Temples and Churches as Radio Frequency Receivers

My sincere apologies, feralimal. Your tuition has been refunded in full, plus interest.

To the OP and others: my sincere apologies for the distraction from this otherwise vital discussion. As Henry Hillman would often say: "The whale gets harpooned only when it spouts."
 
Writing/linguistically symbolizing/speaking of "conspiracy theorists," Dr. Rose's description of his feelings being next to one of the old d-wave annealers is totally ridiculous:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt1Pf1HMuG4
[including links for any still performing arduous Google searches]

If he was American, he'd probably believe 9/11 was some sort of ritual, JFK never got shot, the Civil War abolished slavery, and the Romans won the Punic Wars. What a kooky Canuck!
 
One rule I live by: NEVER take anyone seriously, especially old folks with decades of experience, that can't even make a decent video! I bet that guy's still jerking off manually like El Duderino!


View: https://youtu.be/vFl6iZ4N_lo?si=u8jIdNlAlfInz5SJ


Dr. Isaacs really needs to get that latest smartphone with the 33 cameras and 7G internal antennas...


View: https://youtu.be/215Wv23xgLA?si=h1SHmtgp7-jN5e-x


Weird. Those antennas look strangely familiar. Where have I seen those before? Definitely NOT that old "parking lot" near the totally natural "lake" across from the Precious Moments Chapel in that old mining town of Carthage, Missouri, where the most valuable things discovered in the limestone quarries were lead and zinc. Definitely the first things they found in those OLD mines were lead and zinc. That's probably why DeSoto walked around randomly in the forests of the Ozarks and just could never find that elusive buried treasure. But no worries - lots of money in lead and zinc, I've heard. Well...I guess zinc *is* pretty valuable when used in wire manufacturing galvanization...maybe that's why the huge corporation in Carthage, Missouri set-up shop there: because they wanted access to that cheap zinc for their highly-sophisticated wire coils. You guys know, the super-expensive wire coils that go in...ummm...BED SPRINGS! Yeah, that's what we'll tell 'em: bed springs! I mean, who doesn't enjoy a good modern night's rest on an un-grounded mattress?!? Soooo much more comfortable than that old organic feather tech that all the stupid farmers sleep on.
 
Oh, what's that you say? They set-up that company there BEFORE the discovery of zinc in those quarries? Hmmm...I have a pretty decent grasp of Cause & Effect as were taught to me in public school, and this really doesn't make any sense. And all this thinking with my brain is really starting to make my head hurt, and I have to go to my daughter's First Communication, I mean First Communion, at the Vietnamese Roman Catholic campus tomorrow on Grand Avenue just down the street from the Jasper County Courthouse, so I need a good night's sleep.

I would stick my head in the sand, but I've been told that may not be smart around Carthage...well, with all the caves 'n' such. Definitely don't put your head below the surface. "As above, so below" is esoteric wisdom, after all. Definitely NOT literal. There's absolutely NO place for an investigation of the inherently secretive nature of mining, mining tech, mining history, or cultural implications in THIS thread's discussion. Mining is a subject better addressed in some of this forum's other threads. I mean, if everybody knew how to "mine," then the mined materials wouldn't be scarce, and then nobody would need to trade with us for them, and then they might learn how to play those organs above the scary "catacombs," and then, and then, and then...and then our whole system of control and worship of Ba'al Oz would be rendered... Oh, whoops...

and almost forgot for feralimal:

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Bayowski, thanks for the contributions.

I want to riff on something you bring up, namely the "folded up" antennae in mobile phones. As the man in the video explains, engineers figured out that they could shorten their antennae by twisting them into weird shapes:

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(Those are iPhone antennae)

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(A screenshot of a flat, printed antenna taken from the video)

Now, the obvious first association here is with letters/hieroglyphics.

I've cited the work of Julian Jaynes at length here. Remember, he's the Yale neuroscientist who argued in the 70's that everyone on Earth was hearing voices until the "Bronze Age Collapse" which took place roughly three thousand years ago according to conventional chronology and which may have taken place much more recently. Here's what he says about ancient writing systems:

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Let's take this idea a step further.

- What if the original hieroglyphic writing systems were actually antennae transducing some regular signal from the aether?

We're all familiar with sigils. These are essentially unique hieroglyphics that somehow channel aetheric intelligences, according to folk magic. Here are a few examples:
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Those don't look pictorial to me.

Cellphone antennae only work if they are made of specific conductive materials. It suddenly occurs to me that all those letters and hieroglyphics carved in stone may have been filled with gold, transforming them into literal antennae:

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We also have the tradition of illuminated manuscripts, in which certain letters are written in gold ink:

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Remember as well that Konstantin Meyl distinguishes between regular electromagnetic radiation and its invisible (information-transmitting) scalar component. Presumably, sigils and hieroglyphs transmit precise scalar signatures.

Here's what I'm imagining. The key word here is "imagining". The original hieroglyphics were antennae that transduced voices directly into the heads of the people who approached them. They weren't read, they were heard.

Immediately we are confronted with several questions:

- Were these voices "alive", or were they recordings?
- Did the hieroglyphic have to be seen to be heard, or did it function like a radio transmitter?
- Did they project moving images directly into the mind?
- Did they induce a dream state?

If the hieroglyphs could indeed be heard/seen, it would be necessary for the priests who knew how to draw them to hide them from the public, because if the peasants were allowed to see the hieroglyphs, they could conceivably reproduce them. And aren't ancient traditions and "superstitions" full of hidden names of God, punishments for "using the name in vain", prohibitions on "idolatry", etc.? Wasn't metallurgy (alchemy) also a protected priestly technology?

There is a tradition in folk magic of sigils being placed near the individual or place targeted by the charm or amulet. They "work" whether or not they are visible. In fact, invisibility can even enhance their power.

There is also a tradition of so-called "foundation deposits", in which ceremonial objects (inscribed with letters, designs, or hieroglyphics) are buried underneath buildings. This may connect with the "hordes" of coins that are regularly found around ancient structures. It never really made sense to me why there should be so many old coins scattered around like this. We tend to assume that these coins always functioned as money, but perhaps they originally functioned as antennae inscribed with sigils and likenesses of certain kings in order to associate their spirits with certain places. If we are working from the idea that the global culture was once unified, and that the "Egyptians", the "Celts", the "Scythians", etc. were all basically one people with a common technological core, then this practice of burying coins makes more sense. I can even imagine that ancient people were in the habit of carrying around purses full of coins for psychic reasons, and that this old habit was cargo-culted into using coins as money. Maybe the (sigils on the) coins stored in or under the Temple were "activated" by telluric currents associated with the site, which in turn activated the portable coins, amulets, artifacts, etc. worn or carried by supplicants.

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Are the coins “foundation deposits”? - Ancient Synagogue Coins

The author of this article suggests that the use of coins rather than other types of offerings was an exclusively Jewish phenomenon. Is this an example of two different types of technology being misattributed to different eras and/or religions?

Supposedly, ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics could be read both symbolically and phonetically. That was Champollion's big breakthrough: treating them as an alphabet. Now, I suspect the Rosetta Stone is a forgery, and I have no idea where archaeological reality ends and where forgery begins when it comes to "Ancient Egypt". However, thinking logically, the Champollion story does at least make sense. I can imagine the ancient priest class inventing "silent" phonetic alphabets based loosely on hieroglyphics after some cataclysm rendered the original inscriptions mute.

Think of it this way. Let's imagine that temples were once full of metal (conductive) coins inscribed with sigils and likenesses of gods and deified kings. Anyone who approached these temples could perhaps enter into direct psychic contact with the disembodied spirits represented thereupon. If he brought them "food" in the form of sacrifices or offerings whose plasma/orgone component the disincarnate entities attached to the temple could consume, they could perhaps be persuaded to intervene on behalf of the supplicants. These temples were manned by priests who had essentially made their minds and bodies available to the gods, allowing themselves to become empty vessels that could be possessed at will. Is this why powerful families were expected to donate some of their children to the Temple, as there was no more valuable gift to the gods than a body they could incarnate into? We're all familiar with the accounts of elite "Satanic ritual abuse".

- Elite families purchase their worldly power by offering living bodies to disincarnate gods
- Children offered in this way are "passed through the fire" (traumatized, transgendered) to kill their souls and prep their bodies for possession

Maybe this is also where the weird tradition of temple prostitution began. By having sex in the temple, were the priestesses inviting the disembodied gods/kings to enter their wombs at the moment of conception? Or perhaps the dead kings simply wanted to be able to f*ck again, and the only way they could do this was by borrowing the bodies of their acolytes in the temples where they were trapped. We can also perhaps draw a line between the practice of Temple prostitution and the later aristocratic privilege of jus primae noctis. Not only that, it might explain the origin of the French folk tradition of the voyage de noces or "marriage trip" (discussed at length by Foucault of all people) in which newlywed couples were expected to consummate their marriages in moving horse-drawn carriages (!) immediately after the ceremony. Was this done to prevent site-bound "spirits" from hijacking the moment of conception?

Taking it even further, this might also offer us a possible explanation for circumcision, which I have never understood. Were the foreskins of baby boys cut off and left in the temple in order that the plasma entities dwelling there might somehow read the DNA signature of the child and sync up with it? Remember, Meyl shows that scalar waves can read and transmit DNA signatures. Circumcision was apparently reserved for the priesthood in Egypt. Is this because it established some plasma entanglement with the gods? Were the foreskins left in the Temple for a certain time period before being buried? Was the foreskin selected as the ideal flesh offering since in many ways it is the most "disposable" piece of skin on the body? I mean think about it. You HAVE to cut a piece of your body off to set up your Bluetooth connection with the gods. What do you cut off? The only piece of flesh I can think of that might be better suited for such an operation would be the earlobe. But women have earlobes too, and maybe the priests wanted to reserve this privilege for men.

There's also this...

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Sounds pretty juicy...

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Now, let's imagine some celestial cataclysm occurs that renders the old aether field weak or inoperative. Maybe this occurred gradually, or maybe it occurred all at once. Meyl hints, in Broadcasting of the Gods, that he believes it was gradual. Now when people walk into the temple with an offering and stand next to the obelisk, or the altar, or the stele, or whatever, they hear nothing no matter how intently they stare at the inscription.

That's a problem.

Let's now imagine a clever priest somewhere sees the incredible opportunity for personal gain this offers him. The aether has weakened to the point that the balance of power has shifted in his favor. By overlaying the original "speaking" hieroglyphics with a secret phonetic system known only to the priest class, the "gods" could once again be "made to speak"...but only through the mediation of the priests, who can now make the gods say whatever they want. Imagine you're an illiterate slave. You know that statues and inscriptions once "spoke", but no longer. You see a priest looking into a weird object (a "book") and suddenly speaking differently, more eloquently, more poetically. You don't know what "reading" is. Wouldn't you assume that the gods are literally speaking through him? Wouldn't you conclude that the priest had a divine essence that you didn't?

Since the original hieroglyphics are not really suited to phoneticization, it makes sense that they would be replaced by more streamlined alphabets. It would also make sense that different competing alphabets would emerge, since the power of a particular priesthood would depend on their exclusive ability to speak in the name of the gods. Proprietary alphabets would therefore be highly protected technologies, since they would be the key to enslaving the illiterate masses. No alphabet, no speaking God trick. And isn't there a legend that the Latin language and alphabet were looted from a conquered priesthood as spoils of war?

Let's walk this through. At one time, humans from anywhere on Earth could perhaps see/hear the gods simply by approaching their "homes". If we accept this hypothesis, it would make sense that everyone on Earth also spoke whatever unified language the gods spoke to them in this dream state. But once the gods go silent, different priesthoods in different locations phoneticize the original sounds differently. Not only that, the local priesthoods intentionally confuse and complicate the original language to make their subjects completely dependent on them. I guess it would only require a few generations for the Great Babelisation of tongues to take place.

We even have a concrete example of something like this. People in China and Japan use the same pictograms, but phoneticize them differently. However, the Japanese also have a phonetic alphabet (possibly derived from Hebrew).

Now it's the priests themselves who get to screw all the virgins, not the gods who once possessed their bodies. As for all those old useless gold and silver coins piled up in the storeroom...why not use them as "money" now? This would be when "paganism" (rule by living gods) became "Judaism" (rule by priests). I put them in quotation marks because I see them less as religions than as socioeconomic systems determined by aetheric conditions and the accompanying levels of technological development.

I can even imagine that the gods could still communicate weakly with the priests, but the balance of power had shifted against them. Now it's they who have to serve the priests if they want to "eat", and not vice versa. It's no longer the priests who have to sacrifice themselves to the gods, but the gods who have to beg the priests to serve them. Perhaps the idea of replacing hieroglyphics with phonetic alphabets was grudgingly introduced to the priests by the starving gods themselves, as they had no other option to continue to survive...kind of like Norma Desmond's former director winding up as her butler in "Sunset Boulevard". Or perhaps something akin to the process that transformed this:
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I can imagine an arms race taking place, one that might even benefit the people (at first). How so? Imagine that there are multiple competing priesthoods, each with their own alphabets, temples, statues, etc. They have to offer some incentive to the people to worship them and not the priesthood down the road. Hotter temple prostitutes, bloodier mystery rituals, tastier barbecues, fairer laws, lower interest rates, etc. Of course, as the economist Thomas Piketty shows, free markets always seem to end up giving rise to monopolies. Once that happens, there is no longer any incentive for those in power to give anything to their subjects, since there is no longer any competition. That's what we see all around us today: as money and power are increasingly centralized, our standard of living begins to go down.

I can imagine that the rival priesthoods, like rival mafia clans in Sicily or whatever, would all understand that no matter how bad the infighting between them got, the one absolute rule would have to be: do not share literacy with the peasants, as that would immediately ruin the grift for everyone.

Logically, it would of course only be a matter of time before some rebel priest went full retard, broke the omerta, and shared written language with the peasants. And perhaps that is what the original "Jesus Christ" was: a man who shared the "name of God" with the people, thereby challenging the power of the priesthoods to serve as parasitic intermediaries between the people and the now-silent gods. We could expect such a reformer to insist on a universalist ethics, on a simplified form of worship, and on an overhaul of the financial system. Well, Michael Hudson argues that the original Christ was above all a monetary reformer, and that the Lord's Prayer is about the forgiveness of debt, not the forgiveness of sin (the words are identical in many languages).

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And wouldn't you know it, in Jewish lore, Jesus Christ is accused of stealing the name of God and presumably sharing it with the Gentiles...

Thread 'Another story about the Caesarean birth of Jesus' Another story about the Caesarean birth of Jesus

I could even imagine that there were lots of such "whistleblower Christs" with similar stories inasmuch as the emergence of such characters can be considered an immanent consequence of the system of priestly exploitation. And if I'm not mistaken, the Talmud is full of multiple Yeshus boiling in excrement. Well, that makes sense too, since a "Yeshu" would be nothing but a traitor, and all mafias reserve their harshest punishments for traitors.

If we continue to think like game theorists or economists, we could also imagine that inevitably, mathematically, a mass literacy inflection point would occur beyond which the law of diminishing returns would reduce the power of the old priesthoods to zero over time. Imagine you're on a sinking ship and there are not enough lifeboats for everybody. At first it makes more sense for everybody to work together to bail out the boat, but once the first person drops his bucket to run for a lifeboat, everyone will drop their buckets and follow him.

In other words, once it becomes clear that the old con is doomed by mass literacy, it makes much more sense to get ahead of the curve by updating the con to include "controlled opposition" elements. And here we have an elegant logical explanation for the sudden explosion of Christianity. I can imagine that all at once the priesthoods realized that their only hope of surviving lay in merging the old "Jewish" system (or perhaps I should say, the old Levite system) with the new "Christian" system. By this point, the main challenge of the priesthoods would be to remain as inwardly "Jewish" as possible while superficially appearing as "Christian" as possible. Hypocrisy and sanctimony would now be baked in. And of course that gives us Catholicism, in which the priesthood holds onto many of its old privileges while paying lip service to the reformer (who has been conveniently rewritten in a way that maintains much of the architecture of both paganism and its organic outgrowth Judaism).

According to this analysis, we could describe paganism as "government by plasma parasites", Judaism as "government by bankers, liars, and actors", Christianity as "government by pious hypocrites", and see them as logically successive stages in a Hegelian dialectic.

I'll take whatever is behind door number four...

Note: as I have been accused of "making shit up" before, I wish to make it very clear that what I have written here today is essentially high-octane speculation based on my own incomplete knowledge of historical sources and traditions.
 
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Think of it this way. Let's imagine that temples were once full of metal (conductive) coins inscribed with sigils and likenesses of gods and deified kings.
It took me a day to get my toughts together because this is potentially big! We're all familiar with the legends of the Golden cities (El Dorado, Z, etc), and since Gold is one of, If not THE best conductive metal, and if we assume these legends are true and closet to our time, imagine the insane amount of Power/tech these places had!!

And after the cataclism, in order to survive, Said civilizations went underground, near some Gold deposits so they could maintain the lifestyle & tech (Agartha)

Pure conjecture from my part, but i think It's a possible scenario worthy of further investigations
 
If the buildings used this technology, it was probably in everything. Perhaps a lot of pre-collapse technology used RF tags and wireless transmitters so their artifacts appear mundane to the naked eye.

Maybe what we assume was mundane jewelry had a function, like rings that worked as keycards or necklaces that emitted healing frequencies. What we think of as fashion is probably a cargo cult of items that used to have real effects
 
I’ve been thinking about the True Cross. Here’s why it’s considered important and was seized many times before it totally disappeared:

" The Holy Cross, believed to be the True Cross on which Jesus was crucified, was historically important as the most sacred relic in Christianity, symbolizing Christ’s sacrifice and divine redemption. It served as a powerful emblem of faith, imperial authority, and victory — especially for emperors like Constantine and Heraclius — and became a central symbol during the Crusades. Its capture or recovery often shaped political and religious morale, while its fragments inspired widespread pilgrimage, devotion, and church building throughout medieval Christendom."

  • According to Christian tradition, the True Cross was “discovered” in Jerusalem in the 4th century by Saint Helena, mother of Emperor Constantine, during her pilgrimage (Wikipedia, Encyclopedia Britannica). A portion was kept in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, and fragments were distributed elsewhere (Encyclopedia Britannica, Wikipedia).


Over the centuries, the relic was seized or lost several times:

  • In 614 AD, during the Sasanian Persian conquest of Jerusalem under King Khosrow II, the Persians captured the city and seized the True Cross relics, taking them to their capital Ctesiphon (Tertullian.org, Wikipedia).
  • In 628 AD, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius defeated the Persians after campaigns culminating in 627–628 AD and regained the True Cross, restoring it to Jerusalem in 629 or 630 (Military Wiki, Wikipedia)
  • During the Crusader period, fragments of the True Cross were often carried by crusader armies as relics of sacred power, and in the Battle of Hattin (1187), Saladin captured Jerusalem and seized a fragment of the True Cross from the Crusaders. That relic was never returned to Christian hands (Military Wiki, Wikipedia).
  • After that point, the “main” relic of the Cross more or less disappears from reliable historical record (Military Wiki, Wikipedia).
  • Because of the many divisions and dispersals of relics, many small fragments of the True Cross are claimed in churches around the world today, though the authenticity of many claims is uncertain or contested (Military Wiki, Wikipedia).

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My hypotheses :
Considering the long millennium of claimed discoveries, losses, and recoveries, the continuous preservation of a wooden cross from the 1st century is scientifically unlikely. Maybe we are actually talking about a technological or scientific object that was important for different civilizations to obtain. Finally, the science behind it has disappeared.
 

What do we know about the True Cross?



The term “True Cross” designates the wooden cross on which Jesus was crucified, according to Christian tradition. According to late antique hagiography and patristic sources, the cross lineage traces to Jerusalem, where, around 326 CE, Saint Helena, the mother of Emperor Constantine, is said to have located the relics associated with the crucifixion and identified the site of Golgotha.
Historical focus on a pivotal event: In 614 CE, during the Persian conquest of Jerusalem led by King Khosrow II of the Sasanian Empire, the Persians captured the city and took the True Cross relics to their capital, Ctesiphon.

How did Khosrow purportedly utilize the Cross? Contemporary or later Persian chronologies and later Islamic and Western medieval sources report that Khosrow II placed the captured True Cross within his cosmological throne, the Takht-e Taqdīs (also rendered Takht-e Taghdis).
Terminology and transmission:

  • Eastern traditions commonly refer to the place as Takht-e Taqdīs. Western sources have described analogous sites with various appellations, including the so‑called Silver Tower (a label found in some medieval and modern European texts).
  • Variant transliterations of the Persian name encompass Tagh, Takht-e Taghdis, and related forms, reflecting transliteration conventions rather than distinct entities.
Brief excerpts from early texts


The Golden Legend

For the year of our Lord six hundred and fifteen, our Lord suffered his people much to be tormented by the cruelty of the paynims. And Cosdroe, king of the Persians, subdued to his empire all the realms of the world; and he came into Jerusalem and was afeard and adrad of the sepulchre of our Lord, and returned, but he bare with him the part of the Holy Cross that S. Helena had left there. And then he would be worshipped of all the people as a god, and did do make a tower of gold and of silver, wherein precious stones shone, and made therein the images of the sun and of the moon and of the stars, and made that by subtle conduits water to be hid, and to come down in manner of rain. And in the last stage he made horses to draw chariots round about, Like as they had moved the tower, and made it to seem as it had thundered. And thus this cursed man abode in this temple, and delivered his realm to his son, and did do set the cross of our Lord by him, and commanded that he should be called god, of all the people. And as it is read in libro de mitrali officio: The said Cosdroe, resident in his throne as a father, set the tree of the cross on his right side instead of the sun, and a cock on the left side instead of the Holy Ghost, and commanded that he should be called father. Source

Reversio Sanctae Crucis:

a silver tower, in which he had constructed a golden dome set with glimmering gems, where he had placed a chariot of the sun and the likeness of moon and stars and had installed hidden pipes for running water, so that he would seem to pour out rain from above like a god. And while horses pulled in circles in a cave below the earth, causing the structure of the tower to turn as if he were moving it, a roar as of thunder was imitated as well as art permitted.

Sermo de exaltatione sanctae crucis:

Now that tower … was vastly tall and was built of silver bricks right from its foundations. The top was of gold with precious stones and gems. In that tower there was a kind of man-made heaven, and on his festival day this was the custom: that tyrant sat with his magistrates and prefects and made horses run down through the tower from above, so that it would seem like thunder, and through hidden pipes in the heaven he made water to be poured and diffused as if it were raining. Source Source

Shahnameh

This is the most detailed one. The Farsi text is difficult to read and understand . This is probably due to the fact that the poet had difficulty with reading and understanding the original text. Source. Here is a more organized version of poem;

The Throne's First Origin

You know about that throne called Takdis, which Khusrau Parwiz set up in the hippodrome. Its origin actually began under Zahhak, that hateful unbeliever. This happened because when the hero Faridun came and took the style of kingship from the Arabs, there was a man living on Mount Damawand who was favored by the Shah. His name was Jahn, son of Barzin. He was a powerful person in the kingdom, and he became famous for making a throne for that Shah, covering it with gems. Shah Faridun was very happy with him when that grand throne was finished. He gave him thirty thousand drachms, a golden crown, and a pair of earrings. He also had a patent (a royal grant) written for him, giving him the lands of Sari and Amul. These coastal lands that were given to him were like Paradise.

The Throne's Early Heirs

When Faridun gave Iran to Iraj, the youngest of his famous sons, he also gave him three things. These were: this exact throne; the ox-head mace, to be his memorial in the world; and third, a jewel that the just Shah called “The Seven Founts.” When Iraj passed away, these things were left behind, and Manuchihr enjoyed them. Every king who wore the crown added something to that throne. When it came to the fortunate Kai Khosrow, he added a lot to its height.

Jamasp's Astronomical Addition

The throne passed in sequence to Luhrasp and then to Gushtasp. When Gushtasp saw it, he cried, “The work of mighty men must not be hidden.” He spoke to Jamasp, a man of worship, and said: “What can you add to this achievement? Look it over everywhere and see what addition to it will win us praise after we die.” Jamasp looked at the throne and saw in it a key to open the door of wisdom. He inscribed the heavenly host (stars and angels) on it, which hold the secrets of the future. By the Shah's order, he also portrayed the forms of the planets, from Saturn down to the moon.

The Throne's Destruction and Failed Copy


In this way, the throne reached the time of Sikandar (Alexander). Each Shah who looked at it added something—gold, silver, ivory, and ebony. This continued until Sikandar, through ignorance, broke it up all at once. However, the nobles managed to hide and pass down many pieces. Things stayed this way until Ardashir began his reign. By then, even the throne's name had been forgotten. He couldn't find any traces of it, so he made a new one. It was not as he wanted, and he didn't get much joy from it. He died and left it, and so did the kings who came after him.

Khosrow Parwiz's Plan to Rebuild


When Khosrow Parwiz sat on the throne and all the chiefs were loyal to him, they talked about that other royal throne and its history. The Shah said: “My chiefs! I ask a favor of my loyal subjects so that I can remake that famous throne to keep my name remembered. I need the plan that was drawn by Jamasp—the one favored by the sky. It was the plan that Shah Gushtasp adopted, with help from Jamasp’s advice and skill.”

The Reconstruction


An archimagus (chief priest) reproduced the plan, which made the exalted Khosrow Parwiz happy. Once he had the plan, he hurried to joyfully reconstruct the throne. He brought out the throne Ardashir had made and gathered all the craftsmen of Iran. So, in the days of that victorious Shah, they rebuilt that splendid throne. The artisans came from Rum (Rome/Byzantium), Chin (China), Makran, Baghdad, and from Iran itself. There were sixty-one score (1,220) craftsmen focused on building it. Each of them had thirty workers under him, men from Rum, Pars, and Baghdad. The Shah commanded them all to work hard to get the throne completed in two years. When it was finally set up, high fortune shone.

Dimensions and Materials

Its height was five score (100) royal cubits, if you add another three score and ten (70) [total 170 cubits]. The breadth was six score (120) cubits, because it was less broad than it was high. A different carpet was laid down every morning for the entire month. Seven score thousand (140,000) plaques of gold, which had patterns made of turquoise, were set on the throne. Every nail and clamp was solid silver, and each one weighed sixty-six miskals.

The Throne and the Seasons

When the Sun (Sol) showed its lamp in the sign of Aries (spring), the desert was behind the throne, and it faced toward the garden. But when the Sun raged in Leo (summer), during the month of Tir—the time for fruit and festivals—the throne's back was turned toward the sun. It stood facing the garden and the fruits to catch their scents. In Winter, during the days of wind and rain, no one felt the weather while seated there. The top was completely and royally enclosed with beaver skins and sables.

Glowing and Astronomical Model

There were also a thousand balls of gold and silver that glowed like burning logs in the fire. Each one weighed five and twenty score (500) miskals and was coral-colored from the heat. One half of these balls was in the fire, and the other half was turned toward the noble warriors. The host of heaven, the planets, the Zodiac, the bright moon in whatever sign it was in, and all the celestial bodies, whether fixed or wandering, were visible to the astronomer. He could see what portion of the dark night had passed and how much the sky had moved across the earth.

The Invaluable Jewels

Among these tables (panels), some were made of gold, and they contained such a wealth of jewels! Not even an expert could count them all. The cheapest of them cost around three score and ten (70) dinars. For some, seven hundred dinars would not be enough to buy them. So, you must just take an average. There were many rubies there whose value no one could even estimate. They lit up the night like the planet Venus in the sky.

The Three Rows of Seats

On the throne's steps, there were three rows of seats, all enriched with gems. Between one row and the next, there were four steps made of gold inlaid with jewels. One row had ornaments shaped like rams' heads, so it was named after them. The next row up was known as the “Lapis-lazuli” row, because it was higher than the wind or dust-clouds. The third row was made entirely of turquoise, and everyone who saw it burned with longing for it. Rural chiefs and lower-ranking officials sat on the "Rams' Heads" row. The cavaliers—men who were unafraid on the day of battle—sat on the "Lapis-lazuli" circle. The turquoise seat was for the minister who was in charge of governing the realm. Whoever sat there had to be wise and loyal.

The Royal Carpet of Gold

A fabric made of cloth of gold was spread out. It was two score and seventeen (57) cubits long. Its fringe was all strung with jewels held by golden threads. A map of heaven was inscribed on it, where Saturn, Mars, the Sun (Sol), Jupiter, and Venus, along with Mercury and the shining Moon (Luna), showed the fortunes of the Shah. The Seven Climes (regions of the world) also appeared on it, as well as the peers (nobles) of Pars (Persia) and Rum (Rome). The seven and forty (47) Shahs, their faces, thrones, and crowns, were shown—those of the kings of kings, all woven from gold. The fabric was one of a kind.

The Carpet's Presentation


A man from Chin (China), who was unmatched in this kind of work, had spent seven years weaving it. One New Year, on the day of Urmuzd in the month of Farwardin, he came before the monarch of Iran. He brought that royal carpet to the Shah, and the nobles let him pass. He laid it down on New Year’s Day. The Shah’s joy was complete. That carpet provided an opportunity for celebration. They called for wine and music.


Academic view


Ernst Herzfeld meticulously examines historical descriptions of the unique and complex throne-like mechanical device associated with the Sasanian King Khosrow II. The core of the analysis revolves around the descriptions of a remarkable celestial-themed object, mentioned in Persian sources like Firdausi's Shahname and Byzantine accounts from chroniclers like Kedrenos: a structure that included a moving celestial sphere displaying the zodiac, planets, and mechanisms to simulate rain and thunder. Herzfeld argues that this object was not a conventional throne but rather a sophisticated astronomical clockwork—an ancient automaton—whose fantastical features, often conflated with a royal seat, are historically verifiable through both Eastern and Western traditions, including later medieval legends , possibly powered by animals. Source
The device referred to as the Taqdis is considered an Astrological Automaton or mechanical clock, despite its frequent misidentification as a throne. This classification is based on compelling evidence derived from its described functional elements and mechanical purpose.

Functional Evidence for a Mechanical Clock


The identification of the Taqdis as a mechanical clock is rooted in specific characteristics documented in historical sources, which align it with the tradition of late antique Greek Gnomonik (the study of time measurement).

Astronomical and Time-Telling Functions


The primary function of the Taqdis was the simulation of celestial movements and the determination of time, confirming its nature as a clock:
  • Display of the Cosmos: The device was designed to display the starry sky. Specifically, it included representations of the 12 signs of the Zodiac and the 7 Planets (from Saturn to the Moon), along with the Sun.
  • Mechanized Movement: It featured a mechanism that set these celestial images in movement. This movement caused the simulated heaven to wander over the earth and allowed the Moon to run through its phases.
  • Chronological Utility: The explicit purpose of this motion was practical timekeeping and astrological prediction: "so that one could read the hours of the day and the night and horoscopes from them."
This combination of movable celestial bodies, zodiac signs, and the capacity to read the hours confirms its classification as an astrological mechanical clock. It is situated in the evolutionary timeline between older examples, like the clock of Ctesibios (c. 270 B.C.), and later ones, such as the clock of Gaza (c. 500 CE) and the clock of Djazari (1206 CE).

Advanced Mechanical Effects


Further confirming its advanced mechanical nature, the device was designed to simulate environmental phenomena:
  • Weather Effects: The structure contained machines that were commissioned to produce drops of water resembling rain and generate noises resembling thunder. These elements demonstrate complex internal mechanisms.
  • Power Source: The Western tradition (the Saxon World Chronicle) even suggested a rationalistic drive mechanism: the work was pulled by hidden horses and other strong animals placed underneath the earth. This emphasis on mechanical drive underscores that it was an engineered apparatus.

Separation from the Throne


While descriptions of the Taqdis often contain elements common to Persian thrones—such as being built on a platform with a canopy, made of gold and jewels, and featuring figures of the King and dignitaries—the purely astrological and mechanical characteristics are elements that cannot be reconciled with the definition of a mere throne. The existence of these non-throne elements—the starry sky, the mobile mechanism, and the calculation functions—forms the "remainder of elements" which demonstrates that the structure was undoubtedly an astronomical mechanical clock. The name Taqdis itself is suggested to hint that the work was only "throne-like" and not a true throne, for which the name would be considered "very inappropriate."

Discussion



Both Western and Persian sources describe a grand, mechanically advanced structure linked to Khosrow II, filled with cosmic and celestial symbolism. The art astrological clock is a brilliant theory. Yet many details remain unclear or questionable.

Some accounts mention that a hidden drive system—horses placed underground to move the structure. This may have been an attempt to explain a technology the writers didn’t understand. Still, the idea of powering a complex tower clock with livestock seems unrealistic.

Some sources mention Khosrow placed the True Cross beside his throne. That’s the only detail given about its connection to the tower or clock. How some pieces of decayed wood were used in such elaborate tower and why a pagan valued such trophies are unanswered questions.

Water was reportedly brought to the top through hidden pipes (occultas fistulas) and channels (meatus aquae). While the astrological clock theory is intriguing, it doesn’t explain the presence of these hidden water conduits.

According to Firdausi, the throne of Khosrow was adorned with 140,000 plaques of gold, each intricately patterned with turquoise. Every nail and clamp securing the structure was made of solid silver, with each piece weighing approximately 66 miskals—that is, about 280 grams. Firdausi further describes a thousand spherical ornaments of gold and silver, glowing like burning logs in a fire. Each of these radiant spheres weighed 500 miskals, or roughly 2.1 kilograms, and appeared coral-colored from the heat. These lavish metal components do not correspond to any known elements of clockwork.

Wikipedia notes that mechanical clocks began appearing in Europe around 1300–1330, though their origins are still debated. link



Hypothesis: The True Cross as an Electrochemical Archetype



This hypothesis proposes a reinterpretation of the "True Cross" relic. It suggests that its profound significance and purported power may not have originated from its status as a physical fragment of the crucifixion, but rather from its association with a lost science concerning electrochemical energy. In this framework, the True Cross is re-envisioned not as a technological object per se, but as a symbolic and practical key to a foundational energy principle—specifically, the generation of electricity through galvanic reaction. The legendary descriptions of the Takht-e Taqdis, the throne of the Sasanian King Khosrow II, provide a potential context for the application of this principle. The structure's reported features—its extensive use of gold and silver, hidden hydraulic conduits, and dynamic effects like motion and simulated thunder—align remarkably well with the core components of electrochemical cells.

The Proposed Electrochemical Model
The theoretical operation of the throne can be deconstructed using the fundamental components of a primary battery, as elucidated by Alessandro Volta centuries later: link

Electrodes (Anode and Cathode): The lavish use of gold and silver throughout the structure is critical. These precious metals, beyond their value, serve as ideal, non-corroding electrodes. The entire edifice, with its silver foundations and golden and silver objects, could have functioned as a massive, interconnected array of anodic and cathodic points.

Electrolyte Circulation System: The "hidden conduits" described in medieval chronicles are re-interpreted not merely as channels for spectacle, but as a circulatory network for an electrolytic solution. This fluid, potentially a weak acid would have been dispersed throughout the structure to facilitate ionic exchange between the metal electrodes.

Power Generation and Scaling: While a single galvanic cell produces minimal voltage, the hypothesis posits that the interconnected nature of the metallic structure—acting as a vast series of coupled cells—could have generated a significant cumulative electrical potential. This harvested energy could then have been channeled to power various effects.

The Electrochemical Explanation for Artificial Thunder: The medieval chroniclers' rationalization that hidden animals powered the thunder of the Takht-e Taqdis is fundamentally implausible, as animal-driven mechanics alone cannot replicate the essential nature of thunder, which is an electrical phenomenon characterized by a simultaneous shockwave (sound) and intense flash of light. In contrast, a speculative electrochemical hypothesis provides a more coherent explanation: The stored electrical energy could be released as an arc discharge. This sudden ionization of air would create a brilliant spark and a concussive acoustic report, perfectly mimicking the natural spectacle of lightning and thunder, thereby enabling King Khosrow's throne to produce the awe-inspiring, god-like phenomenon that mere animal power could never achieve.

Conclusion



The legend of the Takht-e Taqdis sits at the crossroads of history and myth. While scholars generally see it as a magnificent mechanical clock and throne, its spectacular descriptions—of thunder, moving heavens, and hidden power—continue to spark wonder. the electrochemical hypothesis offers a provocative hypothesis. It reinterprets the lavish use of gold and silver, the hidden conduits, and the phenomena of artificial thunder.
For those who believe in the lost technologies of the past, the Takht-e Taqdis can be an interesting subject—urging us to look closer, challenge mainstream history, and search for clues that might connect its legends to real scientific knowledge.




 
I haven't posted on this thread in a long time.

I don't have anything extraordinary to report, but I do have a few ideas.

On a recent trip to Berlin, I stopped for a mint tea at Pandora's, which is a queer bar inside an old church.

It's a big church, too.

Here are some photos:
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As you can see, there is a total confusion of iconography.

The bartender was a tired-looking twunk who may or may not have had a meth problem at some point.

I was served maraschino cherries arranged to look like a crucifix. I don't know if the people who run the bar are queer Christians or if this is some kind of joke.

There was a customer who looked like a standard queer Berlin hipster hanging out near the bar. He had a shaved head, a long black Gestapo-looking leather jacket, a black canvas totebag with a Baphomet logo, and a huge cross around his neck. A coincidence, mockery, or some new form of queer Christianity?

If you've never been to Berlin, it's a wild place. Anything goes in the clubs. That means all the drugs you want and no one bats an eye if you and a few friends start an orgy in the corner during the 72-hour rave.

As I sipped my mint tea and observed, I found myself reflecting on the irony that this building was probably even gayer when it was still in the hands of the Church.

I'd rather be served mint tea by a friendly twunk than told that I am a sinner who must repent in order to avoid burning in Hell.

But that's not why I brought all this up.

The reason I thought about this thread when I was in there is because I had never seen a church stripped of all Christian iconography. Outside of the small mosaic in photo #2, there was no sign at all that this building had ever served a religious purpose. It could have been anything. No statues, no paintings, no altar, no crosses, nothing. Just a brick shell. Suddenly the giant empty volume under the dome seemed like it was intended to house some kind of machine. We're so used to associating this style of building with churches that we cannot even imagine them ever having had any other function. Somehow actually seeing and walking around in this empty church made it much easier for me to imagine that all the churches around the world might have been repurposed at one point. I would go as far as to say that the church felt less "empty" than it did "restored". There was a certain austere coherency to the architecture that gets lost under all the icons and ornaments.

I still have not figured out how to make the two following lines of thought meet.

1. The New Chronology version of Stolen History.

2. The Reset version of Stolen History.

This thread leans more towards (2), but my worldview tends to lean more towards (1).

I feel like we have assembled a huge amount of circumstantial evidence here that these old churches indeed once had some technological function, but there is simply no hard proof of that, which means that we are forced to imagine a huge cut in the historical record somewhere, one which was followed by a centralized worldwide campaign to eradicate all written evidence of the previous technology. Not only that, but this gap has to have been fairly recent, since some of the churches we look at date from as late as the early 20th century, and we can track their construction on fairly recent maps. The only way to make everything work is by assuming that at some point, new churches were simply non-functioning copies of designs that had once "worked". We also have to assume that the people who wrote this function out of history in the 19th century (?) were also able to fabricate an entire coherent written history stretching back centuries.

That's a tall order, one that basically requires supernatural intervention. Which is of course possible.

The New Chronology requires much less of an epistemological suspension of disbelief. If I remember correctly, Fomenko believes that history stops being completely false around 1600. Other chronology revisionists have their own cutoff dates. But they generally occur BEFORE everything was built, and follow a cultural-evolutionary paradigm in which civilization advances from a rudimentary to a developed state with no hard, catastrophic reset. In this version, the pyramids weren't built by an advanced civilization and later repurposed. They were built with boring old concrete. Andrey Pustogarov has an even more thrillingly banal explanation for the "Greek temples" that are built across the Mediterranean from Constantinople to Marseille. He thinks they were...cotton warehouses. Contrast that with Meyl's hypothesis that they were radio stations. There is no middle ground here.

When you walk around a city like Basel, Switzerland you can see "decorative" metal balls which look like antennae all over the old buildings. "Antiquitech!" you exclaim.

Then you check local cadastral maps and registries and see that these buildings were erected after 1850, with no reference to any kind of transmission technology. It's basically impossible to imagine all written references to such a system being destroyed worldwide as recently as 1900. "Decoration!" you exclaim.

Then you think about it and realize that people paid extra money to include these features, even on otherwise modest buildings. Did everyone just have so much more disposable income back then that they could afford more useless ornamentation than even wealthy people today? Doesn't this contradict everything that we learn about basic economic history? As a general rule, people pay for function, not ornament. Not only that, but we still have no explanation for why all these purely ornamental features, which could theoretically take any ostentatious form, include precisely the kinds of shapes, dimensions, and materials we would expect to find in some kind of broadcasting system.

I'm stuck.

I am an American who has lived half of his life in Western Europe. The Hard Reset hypothesis fits the New World a lot better than it fits the Old World. The tangible density of history in places like France and Italy makes it very difficult to imagine a hard cut after 1800 at the latest. Meanwhile, in the United States, you get events like the incredibly suspicious Civil War, of which we only have staged photos with multiple actors playing Lincoln. In fact, it seems like everywhere outside of Western Europe you encounter some similar history-erasing event in the 19th century. Suggesting, very tentatively, that the history-rewriting project began in Western Europe and radiated outwards over time. I own a collection of French magazines from 1834-1838 called Le Magasin Pittoresque which are basically little encyclopedias with beautiful engravings and in-depth descriptions of different subjects, from botany to architecture to chemistry to shipbuilding to ethnography. I have spent hours and hours poring through these volumes looking for some kind of chronological anomaly, but I have yet to find a single one. The version of history/reality that is presented in these magazines is strictly congruent with academic history. Meaning that in Paris at least, there cannot have been anything like a Reset since 1834. (That said, I do get the impression reading these magazines that they were part of the "launch" of a new iteration of civilization with a new knowledge base.)

Le Magasin pittoresque — Wikipédia

But I'm getting off-topic.

Every time I find myself freshly convinced that there was no recent Reset, some anomalous photograph, artifact, or text stops me in my tracks.

Conversely, every time I find myself freshly convinced that there must have been a recent Reset, I come across some piece of evidence that smoothly links the past with the present.

Add to that the fact that I have personally experienced enough (low-level) psychic phenomena to be absolutely certain that there is something like an "aether" through which information can be transmitted. This obviously does not constitute objective proof, but personally, I have no doubt about it. And if such an aether indeed exists, no matter how weak it might be today, this means that the ideas discussed in this thread do not demand we believe in a qualitatively different version of reality/history (one in which we basically accept the existence of "magic") but simply a quantitatively different one (one in which certain "magic" phenomena must be investigated as more subtle forms of science).

Is there an explanation for the phenomena explored in this thread that would be compatible with both "Reset Theory" and the New Chronology?
 
This obviously does not constitute objective proof, but personally, I have no doubt about it.
There is a saying here on this little island.
"Good enough is good enough".
When it comes to psychic phenomona its all there can be.

You will find the answer to your question by embracing and developing your psychic connection. How I cannot answer but its a path worth exploring.
I for one look forwards to your reports from the journey along it.
 
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