SH Archive World population: where are the missing trillions of people?

[busy.baci]

If there was a reset of the population on earth a good time to pull it off might have been during the Dark Ages. Historically speaking it is the most appropriate moment for a major catastrophe to have happened and it's resulting effect is almost the extinction of the whole human species I would say. What really happened during the end of the Roman Empire is remarkable and Gunnar Heinsohn does a really god job in describing that cataclysmic event. From his research (How Long Was the First Millennium? (Part 3/3, Unz review) there are 3 of these events which are recorded in the established timeline and he rigorously thinks that those are one and only the same event.

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Calculating the exponential growth of mankind on earth as a function of time is tricky, and a simple equation might not be accurate in it's results, because there are many variables that have a lot of weight in it on the long run. Factors as Religious beliefs regarding marriage, mono-gamy, poly-gamy, industrialism, feminism, food production, comfortable way of life etc. Many of these has to do directly with how societies are sociologically shaped and how individuals of those societies follow the trends.

For example. If there was no monogamy legally enforced in much of the countries of the world, it would be very easy to predict an explosion in birth rates. Imagine a single man being married let's say to a maximum of 4-5 wives during his lifetime and not divorcing any of them. I would expect that big family to have easily 20-25 childrens if the costs of living are affordable and food is cheap and abundant. There is no amount of war victims, natural catastrophe, diseases etc that would flatten the curve of population growth, assuming that such practice would be incentivized and be supported by a religious belief and from the state.

I found some graphs below on world population growth the numbers are in line with UN and you can verify their sources yourself going in the end of the web page. Nonetheless statistically speaking the numbers are interesting.

World Population Growth
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So according to the graph in the year 1803 all of humanity was up to 1 billion people and since then, we've been exponentially growing steadily with a higher trend starting in 1960 and keeping it's pace to current day with an even higher rate of growth projected for the future, which it is highly doubtful considering what we experience daily.

What I see daily and year by year from my perspective, is less and less people inhabiting cities and rural areas. In the rural areas and villages there are many empty houses and fields of land. There are only elders living there. This is primarily due to internal migration towards the urban areas and their surroundings, as it also due to migration toward other developed countries, but still, there should not have been such a desperate picture. I mean, what once was a village of 4-5 k people, now it is reduced to barely 200-300 elders, sometime even less.

The population of China and India combined is very large on how they present it. I also think those numbers are inflated. How do they procure all the food that is necessary to feed 2.8 billion people? They would have run out of food long ago and would have invaded the fertile lands of eastern Russia as a minimum. It just doesn't make sense. Also I've noticed that during the last 1-2 years there's an increasing interest from many nations updating their census data, I think it all comes down to UN wanting the real figures and seeing how many people are left alive after the last health-care treatment. Or, they might just want to pinpoint the data to be exploited for their 2030 agenda. Who knows.

Edit to correct mistakes.

 

[Gladius]

How do they procure all the food that is necessary to feed 2.8 billion people? They would have run out of food long ago and would have invaded the fertile lands of eastern Russia as a minimum. It just doesn't make sense.

Good points, can you elaborate on that part if you have some numbers? I never thought of this angle before.

 

[busy.baci]

Good points, can you elaborate on that part if you have some numbers? I never thought of this angle before.

It would be good for me to be in possession of the real statistical data about the world's population growth and food consumption, but unfortunately, I can only work with whatever data is being published online and those graphs can show you what they want you to be believing. A more in depth analysis of China's and India's real population number would require me to do a lot of searching and comparing different sets of data to find the golden medium, that's called market study, and usually I do those type of searches under a paywall because they can generate profit for the beneficiaries of it.

Anyway, I'll try to make my point even though it doesn't have a solid foundation as I would require it to have.

What I envisioned for China's population food consumption was arable land mass. Much of China's territory is mountainous areas which aren't usable for food production, whether it's grains, vegetables or fruits which make the standard family food basket of goods in a under development country. The graph below shows how much of arable land is in percentage to it's total land by countries.

Arable land (% of land area)-The World Bank​

The graph is interactive and if you hover with your mouse you'll see that the % of arable land for China is 12.68% which is very low, for India is 52.61%, Pakistan 39.57%, Bangladesh 59.71%, Russia 7.43 which is very low and unusual for me. India has the best arable lands because of it's irrigation, climate and diversity of foods. China in contrast does it's best to maximize the use of fertilizers to maximum crop output, even though it's percentage of arable land is minimal.

Population by country, 1500 to 2000​

This other graph which is interactive also shows the total number of population count through the years. I don't know how they got the data for the year 1500 where the UN shows that China and India has already a larger population compared to other countries including Nigeria. But what's interesting to see is the jump in the population number of all the selected countries in the same time, with China and India leading the curve up to the year 2000.

How did they (China, India) grow up that quickly is remarkable. That was the time of many wars and famines, poverty, the merciless exploitation of them by the East India Co. but yet, their numbers grew exponentially, far more than in the Americas, Europe, or Africa. Supposedly, the amount of arable land during the 19th Century must have been less that of today, but that didn't stop them from multiplying. Strange.

Let's take a look at another interactive graph you can play with. It's China's food trade from 2003 to 2017.

How is China Feeding its Population of 1.4 Billion?
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The data shows that China in the year 2003 had a total food import of $14B and export of food of $20.2B.
Compared to 2017 with food imports of $105B and exports of $59.6B by major countries. Showing a clear trend of the middle class having a bigger appetite for processed foods and dairy products, which is expected with the enormous economic boost China had from the early seventies up to late 2000s, where they had a population boost of roughly 240 million people from the year 2000.

China has historically strived for self-sufficiency in domestic food production. In 1996, the government issued a white paper that established a 95 percent self-sufficiency target for grains including rice, wheat, and corn. China’s domestic production has for the most part risen to meet the country’s growing demand.


Over the past several decades, China’s grain consumption has more than tripled from 125 million metric tons (tonnes, t) in 1975 to 420 million tonnes in 2018.1 Considerable investments in agriculture have enabled China’s farmers to produce high volumes of staple crops, allowing the country to achieve a roughly one-to-one ratio of production and consumption of grains. India has achieved a similar one-to-one ratio of grain production and consumption, but it has also positioned itself as the world’s leading exporter of rice. In 2018-2019, India exported nearly 9.8 million tonnes of rice – roughly 22.5 percent of the global total. China by comparison was the sixth-largest exporter over the same period, accounting for just 6.3 percent of global exports.


Agricultural leaders like the US and Australia have a higher grain production-consumption ratio. The US on average produces roughly 1.4 times more grain than it consumes. Australia, which boasts the most arable land per capita in the world, produces more than three times as much wheat as it consumes.

With regard to meat products, China has witnessed an astronomical increase in consumption. In 1975, China consumed a mere 7 million tonnes of meat.2 That figure had grown to 86.5 million tonnes by 2018, making it the largest meat consumer in the world At 55.2 million tonnes consumed, pork was China’s top meat source in 2018 by a wide margin. On a per capita basis, China consumed 48.9 kilograms (kg) of meat per person in 2018 – roughly half as much as the US (99 kg per capita) and Australia (93 kg), but slightly higher than Japan (43 kg).


This exploding demand for meat in China can be largely attributed to changing demographics. The emergence of China’s urban middle class has corresponded with a shift away from a grain-oriented diet to an increasingly meat-heavy intake. More affluent urban residents have likewise developed an appetite for other resource-intensive foods, such as dairy products.

Now, they're attributing all of the China's increase in food production towards exports as a direct merit of China's prosperity under the reforms being taken by the CCP. But in the same time the CCP is struggling recently to meet China's demand for food imports because they changed their habits and roughly 50% of the population is living in urban areas.

Watch Out: China Cannot Feed Itself | Opinion

Finally, if all this were not bad enough, an affluent population is demanding high-value protein foods—chiefly beef, pork, poultry and lamb. This requires more water and far more agricultural production. "It seems the Communist Party itself doesn't think it will have enough land or water to produce not just the human food, but also the animal feed it will need," Cleo Paskal of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies told me.

The net result? China is now the world's largest importer of food.

And it will have to import even more in coming years. Analysts project that China's food self-sufficiency will drop to around 91 percent by 2025, down from 94.5 percent in 2015.

With rising population and declining arable land, China may be staring at a major food crisis

New Delhi: China faces a daunting task to feed 22 per cent of the world population with only 07 per cent of the global arable land. There are 334 million acres of arable land, of which roughly 37 million acres are non cultivable.

Since 1949, China lost one fifth of its arable land to urbanization and industrialization and currently only about 10 to 15 per cent of the land is left good for agriculture (compared to 1 percent in Saudi Arabia, 50 percent in India, 20 percent in the United States, and 32 percent in France).

There is 545,960 square kilometers of irrigated land in China and about 40 per cent of China's crop land is irrigated. The average yield per acre in China is high as China uses more fertilizer that any other country in the world.

The mismatch between agricultural (grain) supply and demand in China, is high. China has struggled to feed its 1.4 billion people, amidst recurrent natural calamities (floods, droughts), shrinking arable land, severe water shortages, depleting workforce, etc. China estimates that by 2030, when its population is expected to reach 1.5 billion, it will need to produce an additional 100 million tons of food grains each year.

So from reading some of the latest articles China is facing a food problem caused by it's massive population number and it's big appetite going at the same levels as developed western countries.

I think this part is only the surface and it is propaganda to cover up what the real plans of the CCP are. I don't think they're suffering a food problem even though they are importing massive quantities of grains, rice, other type of foods and including recently fuel and liquid gas. No. This might be a cover up, because they're buying land in Africa and in many other countries, mainly agricultural fertile lands and shipping ports throughout Europe or South America.

Paskal thinks China, to solve its food problem, will continue to buy farmland in Africa, Canada and around the world, but it is also possible that Xi will try more aggressive measures to ensure food self-sufficiency.

Henry Kissinger often—and correctly—reminds us how Chinese leaders are devoted students of history and devise current strategies from successful ones in the past. Xi Jinping, therefore, may believe he will need to annex land to give the Chinese state a more secure hold on agricultural areas before going on to achieve his grand territorial ambitions. Annexation, after all, is how the Qin, during the Warring States period of the fifth to third century B.C., succeeded in conquering others. It first grabbed land from small neighbors to assure food supply in order to sustain its successful campaigns against the larger kingdoms to "unite China."

This is exactly the classic hidden dragon sneaky type of maneuver, they show you their weak spot to appeal to mercy and humanism by using greedy politicians to buy land properties and they'll use those assets to default those countries and slowly colonize them with worker bees and settlers. They're more diabolic than Sorro's agendas to be frank. I don't think they are in the billions if they're doing this. If they really were, they wouldn't resort to these sneaky serpent tactics.

Some other sites to dig for more info.

• How hungry is China for the world's food?
• 4 Countries That Produce the Most Food

 

[Gladius]

@BusyBaci
In regards to the precentage of arable land, I think the data you presented is not relevant to the food supply claim, simply because it considers the country's borders, and not population or other factors.
Russia eastern part is very arid in comparison to its smaller, European part, which is very fertile, and home to a large part of its population.
China's population is also centered along its shores, and in generaly the eastern part. Tibet, for example, makes a large part of China, and is very arid, but also very sparse in population.
In order to relate to this data better, we'd have to use provinicial data. Also you have to consider what type of land is available, how exhausted or regenerative it is, what grows on it (staple crops, cash crops etc.) and how efficient are the methods. In short, it's a long way to actually calculate the availability of food just by arable land. I'm sure this data exists but is probably classified to government level.

(For example, Yemen is very arid, has a certain amount of arable land, and most of it is used to grow Ghat, literally a plant for leisure and not food, so you could say Yemen has no food independence at all)

I do think, like you, that China's numbers are vastly exaggerated, but I still can't see the data to support that they don't have the food supply for it. Even if the land itself doesn't support it, it's not an evidence for fake pop numbers, as imports can be made. China imports from everyone, everywhere. Last year they literally bought half the soy supply of Brazil. They buy so much, that the price of animal feed has skyrocketed in the West.

What's the reason behind all this is hard to tell, but it could be that China is gradually turning to a global food bank, so it overly buys food stocks just to keep them to be used as leverage in 2,5,10 years from now. The same countries who sold them food will now stand in line to buy it back (and pretend it wasn't planned).

Regarding meat, remember that it's a privilege in the eyes of the elite. From their perspective, steady meat consumption is required only by those who enforce the law and order, as it gives you muscle and better senses. Best example is In Communist Cuba, the average citizen could receive a meat portion once a week. If you worked for the police, you could eat meat in a police restaurant several times a week, while the Army soldiers could eat meat daily.
Bottom line, they can afford to just take meat out of the equation and reduce their people back to peasantry, thus saving on crops.

Back to the original question, if we look at China's history, we have nearly hundred million dead just in 1925-1950, aka WW2, Civil War and then the Great Leap. Possibly they had a long "Boomer" generation(s) to compensate for it, and so their population really did explode, but they used this fact to bump up their numbers - after all, there's no way for ordinary people to deny or confirm them.
China has a history of over reporting. I don't know if it's just a story, but I learned that many died in the famine due to governors and officers faking the numbers of their food production.
So maybe it's "natural" for them to do this.
We will remain kind of ignorant about this until a Chinese SH member will enlighten us more.

 

[mifletzet]

We have heard of the recently built empty cities of China.

And also claims that the world population is less than the claimed 7.9 billion, and that from 2025 the human population will start to go in to slow perpetual decline. With severely negative irreversible birthrate the White Man worldwide in particular will become almost extinct worldwide by 2100, ceteris paribus.

Already in the USA some cities seem to have become literally empty?!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLw4qgHlXi0&t=2299s

 

[Whitewave]

Disturbing and haunting video of desolation but I'm not sure how it relates to the extinction of white people. Having been to Phoenix, I can't say that anywhere in Arizona is a haven for white people. They do exist there of course but probably not in the majority.

Are you suggesting that the video is documenting the loss of a predominantly Caucasian population? My guess would be that it's nearly noon in Arizona, hotter than the hubs of hell and people are indoors in front of their AC units. If the area is that deserted in the morning or pre evening hours then his point is made.

But yes, the white race is experiencing a population decline.

 

[SpartyBOT]

@BusyBaci
In regards to the precentage of arable land, I think the data you presented is not relevant to the food supply claim, simply because it considers the country's borders, and not population or other factors.
Russia eastern part is very arid in comparison to its smaller, European part, which is very fertile, and home to a large part of its population.
China's population is also centered along its shores, and in generaly the eastern part. Tibet, for example, makes a large part of China, and is very arid, but also very sparse in population.
In order to relate to this data better, we'd have to use provinicial data. Also you have to consider what type of land is available, how exhausted or regenerative it is, what grows on it (staple crops, cash crops etc.) and how efficient are the methods. In short, it's a long way to actually calculate the availability of food just by arable land. I'm sure this data exists but is probably classified to government level.

(For example, Yemen is very arid, has a certain amount of arable land, and most of it is used to grow Ghat, literally a plant for leisure and not food, so you could say Yemen has no food independence at all)

I do think, like you, that China's numbers are vastly exaggerated, but I still can't see the data to support that they don't have the food supply for it. Even if the land itself doesn't support it, it's not an evidence for fake pop numbers, as imports can be made. China imports from everyone, everywhere. Last year they literally bought half the soy supply of Brazil. They buy so much, that the price of animal feed has skyrocketed in the West.

What's the reason behind all this is hard to tell, but it could be that China is gradually turning to a global food bank, so it overly buys food stocks just to keep them to be used as leverage in 2,5,10 years from now. The same countries who sold them food will now stand in line to buy it back (and pretend it wasn't planned).

Regarding meat, remember that it's a privilege in the eyes of the elite. From their perspective, steady meat consumption is required only by those who enforce the law and order, as it gives you muscle and better senses. Best example is In Communist Cuba, the average citizen could receive a meat portion once a week. If you worked for the police, you could eat meat in a police restaurant several times a week, while the Army soldiers could eat meat daily.
Bottom line, they can afford to just take meat out of the equation and reduce their people back to peasantry, thus saving on crops.

Back to the original question, if we look at China's history, we have nearly hundred million dead just in 1925-1950, aka WW2, Civil War and then the Great Leap. Possibly they had a long "Boomer" generation(s) to compensate for it, and so their population really did explode, but they used this fact to bump up their numbers - after all, there's no way for ordinary people to deny or confirm them.
China has a history of over reporting. I don't know if it's just a story, but I learned that many died in the famine due to governors and officers faking the numbers of their food production.
So maybe it's "natural" for them to do this.
We will remain kind of ignorant about this until a Chinese SH member will enlighten us more.

What about fish and other seafood?

 

[mifletzet]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI44YvXi2mA

Indeed, could the entire world's population be only half of what they claim?!

 

[Tetromino]

Indeed, could the entire world's population be only half of what they claim?!

It's a good question. Who's doing the counting after all?

 

[Gladius]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI44YvXi2mA

Indeed, could the entire world's population be only half of what they claim?!

Legit question but very low effort video with no data. The user promotes a site called "thepeoplesvoice" which posts made up articles with fake quotes.

Another channel from the bot farm?

 

[Gold]

It's a good question. Who's doing the counting after all?

Just wanted to say your moon light tower thread was great. Keep up the good work, most people wouldn't have noticed those airbrushed towers and wires.