SH Archive US Civil War: Headquarters of the 50th New York Engineers

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In late October, 1864, following the fighting at Peebles and Pegrams Farms, two companies of the 50th New York Engineers (L & M) made a semi-permanent camp in a 5-acre field on the Flowers Farm near the site of Poplar Springs Church. The camp site was level and dry with nearby water, two-thirds mile west of the Weldon railroad and convenient to the Vaughan Road.
  • KD: Ok, I don't even know where to put this. It has to be either under war, or under building investigation. At the same time it fits into the sarcastic discoveries the most. Some things they were doing during the alleged Civil War are simply... BIZARRE...
Poplar Spring Church
Colonel Ira Spaulding commanded the Regiment, Captain McGrath, the architect and builder of the Church. In front is a group of several of the officers of the Regiment.

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On the foreground stands the architect himself.
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Them hands never fail...

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Prominent civilian and a brigadier general posed at the church entrance.
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Elaborate Houses
Captain William Folwell wrote in his diary that "some of the officers are putting up quite elaborate houses, more so than is worth while, I think. I shall be content with my tent until it is certain that the Army goes into winter quarters."
  • If you download TIFF file from here, you will realize that these houses were made of stone and mortar.​
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The Camp
We shall have a very neat camp. I mean to have as good a house as can be built of the material accessible, viz., green pine timber and canvas. - Capt. Wm. Folwell.

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KD: Is this a movie set, a summer camp or a Civil War?
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Username: JWW427
Date: 2019-10-27 14:04:29
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The "church" looks almost Scandinavian.
Freemason hand gestures.
Strange stone houses.
An occult lodge?
The castle is the logo for the Army Corps of Engineers. (Under the greenery)
A very odd scene. This to me is a Freemason lodge, the whole shebang.
Maybe this is why the ACE get all the credit for building canals and big constructions.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-10-28 05:24:56
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The narrative runs strong within the masses. This ridiculous Civil War semi-permanent camp is not even being questioned.

I would like to know whether this village had people who lived there prior to it possibly getting occupied by our engineers.

Then again, may be they did build all that, but this way the actual war becomes highly questionable. Not like it’s not already...
 
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Username: BStankman
Date: 2019-10-28 08:29:08
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Disney frontier land.
Here is a photo of the actual workers. Notice the crooked chimney.

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Shouldn't the engineers been busy building bastions and bunkers?
I guess all these star fort satellites pre-existed the civil war.

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Even when you build a church tower with Lincoln logs, you still need to edit something out of the photo. Why does this pattern keep repeating?

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Username: Plissken
Date: 2019-10-28 08:41:54
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Wow! They must of had a lot of time on their hands in the old Army Corps of Engineers. Everything those guys are involved with is suspect in my book.

Every time something strange that makes no sense pops up, you look around and find familiar things in the area, like a star fort.

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And not one but a shit ton of "signal towers" of all shapes and sizes. Again, the corps had a lot of time on their hands.

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Peebles Farm Signal Tower.jpg

160 FEET!
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That one has an interesting structure on top.
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I guess they built these as well.
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MORE INTERESTING STUFF.

Confederate tunnels. Most of which they haven't explored. They say they are sapping tunnels and countermines.
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Now this picture shows the kind of temporary wood buildings I expect. Look how deep that trench is. Again, the Corps gets a lot done. Must have way better time management than myself. And torpedo...

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This is a grenade they found there. I like to think this is how they came up with lawn darts.

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All of these photos are from the original link provided in the OP. They also hung a bunch of deserters here.

Here are some things that I can't quite wrap my head around on these buildings in the OP.
1. They go through all the trouble to lay all of those pine boughs all over the sides and front, but cannot do the same for the roof?
2. They build elaborate wood houses with shingle wood roofing but again, just tarp these bad boys over.
3. They make elaborate openings that cannot easily be covered by a door or window covering.
4. This looks more like an archaeological find. Hey we found these cool buildings lets put some tarps over them so we can protect the contents until we can call the Smithsonian to confiscate. Oh, I mean investigate. Get the theodolite out and take some surveying measurements so we can document before we destroy.

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Something else to keep in mind while trying to determine the age of these buildings. This area is 15 miles from the Bermuda Hundreds, a plantation from the Jamestown colony era and just upriver from Jamestown itself. Right smack dab in the middle of the Powatans and the first settlers of North America. The armies sure as hell destroyed everything before they left.

Plissken ?
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-10-28 08:50:50
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Been here before n another thread. Pinkerton is in one f these photographs. My guess, for that's all it is, is all the buildings pre-existed the photo shoot(s). The abandoned series look pretty much like the occupied series ith a few bits of wood 'n stuff thrown around.
Yet again no way on earth to identify the location of this thing either om America or anywhere else poplars grow. In some sites text/photo descrriptions it's Poplar Springs, others Poplar Grove. Was its actual location northern France?
Camp of the 50th N. Y. Engineers
 
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Username: Timeshifter
Date: 2019-10-30 22:02:41
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This tripod for a giant?.... notice the fallic shaped entrances too. elaborate_civil_war_house_1.jpg
 
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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2019-10-31 00:07:37
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And the weird castle portico sculpted in the top...
 
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