SH Archive 2017 Urban fires in California. Could DEW weapons be the true cause?

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Username: ISeenItFirst
Date: 2019-07-04 17:02:45
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I'm not trying to pour gasoline on a fire here. I do believe in civil discourse. I thought to give my two cents regarding the two quotes above.

Beins I am a well rounded metal fabricator and welder, custom, industrial, etc, for several decades, I would have to disagree with both of you that 304 SS isn't magnetic.

304 has it's place and purpose, and it has slight magnetic properties. In layman's terms, I would refer to 304 as an impure SS alloy in the big picture of SS, 316/316L being far superior regarding purity.

A lot of industrial fabrication shops work with a lot of 316, and 304, and most all have an area that keep usable scrap from the plate shear, plasma table, etc. How did I used to tell which was 304, and which was 316 if it had no visible markings... A magnet.

I just tested my kitchen sink, and it's slightly magnetic as well

OMG. Please don't. I was trying to keep this simple.

You are, of course, 100% correct. 304 comes in multiple varieties (microgroups), and the variety most commonly used in kitchens is slightly ferromagnetic (although at a level well below what would normally be called "magnetic"). The austenitic iron, is not ferromagnetic. However this structure can be changed by things like cold working or welding. The austenitic forms of iron present have even been shown to occaisonally spontaneously change to ferritic or martensitic, and the levels of Nickel or Chromium present in the specific alloy (within the range for the type) can have an effect as well.

90% of the forum members probably have no idea what these 316s and 304s are.

Most of us simply want to know whether a regular forest fire could cause the damages suffered by Cali.

Well we first have to rule out the impossible (magnetic induction) so we can see what remains. ;o)

 

[Magnetic]

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Username: Magnetic
Date: 2019-07-04 21:22:37
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OMG. Please don't. I was trying to keep this simple.

You are, of course, 100% correct. 304 comes in multiple varieties (microgroups), and the variety most commonly used in kitchens is slightly ferromagnetic (although at a level well below what would normally be called "magnetic"). The austenitic iron, is not ferromagnetic. However this structure can be changed by things like cold working or welding. The austenitic forms of iron present have even been shown to occaisonally spontaneously change to ferritic or martensitic, and the levels of Nickel or Chromium present in the specific alloy (within the range for the type) can have an effect as well.

Well we first have to rule out the impossible (magnetic induction) so we can see what remains. ;o)

All of the evidence on the ground indicates magnetic induction heating. It's telling that you cannot refer to the evidence found at Paradise California such as fires on guard rails igniting where a steel bolt is attached to the wooden post, melted car engines, glass bottles melted on steel racks, twisted girders of steel in foundations of trailers, melted rebar, heated steel igniting gas from degenerating plastics, rusted steel on the sides of cars, spalling concrete from heated rebar which expanded and popped off the concrete, etc. The copper pans have a layer of steel that sits of the oven top and that heat is distributed to the whole of the copper.The 304 may have a tiny amount of magnetism but as the video shows the cars, steel beams, engines blocks are destroyed while the stainless steel sink is without any discoloration or deformation unlike the normal steel destruction that surrounds it. The evidence shows clearly that magnetic induction heating was the cause of the destruction of steel materials excepting the stainless steel sink which MIH would allow. When you investigate something you start with reviewing the evidence first not last or ever. Youseenitlast.

 

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Username: Schism
Date: 2019-07-05 14:51:57
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90% of the forum members probably have no idea what these 316s and 304s are.

I hear you KD. If ~90% of the forum members weren't aware, they are now. Due to their composition, some grades of stainless steel may rust, and others won't. Some have slight magnetic properties, and others don't.

Reading the input of several knowledgeable members hashing out their previous input on SS, and trying to be super accurate, I felt I had to say something as it may be relevant to the OP, the discussion at hand, etc.

Most of us simply want to know whether a regular forest fire could cause the damages suffered by Cali.

Yea, that's what I want to know more about to. Glad to see the discussion getting to the point, and more less back on topic.

 

[asatiger1966]

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Username: asatiger1966
Date: 2019-07-16 21:33:04
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True. It's just very disconcerting to see people instantly incinerated in their melting vehicles when just a few feet away is safety and unburnt areas. What horror of a human being would/could do such a thing? For testing purposes? With such weapons, no one is safe and nowhere is safe.

I was looking at some of the older threads LOL. When my pain level is high in my lower back it distracts me from thinking clearly or logical. So I forgo the topic research.

Why would you assume that the perpetrators are human similar to us? Before you ask, In over 30 years of field research, LRRP ,exploration and peer reviewing of Military Security Intelligence Support findings. Not once did we see, hear, or find any thing solid that Aliens are here.

We experienced many weird, strange and bewildering but all explainable.
Most civilians just do not have the same experiences, access to information of past natural happenings, or mental aptitude to filter out their feelings and focus, not going to already known explanations that feel comfortable.

The Military spends a lot of money funding expeditions looking for aboriginal medical cures, legends of their gods. Getting the aboriginals trust so they will share their folklore about oddities that could not be explained.

We were instructed that "anything is possible within your mind, if you can teach yourself to see"

 

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2019-07-17 14:31:45
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This isn't the right place, but don't really want to start a new thread. However the message is the same- everyone needs to open their eyes to these silent weapons (which includes paying attention to your 'moods', dreams and thoughts). It's finally hitting mainstream:
Philadelphia Attacked For Using 'Sonic Weapon' To Keep Kids Away From Parks

 

[Whitewave]

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-07-18 15:30:07
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Why would you assume that the perpetrators are human similar to us? Before you ask, In over 30 years of field research, LRRP ,exploration and peer reviewing of Military Security Intelligence Support findings. Not once did we see, hear, or find any thing solid that Aliens are here.

I assume humans are responsible rather than aliens because I've never seen any credible evidence of alien attacks on humans (not to say there haven't been any-just that I haven't seen it) but I've seen plenty of evidence for humans doing god-awful things to their fellow man.
I'd think if aliens wanted to do serious damage to human beings they wouldn't have any problems doing so. One assumes that if they're technologically advanced enough to get here, they're sufficiently advanced to wipe us out without having any difficulty doing so. Plus, if aliens were going to do damage to humans, you'd think they'd pick a bigger target than just one street in Greece or one town in USA. These attacks seem more like tests to me; one on stationary targets and one on moving targets. One long range, one short range.

 

[irishbalt]

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Username: irishbalt
Date: 2019-07-18 20:35:33
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I try to keep it simple. Regarding these fires:

1. Eye witness accounts of firemen, each with 20-30 years experience, say this was not a class A fire

2. Selectivity, geometry and linearity of the burn scars show intention, not organic spread.

3. Follow the money to find the culprits.

4. Extremely disturbing how thousands can go missing (mass murder?) and there are crickets.

5. In summary, this is a bad deal; bad for people, bad for earth, trees and animals. Anti-human and anti-life action is always bad, it defines evil and seperates people from the Creator and Source.

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-07-18 21:00:32
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. Extremely disturbing how thousands can go missing (mass murder?) and there are crickets.

Could you please clarify this one here? Pretty sure it’s somewhere in the above 12 pages, so if you’d be willing to... what numbers are we talking about here?

 

[asatiger1966]

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Username: asatiger1966
Date: 2019-07-18 21:02:52
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Yes magnetic induction heating of ferrous metals would leave garbage cans and trees alone with no damage. Humans would suffer no damage but if you were trapped in a car where with the ferrous metals radiating 3000 degrees Fahrenheit, it would kill you quickly.
One thing that is not classical MIH is the pulverizing of the concrete and ceramic bathroom sinks, toilets, and bathtubs in the California areas affected by the "forest fires". Since I think that magnetism is the key to understanding these technologies, I will speculate that a different frequency or configuration of a magnetic field dissociates or transmutes molecules in the brick, mortar, and stones so they have much less strength or no strength at all, causing structures to fail. Re-bar in structures will heat up and expand and will spall out (fracture and push out pieces of concrete surrounding the re-bar) the concrete since concrete is brittle and has little tensile strength but a toilet has no re-bar. So there must be an additional force to cause these destruction's.
As far as other forces involved I have seen the videos with "lasers" and such and it makes sense they would cover their tracks with some real forest fires as a camouflage cover for what they are doing.

Magnetic, I enjoy your reasoning. Having served with WWII Paratroops, I was told this story by one First Sargent and his running mate a Master Sargent attached with a Russian recon unit.
Late in war the on the outskirts of a Ukraine town. They came upon a bizarre situation.

The main road leading south out of town was faced with thirty feet high embankments. On top of the embankments were about 200 German soldiers waiting in ambush for a Russian unit of about 100 men and trucks.

The unit the Americans were working with became aware to this event at twilight by a ruby red expanding dome over this site. No one knew what they were looking at, then violent explosions , inside the dome made it a priority to see WTF.

On approaching the dome dissipated. On site it was discovered that every solider of both armies were dead. Every bullet, hand grenade, mortar shell, any type of explosive detonated. Killing all. The trucks were carrying medical supplies, food and artillery shells.

They were there about thirty minutes and another ruby red dome started to form closer to town maybe a mile away. The Russian commander went nuts ordered a withdrawal , leaving his company by themselves as he drove away rapidly.

Even as they told the story to about eight of us, they laughed their axxx off at the thought of the Russian Commander running.

So Magnetic, what is your best guess?

 

[irishbalt]

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Username: irishbalt
Date: 2019-07-18 21:23:16
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Could you please clarify this one here? Pretty sure it’s somewhere in the above 12 pages, so if you’d be willing to... what numbers are we talking about here?

Number of missing grows to more than 1,000 in California's Camp Fire

That is only an official report.

Magnetic, I enjoy your reasoning. Having served with WWII Paratroops, I was told this story by one First Sargent and his running mate a Master Sargent attached with a Russian recon unit.
Late in war the on the outskirts of a Ukraine town. They came upon a bizarre situation.

The main road leading south out of town was faced with thirty feet high embankments. On top of the embankments were about 200 German soldiers waiting in ambush for a Russian unit of about 100 men and trucks.

The unit the Americans were working with became aware to this event at twilight by a ruby red expanding dome over this site. No one knew what they were looking at, then violent explosions , inside the dome made it a priority to see WTF.

On approaching the dome dissipated. On site it was discovered that every solider of both armies were dead. Every bullet, hand grenade, mortar shell, any type of explosive detonated. Killing all. The trucks were carrying medical supplies, food and artillery shells.

They were there about thirty minutes and another ruby red dome started to form closer to town maybe a mile away. The Russian commander went nuts ordered a withdrawal , leaving his company by themselves as he drove away rapidly.

Even as they told the story to about eight of us, they laughed their axxx off at the thought of the Russian Commander running.

So Magnetic, what is your best guess?

Were you able to get a timeframe, a date this happened. 50-70 years ago?

What is out operating now!

 

[Magnetic]

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Username: Magnetic
Date: 2019-07-19 00:03:50
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Magnetic, I enjoy your reasoning. Having served with WWII Paratroops, I was told this story by one First Sargent and his running mate a Master Sargent attached with a Russian recon unit.
Late in war the on the outskirts of a Ukraine town. They came upon a bizarre situation.

The main road leading south out of town was faced with thirty feet high embankments. On top of the embankments were about 200 German soldiers waiting in ambush for a Russian unit of about 100 men and trucks.

The unit the Americans were working with became aware to this event at twilight by a ruby red expanding dome over this site. No one knew what they were looking at, then violent explosions , inside the dome made it a priority to see WTF.

On approaching the dome dissipated. On site it was discovered that every solider of both armies were dead. Every bullet, hand grenade, mortar shell, any type of explosive detonated. Killing all. The trucks were carrying medical supplies, food and artillery shells.

They were there about thirty minutes and another ruby red dome started to form closer to town maybe a mile away. The Russian commander went nuts ordered a withdrawal , leaving his company by themselves as he drove away rapidly.

Even as they told the story to about eight of us, they laughed their axxx off at the thought of the Russian Commander running.

So Magnetic, what is your best guess?

Since you did not mention melting of engine blocks, rusting of the thin metal sides of the trucks or rifle barrels melting I don't think it was magnetic induction heating. I remember 15 years ago reading Lt. Col.Tom Bearden's papers on scalar weapons but I was sceptical about the description of the technics and that they would let a soldier reveal secret weapon technology to the public. I believe I read of a description of that peculiar incident years ago but I am at a loss to ascribe an explanation. Tesla did work with scalar waves, this diagram may interest you.

Scalar Waves and Tesla Shields - Nikola Tesla - Father Of "Star Wars"?

Scalar Weapons - Read It and Weep

 

[asatiger1966]

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Username: asatiger1966
Date: 2019-07-19 00:46:45
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Number of missing grows to more than 1,000 in California's Camp Fire

That is only an official report.

Were you able to get a timeframe, a date this happened. 50-70 years ago?

What is out operating now!

Easy, it was late in the war and the Russians were just entering the Ukraine. I did not look up the history, but weren't the Germans pushed out of the Ukraine by late 1944?
So say 1944 April to maybe October.

 

[Magnetic]

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Username: Magnetic
Date: 2019-07-19 14:23:59
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Could you please clarify this one here? Pretty sure it’s somewhere in the above 12 pages, so if you’d be willing to... what numbers are we talking about here?

There were many many deaths in Paradise and in the surrounding area. Last year when I was investigating the true nature of the "forest fires" I came across a tow truck operator who lived in the general area and who came into town to move cars and look for friends and he said that every car had bones of bodies in them. He saw a bus with children in it. He estimated that just on a small stretch of road he was on there were 300 dead before he was stopped by the law from proceeding any further. There was lane blocks by the police that kept fleeing people stationary in their cars and they were incinerated. It's totally BS that there were only 85 killed. It was thousands!

 

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Username: Robinl17
Date: 2019-08-11 17:43:45
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In one of those videos local residents are asking for investigation of what really happened. News media does not cover things like this.

I can't remember where I heard it, but it was said that the Paradise fires were to eliminate a community of hybrids that might have wanted to come forward. This might answer the question as to why houses were destoryed for no apparent reason. Just when you think things could not get any weirder.

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-08-11 18:15:08
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I can't remember where I heard it, but it was said that the Paradise fires were to eliminate a community of hybrids that might have wanted to come forward.

Would be nice to get some additional info on that.

 

[irishbalt]

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Username: irishbalt
Date: 2019-08-11 18:51:30
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Would be nice to get some additional info on that.

I've seen something like this, and I believe it is propaganda. Changing the subject, all the sudden we are not talking about all the anomalies of the Paradise fires and asking where all the people are.

 

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2019-08-12 14:07:39
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Would be nice to get some additional info on that.

I believe this video talks about the underground of paradise. Starts at 58 min and may go into part 2. A guy told about it several years ago. Remember the show Eureka?

 

[irishbalt]

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Username: irishbalt
Date: 2019-08-12 18:18:42
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I believe this video talks about the underground of paradise. Starts at 58 min and may go into part 2. A guy told about it several years ago. Remember the show Eureka?

Yep, thats the video.

here is the guy from "a plane truth"

Here is Deborah Tevares:

 

[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-08-12 21:12:05
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The first video above is pretty powerful. It’s insane if this is indeed what’s happening,

 

[anotherlayer]

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Username: anotherlayer
Date: 2019-08-20 00:09:32
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Not to keep on this but, what is meant by "community hybrids"?