were visible around me, the wind suddenly hit at the perfect speed and angle to create a vortex inside our little cove. Sand got in our faces and our books were blown over. A few seconds later, the wind changed direction again and it was over. This gave me a couple of ideas. First, it made it easier to understand how magnetrons function. Alcoves of differing size and shape capture and amplify wind depending on its speed and direction. The aether wind must function the same way. Indeed, the “regular” wind is probably just an effect of this aether wind. AthroposRex mentions being able to feel the aether wind after taking ORMES minerals. He also suggests that this wind had “spiritual” qualities that subtly influenced his mind. If this aether wind were actually visible to the naked eye at some point, it wouldn’t have been too hard for the people observing it to figure out how it worked.

This isn't directly related to the thread, but it is to stolen history. And it might help you understand those little caves and coves you and your lady were enjoying.

When I was a child my family and I were taking the long way home back to the United States after my father had been working in Saudi Arabia. They had shipped all our household goods, so we were travelling light, and they were hippies, so we ended up going to a lot of interesting places. My favorite was living in a cave on Crete for a few weeks. There were lots of hippies staying in those caves. I remember it well. I was four, but had a very eventful childhood with vivid memories. And a lifelong love affair with Greece. A few years after that the caves were closed to habitation because someone found bones of early man.

So now cut to a couple years ago. I saw some older videos by WiseUp, with his Re-Bar Structures and mud fossils and "Only idiots believe in rock-cut architecture." I am a truthseeker all my life and have researched all sorts of things. But believed in Classical History due to my childhood and adult travels. Somehow I still thought a lot of really ancient structures were carved from stone, with special tools, but still carved. WiseUp very clearly showed me that I was wrong. I see that things I thought were carved from stone were frequently TURNED to stone from the pressure of being underwater during a flood. Like this lovely church that was said to have been rock cut down from ground level. But finally makes sense when you see that it was built on the ground it sits on now and the dirt walls came later.

WiseUp shows all kinds of ancient towns with apartment buildings that now look like caves...

Of course I thought of my brief childhood home...So I looked up my cave on Crete, on Matala Beach. It definitely looks like apartment buildings that eased down into the water as the foundations got washed away.

These were back in the 1960's-70's:

Our cave was near the top of the opposite cliff, that you see below. I guess the beach side had no vacancies.

So were your little alcoves with the swirls old doorways and rooms?

 

[Starfire]

The ball plasmoid concepts that have been presented here have gotten my mind making all kinds of connections. Some are very current, some more distant. Forgive me if it's all over the place.

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I don't know if this happened in the UK or Europe, or just the USA. In the recent past everyone stopped using the term UFO. Now the term is UAP.

It may seem like an unimportant change, but I think it is very relevant to the matter we are discussing - the ball plasmoids.

UFOs are Unidentified Flying Objects. The main thing people think of is flying saucers, rocket ships and lights in the sky like the Phoenix Lights. They think of these craft coming down and abducting people or sucking animals up into the ship with tractor beams.

But it's not exactly like that anymore, is it? Now people see small glowing orbs creating crop circles in England, glowing orbs with Sasquatch sightings, people in the clouds with and without jet packs, cities and buildings in the sky, planes and birds frozen in mid flight, cylinders that can only be seen with high speed cameras and numerous flying blobs(?) that can only be seen with the correct night vision goggles at the correct altitude.

So now the term is UAP - Unidentifed Aerial Phenomenon. It's a nice ambiguous term that doesn't specify whether it's a craft or a being. The TicTac videos released a couple years ago are considered UAPs. And plasmoid balls would also be called UAPs. In a way, the change of names is a form of disclosure, admitting that there are things in our skies that are not ships.

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Here's another form of disclosure:

I've been watching 'The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch' since it came on History channel a few years ago. In the UK it is called 'The Curse of Skinwalker Ranch'.

Watch The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch Season 1 Online | HISTORY Channel

Skinwalker Ranch is in northern Utah in the Uintah Basin on traditional tribal land. For at least 50 years in this area there have been many anomalous activities including a wolf-like cryptid known as a skinwalker, glowing orbs, mutilated animals and portals in the sky. The land has a native curse on it between the Utes and the Navajo that is said to be responsible for the appearance of the skinwalker.

It was owned by billionaire Robert Bigelow from 1996-2016. He had an independent team of researchers first and later started working with the Department of Defense. They didn't release the results of their investigations to the public. Now it's owned by a different billionaire, Brandon Fugal, who has a private team working with him, (although this season revealed a team member had been working with the government in the capacity of a UAP advisor). The current team is definitely releasing their findings to the public on the TV show.

☆☆SPOILER ALERT☆☆

The main areas of interest at Skinwalker Ranch are the mesa and the triangle. Over the years they have used all types of equipment to measure these areas, usually while shooting a rocket or ten into the air above it. Pretty much every time they activate the zones a ball plasmoid appears right after! Of course they call them UAPs, but I think it's the same thing.

They've tested and diagnosed in almost every way they could including a flamethrower, talked to locals and specialists, filmed high speed and infrared, had a rabbi invoke tones, had a native drumming group play traditional songs and more I can't even think of. Out of it they have determined there is a large metal dome shaped object buried in the mesa and an area in the air over the triangle most likely contains a wormhole/portal.

The mesa area has evidence and history that it was used by natives for ceremonial purposes. There is the petroglyph swirl near the top of the path up to the mesa, basically marking the entrance to the mesa proper where there is a stone spiral. When they had a traditional native drumming group playing, the stone spiral glowed warmer than surrounding areas when seen in a heat sensitive camera. Most recently they filmed the ball plasmoids flying into the top of the mesa at the stone spiral and flying out the side of the mesa moments later. As in flew right through the damn hill and caught on tape.


View: https://youtu.be/iXrfGivHnFg


One more thing. At one point the helicopter pilot was wearing night vision goggles and flew up above 10,000 feet. He said the air up there was packed with small orbs that would move aside as he approached!

☆☆DONE SPOILING☆☆

Skinwalker Ranch must be on an anomalous zone. The natives knew there was something special there, they created a stone spiral and marked the path. They have local legends and folklore regarding the area. Obviously ball plasmoids appear in the area currently, so they most likely did in the past.

We have speculated that there were certain feast days in which the anomalous zones were strongest and the ball plasmoids would appear. But the Skinwalker Ranch team has shown that they can cause the ball plasmoids to appear when triggered by energy getting focused in the area and then shooting off rockets.

The priests may have been able to make the ball plasmoids appear also. This may have required:
• Strong mental intent such as a group of priests performing a ceremony
• Sound based triggers such as a group of people chanting or playing instruments
• Some type of physical action or movement, perhaps with a special device
• The life energy released by a sacrifice, either animal or human

Maybe when the energies were stronger (in the past) is when the priests could call them anytime. Then when the energy faded they instilled the idea of festivals and sacred days. It would have taken more exertion on the part of the priests, so they would want to summon the ball plasmoids less often. The people probably would have moved farther from the zones as the energy got weaker. Preset festivals would give the people time to travel to gatherings. Our previous speculation about the power being stronger on certain days or seasons may not be correct.

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This next ball plasmoid connection is an interesting one. It involves Anastasia and the Ringing Cedars of Russia. I searched the forum for threads, but only found a couple mentions of her in other threads. Just in case you are not aware of her, here is a simplified summary. She has nothing to do with the Romanovs. It is not clear whether this story is true or not. But I want it to be true. The two items (nine minutes and ball plasmoids) I get into below lend credence to it being true, if the ideas in this thread are true/reality.

In the 1990s a Siberian businessman named Vladamir Megre travelled deep into the taiga to set up trade networks. A young woman named Anastasia meets him and gets him to come into the taiga to obtain 'cedar oil'. He does end up with cedar oil, but starts so much more.

Anastasia is a special woman with unusual powers. Over the course of the 10 books Megre has written she talks about or shows them. The animals in her forest grove will do anything for her - feed her, run errands, raise her children. She can communicate mentally over vast distances and place ideas in peoples' minds. She can look inside peoples' bodies and heal them with a ray of light. She creates 'images' for the future and is so fully invested in the vision that the wheels of the universe turn to make it happen. Her intention is to heal the earth, to "bring humans through the dark forces' window of time", and getting Magre on board was a major step in creating the better world in her 'image'. He could get her teachings outside the taiga. The big change that they have accomplished so far is whole villages of family homesteads build following her guidelines in Russia and Eastern Europe, with happy healthy families living a clean life. It's a return to Vedic pagan ways.

If you read the books be careful to get the right ones. Apparently they have been pirated and the false copies have some information removed. The ones on archive.org have the right cover:

Anastasia Book 1 Of The Ringing Cedars Series : Vladimir Megre : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

https://ia-petabox.archive.org/details/AnastasiaTheRingingCedarsOfRussia110

I listened to them all on audiobook while driving. Here's a link to Book One, the same reader does all ten.


View: https://youtu.be/we7tph8m1Bw



Here's how Anastasia relates to this thread.

When Anastasia has a question or faces a new challenge she will lie down on the ground until she has an answer or has created a new image for it to become. She will lay there as long as it takes until she has come up with a solution and created a new image if needed. Several times in the book series she gives advice about the proper way to connect with your new family homestead and to plant your future food on it. Nine minutes ends up being the correct time to lay on the earth to accomplish a new connection. I interpret this as the time it takes for the cycle of the universe to pass by once. Nine minutes is also the amount of time she says to hold a seed in your mouth before planting if you want it to grow to match your specific health needs.

Anastasia has a guardian/companion/protector that shows up when needed. It is a glowing plasmoid ball about 1.5 feet across. It first attached itself to her when she was a toddler and her parents died in an accident with a Ringing Cedar. As an adult, it shows up when she is in danger and incapacitates the threat. She treats it like an incarnate form of the Creator, consulting it for her most challenging problems.

Back to the thread...

Earlier in the thread Quiahuitl mentioned the 18 minutes of spinning/whirling it takes to experience the Tolli. He elaborated on this to include that the spin is counterclockwise and must be done for 52 days in a row to properly complete the cycle and bring about rejuvenation. The rest of our reality spins clockwise and this is a way to counteract the effects.

This 18 minutes Quiahuitl mentioned struck a note with me. As you see it has a 2:1 relationship to the 9 minutes that Anastasia says it takes to have the cosmos acknowledge a chosen new image. Anastasia is lying still on the earth and letting the cosmos pass her clockwise for 9 minutes. So going counterclockwise for 18 minutes makes sense, in a way. The first 9 minutes counterclockwise would be to get back to a neutral point, then the second 9 minutes could make some headway against inertia.

The plasmoid ball has been available to her since childhood. It is rarely visible, only when she needs it. The powers it has match the ones we have discussed for plasmoid balls kept in arks - the ability to speak or communicate with it, the gaining of knowledge from it, and it's ability to be a weapon for protection.

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One last thought about plasmoid balls. I think sacred fires were a representation of them, a cargo cult version of keeping the orb captive. Sacred fires usually have to be kept burning 24/7/365. Similar to the 24/7/365 sacrifices that were going at the Jerusalem Temple that may have been feeding the Yahweh plasmoid, if this thread is correct. Here's a few fires I've run across in the past couple days. There are many more.
• Cherokees had a sacred fire burning in the council house
• Jews have a sacred fire burning in temples and synagogues
• The Vestal Virgins keep the fire burning in the Temple of Vesta in Rome

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Earlier in the thread there is the idea brought up that statues were infused with blood or other bodily fluids of an individual. The essence of the person or god would continue on inside of the statue and be worshipped and/or communicated with. These types of statues were the ones transported in the Japanese arks. A lot of Asian cultures have home shrines with representations of their ancestors that they talk to, pray to and give offerings to.

I think this idea relates to an ancient Finnish custom of burying the ashes of a family in the roots of their Family Tree, to become part of the tree and eventually the air. The living descendants will then breathe in the air and be energized by their ancestors. There would be many generations of families buried in the roots of these trees. If a person died far from home their ashes would be brought back to be buried.

Most Native American tribes have customs to bury the bones of their dead in traditional burial grounds. If a native died far from home the people close to them would bring the bones home for burial. In the modern day some of the tribes that were forced out of the eastern United States have been able to sue for small areas of land in their original homelands to be used for burial.

Anastasia also speaks of Family Trees and of burial in the same place you were born. However, she doesn't say to bury the people under the tree or to burn the bodies. In her case the Family Tree is to be planted as part of a marriage, with further trees planted as children are born. She says that if you are buried in the same place you are born that you will be reincarnated much sooner, and into a new child born on that land (most likely your own descendant).

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There's my plasmoid ball thoughts. Thanks for your time reading it. And of course, feel free to tear it to shreds or agree, as necessary.

 

[Frostychud]

One last thought about plasmoid balls. I think sacred fires were a representation of them, a cargo cult version of keeping the orb captive. Sacred fires usually have to be kept burning 24/7/365. Similar to the 24/7/365 sacrifices that were going at the Jerusalem Temple that may have been feeding the Yahweh plasmoid, if this thread is correct. Here's a few fires I've run across in the past couple days. There are many more.
• Cherokees had a sacred fire burning in the council house
• Jews have a sacred fire burning in temples and synagogues
• The Vestal Virgins keep the fire burning in the Temple of Vesta in Rome

Hi Starfire, your several recent contributions deserve, and hopefully will receive, longer responses than I can provide at the moment. For now I just want to add that for many of these fire-worshiping people, the original flame cannot be terrestrial in origin. It has to come from the sky, for example when lightning strikes a tree and sets it on fire. As you say, this seems like a possible cargo-cult version of plasmoid ball worship.

 

[Artemisian]

Below is an 1816 engraving of Greyfriars Church, Reading (Berkshire, England), when it was used as a prison, with reference to a Bridewell (inside the hut?):

What struck me first was the delicate tracery, with no sign of glazing - what purpose does the quatrefoil shape serve? Of course, it could be argued that the looting by the bishops, and during the “civil war”, was so severe that every last shard of glass was neatly stripped out, but this is based on assumption, not evidence. Glass balls rather than flat panes could be a possibility, based on the shape of the tracery, but again it is based upon assumption.

Then I noticed that the church contained a fresh water supply - which may have been intentional when choosing the site. And then I noticed the muddy floor, which probably wasn’t part of the master plan, but may indicate a flooding event. And I can’t help but think that it is an indication of a sick society when a church is used as a prison.

The Greyfriars priory was dissolved by Dr. John London on 13th September 1538 when he found there "little plate and jewels," only a "great trough of lead at their well, and another in the kitchen, and the bell turret is covered in lead. Church ornaments slender”.

Did Dr London, the living man, exist? Or is this simply reference to the great tradition of London-based Papist pillaging of the good people of England? Apparently, in 1535, Dr. London was appointed one of the Commissioners for the Visitation during the Dissolution of the Monasteries, and was busily engaged in that work for some three years. He spoke contemptuously of the religious, so it was an aggressive appointment to make. When he obtained the surrender of a religious house, he stripped it of everything that had a pecuniary value and sent the spoils to London, seized all relics and defaced and destroyed whatever he could not remove, so that the bare walls of buildings were alone left. He was, indeed, the “most terrible of all the monastic spoilers”.

So London purported to work for the King of England, and/or the Crown (Cromwell), but sent all the spoils to a foreign country i.e. London. The City of London is still a foreign parasite lurking hidden within England, a little Vatican. Little has changed!

But, my point is that so much was plundered that it is not possible to rely on assumptions that are spoon-fed to us, with regard the origin and purpose of churches and cathedrals. “Dr London” details great lead troughs for water (would drinking from them cause illness, or has lead been demonised like mercury/quicksilver? Or was the water used for something else?) and statues “plated over in silver”, and this from just two priories. And there were relics - maybe not just religious relics, but from a differently-powered era. Undeniably, considerable effort was taken to dismantle the existing religious (cargo?) practices and buildings, with no other reason given than some inbred knobhead the Pope encouraged it.

And what happened to the huge quantities of metals that were stolen? Were they smelted down for arms to employ against the people, in the deluge of war that has continued ever since? Or made into Egyptian sarcophagi?! Who knows, but the materials are recorded as becoming available to the elite at this time.

This undated vanilla-sky image shows the exterior view of the same window. The hand-written title on the image says “Greyfriars Church, Reading, before restoration 32”, which is a curious thing to write at the time of a contemporaneous image, so it is likely to be an artist’s impression.

The finer detail of the tracery appears to have been knocked out - bless those busy masons!

And here after the restoration, with glazed windows, and extensions upward and south.

One last thing - check out the chimney of the next building to the right - what is that all about?? Why link two very narrow chimney stacks like that? Surely two shorter chimneys would have been easier to build and clean, if they were used to evacuate soot and smoke from wood/coal fires? Or is it a fake, and the roof was accidentally cropped out.

Big, draughty churches and cathedrals never have fireplaces/chimneys - if they were originally built as a venue for people to gather, then providing a bit of warmth, particularly in winter, seems an obvious consideration.

 

[Jd755]

The window from the print

The window today.

Looks the same to me.

 

[Artemisian]

The window from the print

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The window today.

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Looks the same to me.

You’re such a flirt, but well done on waiting six minutes before posting!
I can spot two differences: glazing on the lower one, and points to the ends of the upper and lower foils.

 

[Jd755]

You’re such a flirt, but well done on waiting six minutes before posting!
I can spot two differences: glazing on the lower one, and points to the ends of the upper and lower foils.

Oh do grow up. I was in the forum when you posted.
Err the missing roof in the first image suggests dereliction so odds are glazing would be missing due to said dereliction but how anyone can look at the print and state glazing is missing or not I don't know.
As for the lowers foils your zoom in must be better than mine.

I read your post but could not see what you see in regards the window so went looking for a clearer picture or two. Found one, cropped it and posted it. Its that simple.

As for the op premise of radio frequencies I look to what is known specifically the materials used as radio receivers and their design. Having been inside a handful of these cathedrals and more churches than is good for me all the windows are in stone surrounds. If they are receivers then glass is the least likely receiving medium to my mind. The stone of the window frame is the same stone as the walls so if the stone is the receiving part then the whole building would be a reciver.
So unless there was some other material once occupying what are today glazed portions of the window I see no way for these windows to receive or resonate radio frequencies.

Quartz would be an obvious one, perhaps glass made with high levels of quartz in or maybe plain old carbon was the missing material. I just don't know and cannot work out how one would look for either physical or documented evidence of such materials.

Edit to add
The colour image you posted is claimed to date to 1860.
The History of Greyfriars Church, Reading
Here's the brief history of its time as a prison which explains the dividing wall and suggest the roof had to be taken down as it was in danger of falling.
RBH: Description of the Bridewell Prison, Reading, Berkshire (1808)

If any of the dating is anywhere near, and who knows the truth of that?, then if this building was receiving radio frequencies it was doing so before the dissolutions. Does that point to the Roman Catholics being the users of radio frequencies?
Or does it point to the radio frequency users predating the Roman Catholics and it was the Catholics who deactivated the receiving aspect?
Or does it point to the predecessors using these frequencies for nefarious purposes and the Roman Catholics were the men who destroyed them to save themselves?

 

[Starfire]

More plasmoid ball info. This is how to use them to create energy.


View: https://youtu.be/IogPBJyDFWw?si=QKqN_pLFVdtkOKHI

 

[Frostychud]

More plasmoid ball info. This is how to use them to create energy.


View: https://youtu.be/IogPBJyDFWw?si=QKqN_pLFVdtkOKHI

I haven't had time to watch the whole long video myself yet, but will do so as soon as I have a couple of hours. I just wanted to add an idea I had while reading about a cemetery in West Virginia.

What if vertical stone stelae were originally placed over dead bodies because they channeled ball plasmoids through the decomposing organic material and temporarily brought the dead back to life in some way? Earlier in the thread it was suggested that scalar waves could transmit or potentiate genetic information. Maybe the concentrated energy rushing upwards through the DNA lit it up like a light bulb placed in an electrical field. The bigger the fortune, the bigger the stone monument, the more powerful the current, the more literally immortal the person interred there?

Also...is it possible that by passing through the dead body and scanning/activating the DNA, the ball plasmoid proto-consciousness simply gains access to the code of the dead ancestor/king, allowing it to convincingly impersonate them? Would ancestor worship indeed be zombie/demon worship? I am here allowing my imagination to wander...could a ball plasmoid literally scan and steal the face of a dead body?

Sorry to have so little to add after so long, especially after so many quality contributions that I have still neglected to respond to.

 

[Starfire]

This is information from a reply I made in the Moonlight Towers thread. It's also relevant here.

Moonlight Towers and the Wayne County anomaly

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This image is of a Moonlight Tower in New Orleans. In the foreground of the image is a little metal gazebo in the middle of the road.



Look closer at that little gazebo. The first thing that I thought was "There's a small vereya within the light of a large vereya, does that amplify the energies?" Then I saw the designs on the small vereya, specifically the roof.



There are spears projecting upwards at regular intervals with trefoil type heads, which is a shape we are learning is important to generating aetheric energy. There is a crescent on the peak, which is ancient symbology used on flags, frequently with a weapon or star. But this crescent is crossed with a tomahawk! Which is a weapon developed by Native Americans. Which tells me that when that little iron gazebo vereya was built, the Native Americans were in power.



Here are two traditional tomahawks:




This vereya gets even more interesting if you look inside it. There is a bearded man wearing some kind of crown or turban with a central spike coming out of it.






There are no newspapers or articles for sale around him, so it's not a sales kiosk. And there are no posters on the outside, so not an advertising kiosk. It's not big enough to house a band or music performance. So what is this random structure in the middle of the road? It has to have some purpose.

At first I believed that he was either an individual sitting there to receive the positive benefits from the vereya or that he was a fortuneteller. Passersby would perhaps pay him a few coins to see what information he could pull out of the aether to tell them. The headgear with the spike would increase the signals received, whether psychic, spirit or radio-type transmission.

Then as I was writing I received a deeper understanding that all vereyas are receiving stations.

These kiosks are the small local receiving stations. Just like churches are larger local receiving stations. And cathedrals were receivers and transmitters. People would go to vereyas and churches to receive blessings and rejuvenate their health, as well as bringing their 'iron objects' to get recharged. These people and objects were RECEIVING this energy being focused and enhanced by the shapes and patterns of the iron vereya.

I think this fellow sitting in the vereya was the news source and the postmaster of the neighborhood. Instead of paper mail or email, he would pick up mental mail. People could pay to pick up and send messages. Messages may have come from across the world. In the Old World these duties would have been handled by priests inside of churches. But here in the New World people were not as controlled by the Church and they could communicate however they chose. This Elder understood what this vereya could be used for, so he put on his special headgear and sat down to receive whatever energy or messages came his way. I will call him a 'wise Elder with special headgear sitting in an ornate vereya and delivering news and messages from the aether.' Local Elders probably took turns occupying the vereya 24/7 so they wouldn't miss any important incoming information. These may have been psychic, spirit or radio-type transmissions (or perhaps the voice of our creator?)

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Vereyas of all sizes were once common but have been repurposed to many other uses.
The natural progression of this small roadside vereya would be to make it into the newspaper kiosk, supposedly invented in Barcelona in 1888. People would have been used to going to the vereya for their mental news, so why not have them go the same place for the printed news? The vereya in the first picture below probably had contained a 'wise old man with special headgear sitting in an ornate vereya and delivering news and messages from the aether' and then was then changed into a newspaper seller with a cap sitting in the same structure selling the current false narrative, in print, from all over the world. In a generation no one would remember that it had changed from mental/spirit to print.




Since vereyas used to be where you would also get your mental mail, it would make sense to use a similar shape and intricacy of design when switching to paper mail. Easier transition for the general public to recognize where to put their letters.






And the Fortune Teller Booth is the cargo cult version of 'wise Elder with special headgear sitting in an ornate vereya and delivering news and messages from the aether.'

 

[Starfire]

I haven't had time to watch the whole long video myself yet, but will do so as soon as I have a couple of hours. I just wanted to add an idea I had while reading about a cemetery in West Virginia.

What if vertical stone stelae were originally placed over dead bodies because they channeled ball plasmoids through the decomposing organic material and temporarily brought the dead back to life in some way? Earlier in the thread it was suggested that scalar waves could transmit or potentiate genetic information. Maybe the concentrated energy rushing upwards through the DNA lit it up like a light bulb placed in an electrical field. The bigger the fortune, the bigger the stone monument, the more powerful the current, the more literally immortal the person interred there?

Also...is it possible that by passing through the dead body and scanning/activating the DNA, the ball plasmoid proto-consciousness simply gains access to the code of the dead ancestor/king, allowing it to convincingly impersonate them? Would ancestor worship indeed be zombie/demon worship? I am here allowing my imagination to wander...could a ball plasmoid literally scan and steal the face of a dead body?

Sorry to have so little to add after so long, especially after so many quality contributions that I have still neglected to respond to.

No worries on responding quickly to anything I post. We are all learning together and sharing ideas. While living busy lives outside of the forum, too. Also, it takes a while to watch four seasons of the Skinwalker Ranch show and read the ten books of Anastasia and the Ringing Cedars of Russia, in order to better understand what I was saying.

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Again, your thoughts get my mind racing.

Tombstones/vertical stone stelae as energy concentrators of the deceased spirit and activated by plasmoid orbs? Hell yeah! Sign me up. I will explore that idea with you.

The bigger hunks of stone and crypts have ended up being the markers of wealthy people. But if your theory is correct, I think that it would have started with larger stones for the wise men and leaders - the ones that had the most advice to offer. (More on this at the end of the post.) The bigger stones and buildings would hold more energy for the plasmoid to utilize. Then later the wealthy people were feeling self important and built ostentatious crypts because they thought people cared about what they had to say after they died, as compared to what a poor farmer might have to say.

In a couple threads on here, usselo's magnum opus and one about early Celtic writing, the gravestones in the British Isles are brought up. Some have curved tops and carvings of people and animals. Usselo thinks they were sacrifice rocks, where humans would be chained up for consumption by the pictured animals. OR, the carvings could help channel the energy and the plasmoids. There's plenty of other types of grave markers, but I haven't looked into it specifically.

Could you flesh out your idea for me? (Pun intended.) Are you saying that the decomposing bodies generate the plasmoids? Or that the stones/crypts draw out the plasmoids from the earth and then pass through the body and pick up DNA on the way?

Could a plasmoid steal the eyes and face of a leader? I think that it could, based on the properties we have dicussed on this thread. Steal might not be the right word, as I think is would have been done on purpose to prolong a leaders life.

Think of the Mummy movies where the ancient spirit takes over the modern human body. The spirit would have to be contained until the desired time. That could be done with some combination of tombstone, crypt, cairn, pyramid, etc.

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I've wondered for years about transferring minds from one vessel to another. I loved the movie Young Frankenstein early on and read tons of science fiction. When I was a teenager my previously mentioned ultra-responsible father (you remember him, the hippy who took young children to live in a cave on Crete), gave me a giant dose of psychedelic mushrooms and took me to a Grateful Dead concert. The part that I can remember is a really intense visualization regarding brain waves and transfer of consciousness. I will try and explain it, as I do think the procedure will be done in the future.

This process would be to record the brain waves of various living musicians while they were playing music. These brainwave matrices could then overlaid onto organic androids and play just like the real musician. This would allow the musicians to play in multiple places at once while they were alive or dead. But the organic androids would never be quite as good as the human musicians, they couldn't improvise. At least in my vision. Nowadays I think A.I. would improvise just fine.

Years later, as a (relatively) well adjusted adult I researched deeply into the Montauk situation. This also involved the recording of brain waves and could show images of what was on the mind of the person in the Montauk chair. I don't specifically recall any plasmoid balls, but there was a destructive energy anomaly that appeared once, roughly the size of a grizzly bear.

When I researched the Annunaki I put some thought into Enki's age. Four hundred and twenty-six thousand years had passed and Enki was supposedly still alive and was the same being. At first I thought it had to do with the long orbit of Niburu, 3,600 years, vs the short orbit of Earth, 365 days. So the Annunaki aged significantly slower while on Earth. Then I thought about regenerative beds or chambers. Enki could have kept himself young by spending most of his time in a chamber that keeps him from aging. These kind of devices probably still exist today for use by the highest elite. But the method I settled on as the most likely way Enki was/is alive for so long is mind transference into a new body. It would have been his own body cloned, so just move the mind into a new, fresh physique.

These above techniques could all be human cargo cult versions of the mind transference that a plasmoid could do on it's own.

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I saved the best for last. Anastasia talks all about stone dolmens being specifically created to contain a person's energy over time. So people could go to the dolman and communicate with their ancestors. Only the wisest people were allowed to be entombed in a dolmen. They would enter the dolmen alive and the tribe would move the large stones to seal the dolman. Then the person would go into a state of meditation and eventually their physical body would die. But their spirit would remain in the dolmen rather than reincarnating. This was a self-sacrifice by the person, to give up their eternal life changing from one form into another, and remain a spirit eternally bound to this location. By doing this, their knowledge would preserved and kept for humanity, and given to whoever visited the dolmen to receive the knowledge.

Since the books were written, the forgotten dolmens in Russia have been rejuvenated and are receiving regular visitors again. The spirits of the ancestors are able to share their wisdom with all who come.

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So spirits can be trapped in stone. But they are limited to the location of the stone. The plasmoids could have been a mechanism to transfer the spirit from the stone to flesh again.

 

[Frostychud]

Your idea about the rich copying the massive stone stelae of the wise makes perfect sense.

Could you flesh out your idea for me? (Pun intended.) Are you saying that the decomposing bodies generate the plasmoids?

No, but who knows?

Or that the stones/crypts draw out the plasmoids from the earth and then pass through the body and pick up DNA on the way?

This was the idea I was trying to get at.

Regarding spirits in stone -- somewhere on IHASFEMR Usselo links to a Russian Livejournal blogger who suggests that many/most/all old statues were filled or cast with blood. Lots of photos of ancient cup-bearer statues and sarcophagi with biofluid-stained drill holes in them. The blogger, Selenadia I think, speculates that the holes were drilled to retrieve the "Nephilim" genetic fluid. Or maybe the blood was just drained out to "kill" the statue. My own speculation goes in a slightly different direction than yours. I am not sure to what extent our spirit resides in our genetic code. I have identical twin uncles and their spirits are very different, as far as I can tell. My guess was rather that in active anomalous zones, genetic material was unintentionally activated, but in a spiritless, undead, zombie way. You might see the face, feel the presence, hear the voice, etc. of your loved ones...but it's not them, just some kind of homeless proto-consciousness stealing their identity. Maybe all the Christian, etc. taboos against witchcraft and speaking with the dead have a rational origin. I am not too knowledgeable about necromancy but I believe the standard warning against speaking with the dead is that you may simply be dealing with an impostor spirit. What if generations of humans believed they were talking with benevolent ancestors and wise men when in fact they were talking to "demons"? It could even have begun with the best of intentions. Or maybe the rich, powerful, and evil just cornered the post-mortem incarnation market, giving the practice of communication with the dead an undeserved bad name.

Do our spirits leave epigenetic traces on the vessels they pass through, traces which can be activated after death along with the raw genetic code, or does all trace of the spirit vanish at the moment of death, leaving only a potential golem?

 

[usselo]

Regarding spirits in stone -- somewhere on IHASFEMR Usselo links to a Russian Livejournal blogger who suggests that many/most/all old statues were filled or cast with blood. Lots of photos of ancient cup-bearer statues and sarcophagi with biofluid-stained drill holes in them. The blogger, Selenadia I think, speculates that the holes were drilled to retrieve the "Nephilim" genetic fluid.

Selenadia's work has cropped up - or leaked out - a few times in the IHASFEMR thread. This post is the latest list I recall.

Or search for selenadia.

Anastasia talks all about stone dolmens being specifically created to contain a person's energy over time. So people could go to the dolman and communicate with their ancestors. Only the wisest people were allowed to be entombed in a dolmen. They would enter the dolmen alive and the tribe would move the large stones to seal the dolman. Then the person would go into a state of meditation and eventually their physical body would die. But their spirit would remain in the dolmen rather than reincarnating. This was a self-sacrifice by the person, to give up their eternal life changing from one form into another, and remain a spirit eternally bound to this location. By doing this, their knowledge would preserved and kept for humanity, and given to whoever visited the dolmen to receive the knowledge.

If it were so, then this (or attempts at it) might explain immuration - the walling up of certain living people.

And perhaps some of the odd stone architecture uncovered in Lincolnshire in the 19th century. Squints, hagioscopes and conventionally-inexplicable slotted chambers. Similar features were uncovered elsewhere too but, for the most part, I squint at Lincolnshire.

In the light of your discussion, you can see why these features might have been called 'hagioscopes'.

Immurations I have known:

• Inchcolm Abbey, Scotland
• Temple Bruer, Lincolnshire
• Thornton Abbey - see Significance of Inchcolm Abbey and Notices of Lincolnshire, John George Hall, 1890, p21
• Nun Immured in Britain?. That's Woolhope, Herefordshire.
• Nun was possibly immured at 'Coldingham' Priory? per Notices of Lincolnshire, John George Hall, 1890, p22
• Brent Pelham hero Piers Shonks immured on his death

the gravestones in the British Isles are brought up. Some have curved tops and carvings of people and animals. Usselo thinks they were sacrifice rocks, where humans would be chained up for consumption by the pictured animals.

My opinion isn't cast in stone. It's simply that for operational efficiency while researching, I apply Maslow's Razor:

Animals prioritise physical needs before spiritual needs. Ancient relics reflect this.

In the case of plasmoid balls, etc, one could rewrite Maslow's Razor as:

Animals prioritise physical needs over advanced physics. Ancient relics reflect this.

I should have called it Maslow's Cleaver.

 

[Udjat]

I am not sure if anyone has posted anything about the singing that goes on in these churches and how maybe music helps to transition the deceased from one realm to the next. I am a singer and from my own experience I know how moving certain sounds can be. I myself do not like Christian Choir music because it hurts my ears most of the time. Usually the hymns are way to high of a pitch for my taste. Maybe it is the music that helps trap a soul here.
Another question I would have is what is a soul? Why and how could it get trapped here or haunt.

I believe these churches and other similar buildings were used for different purposes and I believe if there is a frequency that used to "work" in the name of good, it is now not at that same frequency. And, with everyone going to church how easy it is to congregate all these souls, so one could manipulate the masses instead of one human at a time.

I have been in the St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City when I was about thirteen and even then, when I stepped inside, I knew something wasn't right. It didn't feel like it was a safe place, it felt as if I had stepped into a different dimension that was not at all kind and inviting.
Every time I enter the catholic world it I always seem to have a bad experience. I have watched money launderers, I have heard of priests going over boundaries that they should not, and favoritism , especially when money is involved. These churches and temples have been either taken over by some crappy people or they have always been intentionally running on a strange frequency.

 

[Starfire]

Regarding spirits in stone -- somewhere on IHASFEMR Usselo links to a Russian Livejournal blogger who suggests that many/most/all old statues were filled or cast with blood.

We talked a bit about this earlier in the thread, with the Japanese portable gods. I shall spend some time looking at Selanadia's content. Putting blood in the statue would pretty much guarantee that the signature of the person was contained within the stone, or cast into it. The iron in your blood could create conduits in the stone for the energy to move along. This version of preserving the spirit might offer more protection against impersonation or might make that spirit more susceptible to it.

My own speculation goes in a slightly different direction than yours. I am not sure to what extent our spirit resides in our genetic code. I have identical twin uncles and their spirits are very different, as far as I can tell.

I feel that our spirit, soul and mind reside in the space surrounding our physical body. They are also one with all energy. So it might not be that the spirit resides in our genetic code, more that it is attached to our genetic code with a Quantum Entanglement. When the material body dies the spirit remains entangled while at the same time being part of all oneness and separate from the body.

In the scenario we are discussing with the blood in the statues, I don't know whether my mind just told me that this would mean that the spirit would be more closely entangled to the blood than if it was a just a buried body or ashes. That the spirit would essentially be held a prisoner within the statue and not be able to pass on and reincarnate. The plasmoids could then be the energy source needed to bring forth the entrapped spirit and cause it to speak. But it would not be an impersonation for a couple reasons - plasmoids are energy and have no malice (the Hunting Falcon plasmoids were consuming whatever was in front of them without discrimination), and the Quantum Entanglement would would allow the true spirit to be there once powered up with some form of energy (not exclusively the plasmoid). To be clear I am saying that the spirits trapped in the statue could be forced to communicate with the energy from a sacrifice, a plasmoid, a ritual or a local energy anomaly like we talked about earlier in the thread.

Are they demons? I do not believe so. Not the spirit left over in the stone vessels, tombstones, crypts, etc. And not the plasmoids.

This would be very different from the conscious choice of the sages and wise women in the dolmens, who chose to give up reincarnation to enrich humanity. Their presence would be present at all times on subtle levels, to be communed with while meditating to gain knowledge.

Do our spirits leave epigenetic traces on the vessels they pass through, traces which can be activated after death along with the raw genetic code, or does all trace of the spirit vanish at the moment of death, leaving only a potential golem?

I think we leave traces of ourselves on/in everything we touch. But not always genetic. Ethereal traces. That's why psychics and dogs can find a lost person from something they touched.

I read your final question again and really thought on it for a bit. I'm sorry if it is slightly contradictory to the ideas above. I think that the potential does exist for golems, i.e. that a plasmoid or other process could impersonate a dead person in the form of a ghost. Again though, the plasmoid is not malicious. I think the larger tombs, crypts and dolmens would have offered protection for the essence of the person against theft. And I get it now why you used the word 'theft' previously. Thank you for persisting with your question until I fully understood it.

 

[Frostychud]

Are they demons? I do not believe so. Not the spirit left over in the stone vessels, tombstones, crypts, etc. And not the plasmoids.

This would be very different from the conscious choice of the sages and wise women in the dolmens, who chose to give up reincarnation to enrich humanity. Their presence would be present at all times on subtle levels, to be communed with while meditating to gain knowledge.

I am going to allow myself to engage in a little philosophical speculation about the nature of wisdom here, as I believe it directly concerns what we're discussing. "Wise" is a word I've always felt a little uncomfortable with. Why? Because it implies that a "balanced" relationship with nature and/or the social order is (1) possible and (2) desirable. I tend rather to believe that (1) subjectivity in its pure essence is by definition at odds with any stable or balanced order and (2) the development of subjectivity is the closest thing to an ethical imperative we have. Sooner or later we need to kill our gods. Etymologically, "fascism" is the fantasy of a social order in which the role of the individual is to work for the collective. Everything about the "wise" ancient social order appears to have a circular structure, from the literal stone (and presumably human as well) circles arranged around the central altar from which the divinity emerges to the cyclical nature of their vision of existence, in which a good life is defined as one that respects the seasonal rituals and observances as well as the grander cycle of birth, marriage, parenthood, death, etc. I can imagine what the petrified sages and wise women might say when lit up by the telluric currents: respect your elders, observe the rituals. Again, I am being a little provocative, but this sounds like proto-Fascism to me. Here I find myself siding with the original Hebrews who went around destroying statues. (Unfortunately they didn't do it out of any genuine ethical impulse, but simply to eliminate all competition for their private Fascist God, Yahweh.) I hated the Avatar movies and the humorless "natural paradise" they presented. I think there's a very good chance that the world we live in now, in which the gods have been silenced, the tunnels walled up, the churches and temples reduced to mere architecture, and most humans plunged into total confusion, may actually represent an ethical high point on Earth. Humans are not that smart, not that strong, and not that good, but I do believe we are potentially free in a way that the other forms of consciousness that we are discussing here are not. This is why I suspect that re-animated bodies, no matter how wise they were on Earth, risk becoming vessels for forms of consciousness that simply do not understand what freedom is, and as a result can only imagine the purpose of existence as the construction of a beautiful, stable, self-perpetuating circular order (or more accurately, pyramidal, as there is always someone or something elevated in the center of the circle) that can only end in a totalitarian system. Whether that system be a comfortable and "good" one like Singapore or a dark one like Stalin's USSR is almost immaterial. Dictators always want their slaves to smile. The most perverse among them actually imagine they are making their subjects happy. I'd rather live as a sick, aether-deprived, irreverent nomad wandering among the ruins of the old order than deal with the living gods.

 

[AthroposRex]

In my experience, when an entity/intelligence that exists outside our vibration zone or dimension or what have you, wants to communicate or influence someone, they do what I call “overtoning”. That is, they match your vibrational frequency but at an octave difference or multiples of same. Everyone has a unique vibrational signature kind of like a MAC address. Discernment allows one to approve or disapprove of the connection. Not all things in higher octaves are in one’s best interest. When it is an internal process, not an external material effect but proceeding from the inside out, I’ve noticed that it is generally good and most often my “higher self” or perfected archetype or what have you. I just call it the “Oversoul”. It’s a sense of self that it “out of time” or possibly forward in time that is positive in its effect (or maybe I should say “positive” in that it is interested in helping one get to “absolute neutral” which is the direction God is in. It’s hard to rationalize these things because there is not really language to describe it other than drawing around the concept like I’m doing now, and hoping the deeper meaning resonates. It’s well demonstrated by the Nigel Cheese “point of infinite neutrality”.
I’ve noticed this happening more after my ormus experiences, but I had some exceptionally strange experiences prior to this that bore the same hallmarks. It’s like something more complete “or possibly just in a higher dimension” than me sits on me in an energy field that has its own discernible awareness.

So perhaps the blood in statues, or even making resonant statues, is to operate that functionality in some way. To bring forth either energy for a communion, or to imbue resonant energy into an object. This may have functioned better back then when the energy field was a whole fractal larger. I notice that this would also match the requirements for a two way communication device, so it still fits the larger theme of this thread.
That’s my intuition on it anyway. Anecdotal, of course.