"The Earth was divided", and Biblical truth from the time just after Noah.

[Safranek]

I think it would be more suitable to continue this conversation in this thread.

SH Archive - The Sinaia Tablets

There are also more pics available to assess the possible language, though I see more than one script there.

 

[JimDuyer]

most of the images were taken along time ago, quality was not good in Romania and with scaling the quality again goes to hell. the parta neolithic site picture is a good example. communist cameras.
you could go to Bucharest and take better pictures. they are clear when you are looking at them in person.

obviously some images are carved stamps as they appear repeatedly.
which way do you think they are trying to swaying things? no-one has ever noticed the little bits on them.

I noticed the little bits.

But I was referring to the other images available online relating to this and similar object - many dozens of them, and all have the same features - small and difficult to read the writings on them.
My thoughts on Romania remain the same - I would like to see it some day, but my thoughts on the "language" of these plates remains undecided. I see Koine Greek, perhaps, and I see another or several others, perhaps.

And there is nothing wrong with another Rosetta stone - in theory.

I have a problem, and still do, with the mixed themes on the same tablet, and
especially when some are crude and others perfected. I have examined many hundreds (perhaps thousands) of tablets and writings from the time when man first attempted to convey ideas. Almost zero of them have mixed styles of drawing/carving abilities on them.

I'm a linguist and translator of ancient languages. I report the truth that I see, and perhaps it's not the actual truth, or perhaps it is - but it is to the best of my ability.
We both know that in many Eastern European countries there is a tendency to find dates that can help them to understand their ancient history, which in the case of some of those countries, is cloudy to say the least. It's the same in the West as well. But we need to abstain from mixing timelines with each other, and we need to rely on the best evidence we have. That's the starting point in my opinion. As one example, and perhaps not the best one, look at the "history" of the origins and early periods in Hungary.

I actually have no personal belief in either Vampires or Werewolves, or Fairies or any of the other entities put forth - except that they may actually be extraterrestrials misidentified. That's one answer at least, and perhaps not the best nor the most accurate. I do recognize that ancient man tried their best to explain what they saw, using the descriptive terms and technology available to them at that time. I don't go for the extraterrestrial idea out of some reaction from anything some TV show has portrayed - I have actually translated tablets from early Sumeria and Mesopotamia that speak of the topic quite clearly, including which planets which groups originated from, among many other things.

 

[Feck]

there a at least 3 scripts [I think 4] between the 200 plates and at least one Rosetta Stone.
I think if you told me I had to carve a centipede and multiple ark animals stamp for a single use I would move to a different kingdom.

lots of little bits here. see who they are saying it is? martu [see his club above him] and he is Scythian [gryllo.. twist the image to see his ancestors]]

 

[JimDuyer]

there a at least 3 scripts [I think 4] between the 200 plates and at least one Rosetta Stone.
I think if you told me I had to carve a centipede and multiple ark animals stamp for a single use I would move to a different kingdom.

lots of little bits here. see who they are saying it is? martu [see his club above him] and he is Scythian [gryllo.. twist the image to see his ancestors]]

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Well, it's not martu, or at least not the Mesopotamian martu, unless you consider that another name for Amurru. But Amurru carried a staff and not a club.
It may be Amurru, who was the god of the people that the Sumerians called Mar.Tu or martu, which would be the Amorites, of Hebrew fame. (Oh Jerusalem ... your father was an Amorite,
your mother a Hittite, from Exodus).
The Sumerians called the ancestors of the Hebrews Mar.Tu or "the parasites that bring disease".
The Akkadians and Egyptians had similar, denigrating terms for them. They were generally thought of as paid murderers and thieves by their neighbors.
mar [PARASITE] wr. mar "louse; worm; parasite"
tu [ILL] wr. tu, tur5 "illness, disease; (to be) ill"

Scythians? Well, I used to think there were one group of Scythians, but over time, our great historians have used that name to label a great many people from very different ancestry.
Sometimes they called the early Turks Scythians, and sometimes the Iranians, etc.

IF we posit that the earliest Romanians and Eastern Europeans came from a group of Indo-European speaking ancestors, we might have the original occupants of Turkey to
add to the mix. I believe there were three or perhaps four main waves of groups that contributed not only to Eastern but all Europeans, if we go back far enough in time.
One of those groups is a so-far unidentified group from the Arctic region. I believe that they may have been the hyperboreans and thus the closest match to Atlanteans. If you search the
DNA, you will see that they landed on the northern coasts of a great many countries, from Iceland down to Latvia, and points in-between, and then traveled East and South.
That might be the closest connection to the idea of an Atlantis in Romania.

 

[Feck]

Well, it's not martu, or at least not the Mesopotamian martu, unless you consider that another name for Amurru. But Amurru carried a staff and not a club.
It may be Amurru, who was the god of the people that the Sumerians called Mar.Tu or martu, which would be the Amorites, of Hebrew fame. (Oh Jerusalem ... your father was an Amorite,
your mother a Hittite, from Exodus).
The Sumerians called the ancestors of the Hebrews Mar.Tu or "the parasites that bring disease".
The Akkadians and Egyptians had similar, denigrating terms for them. They were generally thought of as paid murderers and thieves by their neighbors.
mar [PARASITE] wr. mar "louse; worm; parasite"
tu [ILL] wr. tu, tur5 "illness, disease; (to be) ill"

Scythians? Well, I used to think there were one group of Scythians, but over time, our great historians have used that name to label a great many people from very different ancestry.
Sometimes they called the early Turks Scythians, and sometimes the Iranians, etc.

IF we posit that the earliest Romanians and Eastern Europeans came from a group of Indo-European speaking ancestors, we might have the original occupants of Turkey to
add to the mix. I believe there were three or perhaps four main waves of groups that contributed not only to Eastern but all Europeans, if we go back far enough in time.
One of those groups is a so-far unidentified group from the Arctic region. I believe that they may have been the hyperboreans and thus the closest match to Atlanteans. If you search the
DNA, you will see that they landed on the northern coasts of a great many countries, from Iceland down to Latvia, and points in-between, and then traveled East and South.
That might be the closest connection to the idea of an Atlantis in Romania.

martu /amurru picture from Helsinki university
mentions of him and the people martu in texts [son of AN]

I guess I would posit that western Romania [banat] would be the Indo-European homeland [map]. home of Yima. resources resources resources.
long growing season and magical sooty loess soil

ps. r1b male Haplogroup was in Central Europe in the mesolithic. iron gates gorge after the flood.

I think it would be more suitable to continue this conversation in this thread.

SH Archive - The Sinaia Tablets

There are also more pics available to assess the possible language, though I see more than one script there.

just saw this. done.

 

[lancsDavid]

Well, it's not martu, or at least not the Mesopotamian martu, unless you consider that another name for Amurru. But Amurru carried a staff and not a club.
It may be Amurru, who was the god of the people that the Sumerians called Mar.Tu or martu, which would be the Amorites, of Hebrew fame. (Oh Jerusalem ... your father was an Amorite,
your mother a Hittite, from Exodus).
The Sumerians called the ancestors of the Hebrews Mar.Tu or "the parasites that bring disease".
The Akkadians and Egyptians had similar, denigrating terms for them. They were generally thought of as paid murderers and thieves by their neighbors.
mar [PARASITE] wr. mar "louse; worm; parasite"
tu [ILL] wr. tu, tur5 "illness, disease; (to be) ill"

Scythians? Well, I used to think there were one group of Scythians, but over time, our great historians have used that name to label a great many people from very different ancestry.
Sometimes they called the early Turks Scythians, and sometimes the Iranians, etc.

IF we posit that the earliest Romanians and Eastern Europeans came from a group of Indo-European speaking ancestors, we might have the original occupants of Turkey to
add to the mix. I believe there were three or perhaps four main waves of groups that contributed not only to Eastern but all Europeans, if we go back far enough in time.
One of those groups is a so-far unidentified group from the Arctic region. I believe that they may have been the hyperboreans and thus the closest match to Atlanteans. If you search the
DNA, you will see that they landed on the northern coasts of a great many countries, from Iceland down to Latvia, and points in-between, and then traveled East and South.
That might be the closest connection to the idea of an Atlantis in Romania.

"we the skythians" is book you might want to look into.... is amazing.... is by author david alan-ritchie & follows "british israel" theme.... britain = original holy land, edinburgh = original jerusalem, irish built pyramids, scythia = isle of skye, etc etc..... much agreement with comyns beaumont.... who reached similar conclusions in 1920s by different methods... linguistics & geography for beaumont.... geometry & numbers (mainly of giza pyramid) for ritchie... beaumont - who claims all biblical & greek history comes originally from britain & ireland - also insists pillars of hercules are isle of staffa & giants causeway, both formed of basalt pillars....

 

[Feck]

"we the skythians" is book you might want to look into.... is amazing.... is by author david alan-ritchie & follows "british israel" theme.... britain = original holy land, edinburgh = original jerusalem, irish built pyramids, scythia = isle of skye, etc etc..... much agreement with comyns beaumont.... who reached similar conclusions in 1920s by different methods... linguistics & geography for beaumont.... geometry & numbers (mainly of giza pyramid) for ritchie... beaumont - who claims all biblical & greek history comes originally from britain & ireland - also insists pillars of hercules are isle of staffa & giants causeway, both formed of basalt pillars....

genetically the neolithic male monument makers on orkney etc are exactly the same as those men inhabiting the Danube gorge during the mesolithic. there are no middle eastern men in neolithic england. only women.
the model for the "mysterious" British neolithic landscape including the cursus [like Dorset cursus], hills and henges etc etc can be found in the middle Danube basin [banat plain]. middle Danube basin is Scythia. its where the wealth always was.

imho early brits did migrate directly from "paradise" when there was a catastrophe. eventually their former slaves tracked them down and rid england of them genetically.

peace

 

[JimDuyer]

"we the skythians" is book you might want to look into.... is amazing.... is by author david alan-ritchie & follows "british israel" theme.... britain = original holy land, edinburgh = original jerusalem, irish built pyramids, scythia = isle of skye, etc etc..... much agreement with comyns beaumont.... who reached similar conclusions in 1920s by different methods... linguistics & geography for beaumont.... geometry & numbers (mainly of giza pyramid) for ritchie... beaumont - who claims all biblical & greek history comes originally from britain & ireland - also insists pillars of hercules are isle of staffa & giants causeway, both formed of basalt pillars....

There was a group (large) in Germany in the late 1880s that many called the Pan-Babylonian movement. They posited that the Bible was mainly edited and slightly rewritten texts from Sumeria. Plagiarised in other words.

That would put a dent in the Christian need to have an Old Testament, (they think it proves Jesus or is needed to prove Jesus, both of which are incorrect in my opinion).

So, ipso presto, they shifted the Hebrews away and suddenly the British or Anglo-Saxons in general became the new "promised ones" and supplanted the Hebrews as the inheritors of the Kingdom.
Takes care of that mess, right? Even if it is a lie.
These two above are part of that idea. There were others who joined in.

I don't blame anyone for trying to defend what they believe, but when they print it as gospel and try to pass on on to our generations, that's not so good.
Did the Hebrews copy the Sumerian texts? Absolutely. But the Jews are being less than honest when they too fail to admit this. But they had just captured Sumeria, and brought it to its knees as a civilization, so perhaps they felt that they now "owned" the tablets, so they "owned" the stories. And truthfully, as Abraham was Hurrian on his mother's side, and the Hurrians were neighbors of the Sumerians when both lived in Anatolia, they do share some of the same
stories.
As sheep and cattle herders and nomads who stole and murdered for hire, they had little memory of their own history, so they borrowed some from here, some from there, and created one. It IS called the Hebrew Bible after all. So what my question is, why do we even follow it?

Jesus never, ever, said, "do this because it is written in the OT and it is correct". Never.
He always said, to the Hebrews themselves, "isn't this written in your books?" He was taunting them and reminding them that it was ok for him to use these examples because they had written it in their own Tanakh. He never agreed with any of it - although some, since it was not Hebrew to begin with, he may have found worth remembering.
Until we can get over this need to put ourselves in the shoes of nomadic, nearly illiterate robbers and mercenaries who swarmed other peoples lands in the name of their Book, we will be crippled and not pay the attention to the New Testament that it deserves.
Thomas Jefferson had no trouble making his own Bible, without any OT at all, and with nothing from Paul/Saul, so yes, we can do it.

 

[Lee_Magee]

The people who wrote the Bible, did not know what an "Earth" was, science and geography very primitive in those day.

earth (n.)
Old English eorþe "ground, soil, dirt, dry land; country, district.
The earth considered as a planet was so called from c. 1400.

 

[JimDuyer]

The people who wrote the Bible, did not know what an "Earth" was, science and geography very primitive in those day.

Some of them did - the ones that encoded the circumference of the Earth and Moon in the Biblical text - probably the group relating to Abraham's family of Hurrians, since they also make disparaging remarks about Aaron and Moses in the text.

 

[lancsDavid]

There was a group (large) in Germany in the late 1880s that many called the Pan-Babylonian movement. They posited that the Bible was mainly edited and slightly rewritten texts from Sumeria. Plagiarised in other words.

That would put a dent in the Christian need to have an Old Testament, (they think it proves Jesus or is needed to prove Jesus, both of which are incorrect in my opinion).

So, ipso presto, they shifted the Hebrews away and suddenly the British or Anglo-Saxons in general became the new "promised ones" and supplanted the Hebrews as the inheritors of the Kingdom.
Takes care of that mess, right? Even if it is a lie.
These two above are part of that idea. There were others who joined in.

I don't blame anyone for trying to defend what they believe, but when they print it as gospel and try to pass on on to our generations, that's not so good.
Did the Hebrews copy the Sumerian texts? Absolutely. But the Jews are being less than honest when they too fail to admit this. But they had just captured Sumeria, and brought it to its knees as a civilization, so perhaps they felt that they now "owned" the tablets, so they "owned" the stories. And truthfully, as Abraham was Hurrian on his mother's side, and the Hurrians were neighbors of the Sumerians when both lived in Anatolia, they do share some of the same
stories.
As sheep and cattle herders and nomads who stole and murdered for hire, they had little memory of their own history, so they borrowed some from here, some from there, and created one. It IS called the Hebrew Bible after all. So what my question is, why do we even follow it?

Jesus never, ever, said, "do this because it is written in the OT and it is correct". Never.
He always said, to the Hebrews themselves, "isn't this written in your books?" He was taunting them and reminding them that it was ok for him to use these examples because they had written it in their own Tanakh. He never agreed with any of it - although some, since it was not Hebrew to begin with, he may have found worth remembering.
Until we can get over this need to put ourselves in the shoes of nomadic, nearly illiterate robbers and mercenaries who swarmed other peoples lands in the name of their Book, we will be crippled and not pay the attention to the New Testament that it deserves.
Thomas Jefferson had no trouble making his own Bible, without any OT at all, and with nothing from Paul/Saul, so yes, we can do it.

yes... british israel seems wacky.... but having studied it i can say it's v compelling.... firstly comyns beaumont is an excellent researcher.... reading any of his books shows this.... such as "britain - the key to world history".... but if beaumont is compelling david alan-ritchie goes off deep end of compellingness... reaching similar conclusions from a totally different approach to research.... but all authors in this category are compelling... conor macdari alludes to a 100s / 1000s year old war between original christianity (originating in & based in ireland) & roman state mind control version... or (((roman state))) version.... which rome eventually won... & they've been concocting lies ever since to paper over the cracks.... L A Waddell, i believe (not yet read his works), claims britain is original sumeria..... & thomas stratton(??) wrote a book called "the affinity between the hebrew language & the celtic".... basically there's lots of ppl studying this in different ways, all compelling, who's conclusions all support a similar underlying story..

as for jesus being a real person, george careys "god man: the word made flesh" makes far more sense... jesus not as man but as fish(man).... "fishman seed".... something inside us all, released into either blood or nervous system once a (lunar) month.... & if we live properly over the next few days (or weeks) this seed works its way to top of spine, gets crucified at 33rd vertebrae (supposedly means "raised in power a thousand fold"), activates pineal gland & produces human 2.0.... or something of that description... so carpenter jesus dies to save us from sins we're still being punished for??? or jesus seed literally destroyed during its attempt to redeem us because of acidic body conditions or us having sex in that period?

my guess is britain/ireland projected a worldwide culture that still taught this original knowledge of what we are & how to upgrade ourselves.... perhaps christianity is the science of chrism raising?? the science of kundalini raising?? but that as kali / iron age progressed ppl became less & less receptive.... up until now where things seem to be turning around... what happened before this i don't know, but there are lots of theories & many of them include giants... either way ireland seems to've been central.... there's a video on youtube called "The Last Druid - Documentary on Ben McBrady of The Old Gaelic Order", in which the druid guy speaks of a lost age of telepathy & meteors coming from the sky & other crazy stuff.... presumably all this will make sense when true picture is known...

if british israel is new to you maybe check out this guy's page on facebook.... Edinburgh, Scotland The Real Holy City of Jerusalem.

 

[JimDuyer]

yes... british israel seems wacky.... but having studied it i can say it's v compelling.... firstly comyns beaumont is an excellent researcher.... reading any of his books shows this.... such as "britain - the key to world history".... but if beaumont is compelling david alan-ritchie goes off deep end of compellingness... reaching similar conclusions from a totally different approach to research.... but all authors in this category are compelling... conor macdari alludes to a 100s / 1000s year old war between original christianity (originating in & based in ireland) & roman state mind control version... or (((roman state))) version.... which rome eventually won... & they've been concocting lies ever since to paper over the cracks.... L A Waddell, i believe (not yet read his works), claims britain is original sumeria..... & thomas stratton(??) wrote a book called "the affinity between the hebrew language & the celtic".... basically there's lots of ppl studying this in different ways, all compelling, who's conclusions all support a similar underlying story..

as for jesus being a real person, george careys "god man: the word made flesh" makes far more sense... jesus not as man but as fish(man).... "fishman seed".... something inside us all, released into either blood or nervous system once a (lunar) month.... & if we live properly over the next few days (or weeks) this seed works its way to top of spine, gets crucified at 33rd vertebrae (supposedly means "raised in power a thousand fold"), activates pineal gland & produces human 2.0.... or something of that description... so carpenter jesus dies to save us from sins we're still being punished for??? or jesus seed literally destroyed during its attempt to redeem us because of acidic body conditions or us having sex in that period?

my guess is britain/ireland projected a worldwide culture that still taught this original knowledge of what we are & how to upgrade ourselves.... perhaps christianity is the science of chrism raising?? the science of kundalini raising?? but that as kali / iron age progressed ppl became less & less receptive.... up until now where things seem to be turning around... what happened before this i don't know, but there are lots of theories & many of them include giants... either way ireland seems to've been central.... there's a video on youtube called "The Last Druid - Documentary on Ben McBrady of The Old Gaelic Order", in which the druid guy speaks of a lost age of telepathy & meteors coming from the sky & other crazy stuff.... presumably all this will make sense when true picture is known...

if british israel is new to you maybe check out this guy's page on facebook.... Edinburgh, Scotland The Real Holy City of Jerusalem.

[[conor macdari alludes to a 100s / 1000s year old war between original christianity (originating in & based in ireland) & roman state mind control version... or (((roman state))) version.... which rome eventually won... & they've been concocting lies ever since to paper over the cracks....]]
I published (on academia.org) a paper in evidence that the original Christianity, or as I call it the Celtic Christianity was in a war with the Papal crowd in Rome. In another paper I proved that they hated the Popes and were in secret communication between Britain and the mainland Europe on what to do about him.

In yet another publication I proved that the Pope first sent emissaries to check out the church in England, and then provided maps of their location to the Vikings and encouraged them to loot them - thus the Lindisfarne Island massacre of the monks.

There is some scant evidence that Joseph of Arimaea (spelling) visited Cornwall just after the Crucifiction.
However.
Britain is not the original Sumeria. I have maps of it, and it was in modern Turkey, in the north near the Black Sea. The biblical texts confirm this as well - in fact I was astounded yesterday when I translated a passage from Isaiah, of all people, that complains of one of their tribes taking the moon god and relocating to Ur in Sumeria - which is exactly what Genesis tells us - Harran is where they took it from, original home of Abraham's father and people, and Ur is where they took it, and we have evidence that Abraham was a scribe in Ur. And we know that, as an Amorite, and a priest, Terah (his father) worshiped both the Sumerian gods and the moon god of the Amorites. That family was quite wealthy by the way.

My roots are a mix of southern Scots and Anglo-Saxons who lived on the border near the northern wall. Some of this group later moved southwest into Wales and became their early kings. I have translated a prose text that explains that Ing and his followers migrated from Angles into that area and were mercenaries for the Romans.

Most archaeologists, and I agree with this, believe that it is much more likely that Jesus was a brick mason and not a carpenter. Not much wood in Judah or thereabouts.

And yes, Rome won, and yes, they have been concocting lies since the beginning. That's why they can not afford to drop the Old Testament - it's the only text that supports genocide, slavery, hatred of women and gays, and the belief that you can commit any wrong and be pardoned at the last minute. Sweet.

But if you are Christian, if you believe in Jesus, read his words. The word used for "neighbors" is an intentional mistranslation by modern scholars. It doesn't say neighbor, it says "fellow humans". Love your fellow humans as you would love yourself. Pretty hard to kill all those native Americans and anyone who doesn't agree with you if you read it the way it was intended.
It's thus OK to hate gays or people who do not speak your language, or different colored people and even enslave them - if they are not your "neighbors" and don't live in the same neighborhood that you do.

Organized religions of today serve up what the people wish to hear, to affirm their cruelty and their lack of care about anyone that is not the same as them, does not attend their particular church or does not follow the rules that they have made up as they go along.
So, it's very popular among many, and will continue to be, even if they are shown the
evidence to the contrary. They cease to be children of Christ and are seen as the cruel and heartless bunch that they are when placed under the microscope of the New Testament and
the words of Christ.

 

[lancsDavid]

Britain is not the original Sumeria. I have maps of it, and it was in modern Turkey, in the north near the Black Sea. The biblical texts confirm this as well - in fact I was astounded yesterday when I translated a passage from Isaiah, of all people, that complains of one of their tribes taking the moon god and relocating to Ur in Sumeria - which is exactly what Genesis tells us - Harran is where they took it from, original home of Abraham's father and people, and Ur is where they took it, and we have evidence that Abraham was a scribe in Ur. And we know that, as an Amorite, and a priest, Terah (his father) worshiped both the Sumerian gods and the moon god of the Amorites. That family was quite wealthy by the way.

comyns beaumont paints a picture of a history of cataclysms with changing sea levels & lots of migrations... waves of migrations.... where migrating ppls often used original names from ireland / britain for names of new colonies... as in York & New York... which - if true - could lead to many interpretative errors if not factored in properly.... perhaps aryans from britain & ireland migrated east because of one or more catastrophes & named Ur after the original one in ireland?? presumably this is what Anna Wilkes is saying in her book "Ireland, Ur of the Chaldees".... & L A Waddell definitely claims Sumer is Britain / Ireland... unfortunately i've yet to read either of these authors....

 

[JimDuyer]

comyns beaumont paints a picture of a history of cataclysms with changing sea levels & lots of migrations... waves of migrations.... where migrating ppls often used original names from ireland / britain for names of new colonies... as in York & New York... which - if true - could lead to many interpretative errors if not factored in properly.... perhaps aryans from britain & ireland migrated east because of one or more catastrophes & named Ur after the original one in ireland?? presumably this is what Anna Wilkes is saying in her book "Ireland, Ur of the Chaldees".... & L A Waddell definitely claims Sumer is Britain / Ireland... unfortunately i've yet to read either of these authors....

I waited a day to reply because I was angry, and I get too rough when I am, and I do not wish to attack anyone or any suggestion - all are either valid, could be potentially valid, or can lead to helping us with our research by closing down invalid rabbit holes. All good.
Look up L.A. Waddell. He is one of many who "translated" many ancient languages. None of them successfully I am afraid.

His "translations" came from his work on a tablet from Susa, an Iranian (Elamite) city, and dating from the early 2nd millennium - in other words, not from Iraq, not written in Sumerian after all, and written about 1000 years after the Sumerian civilization was over. That's why he received no academic interest - he was just wrong. He may have known something about Burma and Tibet, but even that is doubtful.

Beaumont wrote for the Daily Mail.
In a series of books published between 1946 and 1949, British journalist William Comyns Beaumont astonished the world with the following extraordinary revelations: Jesus of Nazareth had been crucified just outside Edinburgh, Scotland — the site of the ancient city of Jerusalem. Satan was a comet that collided with the earth and caused Noah's Flood. The ancient Egyptians were in fact Irishmen. Hell is to be found in western Scotland. The Greek hero Achilles spent his childhood on the Isle of Skye. Galilee, birthplace of Jesus, was Wales. Ancient Athens was in reality Bath, England ... Comyns Beaumont started his radical revision of history with the belief, innocuous enough, that the lost island of Atlantis might be Britain.

Just read the above paragraph once or twice, roll it around using common sense, and see if any of it seems to be at all likely. Jesus crucified in Scotland? Satan was a flood-causing comet - well, that might be partially true since a comet might have caused the flood that covered Doggerland for good and changed the waterfront in the Persian Gulf and made the Black Sea into a sea from a lake.
Hell is not found in western Scotland, its part of New York City.
Irish Egyptians or Egyptian Irishmen?
Jesus born in Wales.

This is the stuff of childrens ten cent novels of his day, not serious research nor fit to publish outside of an elementary school library.

Both of these, and many more, are examples of wishful thinking. Those ignorant of history, who hoped that some claim to fame could be attributed to their ancestors, who were, in the main, barefoot peasants, courtesy of the near slavery conditions imposed upon them by the invading French Viking Normans who brought the Pope with them.

Both Beaumont, who could not stand the idea of a "brown" Jesus, and Waddell, who believed firmly that the Aryan race had invented all alphabets, are, wouldn't you agree, the fathers of "Racist" ideas at the core?

Insist on giving Arthur his due respect, no matter what the government tells you. Insist that his deeds be acclaimed. Publish the great works and deeds of hundreds of true, honest and intelligent Britains who fought to preserve Celtic Christianity against the influx of Rome, and of the many native heroes who defended the lands against invaders, including Queen Bodica, who defended Britain against the Roman invaders, and the Angles from the lands to the north of Denmark who came over to fight the Picts at the request of Rome but ended up staying to become some of the early rulers of Wales, and who gave Britain so much in those early days.

There are true heroes to be found. We just need the courage to refuse to fall for some fake heritage by claiming the deeds in the Levant as our own. We had our own greatness, and still do.

 

[lancsDavid]

"Both of these, and m

Both of these, and many more, are examples of wishful thinking

perhaps.... but who's wishful thinking? i've read these books (except where otherwise indicated) & you haven't.... yet you're giving me zero credit for having done so..... you're not even asking for details..... instead you're serving me opinions grabbed from others who probably haven't read them either.... & valuing both their & your uninformed opinions over mine.... which is fine, i don't mind... but isn't really v sensible if your goal is to arrive at truth.... nor is taking anything jewpedia say at face value.... bet the article didn't mention how b'nai brith removed all copies of beaumonts books from second hand bookshops??

as for waiting till your anger has died down..... no need to do this on my account.... i'll take honest anger over dishonesty any day...

 

[JimDuyer]

"Both of these, and m


perhaps.... but who's wishful thinking? i've read these books (except where otherwise indicated) & you haven't.... yet you're giving me zero credit for having done so..... you're not even asking for details..... instead you're serving me opinions grabbed from others who probably haven't read them either.... & valuing both their & your uninformed opinions over mine.... which is fine, i don't mind... but isn't really v sensible if your goal is to arrive at truth.... nor is taking anything jewpedia say at face value.... bet the article didn't mention how b'nai brith removed all copies of beaumonts books from second hand bookshops??

as for waiting till your anger has died down..... no need to do this on my account.... i'll take honest anger over dishonesty any day...

Fair enough, I will read his works and get back to you. Although the b'nai brith part is bizarre - not saying it isn't true, just seems to be overkill for used books.

I now have The Great Deception and Britain the Key to World History. Would those give me a fair indication of his works or are there others better suited for that?

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Just skimming through "Britain, the Key to World History", and I found this jewel right away, and it's sort of the general theme of this author. He takes a fact, tries to claim, for example that Natives of Greece were not the true natives of the islands known as the Greek Islands, and then fails to show who he wishes to put in their place. He seems to want to say that the name Pelasgians should be used for Greeks from early Britain, but I see no evidence in support of this.

The name "Pelasgians" refers either to the predecessors of the Greeks or to all the inhabitants of Greece before the emergence of the Greeks as a civilization. In other words, the indigenous inhabitants of the Aegean Sea region, including their cultures. The ancient, primitive people of what we now call the Greek world.

The name refers to the natives of the Greek lands IN the Aegean Sea area. So if we wished to say that the Greeks did not inhabit those islands, but moved there much later, we still would need to name those earlier people. And we would still need to place the Greeks themselves in some location, and if this author wishes to make that location in Great Britain, he would need to show the entire culture evolving from the earliest examples down to modern times. He doesn't do that (at least not in this book) but instead he offers this "logic":

Page 50 - "The fact that it (Aegean Sea Greeks) can reveal no civilizsation before the Neolithic Age seems to show conclusively that it should be dismissed from our minds as having had any part or parcel in the claims made for it."

Well, there are many cultures that "can reveal no civilization before the Neolithic Age," since that period began about 12,000 years ago. The Greeks, in their defense, nor anyone who publishes works about the history of the Greeks, never claimed to have them begin forming into villages or even extended tribes, prior to about 2900 BC. Obviously the Greeks speak of history earlier than their own, but they are quick to attribute it to others - the Egyptians for example, and not to themselves.

He's also being a bit sly by using the term "no civilization" since the word is defined to include a written language. So he's saying the Greeks had no written language prior to 10,000 BC. Wow, what brilliant insight. Duh, nobody ever claimed that they did. By using this non-argument to make his point, he shows that his juggling act is on very flimsy ground indeed.

How about if I try one? The Hebrews were not a people until Abraham (1990 BC), and they had "no civilization" prior to 10,000, (no alphabet) and so the Bible "should be dismissed from our minds as having had any part or parcel in the claims made for it" due to that reason alone. See how silly it sounds when you try it out? Following that logic, Britain could not be the place setting for the biblical tales either, since we have no "written language" from prior to 10,000 BC from that area either.

Respectfully, I will not be wasting any more of my time on this, and I will stand with my original conclusion.

 

[lancsDavid]

Respectfully, I will not be wasting any more of my time on this, and I will stand with my original conclusion.

ok... but allow me not to give up just yet.... unlike others on this forum you don't seem inclined to use the threads to discuss irrelevant off-topic things.... you're also open-minded..... but regarding subject of study, one cannot overlook that while fake viruses, fake globe & fake most things have already been rumbled this conspiracy has not.... fake jerusalem / fake religion (or wtvr it is) is a toughie.... open-minded & focus are presumably required....

one problem you are exhibiting is with your looking.... you looked into beaumont - briefly - desiring primarily to refute him.... & surprise, surprise.... you found what you were looking for... reason to look no further..... what you didn't find - but which is also there & will be seen if you take looking process seriously - are anomalys that make you think "eh??"..... discover enough of these & alternative picture forms.... & probably not otherwise.... but boy is it worth looking.... much mindbending stuff is contained..... haven't even mentioned Andrew Powers' "Ireland, Land of the Pharoahs" yet..... which is very much of this subject (& mindbending nature).... his exposure of 1690 Battle of Boyne suggests (a) it was pretend battle & (b) it served as some kind of odd ritual marking transfer of power between 2 unknown & shadowy groups.... almost like house dynasty handover in Dune films.... bizarre rating A+....

personally i didn't investigate beaumont with anything but curiosity.... signing up to simply hear him out on account of general bizarreness of proposition.... allowing me to accumulate enough anomalous data so that later, on reading david alan-ritchie's "We the Skythians" (mindbending), i could see him approach same subject from different place & via different route (different research methods) but end up at same bizarre location.... singing same bizarre song..... after that reading macdari & others have just confirmed & fleshed out this strange alternative picture.... as wilkes, waddell & others presumably also do...

if you can go no further with research up to you.... but i leave you some good links in case curiosity gets better of you.... firstly, if you find yourself with 3 hours spare, sit down & treat yourself to "atlantis ireland" documentary by keystone university.... this is another source singing from same hymn sheet...... goes into lots of stuff including richat structure, which he claims was trading city of atlantis empire, which had its spiritual home in ireland... in this area i'm quite weak myself..... have feeling that waddells phoenician stuff might fill some blanks.... ancient irish mythology talks of battles between supernatural(ish) beings tuatha de danaan & fomorians, starting almost immediately after flood which wiped entire pre-flood irish out..... who were fomorians & tuatha? did they have some relationship to phoenicians & richat? was atlantis wtvr existed before flood in irish-british location? obvs this subject also has much to say about religion.... & a great associated read on this subject is John Lashs "Not in His Image".... which talks about suppression of old gnostics.... who may've been related to ancient irish & british..... but is mainly just a very good (& mindbending) book.... all religious ppl should read it..... as they should George Careys "GodMan: word made flesh" & "Zodiac & Salts of Salvation"..... careys books in particular free one from chasing after literal jesus figure..... allegorical jesus fish far more interesting.... if gnostics thought literal jesus to be blasphemous concept, as has been claimed, is easy to see why..... jesus out there vs jesus inside??? could well be central to this whole thing.....

anyway that'll do..... best of luck with future research wherever it leads.....

 

[JimDuyer]

ok... but allow me not to give up just yet.... unlike others on this forum you don't seem inclined to use the threads to discuss irrelevant off-topic things.... you're also open-minded..... but regarding subject of study, one cannot overlook that while fake viruses, fake globe & fake most things have already been rumbled this conspiracy has not.... fake jerusalem / fake religion (or wtvr it is) is a toughie.... open-minded & focus are presumably required....

one problem you are exhibiting is with your looking.... you looked into beaumont - briefly - desiring primarily to refute him.... & surprise, surprise.... you found what you were looking for... reason to look no further..... what you didn't find - but which is also there & will be seen if you take looking process seriously - are anomalys that make you think "eh??"..... discover enough of these & alternative picture forms.... & probably not otherwise.... but boy is it worth looking.... much mindbending stuff is contained..... haven't even mentioned Andrew Powers' "Ireland, Land of the Pharoahs" yet..... which is very much of this subject (& mindbending nature).... his exposure of 1690 Battle of Boyne suggests (a) it was pretend battle & (b) it served as some kind of odd ritual marking transfer of power between 2 unknown & shadowy groups.... almost like house dynasty handover in Dune films.... bizarre rating A+....

personally i didn't investigate beaumont with anything but curiosity.... signing up to simply hear him out on account of general bizarreness of proposition.... allowing me to accumulate enough anomalous data so that later, on reading david alan-ritchie's "We the Skythians" (mindbending), i could see him approach same subject from different place & via different route (different research methods) but end up at same bizarre location.... singing same bizarre song..... after that reading macdari & others have just confirmed & fleshed out this strange alternative picture.... as wilkes, waddell & others presumably also do...

if you can go no further with research up to you.... but i leave you some good links in case curiosity gets better of you.... firstly, if you find yourself with 3 hours spare, sit down & treat yourself to "atlantis ireland" documentary by keystone university.... this is another source singing from same hymn sheet...... goes into lots of stuff including richat structure, which he claims was trading city of atlantis empire, which had its spiritual home in ireland... in this area i'm quite weak myself..... have feeling that waddells phoenician stuff might fill some blanks.... ancient irish mythology talks of battles between supernatural(ish) beings tuatha de danaan & fomorians, starting almost immediately after flood which wiped entire pre-flood irish out..... who were fomorians & tuatha? did they have some relationship to phoenicians & richat? was atlantis wtvr existed before flood in irish-british location? obvs this subject also has much to say about religion.... & a great associated read on this subject is John Lashs "Not in His Image".... which talks about suppression of old gnostics.... who may've been related to ancient irish & british..... but is mainly just a very good (& mindbending) book.... all religious ppl should read it..... as they should George Careys "GodMan: word made flesh" & "Zodiac & Salts of Salvation"..... careys books in particular free one from chasing after literal jesus figure..... allegorical jesus fish far more interesting.... if gnostics thought literal jesus to be blasphemous concept, as has been claimed, is easy to see why..... jesus out there vs jesus inside??? could well be central to this whole thing.....

anyway that'll do..... best of luck with future research wherever it leads.....

In my opinion, the fact that you recognize that the history imposed on us by the PTB is not correct, and that we have been sold a load of crap, is a positive approach towards truth.
My point, and I should have made it sooner, and clearer, is this. These people have unlimited funds because they use our contributions and taxes etc. to fund their agenda. They hire people to cloud the waters. Sitchin was one such. They give them instant status, money, plus they can guarantee that their ideas are put in front of many eyes, since they control the media and they
can make whatever they write into a best-seller by going soft on the criticism.
To do that they need the cooperation of very willing scholars to lay off.
I don't. I am neither willing nor will I cooperate.

I propose that we take one factoid from history. Start with one.
Each of us on here picks it to death. We share everything. Here.
Then we present possible conclusions and discuss those as well.
The only way to open the doors of knowledge is by kicking them down - keys
and knocking will not work any longer.

We did just that, from time to time, on the old forum. When someone would post
an image that they found troublesome, and others would add their observations.
It worked, it was interesting and helpful, and it can be a good tool once more.

But we must recognize that there are two problems. The Quislings who shill out
garbage, knowingly, for money and fame, and the general population who pick it
up and then begin some sort of worshipful dance around it - adopting these
ideas as their own - almost like the torch bearers at a Witch trial.
Lazy thinking is what I term it - adopting notions without inspection because it
is much easier than doing the hard research that is required. That should stop.

We need less worshipful masters and more hard-working people with common sense.
Just my opinion.

I'm going back to work on my books and will be a bit less active here for about a month. I'm getting that close and I need to nail it all down and get it out. But I will snoop in from time
to time.

 

[RelutantPuppet]

This more or less checks out.

The 6th week under which all the living were blinded and a great many fell under the yoke of the sovereign house. This was the period from 8070 BC thru to 5550 BC - although the process of Enclosure began around 13110 BC.


The most recent Water Flood Initiated near the end of the 2nd week circa 15500 BC according to enoch. This is substantiated by archaeological records concerning the meltwater pulses. Around the time the rise in sea levels slowed is when we see the rise of recorded history.

 

[Jd755]

This more or less checks out.

The 6th week under which all the living were blinded and a great many fell under the yoke of the sovereign house. This was the period from 8070 BC thru to 5550 BC - although the process of Enclosure began around 13110 BC.


The most recent Water Flood Initiated near the end of the 2nd week circa 15500 BC according to enoch. This is substantiated by archaeological records concerning the meltwater pulses. Around the time the rise in sea levels slowed is when we see the rise of recorded history.

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Couple of questions.
What sort of device was in use 24,000 years ago that measured glacial melt?
Who was doing the measuring and why?