Your errors, @dejavu, & @Son of a Bor is that you're mixing your personal sensibilities together with a "what should have happened" take on history and ignoring what the evidence shows. It doesn't matter what either of you think, whining that "oh, X thing is bad so blablabla." It's a pointless deconstruction because it doesn't matter how you look at it, what happened, happened (or show evidence to prove otherwise). How do you propose your complaints are constructive? Do you dislike the outcome and want to change the remembrance of the history? I suppose you could do it like many have done before, and just lie or rewrite it.
Yes, all men are created equal, and the Founders did what they did. That is the history. If they sinned, then God has judged them. Why complain? And I wasn't aware this post was about "white supremacy" - but what is "white supremacy" other than non-whites complaining against whites in a white-majority nation. What about the Europeans living in South Africa, are they "white supremacists" too? What if the Europeans in South Africa accuse the blacks of black supremacy?
God ordained all nations for their own peoples, the ancient Israelites are the prime example. Today, when the nations and borders have already been ordained and kept for many many years, destroying them is, as I see it, wrong. Yes, that means what happened to all displaced peoples was wrong but that happened in places and time different from our own. I have a lot of sympathy for the "Native Americans," they had it rough. But again, recognizing that a people in a time that nobody alive today experienced got screwed, is different from holding a grudge over it.
As to the Christianity, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the New Covenant. For the True Christian, becoming like Christ is the highest goal. However, it's an impossible goal. The standard for which God requires is so far above all men that we can never reach it - ever. This is what Christ was for. He is the final sacrifice. "All things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial," this means that we can do what we want but we will be punished for it, if it is a sin.
Imagine a parent who loves and trusts their adult son/daughter implicitly. The parent will leave all choices to their child and support them as best as possible. Basically, God is our parent and has given all men free reign under the authority of Christ. When we are good children, God is pleased. When we are bad children, God is not pleased.
I'm not telling people to murder, I'm saying the option is there for each man to choose. It boils down to free will. You'll need to search the Scripture and pray to understand further, as the Old Covenant was restrictive (You'd absolutely be killed by men for sinning, and nothing you did outside of fleeing could stop that), and the New Covenant is liberating (you may or may not be killed by men for sinning, there is a possibility of forgiveness; you reap what you sow) - one of the overarching principles in the Bible teaches this but the punishment for sins is ultimately inescapable (God's judgment).
Ditto.
I'm suspicious of the Founders, and have debated if they were even real, or not. I've even debated if their actions weren't different than what we're told and weren't perhaps changed retroactively. But, I've found no proof for the various theories as of yet. So, as far as we have ample evidence to show, the history we have is what it was - but, in most cases, what the history says is not 100% true.
I'm not saying what the Founders did was right but that's what we have, and from a Christian stand point, they may have not been wholly in the wrong. Our worldly sensibilities for right and wrong are far different from what God says is sin. Take for example the modern woman's role in comparison to what women were created for: women were created as helpmates, they are the sole source of femininity in the Universe. Male roles are male roles, female roles are female roles.
If we're on a thread that says, "this is what the Founders wanted, and here is the evidence to prove it," that leaves it to anyone who disagrees to show proof of their disagreement. If we have a theory or anecdotal evidence it should be stated as such.
If the USA is the foundation of your Christianity, I'd say you were never really a Christian. Further, why choose to be taught by a fallible man when Christ gave you a direct relationship with God? All men have equal authority, you can read the Scripture and learn it yourself (and that is the best way to avoid misinformation). With Christ, every man is the church.
Modern america is in no way a Christian nation. Compare what the modern USA stands for (war, lgbtq, usury, lies, brainwashing, pedophilia, an overall Godless lustful greedy merciless society, etc.) with what the New Testament teaches (mercy, forgiveness, kindness, love - the actual kind, not the modern interpretation - sacrifice, keeping the peace, proper roles of men and women, focus on God, etc.).
. I can be intense and direct so I can understand how it may come across as more masculine at times...oh well. I appreciate you recognizing my attempt to offer specifics with info being discussed.
