Who stole our history?

[ViniB]

The Tennessee Valley Authority was good at rerouting and damming up rivers which resulted in relocation of people and losing local history and ties to the land.
Lost Towns of Pickwick (TN)

The Hoover dam is a similar thing right? If i remember right, there's allegations of ruins or remains of a civilization underwater

 

[polymath]

The Hoover dam is a similar thing right? If i remember right, there's allegations of ruins or remains of a civilization underwater

A town originally settled by Mormons called St. Thomas was under there but it has remerged according to the official narrative:
St. Thomas, Nevada reemerges

 

[Jef Demolder]

Who stole our history? Here is how I see it in March 2024...

When between 1400 and 1500 the gods decided to give up their colonies on earth, they have done three things. (1) They have created ancient human history, by inventing this history and by producing the written historical sources, as to make believe to humans that the megalithical and classical civilizations were human civilizations, in the hope that humans would situate themselves in the extension of the past, and would continue and develop civlization. (2) Through the so called ancient writings, they hided messages, in riddles, jokes and intertextual connetctions, ready for later discovery, communicating how they amused themselves by creating history, and revealing the nature of the Ultimate, the gods, and the real nature of humans, which are ladder beings, who collectively climb to a more divine state, or degenerate to a zombie state. (3) In Europe and the Middle East they founded multiple institutions as to ensure that the so called ancient writings would be preserved and carried through the centuries, and that humans would continue to study them as to be able, when the time came, to discover the truth. This institutions are the universities and the three modern religions Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

So there is no "true human ancient history" that has been stolen and replaced by false history. Before 1400, there is simply no human history, only an evolution of humans from cattle to slaves and then to more or less emancipated slaves. Before 1400, there isn't even anything like divine history, as the gods do not really live in consecutive time. The Greco-Roman civilization for instance, with all its magnificent architecture, was suddenly completely there. The Greco-Roman civilization, or the classicial Indian civilization, or the "Maya" or "Inca" civilization were conceived in synchronic time.

Falsification of history has been realized by human history workers from the renaissance on (the "humanists") as to hide the realities of the Ancient World and the perduration of some of this realities in modern times. In a certain sense, the academy and the modern religions continue to steal our history, as by their stereotypical approach of the ancient writings and their suppression of alternatives, they prevent the breakthrough to the discovery of the truth contained in the ancient writings, which is not historical truth, but physical/metaphysical truth.

 

[Gold]

I think trying to zone in on a single individual group in what seems to have always been a hivemind of factions doesn't get you far since individual groups change, die out, resurrect, rename, but the one thing that ties them all together is Saturn worship. The bit about Irish Phoenicians bringing us Tarot which turned into Kabbalah, and appearing after one of the last cataclysms as the enlightened bringers of civilization sure sounds familiar like Masons handing out education manuals in the 1800s at the World's Fairs. But Saturn worship is the hole all the factions fall into, the unifying factor.

 

[polymath]

WPA and the Federal Writers' Program.
Federal Writers Program

"About the Federal Writers' Project​

The Federal Writers' Project materials in the Library of Congress Manuscript Division are part of a larger collection titled The U.S. Work Projects Administration Federal Writers' Project and Historical Records Survey. The holdings from Federal Writers' Project span the years 1889-1942 and cover a wide range of topics and subprojects. Altogether, the Federal Writers' holdings number approximately 300,000 items and consist of correspondence, memoranda, field reports, notes, graphs, charts, preliminary and corrected drafts of essays, oral testimony, folklore, miscellaneous administrative and miscellaneous other material.

Well over one-half of the materials in this record group pertain to the American Guide, the sobriquet for the critically acclaimed state guides. The remainder of the material reflects other areas of interest that developed as the project grew in maturity. They include a rich collection of rural and urban folklore; first-person narratives (called life histories) describing the feelings of men and women coping with life and the Depression; studies of social customs of various ethnic groups; authentic narratives of ex-slaves about life during the period of Slavery; and Negro source material gathered by project workers. In addition, drafts of publications and intended publications are included. These publications express concern with the direction America was taking and with the preservation and communication of local culture. Titles include Hands That Build America, From These Strains, Lexicon of Trade Jargon, and Pockets in America.

The arrangement of the larger collection generally reflects the division of work within the Writers' Project such as material relating to The American Guide, the Folklore Project, Social-ethnic Studies, and Slave Narratives. Other series are compilations for archival purposes such as administrative papers or Negro studies material. Still others are groups of similar material such as printed matter and the like.

The plight of the unemployed writer, and indeed anyone who could qualify as a writer such as a lawyer, a teacher, or a librarian, during the early years of the Depression, was of concern not only to the Roosevelt Administration, but also to writers' organizations and persons of liberal and academic persuasions. It was felt, generally, that the New Deal could come up with more appropriate work situations for this group other than blue collar jobs on construction projects. To the Administration's liking were plans generated from a series of meetings held in 1934 between Jacob Baker, Harry Hopkins' chief Civil Works Administration assistant in charge of special and professional programs, Henry Alsberg, Bakers' assistant, Katherine Kellock, a writer familiar with international and social organizations, and others. The outcome of these sessions was a project for all the "arts," (labeled Federal One), divided administratively by each specialty and headed by professionals in the field. The Writers' Project, later characterized by some as the federal government's attempt to "democratize American culture," was approved for federal monies in June, 1935. Baker chose his assistant, Alsberg, as director. As the Project continued into the late thirties, the director was powerless to stop increasing criticism by reactionary Congressmen who were intent on shutting down the enterprise. In October 1939, the Project's federal monies ceased, due to the Administration's need for a larger defense budget. After 1939, emasculated, the Project sputtered along on monies funded to the states, closing completely one year or so after America's entry into World War II.

Researchers should note that the American Memory collection presented here is a coherent portion of the Library's larger Federal Writers' series and the WPA collection. It includes the life histories and corollary documents assembled by the Folklore Projectwithin the Federal Writers' effort."

It seems this project recruited specific types of people to put forth part of the American narrative...the "soul of America" as mentioned. The WPA was involved in several different areas of life but strangely, the PROJECT NUMBER ONE involved the ARTS, Including the Writers, Theater, Art, Music and HISTORICAL RECORDS SURVEY.

Digging into what the WPA Project One encompassed could keep me busy for months, the WPA and other New Deal Programs as a whole are a gold mine of surface level intention information.

A side note, my grandmother did work as a "Foreman" for a WPA Project in Appalachia in 1940. I have no details about what that meant, I only found out through the census record and one lapel pin in her things. She was a bit enigmatic.

 

[BonnieOfGod]

I think trying to zone in on a single individual group in what seems to have always been a hivemind of factions doesn't get you far since individual groups change, die out, resurrect, rename, but the one thing that ties them all together is Saturn worship. The bit about Irish Phoenicians bringing us Tarot which turned into Kabbalah, and appearing after one of the last cataclysms as the enlightened bringers of civilization sure sounds familiar like Masons handing out education manuals in the 1800s at the World's Fairs. But Saturn worship is the hole all the factions fall into, the unifying factor.

Yes, Saturn is a constant. So Saturn = Satan?

 

[OrphanChoir]

Think the destruction of the previous civilization was done by same group that has constructed history. Our matrix world has been setup for 100% control of the livestock, us.

An advanced species that created massive underground liquefaction events, installed their puppets (psychopaths), control programs, history, religion, etc. and have been breeding and manipulating us for traits beneficial to their farm. There is some AI capable of managing all the details and they are _very_ patient.
Finance being so integral to it all, I believe their main headquarters are in London, underground.

 

[jeenam]

Think the destruction of the previous civilization was done by same group that has constructed history. Our matrix world has been setup for 100% control of the livestock, us.

An advanced species that created massive underground liquefaction events, installed their puppets (psychopaths), control programs, history, religion, etc. and have been breeding and manipulating us for traits beneficial to their farm. There is some AI capable of managing all the details and they are _very_ patient.
Finance being so integral to it all, I believe their main headquarters are in London, underground.

The City of London

 

[Akanah]

How do they know that history has been stolen?
Have you had the experience yourself that historical events you could remember are suddenly gone?

I myself have had such experiences several times in my life. I witnessed important events in the world directly or indirectly and from one day to the next most of the people around me knew nothing about them. But I still knew about it. This happened a few times in the 90s between 1992 and 1997, but it also happened a few more times between 2006 and 2009. What was striking was that it was always about an event that had happened on a single day X that people had forgotten about the next day. So far, I have no meaningful explanation other than collective amnesia, especially because it was always about a bad event. This confirms Immanuel Velikovsky's theory that people forget or repress something after certain events and then act as if everything had always been the way it is now, even though this is not true. However, it does not explain why I can still remember.

I later became aware of the Mandela Effect phenomenon, but this is mainly about historical events being altered and not simply stolen. However, I began to suspect that some of the events I could still remember had not been completely stolen, but had simply been shifted too many years into the past so that they would not attract too much attention in the present.
So in a way, this is really the Mandela effect in terms of memories that you want to repress.

I just wondered what the point and purpose of losing memories was, or believing that certain memories might not be your own, but memories of people who lived before you. Who would benefit from this?
If the purpose was to deprive humanity of their memories or to keep them in a sleep mode where they could be better controlled and influenced, I would suspect some supernatural malevolent power behind it. Perhaps a power that cannot be clearly identified or seen. Some in this forum allude to the Matrix theme. But I don't believe in an artificial intelligence as an evil force that is some computer program. I rather believe in a physical real being that acts similarly to an anti-natural and anti-spiritual entity. Perhaps a kind of devil as an opponent to God.

 

[Ponygirl]

I thought the question of who stole history might get some forum juices flowing.
To be more precise: who (or what) do you think is responsible for all of this confusion and deception we know as history?

As for myself, I'm one of those simulation types, so my beliefs are not what most people would find relatable. The best way I can describe who I think stole history is to reference the thread The last of the Mohicans by tech_dancer.

"Once upon a time a territory of modern Europe was invaded by an unknown army. This army was numerous and it came from the sea. They immediately started conquering all lands in the eastern direction. They used weapons and technology not available today*."

I think it was those guys.


Tell us who you think it was/is, thx!

The Atlanteans. When you live on an island, you just might be good at sailing.

 

[Ponygirl]

There's several groups with a possible part in the deception, my money is in those we are either nor allowed to criticize or mocked if we do

The name-changers who disguise themselves throughout history so we can’t see them. But if we follow the money-changers, we can see them clearly.
And their religion (transitioning) also makes them stand out.

 

[Gold]

Yes, Saturn is a constant. So Saturn = Satan?

Satan is a stand in name like most names are honestly. Satan, Moloch, Baal, Lilith, Yahweh, Ialdabaoth, Lucifer.. What all these names have in common is they go back to Saturn in one way or another. The worship of the Zodiac is the worship of "planets", with a heavy emphasis on Saturn. Tarot, Kabbalah, everything goes back to the planets and Saturn. Symbols of Saturn, references to Saturn, numbers that magically somehow refer to Saturn.. It's my opinion the planets are entities and Saturn is at the head of things.
You could call Saturn Satan, the demiurge, Lucifer, these are all essentially the same thing, the great jailer, the adversary. All mystery religions (and modern ones now, in their current forms) boil down to Saturn worship, the most evil people on the planet worship Saturn and the Zodiac, and there are some who think the Zodiac are what not only heavily influence our "destinies" and personalities but are the wardens trying to keep us here for a bajillion years with mystical theater to farm tons of suffering (energy) and use us as a resource and trick us into believing things and being in turmoil so that we manifest things they want them to. Call it divine spark theft if you want, the subversion of your inner power by fake outer gods trying to steal the power of a real god and convince it/them they're cattle and the idols of the world are the real gods, thus making it so through manipulating the collective consciousness.

In my opinion the puppets that have faces and names for us to get mad at are either possessed flesh suits or channeling an intelligence from another neighboring dimension. Evil on the scale we're so numb to can only come in the form of instructions from something "else". Especially hundreds of years of long game planning, and we're only at the precipice of a couple hundred more. A true inversion of previous systems of sustainable plenty we've speculated about here for years, except instead of cool atmospheric energy or islands of gold and walking around naked living for 300 years and using alcohol to fly zeppelins it's 1000 more years of this but with a digital technology spin to it. Black magic is just an inversion of white magic, if you REALLY look at the details, technically and esoterically, you'll see nothing has changed at all in the past 500 years except it gets infinitely worse but still stays the same. And dirtier. Even the technology is mostly the same, it's just a different version of previous things that gives you 30 tumors from nasty frequencies and radiation.

 

[Just]

How do they know that history has been stolen?
Have you had the experience yourself that historical events you could remember are suddenly gone?

I myself have had such experiences several times in my life. I witnessed important events in the world directly or indirectly and from one day to the next most of the people around me knew nothing about them. But I still knew about it. This happened a few times in the 90s between 1992 and 1997, but it also happened a few more times between 2006 and 2009. What was striking was that it was always about an event that had happened on a single day X that people had forgotten about the next day. So far, I have no meaningful explanation other than collective amnesia, especially because it was always about a bad event. This confirms Immanuel Velikovsky's theory that people forget or repress something after certain events and then act as if everything had always been the way it is now, even though this is not true. However, it does not explain why I can still remember.

I later became aware of the Mandela Effect phenomenon, but this is mainly about historical events being altered and not simply stolen. However, I began to suspect that some of the events I could still remember had not been completely stolen, but had simply been shifted too many years into the past so that they would not attract too much attention in the present.
So in a way, this is really the Mandela effect in terms of memories that you want to repress.

I just wondered what the point and purpose of losing memories was, or believing that certain memories might not be your own, but memories of people who lived before you. Who would benefit from this?
If the purpose was to deprive humanity of their memories or to keep them in a sleep mode where they could be better controlled and influenced, I would suspect some supernatural malevolent power behind it. Perhaps a power that cannot be clearly identified or seen. Some in this forum allude to the Matrix theme. But I don't believe in an artificial intelligence as an evil force that is some computer program. I rather believe in a physical real being that acts similarly to an anti-natural and anti-spiritual entity. Perhaps a kind of devil as an opponent to God.

Could you give an example of an event that you remember but other people don’t? I’ve actually found with the recent scamdemic how much that happened and that I remember as very clear evidence that we were being scammed has been completely forgotten by so many people. But these things can be googled and clearly happened and when I remind someone of it they seem to have never known about the nonsense and look at me as if I’m making it up. I believe they were trapped in a state of fear and inertia and denial is their only defence.

 

[Akanah]

Could you give an example of an event that you remember but other people don’t? I’ve actually found with the recent scamdemic how much that happened and that I remember as very clear evidence that we were being scammed has been completely forgotten by so many people. But these things can be googled and clearly happened and when I remind someone of it they seem to have never known about the nonsense and look at me as if I’m making it up. I believe they were trapped in a state of fear and inertia and denial is their only defence.

Most of my memories took place in the 90s and I could write novels about them. Unfortunately, I was a child at the time so I can't give an exact year.
One example is about how in the 90s we humans had something like plasma technology and within a few months humans built a very modern zeppelin with plasma propulsion. This zeppelin looked like a spaceship, so it had a metallic hull and a plasma drive.
In my memory, there were people who were very upset after the construction of this expensive zeppelin because it was a waste of taxes and had been built without the consent or knowledge of the population. At the time, an environmental organization also said that the money should have been spent on saving the whales rather than on this zeppelin. This organization then sold or distributed masses of orca stuffed animals as a campaign against the construction of the zeppelin. To mock the zeppelin, people called it a big whale. The story of the zeppelin ended almost as quickly as it had begun, however, because there was an explosion on the zeppelin.
Nobody knows whether it was a technical accident due to the untested plasma drive or whether it was sabbotage. But a fire broke out on the zeppelin and when this fire could not be extinguished after a few days, the whole thing exploded and it crashed to earth. There was a big fire at the place where the zeppelin had crashed.
People couldn't even remember the Zeppelin disaster afterwards. I think that a lot had been suppressed. Years later I only heard about the German Zeppelin disaster in 1938 and was surprised, because I had a memory of a Zeppelin disaster in the 1990s involving a more modern Zeppelin, about which there were no records.

Another memory is about the tank that ran over a Chinese student. I clearly remember seeing this on TV between 2007 and 2009. I had already grown up and I remembered how the student was run over and I and my family were completely shocked by it. We all thought that World War 3 had broken out. But then, strangely enough, nobody remembered it the day after and when I asked my mother about the incident, we looked it up on the internet and it said that there was this incident with the Chinese students and the tank in 1989 and that the student wasn't run over. I found it all very strange. I was still a baby in 1989 and we didn't have a TV back then. I actually saw this rolled over student on TV sometime between 2007 - 2009 and not as a baby or anything.

Well, these were two specific examples and each time I believed afterwards that there was something wrong with humanity or human history.
Both examples had been major tragedies that humanity had severely repressed. I have wondered whether mankind might have the ability to manipulate terrible events so that they are later assigned to the wrong time or changed historically. No one knows exactly what powers of manifestation people might have. Or perhaps we are actually living in a simulation and every time a major terrible event occurs, the world and history are changed.

Regards,
Akanah

 

[Ayiio]

Right now we are living Alladin and the 40 thieves . The À.I and the parasites.

 

[Ponygirl]

Most of my memories took place in the 90s and I could write novels about them. Unfortunately, I was a child at the time so I can't give an exact year.
One example is about how in the 90s we humans had something like plasma technology and within a few months humans built a very modern zeppelin with plasma propulsion. This zeppelin looked like a spaceship, so it had a metallic hull and a plasma drive.
In my memory, there were people who were very upset after the construction of this expensive zeppelin because it was a waste of taxes and had been built without the consent or knowledge of the population. At the time, an environmental organization also said that the money should have been spent on saving the whales rather than on this zeppelin. This organization then sold or distributed masses of orca stuffed animals as a campaign against the construction of the zeppelin. To mock the zeppelin, people called it a big whale. The story of the zeppelin ended almost as quickly as it had begun, however, because there was an explosion on the zeppelin.
Nobody knows whether it was a technical accident due to the untested plasma drive or whether it was sabbotage. But a fire broke out on the zeppelin and when this fire could not be extinguished after a few days, the whole thing exploded and it crashed to earth. There was a big fire at the place where the zeppelin had crashed.
People couldn't even remember the Zeppelin disaster afterwards. I think that a lot had been suppressed. Years later I only heard about the German Zeppelin disaster in 1938 and was surprised, because I had a memory of a Zeppelin disaster in the 1990s involving a more modern Zeppelin, about which there were no records.

Another memory is about the tank that ran over a Chinese student. I clearly remember seeing this on TV between 2007 and 2009. I had already grown up and I remembered how the student was run over and I and my family were completely shocked by it. We all thought that World War 3 had broken out. But then, strangely enough, nobody remembered it the day after and when I asked my mother about the incident, we looked it up on the internet and it said that there was this incident with the Chinese students and the tank in 1989 and that the student wasn't run over. I found it all very strange. I was still a baby in 1989 and we didn't have a TV back then. I actually saw this rolled over student on TV sometime between 2007 - 2009 and not as a baby or anything.

Well, these were two specific examples and each time I believed afterwards that there was something wrong with humanity or human history.
Both examples had been major tragedies that humanity had severely repressed. I have wondered whether mankind might have the ability to manipulate terrible events so that they are later assigned to the wrong time or changed historically. No one knows exactly what powers of manifestation people might have. Or perhaps we are actually living in a simulation and every time a major terrible event occurs, the world and history are changed.

Regards,
Akanah

I remember Rachel Corey being run over by a tank. She was wearing a red or orange coat. No consequences for the tank driver who must have been able to see her. She was protecting a home.

 

[Ponygirl]

Most of my memories took place in the 90s and I could write novels about them. Unfortunately, I was a child at the time so I can't give an exact year.
One example is about how in the 90s we humans had something like plasma technology and within a few months humans built a very modern zeppelin with plasma propulsion. This zeppelin looked like a spaceship, so it had a metallic hull and a plasma drive.
In my memory, there were people who were very upset after the construction of this expensive zeppelin because it was a waste of taxes and had been built without the consent or knowledge of the population. At the time, an environmental organization also said that the money should have been spent on saving the whales rather than on this zeppelin. This organization then sold or distributed masses of orca stuffed animals as a campaign against the construction of the zeppelin. To mock the zeppelin, people called it a big whale. The story of the zeppelin ended almost as quickly as it had begun, however, because there was an explosion on the zeppelin.
Nobody knows whether it was a technical accident due to the untested plasma drive or whether it was sabbotage. But a fire broke out on the zeppelin and when this fire could not be extinguished after a few days, the whole thing exploded and it crashed to earth. There was a big fire at the place where the zeppelin had crashed.
People couldn't even remember the Zeppelin disaster afterwards. I think that a lot had been suppressed. Years later I only heard about the German Zeppelin disaster in 1938 and was surprised, because I had a memory of a Zeppelin disaster in the 1990s involving a more modern Zeppelin, about which there were no records.

Another memory is about the tank that ran over a Chinese student. I clearly remember seeing this on TV between 2007 and 2009. I had already grown up and I remembered how the student was run over and I and my family were completely shocked by it. We all thought that World War 3 had broken out. But then, strangely enough, nobody remembered it the day after and when I asked my mother about the incident, we looked it up on the internet and it said that there was this incident with the Chinese students and the tank in 1989 and that the student wasn't run over. I found it all very strange. I was still a baby in 1989 and we didn't have a TV back then. I actually saw this rolled over student on TV sometime between 2007 - 2009 and not as a baby or anything.

Well, these were two specific examples and each time I believed afterwards that there was something wrong with humanity or human history.
Both examples had been major tragedies that humanity had severely repressed. I have wondered whether mankind might have the ability to manipulate terrible events so that they are later assigned to the wrong time or changed historically. No one knows exactly what powers of manifestation people might have. Or perhaps we are actually living in a simulation and every time a major terrible event occurs, the world and history are changed.

Regards,
Akanah

I don’t remember the zeppelin or plasma power or the crash and I was in my twenties.

 

[Gladius]

I remember Rachel Corey being run over by a tank. She was wearing a red or orange coat. No consequences for the tank driver who must have been able to see her. She was protecting a home.

Here's a great example of people "remembering" what the media told them to remember. The leftist group she was a part of rushed to portray an image which was instantly believed despite the facts disproving that story. Whoever makes up the story first wins, due to people's attraction to be convinced by narratives of injustice.

She was not protecting any home.
The incident happened in the most hostile part of the Gaza-Egypt border, where nobody resides, and where soldiers used to uncover insurgent tunnels with large D-9 armored tractors, which they aren't allowed to exit due to RPG and sniper fire threat.
A photo was then released showing Corey standing in front of the tractor, serving as "proof" that the driver saw her, however it was later admitted that the photo was from a former protest.
Corey was killed from the heavy debris being thrown around by the tractor, and was not seen by it nor ran over by it.

Below is a D9 caterpillar. With such limited view, it is virtually impossible for a driver to notice a random person while focused on not getting shot doing his job in a restricted military area. (where people aren't supposed to be)

Evidently, the protestors ceased from trying to block D9's for the same reason "stop-oil" protestors don't sit on the German autobahn road.

The aim here is just to demonstrate how the media establishes a narrative that lingers forever even when the facts have already disputed it.

 

[Phoenician Hunter]

Yes, Saturn is a constant. So Saturn = Satan?

Saturn = Time. Time destroys all.

 

[feralimal]

A photo was then released showing Corey standing in front of the tractor, serving as "proof" that the driver saw her, however it was later admitted that the photo was from a former protest.
Corey was killed from the heavy debris being thrown around by the tractor, and was not seen by it nor ran over by it.

Did the person even die, would be my question, or was even that part of the narrative.