The Four Horsemen of the Fake Apocalypse

[alltheleaves]

... manipulation and exploitation of a biblical prophecy in order to trigger a pre-programmed response in those who are believers in the 3 Apocalyptic Abrahamic cults.

Amen! (Ra) and Amen! (hotep)

 

[Deleted member 1432]

People have posted their religious ideas and understanding on this site and in your thread but for some reason you have singled me out as any enemy

I thought it was too much to expect that you wouldn't play the "poor persecuted Christian" card. You are absolutely right, there has been almost a pandemic on the forum of people posting their religious ideas lately, particularly amongst your fellow Christians. And, as you say, it has even happened in this thread, but only by those who have misunderstood the point of the OP, such as yourself. I suppose I should thank you really as you and the others have illustrated the point of the OP perfectly with your pre-programmed responses.

Yes I found the truth in Jesus but that doesn’t mean I stop searching and uncovering the lies postulated by the Luciferian elite.

Could it be that the 'truth' you are seeking is anything that reinforces your existing beliefs and passes the blame for Christianity's unsavoury history onto these 'Luciferians' and people pretending to be Christians? Your beliefs force you to not even consider that the biblical roots of Christianity are lies, because to you it is 'the gospel truth' and 'the word of God', you are therefore trapped in one specific version of the 'truth' and sadly you will never break free from it, but you are destined to continually seek excuses for it. In this way, you will re-write the history of Christianity to make it more palatable.

I have been away from this forum for sometime. I decided to withdraw because I didn't like the direction that it was taking. However, I have a long-standing affinity with it and even a certain loyalty to its cause. Noticing that the number of active members and the quality of content have fallen off dramatically I decided to try active participation once again. It seems that many previous members have either departed or just observe and I now find that it faces another crisis and is in danger of drowning in dogma and mediocrity, which all fits with the current general atmosphere and the points raised in the OP. I hope it can manage to survive.

 

[Daniel]

Fomenko seems to have removed the direct link, but I hope this works(from waybackmachine)..
https://web.archive.org/web/20200425022249if_/http://chronologia.org/en/seven/1N03-EN-134-166.pdf

 

[madmartigan]

If you believe that the past has been altered, manipulated and controlled, than logically you must concede that the bible is also part of that same system.
Which means its either all completed fabricated, as are all the other religious books, or they are using it to control or divide. Maybe they included some truth but left out the important parts that they keep to themselves.

I'm sure there is tons of important books in the basement of the vatican, but will we the peasants ever get to see them?

No idea what is the truth, and we will probably never know.

Also why did they choose certain "books" to include in it? Why was the book of Ezekiel left out? As well as other books from the dead sea scrolls?

Just some food for thought.

 

[reverendALC]

If you believe that the past has been altered, manipulated and controlled, than logically you must concede that the bible is also part of that same system.
Which means its either all completed fabricated, as are all the other religious books, or they are using it to control or divide. Maybe they included some truth but left out the important parts that they keep to themselves.

I'm sure there is tons of important books in the basement of the vatican, but will we the peasants ever get to see them?

No idea what is the truth, and we will probably never know.

Also why did they choose certain "books" to include in it? Why was the book of Ezekiel left out? As well as other books from the dead sea scrolls?

Just some food for thought.

Is it possible that the Bible was so widely known and so ubiquitously produced that it just wasn’t possible or feasible to obscure it from the world?

I’m not arguing for or against the Bible in any capacity. As much as I hate the term, I’m playing the devil’s advocate.

if there was a book known to every man, woman, and child on the planet which detailed who I am and how to defeat my evil plot… I would discredit the book. I would convince the world that the book was rubbish and its readers fools. I would create a new society in which the book was laughed at and ridiculed, treated as fairy tale and dismissed, and then continue my tirade of darkness, chuckling all the way.

 

[Truthseeker2468]

Is it possible that the Bible was so widely known and so ubiquitously produced that it just wasn’t possible or feasible to obscure it from the world?

I’m not arguing for or against the Bible in any capacity. As much as I hate the term, I’m playing the devil’s advocate.

if there was a book known to every man, woman, and child on the planet which detailed who I am and how to defeat my evil plot… I would discredit the book. I would convince the world that the book was rubbish and its readers fools. I would create a new society in which the book was laughed at and ridiculed, treated as fairy tale and dismissed, and then continue my tirade of darkness, chuckling all the way.

Very well said. All the work that has gone into discrediting the Bible; the Big Bang, evolution, heliocentric cosmology, smithsonian cover ups, and so much is just more proof that the Bible is legit.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

Very well said. All the work that has gone into discrediting the Bible; the Big Bang, evolution, heliocentric cosmology, smithsonian cover ups, and so much is just more proof that the Bible is legit.

Would you also apply the same logic to paganism? The monumental amount of prolonged effort and bloodshed involved in discrediting paganism by Christianity has no comparison. What about Adolf Hitler, Mussolini, Franco? Is all the work that has gone into discrediting them just more proof that they were legit?

 

[ProfessorHotStuff]

if there was a book known to every man, woman, and child on the planet which detailed who I am and how to defeat my evil plot… I would discredit the book. I would convince the world that the book was rubbish and its readers fools. I would create a new society in which the book was laughed at and ridiculed, treated as fairy tale and dismissed, and then continue my tirade of darkness, chuckling all the way.

Let's say the original Bible did have tips and tricks for overthrowing earthly evil. All the earthly evil would have to do is:
1) Gain influence in the monolithic Catholic and Orthodox Churches
2) Alter the text behind closed doors (recall that for centuries only the priesthood class actually accessed and read the Bible)
3) Decide that all other versions of the text will lead to excommunication or death

The evil infiltrators could just change the text to give exactly backwards advice. For example, they could tell people to be meek and patient and wait to be rescued, instead of banding together to destroy evil rulers and subverters through guile, force, and tenacity.

The Council of Nicaea is an instance where certain ideas were determined to be heretical and every other flavor of Christianity was determined to be wrong from that point on.

The Ethiopian church, which is almost as ancient and continuous as the Catholic Church, has a Bible containing several books that seem to have been removed from the West's Bible. This is proof that editing has taken place.

 

[reverendALC]

@Will Scarlet, im not a Christian, so please interpret this as intellectual sparring of a playful nature.

let’s pretend for a moment that Christianity is the truth, the light, and the way. Cyclically applying this notion to Christianity itself would then imply that Satan is legit, paganism is legit, and creates a paradox.

I believe that, in this line of thought, it must be attributed to one school at a time.

in far more recent times, the US and global powers have spent a lot of time and energy discrediting:

ivermectin for covid
Hunter Biden’s laptop
Covid shot injuries
The perils of migration/replacement
So many more things

it does seem to suggest that things which are publicly and widely denounced by institutional power are worth a much closer look.

and to your credit, yes. Hitler, Franco, Mussolini all may deserve another look. I have spent a fair amount of time reassessing hitler and WW2. Not because I’m a nazi sympathizer, not because I’m a eugenicist, but because since the third grade I can remember the “hitler bad, holocaust bad, Jews off limits” narrative being rigidly applied to my education. At risk of derailing this conversation, I’ll withhold my thoughts, but I’d strongly recommend looking into it objectively.

Franco and Mussolini and many other infamous characters haven’t received one iota of the “coverage” that the Bible has, so it’s wildly unfair to lump them in with Christianity in my opinion. I do believe hitler enjoys the level of international exposure in early education as Christianity.

 

[madmartigan]

Is it possible that the Bible was so widely known and so ubiquitously produced that it just wasn’t possible or feasible to obscure it from the world?

I’m not arguing for or against the Bible in any capacity. As much as I hate the term, I’m playing the devil’s advocate.

if there was a book known to every man, woman, and child on the planet which detailed who I am and how to defeat my evil plot… I would discredit the book. I would convince the world that the book was rubbish and its readers fools. I would create a new society in which the book was laughed at and ridiculed, treated as fairy tale and dismissed, and then continue my tirade of darkness, chuckling all the way.

Let's say the original Bible did have tips and tricks for overthrowing earthly evil. All the earthly evil would have to do is:
1) Gain influence in the monolithic Catholic and Orthodox Churches
2) Alter the text behind closed doors (recall that for centuries only the priesthood class actually accessed and read the Bible)
3) Decide that all other versions of the text will lead to excommunication or death

The evil infiltrators could just change the text to give exactly backwards advice. For example, they could tell people to be meek and patient and wait to be rescued, instead of banding together to destroy evil rulers and subverters through guile, force, and tenacity.

The Council of Nicaea is an instance where certain ideas were determined to be heretical and every other flavor of Christianity was determined to be wrong from that point on.

The Ethiopian church, which is almost as ancient and continuous as the Catholic Church, has a Bible containing several books that seem to have been removed from the West's Bible. This is proof that editing has taken place.

all good points. There is so much we don't know, but can only speculate on.

The catholic bible has been changed, look at the original Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek text. the 1611 KJV with apocrophia is the "best" of the newer versions that seems to be closest to the original texts. The Catholic religion seems to be a means to control the population, they changed the Sabbath from Saturday to pagan sunday.

There is lots of evidence that Jesus is just a rehashing of older tales, like mentioned in Zeitgeist.

I think most of the books are just taken and altered from older civilizations that were either rewritten or passed down by word of mouth.

How can we really trust what is written when we don't even know what the past few hundred years of history really is.

 

[Deleted member 37]

it does seem to suggest that things which are publicly and widely denounced by institutional power are worth a much closer look.

What kind of look though? Be more specific. Christianity is surely under attack but it doesn't mean it's good per se. And there's an incredible amount of proofs about the damages done by this globalist cult, because that's what it is, a globalist cult where the only thing strangely remaining intact and sacred, even for those who are attacking it, are certain supposed roots originating from a specific place in the middle-east...

The Catholic religion seems to be a means to control the population, they changed the Sabbath from Saturday to pagan sunday.

Every christian sub-cult is made to control the population, you are victim to the Protestant XV century propaganda. Catholicism is different because it has a physical Church in Rome and nonetheless chistianity works perfectly even without it. Communism, another globalist religion, has no 'seat' anywhere in the world but works very well in the minds of those who believe these escathological religions. In fact 'cultural marxism' and marxism itself before (not to mention positivism in general and all the -isms still around) are the academia's viruses. The same academia was possesed by christian zealots in the past, so nothing has really changed and the centres of these mind-cults are where "professors" sit.

By the way, I've never heard of Sunday being pagan. It seems another christian fairytale to be fair. Where did you take this valuable piece of information, @madmartigan?

Meanwhile it seems only fair to drop this video showing the mindset of the first christians.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjVXNm7ByMQ&t=908s

 

[reverendALC]

What kind of look though?

I’d strongly recommend looking into it objectively.

again, I’m not cheerleading or championing anything. As I said I’m not a Christian, but I’m a huge proponent of viewing things through your own lens.

to clarify at length, this is what I mean by “another look”:

discard your prepackaged conceptions and spoon fed narratives. Entertain alternative perspectives, even opposing perspectives. Use your own intuition.

I don’t subscribe to a religion, but I can see them for what they’ve become.

Let’s look at the US healthcare system for a moment, as a simile to religion. Once a system designed to provide access to life saving medicine and surgery, now perverted into a great racketeering venture. Health insurance coverage has caused providers to ratchet up costs to maximize insurance payouts, which in turn has caused insurance providers to ratchet up premiums to cover the ratcheted costs. Doctors prescribe pills based on kickbacks and promotional subsidies, and western medicine treats symptoms not underlying causes to ensure the repeat business of their customers. the healthcare system has been weaponized and monetized.

does this mean health care systems are wrong? Or does this mean we need reform?

Does this mean religion is wrong? Or does this mean we need reform?

 

[Deleted member 37]

Let’s look at the US healthcare system for a moment, as a simile to religion. Once a system designed to provide access to life saving medicine and surgery, now perverted into a great racketeering venture. Health insurance coverage has caused providers to ratchet up costs to maximize insurance payouts, which in turn has caused insurance providers to ratchet up premiums to cover the ratcheted costs. Doctors prescribe pills based on kickbacks and promotional subsidies, and western medicine treats symptoms not underlying causes to ensure the repeat business of their customers. the healthcare system has been weaponized and monetized.

does this mean health care systems are wrong? Or does this mean we need reform?

Does this mean religion is wrong? Or does this mean we need reform?

But it's objectively the other way around. Christianity is the globalist power which corrupted the previous natural religions, whatever they were. So when I ask "what kind of look" I'm just saying that granted your examples are correct, it falls upon the globalist institution, which is imperialistic, the blame of being the corruptor.
So why should christianity be considered a religion, when it's clearly a mental tool of domination used in order to pervert, corrupt and dominate the previous natural society?
Which goes back to the main point of the thread, which is, if i got the message, that there's a mental script written in the minds of christians.

As for what is good in christianity, it will be good when all the judeo stuff is thrown out of the window, which means throwing out Sweet Jesus too... and being sure to close the door.

 

[ProfessorHotStuff]

they changed the Sabbath from Saturday to pagan sunday.

Worshiping Saturn is no more or less pagan than worshiping the sun. (The old Judaic Saturn worship evidence can surely be found elsewhere in this site.)

But it's objectively the other way around. Christianity is the globalist power which corrupted the previous natural religions, whatever they were.

Excellent point. Note too how pre-Christian religious adherents were eradicated or forced to convert over time, yet Judaism itself survived - most often in Christian-dominated urban areas, while pagans were hunted to the remotest ends of Europe. A conspiracy of Abrahamism.

 

[reverendALC]

sticking with my health care simile;

were the creators of (what’s turned into) our health care system all evil oppressors? Does every young man or woman who says “I want to be a doctor when I grow up!” actively want to become part of a terrible oppressive racket at the expense of those they wish to save?

is it possible that many, maybe even most of the health care professionals have been bamboozled and think they’re doing “good” when they’re jabbing children and prescribing SSRIs?

that is the ULTIMATE perversion of this world: bad disguised as good. Sickness disguised as health, slavery disguised as freedom, hurt disguised as help. Evil disguised as Christianity.

it’s possible that the globalist/powers that be looked at the religions of the world as weapons in an armory: the strongest weapon in the armory could be used to free the people, but could also be turned on them as the strongest tool of oppression.

 

[Deleted member 37]

Evil disguised as Christianity.

No. Christianity is not good, so eeeeevil cannot disguise as something which is not good.
Also it's time to stop with this illusion of absolute eeeevil and absolute gooood. It's complete nonsense.

it’s possible that the globalist/powers that be looked at the religions of the world as weapons in an armory: the strongest weapon in the armory could be used to free the people, but could also be turned on them as the strongest tool of oppression.

Christianity was created by those same powers. It's the GMO religion, a mongrel religion where a parasite controls its hosts, the large population of brainwashed sheep, in order to achieve a never coming heavenly reign here on Earth. So claiming that christianity was there to free people is quite absurd, and blaming the ones who don't want to fall into that psychic trap as evil is a part of the problem, since it's the true objective longed for by the parasite and carried out by its brainwashed host.

@Will Scarlet, the Four Horsemen story telling may be the script blindly followed to facilitate the achievement of their goals, but is it based on some kind of genuine historical event (or events) of the past, lately transformed into fear-propaganda by the christian ministers, or was it created from nothing by th same people?
Given that the culprit is the same, my opinion is that it is based on something real appropriated by the christian propaganda in a second time, like they always do. A similar succession of events is for example described in the Iliad, where the Gods take the place of the Horsemen as the enactors of calamities.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

At risk of derailing this conversation, I’ll withhold my thoughts, but I’d strongly recommend looking into it objectively.

Too late. OK, I know, maybe I could start a website that looks into all of these things objectively?

I think most of the books are just taken and altered from older civilizations that were either rewritten or passed down by word of mouth.

There is very little in either the NT or the OT that is 'original thought'. Even the core belief of Christianity - the crucifixion and resurrection - are pagan motifs that have been hijacked.

the only thing strangely remaining intact and sacred, even for those who are attacking it, are certain supposed roots originating from a specific place in the middle-east...

Exactly, and that's the biggest lie of all, imo. It's not supported by archaeology or independant local documentation.

Doctors prescribe pills based on kickbacks and promotional subsidies, and western medicine treats symptoms not underlying causes to ensure the repeat business of their customers. the healthcare system has been weaponized and monetized.

This is the way all organisations are subverted, religious or otherwise. You should also objectively factor in the brainwashing of medical training and peer pressure.

Does this mean religion is wrong? Or does this mean we need reform?

Does this mean religion is right? Or does this mean we all need to make our own objective, informed decisions about what we believe?

Given that the culprit is the same, my opinion is that it is based on something real appropriated by the christian propaganda in a second time, like they always do. A similar succession of events is for example described in the Iliad, where the Gods take the place of the Horsemen as the enactors of calamities.

Indeed, this is a distinct possibility given their track record. One has to wonder if the Iliad and other classical 'mythology' has also been manipulated by Christian influences, just like the Nordic Ragnarok tale was.

Which goes back to the main point of the thread, which is, if i got the message, that there's a mental script written in the minds of christians.

You got it spot-on

 

[Deleted member 37]

Indeed, this is a distinct possibility given their track record. One has to wonder if the Iliad and other classical 'mythology' has also been manipulated by Christian influences, just like the Nordic Ragnarok tale was.

My opinion about the Ragnarok tale is kind of different. I think the opinion of it being conditioned by christians is an "explanation" created in order to own the traditional 'pagan' nordic cult, a piece of a vast and larger tradition common to all of europeans.
In other words the same old story: "I came before you so I own you". Except that the Scandinavian heritage has so many points of contact with all the other pre-christian european religions that in my opinion having it discending from christainity is almost insulting.

Same goes for the Yggdrasil-Adam tree correspondence. In my opinion it shows how the jewish cult was possibly originally part of the same family of ancient natural religions, but lately it gave its own peculiar "explanation" (using this word for this thing gives me the chills) and when they met each other again through the christian cult, they felt the need to impose their own meaning upon it.

p.s.: I'm referring to Yggdrasil/Adam Kadmon

 

[reverendALC]

Christianity was created by those same powers. It's the GMO religion

I must admit that I don’t know enough about Christianity to intelligently debate you further

I don’t know enough about any religion honestly. What I do know, is that exploring and celebrating spirituality and using faith to guide oneself through difficult times sounds “good” and “right” to me. Maybe even “absolute good”. Perhaps you’re right; Christianity was created by TPTB as a control mechanism for the people, to displace other religions and philosophies.

Also it's time to stop with this illusion of absolute eeeevil and absolute gooood.

Is it? I find it to be a much needed binary. It would be really nice to know where everybody stood; good or evil. Look at gender: once a binary, it’s now celebrated as a spectrum. What has the introduction of degrees or shades of gender provided the world? Now I cannot say to myself “long hair and makeup and a dress, that’s a woman” and I must look for subtle cues such as physique, Adam’s apple, etc… I would love to look at a person or product or subject matter and be able to say “that’s good” or “that’s bad” without having to search for clues that it’s bad disguised as good or the inverse.

at the end of this, I can say that I disagree with religious indoctrination and programming. It should be voluntary not compulsory. It should be broadening not confining. And most of all, it should be the pursuit of truth and knowledge. Who would pursue these things when (they think) they already have them?

 

[Deleted member 1432]

In other words the same old story: "I came before you so I own you". Except that the Scandinavian heritage has so many points of contact with all the other pre-christian european religions that in my opinion having it discending from christainity is almost insulting

I agree completely. The whole idea of mutilating and rewriting pre-christian manuscripts was precisely that - to take ownership of them in order to make it seem as if they justify Christianity as the legitimate successor to paganism. The Stanzas 65 manipulation of Ragnarok , which refers to a "powerful, mighty one" that "rules over everything" and who will arrive from above at the court of the gods, is even recognised by modern scholars as a Christian addition. ('Norse Mythology: A Guide to Gods, Heroes, Rituals, and Beliefs' by John Lindow, 2001.) Of course, anything that couldn't be successfully perverted to the cause was simply destroyed and the vacuum it left in chronology and history filled with either duplicated and backdated events or totally fictitious ones, which is exactly why we're in the mess we have now.

Same goes for the Yggdrasil-Adam tree correspondence.

I would go even further than that regarding the Garden of Eden tale and its Nordic influences. “In Norse legend the food of immortality of the gods in Asgard was the apple. The Apple of the Hesperides." (Lewis Spence , 'The Minor Traditions of British Mythology.') The Greek word ‘melon’ has a double meaning, which is either sheep or apple. Therefore, the Golden Fleece, which was the object of the quest by Jason and the Argonauts was actually a quest for a golden apple. The apple was also sacred to the Greek Apollo. In Celtic tradition it was associated with the Otherworld and in many ancient tales those who are visiting are warned not to eat or drink anything whilst they are there, otherwise they won’t be able to leave. In the Genesis story it was the opposite, God threw Adam and Eve out instead and we've all been paying for their 'terrible sin' ever since apparently. It's also interesting to note that the Hebrew word 'Nachash' is generally considered to mean serpent... “Interestingly, in Biblical Hebrew there is a fascinating strong etymological connection between the ‘Nachash’ and supernatural forces. The Biblical Hebrew word for ‘sorcery’ or ‘witchcraft’ is… that’s right…the SAME as the word for ‘SERPENT’ – meaning ‘Nachash’!” (Source) So maybe it wasn't a serpent, but a sorcerer who offered Eve a way out?