What actually happens when the sun sets?

You all have seen god rays through the clouds i presume.
How is it possible for the god rays to stray in such strange angles, if the sun is millions of miles away ?
They should be breaking through in a straight way then.
 
You all have seen god rays through the clouds i presume.
How is it possible for the god rays to stray in such strange angles, if the sun is millions of miles away ?
They should be breaking through in a straight way then.

Well yes, obviously.

The hard part is to try and get someone who supports the official narrative to logically defend their beliefs.
 
I am no narrative cheerleader, but I would like to opine about God rays… also known as crepuscular rays.

based upon this photo:
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One might assume that the sun is just a short distance above the clouds. However, there is a scientific phenomenon which is observable and explains this.

The double slit experiment shows how restricting light can behave similarly to pressing your thumb over a garden hose:
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I don’t think I believe that the sun is hundreds of millions of miles away… but I do believe that we need to be wary of which illusions are presented as evidence and which evidences are written off as illusion.

anyway, I’m a huge promoter of trusting one’s own senses and intuition, but again we must be vigilant in looking for illusion.

here are some sunset photos I captured from Bonney Lake/Sky Island:

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These photos were taken on a VERY smoky day. Being a PNW native, I’m very aware that the Olympic mountains are between my camera and the setting sun, although they’re obscured by the smoke.

anybody with the slightest bit of imagination and lack of context could infer some wild things based upon the sight alone.
 
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I am no narrative cheerleader, but I would like to opine about God rays… also known as crepuscular rays.

based upon this photo:
One might assume that the sun is just a short distance above the clouds. However, there is a scientific phenomenon which is observable and explains this.

The double slit experiment shows how restricting light can behave similarly to pressing your thumb over a garden hose:

I don’t think I believe that the sun is hundreds of millions of miles away… but I do believe that we need to be wary of which illusions are presented as evidence and which evidences are written off as illusion.

anyway, I’m a huge promoter of trusting one’s own senses and intuition, but again we must be vigilant in looking for illusion.

here are some sunset photos I captured from Bonney Lake/Sky Island:

These photos were taken on a VERY smoky day. Being a PNW native, I’m very aware that the Olympic mountains are between my camera and the setting sun, although they’re obscured by the smoke.

anybody with the slightest bit of imagination and lack of context could infer some wild things based upon the sight alone.
Nice reply, thanks for your efforts.

I relate to the documentary by Ewaranon named "What on earth happened" (suspicious name if you ask me) the "anon" phenomenon occured during trumps short era.

Long story short, in this documentary they try to proof, that the sun is not as far away from earth as claimed by the media.
With short experiments which can everyone reenact at home like:
-The corona experiment with a little flashlight and a fitting coin to the front glass
if the light source is too far away from the coin, it wont create a corona, if you move it close to the source, it does.
the conclusion to that was: the moon must be quite near to the sun, to create that phenomenon.

-The god ray experiment with a light shining from far above through a sheet of paper which emitted straight rays of light and, as the light moved nearer the sheet of paper, the rays began to scatter. It realy seemed legit to me, even though you cant realy compare a sheet of paper with a cloud.
 
I wanna add one observation of mine to the topic:

The official story of the moon casting a shadow is: that the earth is in front of the sun, while its cycling through its revolution around the earth.
Yet, i can see almost every day, the opposite to the sun. You look to the left, there is a moon, you look to the right, there is the sun, allthough there is no object inbetween, the moon still casts a shadow.
Here's a few things to add to the equation which can be proven by empirical observation.

Light waves from the sun do not follow straight line as they travel through the atmosphere (or atmo'half'sphere if you prefer the dome). We assume that lightwaves are traveling in straight lines, but this is not true. The atmosphere if dense near the surface of earth an rare towards the top, which means there is a density gradient in the atmosphere and there is also a temperature gradient.

Temperature and density greatly affect a light wave's path and cause it to follow a curve.
- Light waves propagate in straight-line paths as they travel in a homogeneous medium. The only homogenous media is "outer space".
- Light waves follow curved paths in a medium in which the refractive index changes. The atmosphere, due to it's ever changing temperature and density is never a homogeneous media.

Light *ALWAYS* follows a curved path through our non-homogeneous atmosphere. The reason specifically that waves follow curved paths in non-homogeneous media is because the left and the right side of the wave enter the media at different times. It's the same concept if you have a front wheel drive car, left and right wheel pulling the car forward. But if you increase the speed of the front left wheel, the car will start turning left. A light wave does the same thing when it enters a dense media. The Left side of the wave enters first, and starts to slow down- but the right side is still going fast. So the wave turns slightly.

It's a proven and measurable fact that all light waves follow curved paths, and there is no exception except for in a vacuum chamber or outer space (existence of the latter being debatable).

Just because light waves reach the bottom of clouds, have you traced back the path the light wave followed to ensure it didn't get there by following a curved path?

This curving of light waves causes many optical illusions such as Atmospheric Refraction which causes someone to think the sun hasn't set when it actually already has: (Assumed sun is still over the horizon, in reality it has already set)


Atmospheric Refraction can be broken down into 3 parts:

Astronomical Refraction: Light from a distant astronomical object (sun, moon, star) has followed a curved path through a potential 6,200 miles of atmosphere (Exosphere merges with solar winds ~6,200 miles). This causes an optical illusion that makes celestial objects appear higher in the sky than they physically are.

Terrestrial Refraction: Light from a distant mountain peak, ocean on the horizon, and all terrestrial objects appear elevated. Light waves traveling parallel to earth's surface also follow a curved path.

Horizonal Refraction (not accounted for by the scientific community): For the viewer who is outside (at high up in) the atmosphere, who is looking back to earth. How does the optical illusion caused by the curving of light waves affect the visible "earth from space"?


Here is a diagram I made to explain exactly how Astronomical Refraction works (viewer on surface of earth, looking at a celestial object):


And here is a diagram I made to explain how Horizonal Refraction works. Notice the obvious similarities. (viewer is outside/high up in the atmosphere and looking back at earth's surface):


That's correct, earth's 'curved surface' is optical illusion caused by atmospheric refraction.


But hang on, we're supposed to be talking about sun on the bottom of the clouds.

Here are the mathematical formulae for astronomical and terrestrial refraction, which I've calculated by hand, on paper. Please check my work any possible errors and realize that these are the accepted scientific formulae which any physicist can review for accuracy and it, of course, is assuming a sphere earth.

Astronomical Refraction: AtmosphericRefraction.pdf
Terrestrial Refraction: TerrestrialRefraction.pdf

Now you can see what happens on a sphere earth is that light waves, parallel to earth's surface, bend downwards. But this is only because of the geometric curvature of earth- a light wave "parallel" to earth's surface already has a radius of curvature of 3959 miles. But on a FLAT EARTH, a light wave parallel to earth's surface has no curvature, and is flat.

So then, does light travel slower or faster in dense media? Light slows down in dense media. And is the atmosphere more dense or more rare at the surface? It's more dense towards the surface.

A light wave, travelling parallel to earth's flat surface, constantly encountering "dense" media (think about the air as 1000 panes of glass all lined up) will constantly be slowed down. The speed of light, is only in vacuum, and slows down when it enters a dense media such as air, water, or glass.

Light traveling through 1000 panes of glass will BEND when entering each sheet of glass, and it will also slow down each time. This is provable with empirical experimentation, so go try it before debating. It happens. And air is no different. For example: 1 meter of air, you could break it down into 1000 'microscopic' sheets of air. And when light enters each one, it will slightly slow down.

Light does not travel at "light speed", except in a vacuum. Light waves can and have been "stopped" by passing them through enough dense media.

So, do light waves following parallel to a flat earth bend up or down? They don't go straight, that's a fact.

-Ryan Zehm 55°N
I have to add something which might be missing here.

The flatearth (theorist,believers etc. ) dont think of the earth as an open plane like the ballers do, in terms of atmospheric pressure etc..
They believe the earth to be enclosed by an ice ring and a firmament above. Proof for the flatearth ought to be Gleasons Map.

Some regular information for all: In the 90s.... maybe 80s, was a woman who claimed to be from venus.
She called herself Omnec Onec. She even was in a talkshow back then.
She also said, and showed a drawing of where she lived and she added, it was also under a dome (firmament)

Doenst mean i believe her, its just for information cause, i try to bring in every information possible to put the pieces together.
 
I wanna add one observation of mine to the topic:

The official story of the moon casting a shadow is: that the earth is in front of the sun, while its cycling through its revolution around the earth.
Yet, i can see almost every day, the opposite to the sun. You look to the left, there is a moon, you look to the right, there is the sun, allthough there is no object inbetween, the moon still casts a shadow.

I have to add something which might be missing here.

The flatearth (theorist,believers etc. ) dont think of the earth as an open plane like the ballers do, in terms of atmospheric pressure etc..
They believe the earth to be enclosed by an ice ring and a firmament above. Proof for the flatearth ought to be Gleasons Map.

Some regular information for all: In the 90s.... maybe 80s, was a woman who claimed to be from venus.
She called herself Omnec Onec. She even was in a talkshow back then.
She also said, and showed a drawing of where she lived and she added, it was also under a dome (firmament)

Doenst mean i believe her, its just for information cause, i try to bring in every information possible to put the pieces together.

The word "planet" stems from "astēr planētēs" which is ancient Greek for "wandering star". If the Earth is indeed flat then these other worlds such as "Venus" may also exist as separate worlds or realms perhaps; the way to reach these other worlds would be through a portal, a stargate perhaps, with the stars serving as a map for these other worlds just like the moon is theorised to be a map of our greater world. This is only a theory of course however we do see this concept symbolised in media with the most obvious example being the Stargate movie from 1994.
 
The word "planet" stems from "astēr planētēs" which is ancient Greek for "wandering star". If the Earth is indeed flat then these other worlds such as "Venus" may also exist as separate worlds or realms perhaps; the way to reach these other worlds would be through a portal, a stargate perhaps, with the stars serving as a map for these other worlds just like the moon is theorised to be a map of our greater world. This is only a theory of course however we do see this concept symbolised in media with the most obvious example being the Stargate movie from 1994.

Even Blavatsky says. we're living on a ball. But i dont believe anyone in the first place, but i take it into account and review it later on.
If i would believe anyone who is telling me anything right away, i would be naive.
Nobody knows for sure, whats realy goin on and in the end, it doesnt matter if the earth is flat or a ball.

But its fun to find out ;D

Its hard to tell, if every made up sci-fi story by a dude has to be true somewhere.
Since the UFO incident in texas, people went crazy in their minds and made up many different stories about aliens and stuff.

BUT, its very interessting to see people on TV freakin out about flatearthers, maybe for show, maybe because somethings realy off ? We dont know.

The documentary by Ewar was mindblowing, if you have seen it, you remember the plane flying along the ice ring ?
The marytime police who wont allow anyone near the southpole or "the ice ring maybe" ?
Many tribes thought of the world as under a dome or firmament in former times.
Or, the weatherballoon which flew up very very high (forgot the actual hight ) you didnt see a curvature at all (might be fake or not)
They say, many shootings which were made high up, were filmed with a fish eye (need to be aware fo that, next time we see one)

From our perspective we cant tell if the earth is a ball or not.
You can watch youtube documentaries of people filming from the mount everest, even there is no curvature to be seen.
 
You could do worse than read this thread from start to finish.
Its EYE opening.
 
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