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Electrets for low cost desalination of seawater.Note: This post was recovered from the Sh.org archive.Username: Tart AryanDate: 2019-10-29 02:17:21Reaction Score: 5
Electrets for low cost desalination of seawater.Note: This post was recovered from the Sh.org archive.Username: Tart AryanDate: 2019-10-29 02:17:21Reaction Score: 5
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Username: usselo
Date: 2019-10-29 07:13:51
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Thanks AnthroposRex, I wasn't aware of Tesla's brushless motor. I'll look it up.Tesla's brushless motor worked without additional power, once it was started. The rotating electromagnetic field pulls the metal motor around once it's up to speed.
So towards your theory, they might have only needed a spark and nature does the rest.
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Username: BStankman
Date: 2019-10-29 08:55:58
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Yes, salt plays a role for sure. I'm trying to figure out how these "ancient" starfort cities worked, they were energy generating cities in a huge energy grid. The forteress stories & made up cover-wars came after the destruction of that Empire (I call it babylonian /egyptian, but name it). I guess with the destruction came changes in the atmosphere, frequency changes, so this devices may no longer work. Furthermore almost everything has been destroyed to wipe memories of that advanced society. But they have a working WATER energy generating system, for themselves of course.
Looking at a hydrogeological map I found out, that old cities were all built over salt plugs, which are less than 400m under the surface. Plus WATER, Aquifers, that have enough pressure to install artesian wells & fountains. WATER in abundance !! So I guess all these starforts were WATERcities. Flowing WATER in canals. P. ex. Waterfalls can make magnetic shafts rotate, which produce electricity in the wires that are fixed around.
With electrolyses of saltwater you can obtain hydrogen & oxygen, both are fuels. Hydrogen burns as soon as it comes in contact with AIR. It produces HEAT & WATER.

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Username: Jaska
Date: 2019-10-29 12:34:57
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What about piezoelectricity ?That is what I am thinking this thing could be.
Not incense, but hydrogen towers.
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I think we have connected Starforts with limestone in this thread.
I guess the question would be, does the water and limestone reaction create the 1.23 volts needed for electrolysis?
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Username: Tart Aryan
Date: 2019-10-29 13:22:33
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Technically anything non magnetic can become an electret and the amount of charge it can hold is based on the amount of material. If it’s charged with a lower charge but it’s massive then that just means the charge wiuld last a really long time the bigger the object.That is what I am thinking this thing could be.
Not incense, but hydrogen towers.
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I think we have connected Starforts with limestone in this thread.
I guess the question would be, does the water and limestone reaction create the 1.23 volts needed for electrolysis?
Instead of bees wax or some other polymer, would it be possible to create an electret using a Portland cement based geo polymer?
From everything I have researched and my understanding piezoelectricity and triboelectricity is the same force as static electricity. Most of those patents and white papers using electrets talk of piezoelectricity and triboelectricity. When you research static electricity you’ll see that it is created by many things but air resistance from wind and flowing water are one way it is created. Basically the same thing as just applying pressure as in piezo electricity. I believe these 3 are all variations of the same thing.What about piezoelectricity ?
Granite glows even under hard pressure.
Maybe the ancient energy providing system based on DC ?
There have been so many spires, poles, on each buiding, look @ the Dome of Milano, all of the obelisks, the current could have been transferred through induction ?
I was quite astonished, when I read that the electric current, the electrons or holes moving, is from negative to positive pole. Except for those studying electronics, it is commonly taught that the current flows from POS to NEG, they call it technical direction. It doesn't matter for AC, as it switches polarity 50 or 60 times per seconds. But for DC it matters.
Limestone, mostly calcium carbonate, can contain bits of quartz, feldpsar, pyrite, ...Note: This post was recovered from the Sh.org archive.Username: JaskaDate: 2019-10-29 14:02:02Reaction Score: 5
Saw it on Carnival Row episode seven last night. Toward the end. HOT scene...Note: This post was recovered from the Sh.org archive.Username: StarmonkeyDate: 2019-10-29 14:35:53Reaction Score: 1
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Username: Jaska
Date: 2019-10-30 00:10:09
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yes, that's their game ... many names for the same thing to create CONfusion...
From everything I have researched and my understanding piezoelectricity and triboelectricity is the same force as static electricity. Most of those patents and white papers using electrets talk of piezoelectricity and triboelectricity. When you research static electricity you’ll see that it is created by many things but air resistance from wind and flowing water are one way it is created. Basically the same thing as just applying pressure as in piezo electricity. I believe these 3 are all variations of the same thing.
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Not sure if any of you are familiar with the magneto caloric properties of gadolinium, but at certain temperatures it is magnetic and others it is not. Being put into a magnetic field causes it’s temperature to rise and at a certain point it becomes non magnetic.

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2019-10-30 00:30:46
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Copper sulphateSaw it on Carnival Row episode seven last night. Toward the end. HOT scene...
He had water distilled from steam and vapor and some acid he added to it. Sorry, I didn't take notes.
So the steampunk world might have had more going on than we know, but it's so "magically" enticing, we know there's something...
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Username: Tart Aryan
Date: 2019-10-30 04:08:09
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Loved all the info in this but that first line really hit me. I’ve always wondered about all the different names used across cultures for the same gods, towns, etc, etc. I never once considered that was purposeful.yes, that's their game ... many names for the same thing to create CONfusion
Magnetized metalls loose that ability when they reach a certain temperature, it's called Curie temperature. For iron it is 777 ° C
Metalls are better conductors when they are cool. It's the opposite for minerals. Their resistance decreases as their temperature increases.
Mica is special, it's an extremely good conductor of heat & @ the same time an excellent electrical insulation material.
"Folding sheets of electret" reminded me of Mica sheets
I did some research today into
Oxyhydrogen is a mixture of hydrogen (H2) and oxygen (O2) gases. This gaseous mixture is used for torches to process refractory materials and was the first gaseous mixture used for welding ... "Brown's gas" and HHO are fringe science terms for oxyhydrogen
used for lighting in the 1800's - calc light - limelight
Many forms of oxyhydrogen lamps have been described, such as the limelight, which used an oxyhydrogen flame to heat a piece of lime to white hot incandescence. Because of the explosiveness of the oxyhydrogen, limelights have been replaced by electric lighting.
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Was interested to find more about HHO & those limelights & found this interesting Youtube canal WATERPOWERPLANET
don't know which one to watch first
WATERPOWERPLANET
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Funny, I just read about this Ancient Indian battery today and it utilized copper sulfate. Supposedly invented before 15,000 BCE.Copper sulphate
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Username: Witchcraft
Date: 2019-10-30 07:50:32
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You reminded me of an article I read once about chinese 'batteries' which I think were buried in the ground with copper tubes. I've tried to find it but I found this instead -The Baghdad Battery - Baghdad Battery - Wikipedia.Loved all the info in this but that first line really hit me. I’ve always wondered about all the different names used across cultures for the same gods, towns, etc, etc. I never once considered that was purposeful.
Funny, I just read about this Ancient Indian battery today and it utilized copper sulfate. Supposedly invented before 15,000 BCE.

Just dropping this tidbit here for reference as the reading took place about 20 years ago: if memory serves, numerous structures in Central and South America have extensive thin layers of mica embedded in them. This might be from the Sitchin books, but I simply don't recall as yet. I did take note though, while forming the basis for a novel.Note: This post was recovered from the Sh.org archive.Username: madroonaDate: 2019-10-30 10:33:23Reaction Score: 3
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Username: Jaska
Date: 2019-10-30 11:38:53
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I didn't know much about it either, started research. I think it is even better your mind has never been distorted through mainstream science. They mislead & create confusion. Yes, on purpose !I don't have the knowledge to understand a lot of this thread but it's great to see all walks of life coming together to try and figure this out.
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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2019-10-30 13:04:35
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Teotihuacan in Mexico had some floors of several inch thick mica as well as large amounts of liquid mercury found underground...Just dropping this tidbit here for reference as the reading took place about 20 years ago: if memory serves, numerous structures in Central and South America have extensive thin layers of mica embedded in them. This might be from the Sitchin books, but I simply don't recall as yet. I did take note though, while forming the basis for a novel.
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Username: Tart Aryan
Date: 2019-10-30 18:12:32
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Layers of Mica on them would tell me they were trying to hold a charge in. Layers of Mica in them could just be rock formation or another question.Just dropping this tidbit here for reference as the reading took place about 20 years ago: if memory serves, numerous structures in Central and South America have extensive thin layers of mica embedded in them. This might be from the Sitchin books, but I simply don't recall as yet. I did take note though, while forming the basis for a novel.
The Indian battery is called the Rishi Battery.You reminded me of an article I read once about chinese 'batteries' which I think were buried in the ground with copper tubes. I've tried to find it but I found this instead -The Baghdad Battery - Baghdad Battery - Wikipedia.
I don't have the knowledge to understand a lot of this thread but it's great to see all walks of life coming together to try and figure this out.
Edited bit as I don't want to spam my nonsense, but this thread's made me wonder that maybe 'spontaneous ' human combustion, might not be so mysterious after all.
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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-10-30 18:46:15
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I know some but not all google mediaples run on a metal box about a metre or rwo in size that contains a water splitting tech that produces hydrogen and oxygen and they use the hydrogen to generate electricity.When I heard people were upset here in Bissen, as Giggle plans to install themselves there & they would need 10% of Luxemburgs Drinkwater, I knew they would use it to generate electricity. But how ?
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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2019-10-30 18:58:20
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Just like Tesla... And Reich... And...I know some but not all google mediaples run on a metal box about a metre or rwo in size that contains a water splitting tech that produces hydrogen and oxygen and they use the hydrogen to generate electricity.
Cannot remember the name of the company but is an American company and they make the etch in home sized units, or the did but the United States government banned the sale of them, if memory is serving.
Tart Aryan thanks for jumping in. You have supplied a lot of useful information.Note: This post was recovered from the Sh.org archive.Username: DielectricDate: 2019-10-30 23:22:00Reaction Score: 10
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Username: Tart Aryan
Date: 2019-10-31 01:32:42
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I really appreciate you writing all of that out. I feel as though sometimes in my head for the briefest of moments I’m onto something huge and it clicks and then falls apart. I think that’s the reason we’re all here and why this place is so great on a multitude of topics. Definitely making progress on some stuff and theorizing and those theories are panning out. There is a lot I have yet to share.Tart Aryan thanks for jumping in. You have supplied a lot of useful information.
I can see you've been working on this for a while, by yourself evidently, and I can't devote too much energy to it just yet. My intent here is to try to steer you towards some information which I am about positive can help you a great deal, so I hope this doesn't come across too poorly because I recognize that you have been on this for a long time and know a great deal about electrets. I wish I knew as much but I'm occupied with a different matter, however it's not so far off from your own interest that I don't have a sense of what going on with electets.
If you don't know of Ken Wheeler and his book and video's you will want to check them out, I mean you seriously need to absolutely read the book and probably watch his video's, because with what you already know I am positive this information will put the light of day in what you already possess. Don't expect this information to be an immediate light switch, though it might do that too, but expect it will take time to assimilate and become ever more logical.
You can download his 3rd edition for free or buy the 4th edition. Think he's working on the 5th editon.
Uncovering the missing Secrets of Magnetism : Ken L Wheeler : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism Exploring the nature of Magnetism, with regards to the true model of atomic geometry and field mechanics by means of rational physics & logic
With what you already know, and if given what Wheeler can teach you, (as he's taught me), you should be able to come up with some considerable improvements over and above the academically challenged: I speak from experience here BTW. I'm too busy with my own self made problems to become too involved but maybe we can trade some info from time to time.
Magnetism and electricity are the same energy. The energy comes from the background so to speak because it's energy and hence it's not with a dimension. There are only two dimensions; ours and counterspace, which is the proper term for this energy field as theorized by Charles Protez Steinmetz. Counterspace is the either, radiant energy, and zero point. The correct term is counterspace for all those names.
Charles Proteus Steinmetz - Wikipedia
A magnet cycles this energy through a center point: It circulates it. Electricity is this same energy under stress: It follows a conductor which puts stress on the natural pathway it would otherwise take: it's path is an electrical circuit. This isn't something that's automatically grasped unless you've been indoctrinated with how a magnet produces magnetism.
The cross relationship between electricity and magnetism is due to how mass gains weight, which we call gravity, which is in truth a magneto-electrical retardation in a medium, that medium is Stenimetz Counterspace; though it's easier to think of gavity as being the product of induction of energy.
Walter Russell came to basically the same conclusion about gravity. Gravity is caused by a magneto-electric effect. Wheeler has now proven what a magnet is and how it works and which we now can visually see using a ferrocell viewer when looking at a magnetic field and some of the same qualities in other matter as well.
Every part of the Universe is filled with a high velocity energy field and that space is what's called counterspace because it's an energy field: Mathematically calculated to be moving at about 10 billion times the speed of light (our local speed of light) this energy field passes through matter nearly unimpeded, it's perturbed by matter and spirals inwards to a center point.
In a magnet, there is an inertial plane, which is highly visible using a ferrocell lens, the inertial plane is an accretion disk that brings the counterspatial energy to a focused point called the "point source." This terminology is important to remember because it is being defined right now to mean a specific thing. Point source means a point where counterspatial energy radiates from. It is the point where weight in mass is concentrated and this is specifically important to understanding how a "False Mass" drives a hyperspace ship.
My focus and study has been on decipering anti-gravity. Wheeler says there can be only two basic types of antigravity drives. Repulsion/repulsine and false mass drives. He is correct in this BTW. A false mass is one that is essentially re-locating the source point of a given mass to another point in space, and because matter creates a disorganized incoherent magnetic field in matter then any other mass results in mutal mass attraction. Thus any falsely located mass will pull a real mass of matter towards it. This is the basic idea of how a true hyperdrive works.
I think if you read and start listening to Wheeler your existing depth of knowledge will gel with what he has to offer. Just judging by what you have shown me so far, I think that you can use Wheelers information to see a way that's more advanced, or at least be able to see the real science being used in advanced electrets even if it's not being acknowledged.
Hope this is helpful. I'll try to skim through some of the material you've posted.
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Username: Dielectric
Date: 2019-10-31 10:32:31
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Yea, I understand that, I can relate to it well. However, in my case, as is always the case when you're on the right path, information will gel and come together, which it has for us now with so-called antigravity. We definitely understand the principles of how it works and are now working on replicating and experimentation using what has been deciphered."I feel as though sometimes in my head for the briefest of moments I’m onto something huge and it clicks and then falls apart."
I don't think Ken is missing much, not in terms of the fundamental basic reality of how Universe works, for example: Mathematically the smallest pixialtion of matterm according to quantum physics is in the form of a Tetrahedron: It's not an accident that Star War used that shape to depict Star Destroyers. This shape is mathematically calculated to be the shape which forms the building blocks of our reality and hence it's relationship to gravity and the fabric of the Universe. There is nothing wrong with this formulation, except the description of this shape relationship to matter is itself wrong, because it's not matter which is described by this shape, rather it is energy itself.As for Wheeler I’m definitely familiar and he has several things he theorizes that actually led me to him because I fully agree. I think he’s on the right path on a lot and I’ve definitely learned from him. I think he’s missing one tiny thing though that really keeps him from putting it all solidly together. Unfortunately, we all are or we’d be onto something else right?
Wheeler said long before this linked patent I've included that there really is no such thing as super conduction. That is, super conductivity is only the unimpeded movement of counterspace. This was a little bamboozling for a while. Now recently there's been three patents that were released. This one is the most significant of the three.As for your research into anti-gravity you’re absolutely on the right path in your search. Before I ever heard of Wheeler in looking at Electromagnetism I noticed the attractors and repulsors in space. Then I noticed they line up with magnetic and electric torsion in their form. Essentially you have these black holes at one point and white hole at another like a south north pole setup. They swirl everything into a disc and then form a cone where they converge. Not sure if my description is good enough, but we’re definitely talking the same language. Anyways that shape and function is what led me to Wheeler.
Just remember what I said about corrupt science and official academia. If it weren't for Tesla we would all be strangled by power cords and energy stations every few blocks thanks to the criminal Edison.So why does that matter. Well in reading about these conical funnels from accretion discs I read about a study some university did soon after where they said the flow of the magnetic particle flows in this toroidal pattern and speeds up as it enters this conical funnel. I’m thinking in my head black hole consuming something from our perspective on a microscopic scale. Anyways it hits a certain point in that funnel and it disappears from reality and almost instantaneously shoots out from the opposite funnel. Picture 2 funnels connected via the small end. Basically like a white hole. Then it zooms out into that toroidal band and slows in the center of the outer bulge before it slowly gets drawn back faster and faster towards the opposite funnel and repeats the process. The study though was interested in how that particle disappears in that funnel at a certain point and reappears shooting out from the other side instantly. The distance it jumps is tiny but in comparison to the particle it may have well been the distance across the milky way. I always thought somewhere in there is the secret to FTL. I don’t think that particle was disappearing and reappearing, I think it sped up so fast it seemed to disappear.