The History and Culture of the Ancient Aryan Civilization

[Matvei]

Now we will learn what is the traditional Russian wooden architecture like.
This is very important because we will later see examples of very similar or even same architecture in Scandinavia, South Asia, and Southeast Asia.

These are links to drawings and paintings depicting buildings how the architecture in Ancient Russia used to look like. As you can see, it is entirely made of wood!

The motives of Russian architecture in 1873-1880 · Russia Travel Blog

Amazing Russian Design of the Late 19th Century - English Russia

Old Russian Luxury Houses - English Russia

Northern Dreams - English Russia

https://www.renegadetribune.com/the-art-of-vsevolod-ivanov/

http://www.renegadetribune.com/paintings-hyperborean-russia-alexander-uglanov/

 

[Jd755]

I have allowed your thread on this site with the intention that you are planning on providing more research than a string of YT videos and random images of warriors

On present form highly unlikely.
He's just switched from posting images of drawings to links to images of drawings!

 

[Deleted member 1432]

Stop turning this discussion into race. I never claimed to be a "Master Race" anything. I even stated explicitly that this isn't about race. You're the one who brought the subject of race into this.

So I consider the Nazis as liars, how they claimed that the Germans were Aryans, and the Russians were non-Aryan untermenthen.

YOU introduced 'race' into the OP and it's implicit in the title of your thread.

Racism is an invention of Western European colonial powers. Actually only haplogroups exist. So who are the real "Master Race"? They are the rich Ango-Saxon plantation owners in the Southeastern United States during the 19th century! They were actual masters who owned slaves. These are the people whom we should be blaming. Anglo-Saxons and African Americans have the haplogroup R1B. This is because many African Americans are descended from the sons of White planation owners and their Black enslaved concubines. But these men were sick in the head because they enslaved their own sons, their own bloodline for crying out loud!

This is nonsense and, yet again, unsubstantiated opinions.There is a great deal of evidence to show that the Jews were the slave traders - the same race, sorry haplogroup, that took control of Russia through your country's revolution.

I've never even heard of the supposed British origin of the Aryan Invasion theory until I've started posting it here. My research is based on the research of Russian historians, not British, as well as my own findings. I have been accused of being a secret agent of British or Germans. I don't give a shit about claims of British or Germans. I've never even read the original claims what they wrote. "There was no Aryan Invasion of India?" According to what, only assumptions.

And there's that same old arrogance again. How do you know it's "only assumptions" if you've never heard of it before you posted here and if you don't give enough of a shit to even read the evidence? Don't worry, you won't be accused of being a secret agent here ...secret agents need to be involved in 'intelligence'.

Why would the Ancient Aryans Theory be British propoganda? What would the British have to gain, I mean they definitely weren't related to the Aryans in any way. What would the British or Germans have to gain by claiming the heritage of a completely different civilization that had a totally different aesthetics, such as the shape of their helmets?

This is pointless, but there are viable answers here.

What do we know about the pre-British India anyways?

I suppose you've never heard of The Vedas either then.

A quote from some other person on this forum, saving it for later, in case it would be useful.
But it is not my main evidence, that is still yet to come.

ARCTIC Home in the Vedas, HYPERBOREAN Origin... in the FAR NORTH, NOT Russia.

At one time we were all inclined to take this approach, which obviously (to the rest of us vets) does not help to impress upon us

I'm not sure that being a member for 12 days short of a year qualifies you to be considered a 'vet'.

 

[Jd755]

Of course, I used other sources, mainly Russian alternative historians.

I do not want other people jumping in and offering any information of their own, because I do not want to be influenced or biased by other people.

Your position is at odds with the purpose of this site.
Forum definition.

A forum is an area of a website where users can post comments and have discussions.

 

[Jd755]

A thread.
The Aryan Deception.

 

[Matvei]

A thread.
The Aryan Deception.

The only deception that there is the deception of the official history whose narrative you continue to uphold. You're posting the exact same article over and over again, without even considering the evidence that I'm providing here. Because you need to uphold a dogma, a certain worldview, therefore any evidence to the contrary you don't want to see. Or you don't want the people to see. I'm not writing for you, I'm writing for the people.

This article is an obvious strawman. Making the entire subject of Ancient Aryan Civilization merely seem like a British propoganda. I'm not going to be wasting my time fighting against straw men. Because I need to be posting the evidence that I have. But for curiosity, I open the article and see at the top of the page.

"Twenty-four centuries before Isaac Newton, the Hindu Rig-Veda asserted that gravitation held the universe together. The Sanskrit speaking Aryans subscribed to the idea of a spherical earth in an era when the Greeks believed in a flat one. The Indians of the fifth century A.D. calculated the age of the earth as 4.3 billion years; scientists in 19th century England were convinced it was 100 million years.” Dick Teresi, Lost Discoveries: The Ancient Roots of Modern Science.

We know that the Greek scientist Eratoshenes calculated that the Earth was a sphere. So allegation that "the Greeks believed in a flat one" is wrong. Obviously the Earth is a sphere and is 4.3 billion years old. Would you say that's wrong and made up too?

There is a "flat Earth" thread with even less evidence that I've already presented and no one bothers to mock it. Yet how many trolls like ravens have come here just to derail my thread.

Eratosthenes - Wikipedia

All kinds of theories are allowed to be discusses, mere speculations about the "flat Earth", allegations of people with the heads of dogs, or even people without any heads at all (!), but when one comes too close to the truth, then they start to discredit you by any means possible. Yeah, "flat Earth" and other conspiracy theories built on speculations and 4Chan style "revelations" are just to make actual conspiracies of history seem unreasonable by association. And then shut up the people who are writing about that.

A thread. "The Aryan Deception"
Oh yeah, treating this article as the only valid source of information, a kind of measuring stick along which other information must be judged. Just like people who have a Biblical worldview use the Bible as a measuring stick. Any evidence that's contrary to the Bible, such as a sphere Earth having 4.3 billion years, is tossed out, no matter how much evidence you provide to the contrary.
But this article is not a measuring stick, it is not "established truth". It is simply the conclusions of some other poster. He has his own conclusions, I have my own conclusions. Why is he allowed to write his conclusions, and I'm not? Who enforces this? Who crowned you are the Pope and Tsar?

Pictures of the Vril Society? Seriously? Imagine the timeline in which China's Century of Humilitation lasted more than one century, just like in Russia. And there would be those among the Western pseudo-historians who would claim that the Ancient Chinese Civilization never existed. And then they would put pictures of Falun Dafa and Shen Yun, saying, "see, Falun Dafa made up the so-called Ancient Chinese Civilization. It's all fake, it's all mock character acting". By using this argument is a way to destroy those grass-roots organizations who are trying to preserve and pass down the ancient culture onto the next generation.

Just as there are those in the 21st century who say that the Ancient Chinese were never in Manchuria, they were never in Tibet, not in Taiwan, not in Korea, not in Japan, not in Vietnam, not in Laos. Despite there being Chinese-inspired architecture in these countries. And the traditional clothing of those peoples was inspired by traditional Chinese clothing. But still there are those who deny such realities. Imagine how much stronger this movement would have been in China would not have been strong, as it is now under Xi Jinping, if it were as weak and broken as Russia?

We are led by official historians to believe that these two buildings were made by two entirely different nations, with no cultural connection to each other.

 

[Jd755]

You're posting the exact same article over and over again, without even considering the evidence that I'm providing here

Are you blind or something.
I am not Will!
As for evidence its just still and moving images. No links to the Russian alternative sources you claim you use, no links to the other forums you claim to have posted on bugger all quite frankly but drawings and videos off the YouTube, an entertainment medium.

 

[Matvei]

As for evidence its just still and moving images.

Yeah because it's my own original research! I found these images on my own, and put them here for comparison for the people to see. Because there is a lot of cultural evidence linking the peoples of Slavic countries to the peoples of the South Asian countries. I just need to show pictures of that. Finding similarities in clothing, armor, architecture, embroidery, ornaments, and other cultural things is what is my own original research.

Oh, you're like one of those "academics" who discourages people to do their own research, and only use the sources of others, never thinking with your head.

These pictures are available for free on the internet. But without putting those pictures together it would not be obvious that there is a cultural connection. So I need to put those pictures together and compare them to make the cultural connection obvious. How else should I work?

Are you blind or something.

Perhaps I should be asking you if you're blind, or if you're pretending to be blind. Blind means not being able to see with eyes. Because I've posted a ton of images clearly showing evidence of a cultural connection. And you're saying that I shouldn't trust my eyes, that I should be blind.
And I have yet to hear any argument or even feedback regarding my images themselves. I mean, why aren't you saying something about what these images are depicting?

He's just switched from posting images of drawings to links to images of drawings!

Instead of critiquing the actual evidence we see here critiquing the format of the evidence, the medium that the evidence is in.
This same narrative of , "pictures bad" or "videos bad".
That's because when you can't argue with the information, you seek to invalidate the information. Saying that pictures are an invalid evidence, or eyewitness stories are an invalid evidence. Saying that "anecdotal evidence is bad". "So what if this guy claims that he was abducted by aliens, it's just a story, it didn't happen." "Correlation does not equal causation" They repeat this phrase like wound up toy robots. Because when there is real correlation to be had, but the conclusion is not what they wanted, they just slap this generic label up to silence the discussion at once!
So now they're saying, "only peer reviewed articles constitute evidence". And who are the "peers" by whom it should be reviewed? Guys like you, just the censors? How much red tape was setup just to publish into an academic journal? Possible such a setup was done to create a system that filters out any unwanted information?
And then yeah, say the same thing, "pictures are nothing, videos are nothing!" Whatever happened to the saying, "an image is a thousand words and a video is a million words"?

If you can't see the obvious connection, then it's pointless to argue with you. I'm not writing this all for those like you, I'm writing it for the people. For those lurkers and guests who may come here and find the information here useful.

No links to the Russian alternative sources you claim you use

Very well, I'll link to the Russian alternative sources. As there will be people coming and going who will be interested to know about this.

I am posting my own findings here, in the image format.
But if you want, one Russian alternative historian who has done tons more than I have, is Svetlana Zharnikova (Светлана Жарникова). All of her lectures are on Youtube. Most of them are in Russian language. However Youtube's auto-translation facility could be useful for AI generated subtitle of what she is saying. The AI will create the subtitle, and if the original speaker in the language has a clear pronounciation, is not drunk or something, then the auto-translation usually works find.

This is one of her few lectures which has manual English subtitles directly as a part of the video itself.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b-OjaPV4m8


Her lectures are organized in several playlists.


View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8193u6KhvRvp8DfJ2xJ4PFv3IDtDAZ2D



View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL33L1xGRNEYFrM7pQUWXOmcjUnHwyH-Gp



View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLY2fjUcNQNRqerGKjUEWuWH0UEQ8NOBkm

 

[Jd755]

Yet how many trolls like ravens have come here just to derail my thread.

You do love to play the victim.

Finding similarities in clothing, armor, architecture, embroidery, ornaments, and other cultural things is what is my own original research

At last. We have got to your methodology. Thanks for that.
Took you long enough.
And do stop the troll insults it does you no credit.

Credit where it is due though you are obviously looking for patterns which is to my mind as good a starting point for research as any.

But taking Levis as an example they are worn universally all over the world so if it was visual patterns alone then it would appear that everyone who wears Levis is part of the same civilisation...unless one then went digging into text and articles and supply chains etc.

A tad crude an example maybe but its the only way I can get my point over that it is the digging part that is missing in your copious posting and yet you ascert with authority that the Aryans were real and they did the things you claim they did.

I dont want "sources" just some insight as to where your statements come from. I think you have now provided the answer so thank you.
That said I will refrain from commenting further in your thread.
Have fun.

 

[Matvei]

But taking Levis as an example they are worn universally all over the world so if it was visual patterns alone then it would appear that everyone who wears Levis is part of the same civilisation.

Yes, these people are part of the same "Western globalist capitalist" civilization. I don't even know how do you call it. But everywhere we see evidences of the dominant civilization of this planet, which is capitalist, industrial, automobile, plastics, boring standardized architecture, and boring standardized clothing. So why do all buildings all over the world look the same, and why do people who are living in different nations look the same in their clothing? Even somewhere in Peru people are wearing "Captain America" shirts, not because they are patriots, but because of convenience? It is because they have been taken over, in whole or in part, by this global civilization that has a certain point of origin.

So clothing worn universally over the world is absolutely indicative of a single civilization. It maybe not have strictly defined borders, merely a sphere of influence. It need not be necessarily an entire empire, not necessarily political or military dominance. It can be propoganda dominance or economic/industrial dominance, as you said with supply chains, people in Peru wear "American" clothing becuase they have no other option, because the factories have monopolized and pushed the local clothing maker out of business, unless is a special niche market for local nationalists and people who have money. Otherwise even the city dwellers would be wearing traditional/ethnic Peruvian clothing too.

But when we have many different peoples in different continents who are wearing traditional/ethnic clothing that is very similar, isn't that indicative that either these peoples had a same point of origin, or were influenced by the same civilization some time in the past? What about similar architecture? Does it not show that at least they were inspired by that architecture, or at most foreign architects themselves came in and built it according to an order from the local ruler? If we see all over Eurasia architecture that's similar to Slavic/Nordic architecture, doesn't it show that from this culture was influence into the other cultures?

That's why traditional culture is often derided as being "primitive", "outdated", "old fashioned", "quaint", "backward", or even "fascist", "supremacist", "cultist", "right wing". Because if we take a deep dive to examine the traditional culture of the world we can find many many connections.

he's showing pictures of random warriors

They are not "random warriors". Using the word "random" is the same as saying "Correlation does not equal causation". clearly these warriors are wearing the same uniform, or a very similar uniform that was inspired by the same source.
Imagine you're a future archeologist digging after the demise of the current civilization. And you find uniforms of NATO warriors all over the world, not only in the United States, but also in France, in Germany, in Estonia, in Israel, and in various odds and ends? Would that not suggest that these countries were all either parts of the same Empire, or simply bought arms and armor from the same supplier? Either way, that is a cultural influence too.

But such evidence continues to be ignored, because the consensus is that the Ancient Aryan Theory is British Propoganda. Apparently me, who's never set foot in Britain, is an agent of the British Empire.

The only British Propoganda here are the pictures of steampunk cars driving through 18th/19th century London.
"Oh yeah, the Ancient Aryans didn't have chariots, because the British had steampunk cars during the Victorian period." Do you people even hear yourselves?

The goal of the trolls is to wear down the writer, to flood the writer and drain his time. A DDOS attack in words and thoughts.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

Well, what do you know, yet another Russian with nothing but contempt for everything British / English / 'Anglo-Saxon' to add to the collection.

A tad crude an example maybe but its the only way I can get my point over that it is the digging part that is missing in your copious posting and yet to ascert with authority that the Aryans were real and they did the things you claim they did.

He didn't get it. We're wasting our time.

I think this just about sums up his approach, and it's in a media format he might even take notice of...

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[Matvei]

For those who want sources or texts, this is an article describing the relationship between the Sanskrit language and the Russian language.

A Sanskrit scholar Durga Prasad Shastri: do You speak a modified form of Sanskrit!

 

[Matvei]

I suppose you've never heard of The Vedas either then.

The Vedas are a sacred book, or rather collection of books in Dharmic religions, just like the Bible in Abrahamic religions.

What is the meaning of the word Bible? It is "Biblia" or "biblioteca", meaning a library, a collection of books. It is simply a collection of books that someone chose to "canonize", and make "sacred". And these are disparate books, ranging from pure Ancient Sumerian mythology (Genesis) to the Ancient Jewish history, to various Psalms, Proverbs, and the New Testament, Gospels, the Book of Romans, and various odds and ends. It is exactly a compilation, an unbalanced collection of books. At one time, it was the local priest's library, so they simply canonized the priest's book collection and that was it. Never mind the Dead Sea scrolls, the Gospel of Peter, and other Apocryphal texts. Made of disparate authors, and yet it is claimed as divinely inspired.

For example, there is a website Biblioteca Pleyades, which is a library or similarly unbalanced collection of various books and texts and articles about various topics in esoterics, conspiracy theories, alternate history, etc. So if for example civilization were to collapse tommorow, in the rubble future historians would by chance come across a printed version of Biblioteca Pleyades, and it would become the new sacred religious "book" for the next one thousand years.

Ok then. What is the meaning of the word Veda? Russian language provides the answer. In the Russian language the root word "vedi" means knowledge or wisdom rather. The derived Russian word "vedat" means to perceive with the senses, to be knowledgeable of. For example, они не ведают что творят, meaning literally "they understand not what they do". The derived Russian word "videt" means simply to see with eyes. The derived Russian word "razvedka" means simply reconnisance, as in context of military intelligence. The derived Russian word "previdenie" means a spiritual vision, as in the context of a trance medium. And even English words come from the same origin, for example "vision" or "wisdom".

The Vedas are also a compilation of disparate texts, which were named as simply "wisdom" or "the knowledge" and canonized, because at one time they comprised everything that the people knew, the entire library of the local religious leader.

ARCTIC Home in the Vedas, HYPERBOREAN Origin... in the FAR NORTH, NOT Russia.

Hyperborea, huh?

Well, in order to get from Hyperborea to India, you definitely have to go through Russia, that's for sure. It's only natural that at least some of the people would be left over from the journey. And after Hyperborea sank, it is thought that they migrated to Scandinavia and/or North Russia, and those peoples are their direct descendants. Indeed many illustrations of Ancient Aryan Russia are simply titled "Hyperborea".

 

[Matvei]

Ok, so here are some pictures of traditional Russian wooden architecture. You can click on the thumbnails to see the expanded or full view of the images.

 

[Matvei]

A few more just for variety. After all, with the thumbnails format, the post doesn't take up nearly as much space.


The following house is, in my opinion, one of the best extant examples of traditional Russian wooden architecture.

Astashovo Palace – One of the Best Wooden Houses in Russia · Russia Travel Blog

 

[Matvei]

Now we go to Norway, where we see very similar wooden architecture.

 

[Matvei]

This picture is called "Battle of the Berezina", also "Napoleon crosses the Berezina".
Here is depicted the dreadful ad-hoc retreat of Napoleon Bonoparte's army out of the Russian Empire, Belarus specifically.

Berezina - Wikipedia

Battle of Berezina - Wikipedia

Here we see in the background a "Norwegian style" temple burning, possibly an act of arson by French soldiers. Strange, we are taught by official history that such style temples were in Scandinavia only, but not in Russia. Then why is such a building here? Is it because it was a pagan temple, as opposed to an Orthodox church with the onion domes? Was paganism still alive in early 19th century Russia? I think so, perhaps in the provincial regions. Tradition lives typically in the so-described "backwards" rural areas. Why were the French soldiers setting this temple on fire? Don't they have better things to do when retreating from Russia in the midst of war? Were they attempting to cleanse the historical record of such buildings, an attempt at "ethnic" cleansing, or cultural cleansing to say more accurate? How many such wooden buildings of the old Russia we lost in all of these wars, especially the Bolshevik coup, when they wholesale demolished any "reactionary" buildings?

And yet the artist Vsevolod Ivanov depicts buildings of similar architecture style existing in the Ancient Russia.

 

[Matvei]

Where are we? Where in the world are we? Is this Scandinavia or Belarus? Is this Onega, Vologda, or Vyatka?
No, this is Indonesia!
No Aryan cultural influence here! (sarcasm)

Some of these look like typical houses that can be found in a Russian village, while others look like the paintings of Vsevolod Ivanov and other Russian artists, of buildings that haven't remained yet.

 

[Matvei]

This building is in Kerala, India.

Some more buildings of traditional Indian wooden architecture.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

Well, in order to get from Hyperborea to India, you definitely have to go through Russia, that's for sure. It's only natural that at least some of the people would be left over from the journey. And after Hyperborea sank, it is thought that they migrated to Scandinavia and/or North Russia, and those peoples are their direct descendants. Indeed many illustrations of Ancient Aryan Russia are simply titled "Hyperborea".

OK, so the only way out of the sinking Hyperborea was through Scandinavia or Siberia, is that what you are claiming? Neither you, nor anyone else has any idea of the topology within the Arctic circle at that time so how can you be sure that the inhabitants of Hyperborea didn't migrate via Alaska or even Greenland, Iceland, the Shetlands and Hebrides? You can't because like you said:

All is merely speculation, I have no facts to back it up.

From your link:

"Alexander chose to use his skills to represent his visions of ancient Russia - a world of magic, beauty, and strength... Alexander Uglanov (Александр Угланов) was born in 1960 in Tver... These epic landscapes and legendary figures leave me feeling that even if some elements of this awesome past HAVE NO BASIS IN REALITY, these paintings can offer inspiration for a future world we can build."

Just like all of your 'evidence', it's all artist's impressions which are no more than artist's opinions.

The oldest timber church in the world, Greensted Church, is a historic worship site located deep into the Essex countryside. In fact, with a nave between 998 and 1063 AD, it is also the oldest wooden structure in Europe.
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Fancy that, people even built with wood in Europe...