"Once we have a better idea of how history played out, and we can agree on the most likely string of events, we have to figure out a way to bridge the religion gap."
We do have an idea. A. pretty clear one.
You say this, but...
If you read the many posts on SH you might get an idea of how a lot of events may have played out in favor of the Nazi Party and its escaped minions. WW2 just sort of ended. The Allies "sort of" won.
WW2 didn't just sort of end, and the defenders in the last battles of the war, were they alive today, would likely be pretty insulted by such a nonchalant statement. This article on
Siege of Budapest describes in painstaking detail how the last real battle of the war transpired, and its ramifications. I'd like to include few excerpts from the article, if I may:
historynet.com said:
For Adolf Hitler, Budapest was vital. It was the capital of Germany’s last remaining ally in Europe and the gateway to Vienna and southern Bavaria. In addition, the Axis’ only remaining crude oil plant was in southwest Hungary.
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The German Ninth SS Mountain Corps, under the command of SS Obergruppenführer (Lt. Gen.) Karl von Pfeffer-Wildenbruch, a police general sent to Hungary in September 1944, was trapped in Budapest. The garrison consisted of roughly seventy thousand German and Hungarian soldiers. Troop quality ranged from excellent to substandard. Comprising the core of the garrison were several first-class German fighting units, including most of the Feldherrnhalle Panzergrenadier Division, the depleted Thirteenth Panzer Division, the Eighth SS Cavalry Division, and the recently formed Twenty-second SS Maria Theresa Cavalry Division.
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On December 24, 1944, Hitler, over the heated objections of much of his staff, ordered SS Obergruppenführer (Lt. Gen.) Herbert Gille to immediately prepare his formidable Fourth SS Panzer Corps, then refitting in the Warsaw area, for deployment to Hungary to relieve the encircled German corps in Budapest. Thus began the disproportionate buildup of German panzer forces in Hungary during a period of extreme peril on both the Eastern and Western fronts. By March 1945 six elite Waffen SS panzer divisions and a quarter of all available Wehrmacht panzer divisions would be committed to Hungary, ostensibly to retain the Reich’s last remaining strategic oil reserves.
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An eyewitness described the chaos:
"The bombing was constant. It was very dangerous to go outside. Many people died while running for water, or just going to the courtyard for a cigarette. We went down into the cellar on December 29 and until the fall of Buda on February 12, we lived a rat’s life."
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Both sides recognized that the Battle of Budapest was developing into the bloodiest and most sustained siege since Stalingrad.
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A brief orgy of horror and violence ensued in Buda after its capture. An estimated two thousand wounded were burned or suffocated to death in fires that broke out in the catacombs under the Royal Palace. Soviet soldiers plundered, looted, and raped the populace. Occupation troops rounded up all able-bodied Hungarian men and youth and sent them down to the Danube to build pontoon bridges across the river. For weeks afterward, especially after the spring thaw, bloated bodies piled up against these same pontoons and bridge pylons.
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Budapest lay in ruins. Thousands of structures were destroyed or damaged. The distinctive Parliament building and Royal Palace were gutted, and all five of the city’s unique and graceful bridges lay broken in the Danube.
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There is an epilogue to Budapest’s fall. Hitler committed significant reserves to Hungary, including the battered Sixth SS Panzer Army fresh from the Ardennes counteroffensive. Consisting of four of the most battle-hardened Waffen SS Panzer units, including the dreaded Leibstandarte and Das Reich divisions, this formidable force was squandered in early March during an ill-conceived panzer ‘death ride’ into waiting and well-prepared Soviet anti-tank defenses near Lake Balaton.
Handily defeated by the now highly proficient Soviets, this reverse of Hitler’s best divisions finally broke German resistance in Hungary. Within a month Vienna had fallen. The war in Europe ended three weeks later.
The last pocket of resistance held out bitterly to the very end, and well after their resources were depleted did the house of cards come toppling down.
Russia lost 27 million people. (Some say 35). The Allies? One million if that.
The Russian casualty numbers are no doubt greatly inflated. I wouldn't be surprised if that magical 6 million suffering in Eastern Europe, whom the MSM wrote about constantly since the early 1900s, were included in that number. The victims of Holodomor are probably in there, too.
The lack of Allied losses, however, should be an indication that war against the West was never an objective of the Reich. The same cannot be said in reverse.
• Germany was 100% rebuilt to stave off Russian incursion, but that wasn't the only reason. Just look at their car companies, military weapon sales, and banks today. In the 1950's and 60s, VW sales around the world were in the millions. (Porsche AG).
Was Italy or Japan rebuilt to this standard? No. Ask yourself why.
Japan was most definitely rebuilt, and like Germany ended up as a pinnacle of high-tech in the far east. Where do you think brands like: Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Mazda, Lexus, Infinity, Acura, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Bridgestone, Yokohama, Sony, Panasonic, Canon, Toshiba, Nikon, Fujitsu, Hitachi, Sharp, Seiko, Citizen, Epson, JVC, Maxell, Pioneer, Casio, Kenwood, TDK and Sanyo came from? There are more brands I did not care to include listed
here. A lot of these brands were known world-wide by the 80s. This was similar to the South Korean money injection, though much smaller in scale, that resulted in sub-standard brands like Samsung, LG, Daewoo, Kia, Hyundai and the like.
As for Italy, that's a different matter. I would lump Italy with the rest of the Mediterranean nations who are circling around bankruptcy to this day. Some economists colloquially refer to this collection of nations as the
PIGS countries (for Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain), and I believe the aim of destabilizing these nations is so the nice coastal lands could be purchased by the elite for pennies on the dollar. Tuscany comes to mind right off the bat, but I'm sure locals can provide more examples of seaside mansions, very obviously not owned by locals, littering their landscape.
• The UK and America benefitted greatly from Project Paperclip technology and scientists.
• Big banks made out like bandits. 1940-present.
• Corporations and military contractors made money in many countries, especially Germany, Russia, and America. 1945-present.
100% agree with the above, my only comment relating to Operation Paperclip is that those scientists most likely didn't have much of a choice in moving overseas, so the assumption of them going willingly to join their "masters" may be folly. What do you think would have happened to them if they said they were not going to the US, and instead were going to help rebuild their nation?
• Swiss gold reserves under the OCTOGON Group benefitted Nazis in Argentina.
• A good case can be made for a "Fourth Reich" in America starting in 1952.
This is where the slippery slope really starts. I've only heard of the Argentinian Nazis in passing from a cousin a few years ago, who saw some show about it on
The Discovery Channel, and dismissed it as just an oddity at the time. I've not heard of this Octagon Group or Switzerland until now, but having spent a few of hours last night to look into it just made my head spin. This South African doctorate of history, when he wasn't assembling various shapes out of triangles to prove how various historical symbols were related, kept going on about Swiss Roman Nazi Pharoahic Templar Freemasons of the Octagon, who were also somehow related to the Whores of Babylon.
You know what I didn't hear him utter a single word about? You guessed it, the Talmudic Babylonian Bankers, the Federal Reserve, and the like. Not a single word. The only time Jews came up was when he explained how they weren't responsible for 9/11, because apparently they're too blabby and can't keep a secret. On my initial search for the "Octagon Group" this Benjamin dude kept popping up in the search results related to it, so I had to amend my search term with "-Benjamin" to explicitly exclude those results. When I searched for Switzerland financing Hitler, guess whose articles popped up? The
ADL and
Fox News, among others. IMO, if we're looking for alternate sources for possible theories, anything that The Discovery Channel, Fox News or the ADL propagates does not quality.
I could list a dozen contradictions from that guy's presentation, but this is neither the time nor the place for it. I'll see if I can find less of a shill as a source to continue the research and post my thoughts on a related thread, but currently this very much smells like a psyop to me. Regardless, before we try to figure out the next steps, we should figure out who this invisible enemy is. Is it the Pharoahic Nazis or the Talmudic bankers, or are they one and the same? Ugh, that just made my head spin again.
• The Cold War was mostly BS, but kept the world order circling around the USA/USSR conflict.
• The Space Race was all about Cold War politics and most likely UFO technology hidden behind public space programs.
On and on...
No comment on these, merely that the Cold War definitely looked different from the other side of the Wall / Iron Curtain, and even when these nations regained their so-called freedom, they still remain 2nd class citizen, at best, of the European Union. There's a cynical saying in Hungarian for the "liberation" of the East that goes something like this: "Out go the tanks, in come the banks". From one trap, right into another. Then again, isn't this the same Standard Operating Procedure for basically every Western intervention of the last century? If we want to talk about something that "just sorta happened", the way the Wall and the Iron Curtain dropped from one day to the next would be an excellent topic for another thread.
• As for the "H. H. Asquith Letters to Venetia Stanley"
Good luck finding bits of genuine truth in any books or archived letters. The PTB have carefully managed the truth of WW2. They have micromanaged every scrap of evidence. They have put out countless books whose authors are sadly misinformed by mainstream sources, or were on the Cabal payroll. Or they were blackmailed.
Anything close to the truth will only be found in alternative books and videos on the subject.
Who really won the war? I don't think anyone really did.
I'll definitely start expanding my reading material on the forums, but the reason I brought up those 2 titles is because they were cited by a researcher during one of his lectures as presenting a different angle of WWI. This guy has spent decades of his life researching the World Wars, and given that these sources were both British Prime Ministers whom the MSM has tried to discredit of late, makes them even more intriguing. Unlike stories airing on Discovery Channel, the collection of letters in particular remained in private hands
until years after Asquith's death (1928), and I assume until after her death, too (1948). To me, this qualifies as an alternate source that may have avoided the purge, and that it specifically talks about contents of some documents that were destroyed during/after WW1 is just cherry on the cake.
Forget bridging any religious gaps, thats a fruitless endeavor.
I don't think you can "fight a war" while your backyard is on fire. Metaphorically speaking, of course.