This star is older than the Universe

[Timeshifter]

Yes, you read that correctly. There is no end in sight to this stuff.

Originally thought to be 16 billion years old, with the universe thought to be 14.3 billion...



'Bond and his collaborators estimated HD 140283's age to be 14.46 billion years — a significant reduction on the 16 billion previously claimed. That was, however, still more than the age of the universe itself, but the scientists posed a residual uncertainty of 800 million years, which Bond said made the star's age compatible with the age of the universe, even though it wasn't entirely perfect'

How are even fast asleep people still accepting this stuff.

Garbage

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[Huaqero]

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Date: 2019-10-17 16:46:38
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Even though I am an amateur astronomer, not active for some 6-7 years though, I started paying less and less attention to absolute numbers of datings and other calculations. Ok, they are right to make estimations but they should keep it that way, instead of making announcements with absolute numbers and 'hitting the wall' numerous times, like this one...

Btw, in a recent post of mine I added a twitter interaction I had with a planetary scientist. Please, take a look ...

• 400 year old Sahara Desert, or why people forgot everything they knew about Africa

 

[Archive]

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2019-10-17 17:00:59
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Whistling in the dark...
"Scientists say..." Blah, blah, blah.
"Experts say..."
Garbage collectors and pimps and hustlers.
Empty titles. Labels. Designations.
Back to the garden...

 

[anotherlayer]

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Date: 2019-10-17 17:58:55
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Books we've never read written by people we've never met. Science is the new religion and just about every one I know will argue against the research you've made with the defense of "these are scientists and historians and PhDs".

 

[Archive]

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2019-10-17 18:12:55
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THEY. Again

 

[SuperTrouper]

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Books we've never read written by people we've never met. Science is the new religion and just about every one I know will argue against the research you've made with the defense of "these are scientists and historians and PhDs".

I have a PhD and one thing's for sure - all it means is that I have the skill required to earn a PhD (i.e. I could easily earn another PhD if I wanted to, whatever "joy" that would bring). A quote from Aristotle neatly sums up my career as a research professional: 'The more you know, the more you know you don't know.' Stuff I learn on this forum totally confirms this and throws a lot of my preconceived "knowledge" out of the window. Dealing with one's ego is a big part of the equation. I suppose that I enjoy learning new things every day with an open mind. I guess that's why I've never left "school".

 

[EUAFU]

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Date: 2019-10-18 02:49:41
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When you create a lie and you need to keep that lie, you will necessarily create others to keep the original lie up. Usually when the person lies he seeks some benefit of his own, no matter what. Let's create the heliocentric lie, then gravity then the evolutionary lie and of course, for all this to work you need a long time, a long time. And then we come to those billions of years that are proved by those who were trained and indoctrinated by those who created the first lies.

 

[SuperTrouper]

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When you create a lie and you need to keep that lie, you will necessarily create others to keep the original lie up. Usually when the person lies he seeks some benefit of his own, no matter what. Let's create the heliocentric lie, then gravity then the evolutionary lie and of course, for all this to work you need a long time, a long time. And then we come to those billions of years that are proved by those who were trained and indoctrinated by those who created the first lies.

Yeah, but then when the cards start falling, the house goes down pretty quick.

 

[Archive]

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Username: BrokenAgate
Date: 2019-10-18 04:52:30
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This star is so old that it sits around complaining about how young supernovas these days ain't got no respect for their elders, and back in HIS day, they didn't even HAVE all these fancy-pants universes. And they LIKED it that way, dammit!

 

[Huaqero]

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I'm sure you have noticed how almost everything in physics and cosmology has to pass the 'Einstein filter'. If your results are based on or match his predictions you continue with your PhD, if not, not so much. You are considered wrong and your work goes back for revision until it passes the filter.
And so many new 'Einstein predictions' being confirmed almost every year. But when you read more about them they are usually other people's work that happen to touch fields that Einstein had also touched.
Like calling a bean soup 'Einstein's recipe for bean soup' only because he cooked beans one day...
In this way, an Einstein cult has been created that now dominates physics. And we ceremoniously hit ourselves on the wall, repeatedly, as dedicated cult members, with silly results like on this star.
Twice I had interactions on twitter with a Chicago uni professor, unfortunatelly on my now banned account. The first time I was unsuspicious but the second time he confirmed for me the 'Einstein cult'...
(writing from phone right now, I'll see if I can find these, somehow, and give you an idea...)

 

[codis]

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Twice I had interactions on twitter with a Chicago uni professor, unfortunatelly on my now banned account. The first time I was unsuspicious but the second time he confirmed for me the 'Einstein cult'...

Which is not so surpising, considering the fact that there is no proof of Einstein achieving anything at all.
His Nobel prize winning thesis about the photoelectric effect was written by his Serbian then-wife (whom he soon after divorced, purpose served). Her descendants still battle for appropriate recognition.
And relativity theory is just a regurgitation of Henry Poincare (physics) and David Hilbert (math). Seems he just had the right "blood", and the right friends. Like Gates, Musk and Zuckerberg ...

 

[Huaqero]

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Which is not so surpising, considering the fact that there is no proof of Einstein achieving anything at all.
His Nobel prize winning thesis about the photoelectric effect was written by his Serbian then-wife (whom he soon after divorced, purpose served). Her descendants still battle for appropriate recognition.
And relativity theory is just a regurgitation of Henry Poincare (physics) and David Hilbert (math). Seems he just had the right "blood", and the right friends. Like Gates, Musk and Zuckerberg ...

My second interaction with the Chicago prof was about the photoelectric effect. I teased him on a thread of his on Max Planck, saying that it was Max who introduced it and should have won the Nobel. "Read my thread again", he responded. I did. His only mention on Einstein was that E. 'corrected' something. I responded again on that. His answer? ... 'It was Einstein who understood it' !!!
I don't remember my response after that but there was no new answer from him anyway...
Max Planck introduced the idea but Einstein who 'corrected sth and understood it' won the Nobel... The Einstein Bean Soup Recipe.
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There, I found the mini-discussion (seems I got the line of his responses up-down but this does not change the absurdity, I also forgot he had called me a 'troll'... lol):

And this is my first interaction, on a 'curious article' (his own words) back from ...1885 where spacetime is mentioned as '4th dimension' & 'time-space' !
I asked him then if Einstein plagiarized it. You can see at least his line of answers.

In a few words, he accepts the curiosity but calls the attributing of 'spacetime' to Einstein "a popularization that glosses over details for expedience" (what?! - Einstein's Bean Soup Recipe, again) and calls two videos I sent him "a rando YouTube vid" (sic), where one Harvard prof. and, more known, Brian Green, both attribute 'spacetime' solely to 'Einstein's genius', not even Minkowski's!
Try to make a sense out of it, without accepting the Einstein Cult!

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2019-10-18 15:12:32
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Well, we're gonna be finding out 4D soon enough. Love and marriage, love and marriage
You can't have one without the other.
No matter how many times or ways you slice up a pie... It's still just a pie.
I love pie!

 

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Username: Raviolli
Date: 2019-10-18 18:27:21
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Well, we're gonna be finding out 4D soon enough. Love and marriage, love and marriage
You can't have one without the other.

What?

Anyway the writer of this article has only written one article for that website (which is the one we're talking about)
Looks like a spook,therefore the whole article is just propaganda.

 

[codis]

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Date: 2019-11-11 11:47:26
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Love and marriage, love and marriage

Al and Peg, uhhh ???

 

[wild heretic]

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Which is not so surpising, considering the fact that there is no proof of Einstein achieving anything at all.
His Nobel prize winning thesis about the photoelectric effect was written by his Serbian then-wife (whom he soon after divorced, purpose served). Her descendants still battle for appropriate recognition.
And relativity theory is just a regurgitation of Henry Poincare (physics) and David Hilbert (math). Seems he just had the right "blood", and the right friends. Like Gates, Musk and Zuckerberg ...

I concur with this. I think he was just another front (jewish actor type) like those other characters you mentioned.

I doubt zuckerberg controls anything (including himself, as I think he looks and acts like a robot).

 

[codis]

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Date: 2019-11-11 12:50:39
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Anyway the writer of this article has only written one article for that website (which is the one we're talking about)
Looks like a spook,therefore the whole article is just propaganda.

I suppose, at least not consciously.
Here a nice quote to state my point:
"It is not uncommon for engineers to accept the reality of phenomena that are not yet understood, as it is very common for physicists to disbelieve the reality of phenomena that seem to contradict contemporary beliefs of physics"
-- H. Bauer

 

[dreamtime]

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The public looks up to these front personas, without knowledge of the invisible resources and networks behind these figures.

Gates, Musk, Zuckerberg, Rowling, etc.

They are born into these elite networks, and no matter whether they themselves realize their level of dependence, they certainly know they are not one of us.

Physics (theory of relativity), just like biology (evolutionary theory), has a special place in the matrix of lies, as cosmology and astrophysics is the foundation of how humans interpret the larger reality.

After the last big cultural reset, people were slowly fed new ideas about the world we live in, and within around 200 years, most "mainstream" conceptions about life were slowly but steadily inverted, but even in the early 1900s most of Academia was still at war with these concepts, not even talking about the attitudes of the general populace.

Some examples of inversion:

Creation -> Evolution
Closed sphere/earth as centre -> Endless universe/earth no special place
Life controlled by forces beyond our limited senses -> Life controlled by matter and genes
Catastrophism -> Gradualism/Uniformitarianism
Individualism -> Collectivism
decentral culture -> centralized culture
consciousness shapes our existence -> social existence shapes consciousness

These fundamental ideas were all abruptly forced upon the public after the two world wars: before the wars, the debate about evolutionary theory or relativity was still alive, and it's enemies were many.

In physics just like in most academic fields, ever since the 50s, the main purpose of scholars and academics is to serve as gatekeepers for keeping the status quo which the wars have cemented. It's simply psychological warfare against humanity, aimed at keeping humans busy and intellectuals occupied with mind-numbing gibberish.

The 50s were when the PTB began to shift their efforts toward subtle and long-term genocide against the masses, and started getting away from the more obvious methods of killing millions in wars, and thats probabaly why most of these actor type characters have ties to the military industrial complex and the intelligence community.

I never thought about physics, because I believed it's too complex to understand. Then I realized that it's actually in many ways too easy to understand, and at some point it became obvious that the entire story based on modern physics is a lie.

Surprisingly, there's actually one trained physicist who, despite her own indoctrination, managed to came to similar conclusions, at least regarding the most idiotic part of physics - theoretical physics. You can read her blog here: Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction

Generally nowadays 99% of 'science' in this field is based on ideas alone, devoid of any connection with reality. No one needs to do any actual experiments. It's fantasy based on older fantasy based on even older fantasy based on what Einstein supposedly thought.

This news about stars older than the universe is part of the Psy-Op that went into full effect 70 years ago, it's nothing but a bad theoretical construct, sold to people as truth.

Think of this Psy-Op as a clever way of keeping a lid on human spiritual evolution: As long as they control the perception in regards to fundamental assumptions about reality (genes controlling us, universe as endless, everything as relative and meaningless), there will never be a single step in the right direction. We have only regressed for the last 100 years. The single only exception is computer-based technology, which is actually allowed to progress in a certain way, and this is no coincidence.

 

[codis]

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Surprisingly, there's actually one trained physicist who, despite her own indoctrination, managed to came to similar conclusions, at least regarding the most idiotic part of physics - theoretical physics. You can read her blog here: Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction

Generally nowadays 99% of 'science' in this field is based on ideas alone, devoid of any connection with reality. No one needs to do any actual experiments. It's fantasy based on older fantasy based on even older fantasy based on what Einstein supposedly thought.

I came to the conclusion that the current education system is a filter to favor special kind of "obedient intelligence". Meaning, the willingness to think inside-the-box, and avoid conflicting thought pattern. Which requires a specific way to deal with cognitive dissonance - suppressing the disruptive fact. The average "fool" (main school educated) is more openly indoctrinated for group submission, garnered with a few dissociated facts.

Gates, Musk, Zuckerberg, Rowling, etc.
They are born into these elite networks, and no matter whether they themselves realize their level of dependence, they certainly know they are not one of us.

I'm pretty sure they realize that. And enjoy it.
Just think of the ridiculous legends of both Gates and Zuckerberg. Both are just inept straw men, heading projects to get hold an control over the IT business (industrial, via the ineffable MS Windows) and private communication (a.k.a. social media). Both guys are a cover for TPTB sponsored control mechanisms, nothing else.

The 50s were when the PTB began to shift their efforts toward subtle and long-term genocide against the masses, and started getting away from the more obvious methods of killing millions in wars, and thats probabaly why most of these actor type characters have ties to the military industrial complex and the intelligence community.

While you can find essays and books about their goals - and exactly this goals - long before the '50s.
One of the greatest danger for humanity is IMHO the current climate crisis scare, combined with a push for veganism. In other words, get everyone to eat cheaply produced plant-based industrial kibble. Made from grains full of anti-nutrients, or even genetically modified to sterilize you. The open push of vegan mouthpieces for vasectomies is only the icing on the cake.