The True History of the American Civil War (War of Rebellion)

[Deleted member 37]

Using google ngram, we can see that yankee was used much prior to new englander. New Englander could be a term used to describe the yankees when the english saw yankees in America.

My concern with google ngram is that it doesn't show the bibliography and so for me its utility is somewhat questionable. Your idea of New Englander used instead of Yankees could be true if there was an appropriation of Yankee's history as it is implied in the original story of the "passage" of the name to the New Englanders by the Yankees who recognised their valour. But this story seems akward to me since "Yankees" was a term apparently used as their real name as a nation. And Yankee is too similar to Cherokee to be a coincidence, imo.

I am sincerily surprised to have NEVER seen a discussion on this aspect. It is so "in your face". Does it trigger some shameful memory of the past? Or is it just the more common brainwashing which has hidden these aspects in plain sight? The Sonneck guy acted in the moment in time when the USA changed owner, so to say, and was head of the music division of the Library of Congress. I would like the opinion of the modern Yankees

 

[Worsaae]

My concern with google ngram is that it doesn't show the bibliography and so for me its utility is somewhat questionable. Your idea of New Englander used instead of Yankees could be true if there was an appropriation of Yankee's history as it is implied in the original story of the "passage" of the name to the New Englanders by the Yankees who recognised their valour. But this story seems akward to me since "Yankees" was a term apparently used as their real name as a nation. And Yankee is too similar to Cherokee to be a coincidence, imo.

I am sincerily surprised to have NEVER seen a discussion on this aspect. It is so "in your face". Does it trigger some shameful memory of the past? Or is it just the more common brainwashing which has hidden these aspects in plain sight? The Sonneck guy acted in the moment in time when the USA changed owner, so to say, and was head of the music division of the Library of Congress. I would like the opinion of the modern Yankees

Let's say Yankees lived in the US as a tribe before the English officially arrived in the Americas, let's remember that the vikings visited the Americas 500 years prior to Columbus according to mainstream history and that most american tribes have stories of red headed giants and white people prior to the discovery (dis - cover) of America, and that the English are the same ethnicity as the vikings; anglos a part of Denmark (although this history is questionable in itself but that's for another thread).
Now once the English arrived in the Americas and settled here to establish and expand the English Kingdom, it stands to reason that you would want to include the people already living there into your identity, so that they feel included in your Kingdom. New Englanders seems a fitting name for that, and if the "New Englanders" were of the same ethnicity as the "Old Englanders" arriving in the Americas, then it works well.
I know one of the most used tricks to rewrite history is to change the meaning of words or by changing the context of words, which shapes the thoughts of people. An example of that is Native American -> White American, then Indian -> Native American. By changing words, we can change thoughts and perspectives.

To look into this with regards to the civil war, I think it is useful to look into which language people spoke if that's possible. I know that German was in widespread use in the Americas before the 1900s and king George is of germanic/gothic heritage.

 

[Deleted member 37]

Let's say Yankees lived in the US as a tribe before the English officially arrived in the Americas, let's remember that the vikings visited the Americas 500 years prior to Columbus according to mainstream history and that most american tribes have stories of red headed giants and white people prior to the discovery (dis - cover) of America, and that the English are the same ethnicity as the vikings; anglos a part of Denmark (although this history is questionable in itself but that's for another thread).
Now once the English arrived in the Americas and settled here to establish and expand the English Kingdom, it stands to reason that you would want to include the people already living there into your identity, so that they feel included in your Kingdom. New Englanders seems a fitting name for that, and if the "New Englanders" were of the same ethnicity as the "Old Englanders" arriving in the Americas, then it works well.
I know one of the most used tricks to rewrite history is to change the meaning of words or by changing the context of words, which shapes the thoughts of people. An example of that is Native American -> White American, then Indian -> Native American. By changing words, we can change thoughts and perspectives.

To look into this with regards to the civil war, I think it is useful to look into which language people spoke if that's possible. I know that German was in widespread use in the Americas before the 1900s and king George is of germanic/gothic heritage.

The most akward thing to me is that if you google "Yankee", this is what you find...

... candles and baseball!!! I am really surprised by the fact that many Americans seem to be extremely focused on Romans, British Monarchy, Vatican and Nazixxx when in reality the place in which most of events went down is America itself. Where the Yankees disappeared? Genocide?

 

[Worsaae]

The most akward thing to me is that if you google "Yankee", this is what you find...

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... candles and baseball!!! I am really surprised by the fact that many Americans seem to be extremely focused on Romans, British Monarchy, Vatican and Nazixxx when in reality the place in which most of events went down is America itself. Where the Yankees disappeared? Genocide?

Who is to say that the yankees disappeared? How many preussians do you see walking around today?

 

[Deleted member 37]

Who is to say that the yankees disappeared? How many preussians do you see walking around today?

Culturally speaking though... they are synonim with candles and baseball. Their heritage has been destroyed, so... let's talk about Nazisss

 

[Deleted member 1432]

"The origin of the word Yankee. There are several theories as to the origin of the word, but the prevailing theory is that was a dismissive reference by the British towards American colonists and the Dutch origins of many northeast settlers. It is believed to be a corruption of Janke, or little Jan, a common Dutch name." (Article)

Sounds a bit like the Ignatius/Nazi connection.

So what's a "Yankee Doodle Dandy" then?

"The song "Yankee Doodle Dandy" became popular among the British as well as the rebels. A doodle was a simpleton and the phrase "stuck a feather in his hat and called it macaroni" implied the backwoods bumpkins could put a feather in their coonskin hats and think they were as elegant as European in the latest Italian style -- the "macaroni." (Article)

"I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy
A Yankee Doodle, do or die
A real live nephew of my Uncle Sam
Born on the Fourth of July

!I've got a Yankee Doodle sweetheart
She's my Yankee Doodle joy
Yankee Doodle came to London
Just to ride the ponies
I am the Yankee Doodle Boy"
(by George M. Cohan... obviously the pasta-free version)

"The earliest words of "Yankee Doodle" came from a Middle Dutch harvest song which is thought to have followed the same tune, possibly dating back as far as 15th-century Holland. It contained mostly nonsensical words in English and Dutch: "Yanker, didel, doodle down, Diddle, dudel, lanther, Yanke viver, voover vown, Botermilk und tanther." Farm laborers in Holland were paid "as much buttermilk (Botermilk) as they could drink, and a tenth (tanther) of the grain" (Wikipiddlia)

 

[Deleted member 37]

So what's a "Yankee Doodle Dandy" then?

"The song "Yankee Doodle Dandy" became popular among the British as well as the rebels. A doodle was a simpleton and the phrase "stuck a feather in his hat and called it macaroni" implied the backwoods bumpkins could put a feather in their coonskin hats and think they were as elegant as European in the latest Italian style -- the "macaroni." (Article)

"I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy
A Yankee Doodle, do or die
A real live nephew of my Uncle Sam
Born on the Fourth of July

!I've got a Yankee Doodle sweetheart
She's my Yankee Doodle joy
Yankee Doodle came to London
Just to ride the ponies
I am the Yankee Doodle Boy"
(by George M. Cohan... obviously the pasta-free version)

"The earliest words of "Yankee Doodle" came from a Middle Dutch harvest song which is thought to have followed the same tune, possibly dating back as far as 15th-century Holland. It contained mostly nonsensical words in English and Dutch: "Yanker, didel, doodle down, Diddle, dudel, lanther, Yanke viver, voover vown, Botermilk und tanther." Farm laborers in Holland were paid "as much buttermilk (Botermilk) as they could drink, and a tenth (tanther) of the grain" (Wikipiddlia)

I think this explanation goes back to the Oscar Sonneck I was talking about, or at least partially (Yankee - Wikipedia). In fact I think he has a point in showing the similarity of these words with Middle Dutch which by the way is said to have been "spoken and written between 1150 and 1500" (Middle Dutch - Wikipedia). But still remains the problem with the name Yankee itself and its connection with Cherokee. Were the Cherokee of "Germanic" origin as well (if the proposal of a Viking origin for the Yankee is true, obviously)? Or is it possible that the Yankees, of European origin, really took the name of the Indian tribe as consistently told before the official debunking by Sonneck?
We should investigate this guy. Sadly, I don't know where to begin. I need American HELP! Is there someone interested in this subject? HELP!!!

Could there be a connection between the Yankees and the Afrikaners (Afrikaners - Wikipedia)? Is it possible to search the etimology of Yankee and Cherokee in Afrikaans language (Afrikaans - Wikipedia)?

 

[Sigian]

The Civil war is a pit of disinformation. Sherman had serious mental issues, (Barnes Report) and couldn't mount a horse let alone .. drive to the sea and wipe out the south! Sherman's neckties are a case in point - according to the official narrative: Union Soldiers were so appalled by slavery that they set bonfires and melted railway ties - and tied them in knots. Would any child believe that tale? We know from the Madrid Fault - that the Mississippi ran backwards - leading to a Mudflood and massive uprooting of N. America! Only Children would buy this tale!

Weren't the Rothchilds known for disinformation on both sides of a conflict? Remember the Napoleonic Wars? Rothschild bet on both sides, the longer it goes, the more profitable. Feed all sides wrong information, conflicts arise, profit some more. Seems like anviscious cycle. Maybe that's why Lincoln was killed.

 

[Deleted member 37]

I think this explanation goes back to the Oscar Sonneck I was talking about, or at least partially (Yankee - Wikipedia). In fact I think he has a point in showing the similarity of these words with Middle Dutch which by the way is said to have been "spoken and written between 1150 and 1500" (Middle Dutch - Wikipedia). But still remains the problem with the name Yankee itself and its connection with Cherokee. Were the Cherokee of "Germanic" origin as well (if the proposal of a Viking origin for the Yankee is true, obviously)? Or is it possible that the Yankees, of European origin, really took the name of the Indian tribe as consistently told before the official debunking by Sonneck?
We should investigate this guy. Sadly, I don't know where to begin. I need American HELP! Is there someone interested in this subject? HELP!!!

Could there be a connection between the Yankees and the Afrikaners (Afrikaners - Wikipedia)? Is it possible to search the etimology of Yankee and Cherokee in Afrikaans language (Afrikaans - Wikipedia)?

One step closer to the truth?

Black Dutch (genealogy) - Wikipedia

"Before the Indian Removal Act in 1830, many of Lawrence County's Cherokee people were already mixed with white settlers and stayed in the country of the Warrior Mountains. They denied their ancestry and basically lived much of their lives in fear of being sent West. Full bloods claimed to be Black Irish or Black Dutch, thus denying their rightful Native American blood. After being fully assimilated into the general population years later, these Irish Cherokee mixed-blood descendants, began reclaiming their Native American heritage in the land of the Warrior Mountains, Lawrence County, Alabama. During the 1900 U.S. Census only 78 people claimed their Native American heritage. In 1990, more than 2000 individuals claimed Native American descent. Today more than 4000 citizens are proud to claim their Native American heritage and are members of the Echota Cherokee tribe."

"There are strong indications that the original "Black Dutch" were swarthy-complexioned Germans. Anglo-Americans loosely applied the term to any dark-complexioned American of European descent. The term was adopted [by some people] as an attempt to disguise Indian or infrequently, tri-racial descent. By the mid-19th century, the term had become an American colloquialism; a derogative term for anything denoting one's small stature, dark coloring, working-class status, political sentiments or anyone of foreign extract. In contrast to the Anglo-surnamed Melungeons, nearly 60% of American families reporting Black Dutch tradition bear surnames that are either decidedly German or possibly Americanized from Germanic origin."

Cherokees today...

 

[Deleted member 1432]

With reference to racial mixing, it shouldn't be forgotten that the Spanish were there before most other Europeans.

 

[Deleted member 37]

With reference to racial mixing, it shouldn't be forgotten that the Spanish were there before most other Europeans.

And the Netherlands were part of the Spanish Crown from 1556 to 1714 (Spanish Netherlands - Wikipedia)

 

[Deleted member 1432]

And the Netherlands were part of the Spanish Crown from 1556 to 1714 (Spanish Netherlands - Wikipedia)

Yes and the Dutch East India Company predated the British one... the plot thickens

Could the Civil War have been a fight for supremacy between the two East India Companies?

 

[Deleted member 37]

Yes and the Dutch East India Company predated the British one... the plot thickens

Could the Civil War have been a fight for supremacy between the two East India Companies?

This is what I am subconsciously thinking: Holy Roman Empire against the new un-named modern powers with their operational base in Britain. But I think it's better to turn back for the moment and look into more details

 

[Deleted member 1432]

This is what I am subconsciously thinking: Holy Roman Empire against the new un-named modern powers with their operational base in Britain. But I think it's better to turn back for the moment and look into more details

Strangely enough I am working on something else that also seems to support a similar hypothesis related to the Civil War. However, for now there's this:

"When the word filibuster is used today, it is most often in reference to political act of extending a debate in order to prevent a vote on an issue. In nineteenth century America, the term filibuster took on a different tone. Instead, it referred to the violent and treasonous acts by Americans to extend slavery into Central and South America. A major figure in the filibuster was William Walker, “the grey-eyed man of destiny”, who led several filibustering expeditions in Mexico and South America before being executed in Honduras in 1860. Though unsuccessful like the movement as a whole, Walker and filibustering are another example of the violent events concerning the extension of slavery that preceded the Civil War." (Article)

 

[Deleted member 37]

Strangely enough I am working on something else that also seems to support a similar hypothesis related to the Civil War. However, for now there's this:

"When the word filibuster is used today, it is most often in reference to political act of extending a debate in order to prevent a vote on an issue. In nineteenth century America, the term filibuster took on a different tone. Instead, it referred to the violent and treasonous acts by Americans to extend slavery into Central and South America. A major figure in the filibuster was William Walker, “the grey-eyed man of destiny”, who led several filibustering expeditions in Mexico and South America before being executed in Honduras in 1860. Though unsuccessful like the movement as a whole, Walker and filibustering are another example of the violent events concerning the extension of slavery that preceded the Civil War." (Article)

And also "The English term "filibuster" derives from the Spanish filibustero, itself deriving originally from the Dutch vrijbuiter, 'privateer, pirate, robber' (also the root of English freebooter)." (Filibuster (military) - Wikipedia)

My knowledge of this time period and places is very minute though. I am navigating by sight.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

"There are eight States in the United States Confederation, who between them borrowed £15,040,000 from London in the good old days a century ago [1834], and who have since been too proud to pay either principal or interest. These original borrowings in these American defaults are:

"The Council of Foreign Bondholders in 1930 asserted that the arrears of interest on the American defaulted loans had accumulated to the sum of £52,339,200.”
(‘The Financiers and the Nation’ 1934, by The Rt. Hon. Thomas Johnston, P.C. ex Lord Privy Seal)

This list is missing only Texas, Tennessee and Virginia to cover all of the southern states involved in the uprising.

These loans were made at a time when the same British based financiers were making similar loans to most South American 'states' in order to overthrow Spanish rule. Most of these 'loans' were never repaid either.

[Edit: to remove "(under the control of Rothschild)" which may not have been the case.]

 

[Deleted member 37]

I am currently looking into the word "Yankee" in the Historic American Newspapers and the first mention is about a Yankee privateer... interesting! (The Newport gazette. [volume] (Newport [R.I.]) 1777-1779, September 04, 1777, Image 2)

EDIT @Will Scarlet
Trivia: "Last night Capt. Bowles, chief of the embassy of the Creeks and Cherokee Indians, was initiated into the mysteries of Free Masonry." (Gazette of the United-States. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1789-1793, April 02, 1791, Page 802, Image 2)
Emmet Starr, an early historian of the Cherokee, describes Bowles as "being decidedly Gaelic in appearance, having light eyes, red hair, and somewhat freckled." (The Bowl (Cherokee chief) - Wikipedia)

By the way, in the treaties with various Indian Nations, the Cherokees are the only ones without a single member named (Gazette of the United-States. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1789-1793, September 15, 1790, Page 595, Image 3)

 

[Worsaae]

I am currently looking into the word "Yankee" in the Historic American Newspapers and the first mention is about a Yankee privateer... interesting! (The Newport gazette. [volume] (Newport [R.I.]) 1777-1779, September 04, 1777, Image 2)

EDIT @Will Scarlet
Trivia: "Last night Capt. Bowles, chief of the embassy of the Creeks and Cherokee Indians, was initiated into the mysteries of Free Masonry." (Gazette of the United-States. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1789-1793, April 02, 1791, Page 802, Image 2)
Emmet Starr, an early historian of the Cherokee, describes Bowles as "being decidedly Gaelic in appearance, having light eyes, red hair, and somewhat freckled." (The Bowl (Cherokee chief) - Wikipedia)

By the way, in the treaties with various Indian Nations, the Cherokees are the only ones without a single member named (Gazette of the United-States. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1789-1793, September 15, 1790, Page 595, Image 3)

Bowles is half Cherokee and half Scottish apparently

 

[Deleted member 37]

Bowles is half Cherokee and half Scottish apparently

He fits well in the general category of Black Dutch imo. What is almost astonishing is the high number of these supposedly native aboriginal Indian chiefs with European background. And their actions should be investigated. Bowles "led the first large Cherokee emigration west across the Mississippi River in 1809"... that should mean something imo

Was it colonisation disguised as forced immigration of native Indians?

Also @Worsaae, note that in the article he is called Bowles and not by his presumed true name Di'wali...

 

[Deleted member 1432]

This painting depicts the 'Caste' system that was prevalent in South America when it was under Spanish rule. It's possible that a similar system existed in North America, therefore the word 'Yankee' could have been part of the terminology used for a specific racial mix, like Dutch/Cherokee for example. Although you would expect to hear similar terms that have filtered down describing other racial mixes I suppose, but I can't think of any - maybe our US members know of some?