Accommodating the Mudflood & Reset

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it's still worth mentioning that the documentation and memory just doesn't go that far back.

Whilst I understand your point, I can only speak for myself and assure you that I would not make such claims if they were not based upon documented historical evidence and I'm sure the other members who made similar observations above do so from the same basis. Obviously, no one is going to dox themselves though.

How hard is it to just make up a person anyway?

I suppose that depends upon the systems in place at the time for recording such events in the area of residence. It's not hard to 'make up a person', but to get that person officially registered is another issue and if you can't get that person registered then they wouldn't show up as a historical statistic. Besides, would anyone during pre-digital times really 'make up' literally millions of fictitious people and go to all the trouble to get them registered - how long would that take?

I'm giving those statements a huge benefit of the doubt, considering some of those catastrophes might have been artificially induced on specific territories at a specific time, so clergy doesn't just cease to exist everywhere.

I think I follow your meaning and obviously there have been national catastrophes that could be classed as 'resets' and indeed artificially induced ones if you consider war and invasion to be artificially induced catastrophes. However, what's under scrutiny here are various claims to worldwide scenarios, a worldwide catastrophe, such as a mudflood and a worldwide reset whereby the entire structure and fabric of society was wiped away and had to be reconstructed ex nihilo.
 
Isn't it amazing that in traditional historical narratives there is a dearth of information about intact cities that were abandoned half buried in the mud and sand. An intrepid English explorer of the area which I currently live in a mister John Lawson went inland from Chareston South Carolina up through the interior of North Carolina where he carefully noted the plants, animals, terrain, the Indians, the culture, the interactions of the settlers, farming, etc. but not once in the narrative does he mention half buried magnificent buildings that he must have seen and the towns and cities that they were contained in. "A New Voyage to Carolina, Containing the Exact Description and Natural History of that Country, Together with the Present State Thereof, and a Journal of a Thousand Miles travelled through Several Nations of Indians, giving a Particular Account of their Customs, Manners, etc." (London, 1700; new editions in 1709, 1711, 1714, and 1718). The town Of Hillsborough NC he visited was an important trading spot located on a main road/trail but no mention of the preexisting buildings there or the horse racing track modeled on the Roman model. These things would be impossible to miss so these things were censored out of existance and Fauci-False narratives were substituted about how these buildings were built when the population was tiny and could not have built one of these buildings no less than a whole town of them and a Roman colliseum to boot. It seems that populations across the world were decimated and in some places like North Africa, Siberia, and North America were hit the hardest. The invaders seemed to have the organization and wherewithall to concoct narratives after the fact of the invasions where I believe there were a few survivors living a hard low existance so it was easy to conquer them. Making up documents and supplying false narratives and time lines seem to be a well thought out deception. The mud flood was key to their takeover of the previous civilizations which they dressed up as wars they won instead of fortuitous destruction of their enemies by devastating natural causes.
 
Isn't it amazing that in traditional historical narratives there is a dearth of information about intact cities that were abandoned half buried in the mud and sand. An intrepid English explorer of the area which I currently live in a mister John Lawson went inland from Chareston South Carolina up through the interior of North Carolina where he carefully noted the plants, animals, terrain, the Indians, the culture, the interactions of the settlers, farming, etc. but not once in the narrative does he mention half buried magnificent buildings that he must have seen and the towns and cities that they were contained in. "A New Voyage to Carolina, Containing the Exact Description and Natural History of that Country, Together with the Present State Thereof, and a Journal of a Thousand Miles travelled through Several Nations of Indians, giving a Particular Account of their Customs, Manners, etc." (London, 1700; new editions in 1709, 1711, 1714, and 1718). The town Of Hillsborough NC he visited was an important trading spot located on a main road/trail but no mention of the preexisting buildings there or the horse racing track modeled on the Roman model. These things would be impossible to miss so these things were censored out of existance and Fauci-False narratives were substituted about how these buildings were built when the population was tiny and could not have built one of these buildings no less than a whole town of them and a Roman colliseum to boot. It seems that populations across the world were decimated and in some places like North Africa, Siberia, and North America were hit the hardest. The invaders seemed to have the organization and wherewithall to concoct narratives after the fact of the invasions where I believe there were a few survivors living a hard low existance so it was easy to conquer them. Making up documents and supplying false narratives and time lines seem to be a well thought out deception. The mud flood was key to their takeover of the previous civilizations which they dressed up as wars they won instead of fortuitous destruction of their enemies by devastating natural causes.

what's under scrutiny here are various claims to worldwide scenarios, a worldwide catastrophe, such as a mudflood and a worldwide reset whereby the entire structure and fabric of society was wiped away and had to be reconstructed ex nihilo.
 
To my mind there was a least one Mega event and several smaller disasters that were more localized to specific continents and areas. I think the mega event happened 1486 with several less mega events happening at the times of the dating of historical wars. The explorations that were said to be done in the 1400's and 1500's did not take place until the late 1600's and early 1700's(Lawson being one of those explorers). Something happened in 1711 that flooded areas and raised the oceans by 15 feet. I have been working on a hypothesis that clay, sand, rocks and water periodically flow down from the sky. These events may be major world wide effects or minor with localized destruction. Chemical formulations like Sulfur dioxide and Sulfur trioxide may have descended and extinguished life in areas without destroying buildings. Why there was very high activity in the recent past is a mystery. Magnetic reversal would leave massive destruction in its wake but why there was more punctuated destructions afterwards is puzzling. Perhaps earth is more prone to massive destructions and change than we have come to believe. TPTB would guard this secret because they would not undertake this civilizational work if they knew the end was near.
 
I think I follow your meaning and obviously there have been national catastrophes that could be classed as 'resets' and indeed artificially induced ones if you consider war and invasion to be artificially induced catastrophes. However, what's under scrutiny here are various claims to worldwide scenarios, a worldwide catastrophe, such as a mudflood and a worldwide reset whereby the entire structure and fabric of society was wiped away and had to be reconstructed ex nihilo.
In terms of worldwide devastation the most suspicious date range for me is this:
  • 1 - 999 (64)
I've heard a proposal that Noah's flood happened in 1000 AD. The amount of documents is not unreasonable here too.
 
In terms of worldwide devastation the most suspicious date range for me is this:

I've heard a proposal that Noah's flood happened in 1000 AD. The amount of documents is not unreasonable here too.
The mud flooded buildings around the world don't look 1000 years old. The mud flood was a different more recent event perhaps.
 
The mud flooded buildings around the world don't look 1000 years old. The mud flood was a different more recent event perhaps.
Maybe make a different classification? I propose Reset Minor and Reset Major
Reset Major - worldwide civilisation-destroying event, leaving a few survivors
Reset Minor - local event that dismantles current order, ranges from some natural disaster to an outright genocide
 
It's all very well speculating upon time periods for major, minor and any other flavour of reset and pointing to mudflooded buildings in different areas, but where is the evidence that society itself was reset on a worldwide basis? Can you point to the archives of any society during the last 2000 years (developed enough to require public records) that clearly show a total cessation of all administrative activity preceded by a period of normal activity followed by a gradual recovery back to normal? Can you point to any society who's public records were obliterated by a worldwide reset during the last 2000 years and that only began at some more recent time?

The period 0001 to 0999 is an obvious contender, but is this due to a worldwide reset or the lack of historical evidence from that period? The fact that there are some records seems to support the latter or perhaps this is evidence of a gradual recovery from a prior event.

Personally, I think that any worldwide mudflood and total reset of society during the last 2000 years must have taken place during the 1000 year period that many claim have been added to the official timeline, because it doesn't seem to have left any scars on society itself, only on buildings in various places.

That there was a cataclysmic event involving the deposit of an unimaginable quantity of geological 'muck' or mud in the distant past is unquestionable. It was also accompanied by an immediate flash-freeze. The physical evidence for this points to its epicentre being at the North Pole, extending throughout the Arctic Circle. Physical evidence also demonstrates that prior to this event the area in question had a tropical climate. There is also physical, geological evidence to indicate that this muck wasn't strictly confined to the Arctic Circle, but also affected other areas further south, although diminishing in effect the further it went from the epicentre.

As for its impact upon society in terms of a reset, this is much more problematic as whatever evidence remains has been converted into worldwide mythologies, fairy-tales, and conspiracy theories. It is also difficult to know exactly what constituted 'the world' at that time as the depositing of such vast quantities of 'muck' in the Arctic inevitably had a significant impact upon sea levels throughout the rest of the world.

This speculation has already been discussed in the following thread:
King Arthur in Hyperborea & The Arctic Mud Flood Cataclysm.
 
As for its impact upon society in terms of a reset, this is much more problematic as whatever evidence remains has been converted into worldwide mythologies, fairy-tales, and conspiracy theories. It is also difficult to know exactly what constituted 'the world' at that time as the depositing of such vast quantities of 'muck' in the Arctic inevitably had a significant impact upon sea levels throughout the rest of the world.

What could potentially complicate this further is that if those areas of the planet were inhabited in the past there would be 0 evidence able to be discovered. It’s one thing to have structures buried up to a floor or two, it’s another thing entirely if we’re talking hundreds or thousands of feet of mud, in places that have been under ice for hundreds or thousands of years. Certainly I wouldn’t offer that as a “proof” of a society that had been wiped off the face of the planet in the last 1000-2000 years, but it can’t be ruled out.

Buried under that amount of catastrophe would essentially mean that stories, legends, and myths are all we would ever have of this civilization to have previously existed.
 
I know a fellow whose family farm land was issued by the crown of England in the 1760's, lived through the revolutionary war and the war of 1812. His farm is one of the oldest continually farmed and owned land in North Carolina. I asked him if their were any stories about disasters, sand storms, clay storms, earthquakes, and such but he said there were no passed down narratives of such occurrences.
What could potentially complicate this further is that if those areas of the planet were inhabited in the past there would be 0 evidence able to be discovered. It’s one thing to have structures buried up to a floor or two, it’s another thing entirely if we’re talking hundreds or thousands of feet of mud, in places that have been under ice for hundreds or thousands of years. Certainly I wouldn’t offer that as a “proof” of a society that had been wiped off the face of the planet in the last 1000-2000 years, but it can’t be ruled out.

Buried under that amount of catastrophe would essentially mean that stories, legends, and myths are all we would ever have of this civilization to have previously existed.
Yes I agree with you. If we were able to explore the continental shelf off the east coast of North America I am sure we would find star forts and cities buried in mud and debris. The region around the Azores may have portions of Atlantis there. Antarctica may have cities flash frozen in ice along with the creatures and protomen. Something is there but we are not allowed to know of it.
I know a fellow whose family farm land was issued by the crown of England in the 1760's, lived through the revolutionary war and the war of 1812. His farm is one of the oldest continually farmed and owned land in North Carolina. I asked him if their were any stories about disasters, sand storms, clay storms, earthquakes, and such but he said there were no passed down narratives of such occurrences.
What could potentially complicate this further is that if those areas of the planet were inhabited in the past there would be 0 evidence able to be discovered. It’s one thing to have structures buried up to a floor or two, it’s another thing entirely if we’re talking hundreds or thousands of feet of mud, in places that have been under ice for hundreds or thousands of years. Certainly I wouldn’t offer that as a “proof” of a society that had been wiped off the face of the planet in the last 1000-2000 years, but it can’t be ruled out.

Buried under that amount of catastrophe would essentially mean that stories, legends, and myths are all we would ever have of this civilization to have previously existed.
Yes I agree with you. If we were able to explore the continental shelf off the east coast of North America I am sure we would find star forts and cities buried in mud and debris. The region around the Azores may have portions of Atlantis there. Antarctica may have cities flash frozen in ice along with the creatures and protomen. Something is there but we are not allowed to know of it.
 
Can you point to the archives of any society during the last 2000 years (developed enough to require public records) that clearly show a total cessation of all administrative activity preceded by a period of normal activity followed by a gradual recovery back to normal? Can you point to any society who's public records were obliterated by a worldwide reset during the last 2000 years and that only began at some more recent time?
I can't point to a specific, abrupt and complete obliteration of public records worldwide, but there are a few interesting things to point out. Mainly, the languages of documentation. Change in the official/administrative/ecclesiastical language implies a change in leadership and that implies a reset (at least a minor one). Hypothetically, if there is a differing alphabet, an older form of a language or just a different language altogether, it will require a translation and that's where people with malicious intent can come in and change anything they want. I'm talking about older sources that survived of course, because book burnings are a thing (now that I think about it, it's a good place to look for resets).

For example, Lithuanian language. Officially, the first ever writing in Lithuanian is from the last page of a Latin tractate, dated to be from the early 1500s, the first book in Lithuanian was printed in the mid 1500s by a protestant priest in Prussia (it was forbidden to be printed in Lithuania). However, only in 1860s did the national consciousness took off and people here started taking interest in the language and history. Before that, in the 16th century - 19th century period people were germanised, russianised, polonised (hebrew-ised? - Vilnius had a nickname: "The Second Jerusalem") - Lithuanian speakers were becoming a minority. Anyway, before the dreaded 16th century the Grand Duchy of Lithuania used a form of Old Russian for official/administrative purposes (they attribute it to the majority of the country consisting of Ukrainians and Belarusians, both population-wise and territory-wise).

That leads to a problem, where do you attribute those Lithuanian documents to? Depending on the historical period, it's either Poland, Germany, Russia, Belarus or Ukraine. That's how most of the local documents are allegedly found today - German, Russian or Polish Libraries. The further you go, the less detailed the historical circumstances become.

Another area prone to rewriting and distortion is the alphabet. Not so long ago I found out, that before Cyrillic and Glagolitic there may have been another writing system in use:
In the State Historical Museum of Moscow, in the Polovtsy courtyard, there is a quadrangular relief, figures are carved on three sides, on the reverse side there is an inscription made in non-Cyrillic alphabet. The writing resembles the Bulgarian runes from Mfatlar (Romania). In the XIX-XX centuries, scientists were seriously engaged in this problem.

On the territory of Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Latvia, a number of inscriptions were found in the well-known Germanic runes. Chernorizets the Brave in his treatise "On Writings" mentions the use of "strokes and cuts" by the pagan Slavs for fortune telling, however, he claims that the Slavs have no written language. Also, the writing of the Veles Book, recognized by the scientific community as a forgery of the 19th-20th centuries, is identified with the Slavic runes. In the 18th century, it was announced that the "Venedian runes" were found on figurines from the Temple of Rethra, but these figurines, like the Velesov Book, were found to be fake.
From another article:
The 9th-century Bulgarian writer Chernorizets Hrabar, in his work An Account of Letters, briefly mentions that, before Christianization, Slavs used a system he had dubbed "strokes and incisions" or "tallies and sketches" in some translations. He also provided information critical to Slavonic palaeography with his book.

Before, the Slavs did not have their own books, but count and divined by means of strokes and incisions, being pagan. Having become Christian, they had to make do with the use of Roman and Greek letters without order [unsystematically], but how can one write [Slavic] well with Greek letters... and thus it was for many years.
Another contemporaneous source, Thietmar of Merseburg, describing a temple on the island of Rügen, a Slavic pagan stronghold, remarked that the idols there had their names carved out on them ("singulis nominibus insculptis," Chronicon 6:23).

Ahmad ibn Fadlan describes the manners and customs of the Rus, who arrived on a business trip in Volga Bulgaria. After a ritual ship burial of their dead tribesmen, Rus left an inscription on the tomb:

Then they constructed in the place where had been the ship which they had drawn up out of the river something like a small round hill, in the middle of which they erected a great post of birch wood, on which they wrote the name of the man and the name of the Rus king and they departed.
However, Ibn Fadlan doesn't leave many clues about the ethnic origin of the people he described (see Rus).
And another one:
"The Lives of Methodius and Constantine, in the monasticism of Cyril", written in the Middle Ages on the basis of early church documents, tells about the journey of Constantine to Chersonesos (Crimea) in the 860s, where the future creator of the Slavic alphabet was preparing for a church dispute in the Khazar Kaganate, and the books he found:

In Kherson, Konstantin managed to find "The Gospel and the Psalter written in Russian", as well as a person who spoke this language. Constantine, talking with him, learned this speech and, on the basis of the conversations, divided the letters into vowels and consonants and, with the help of God, soon began to read and explain the books he found.

In my view, the degeneration of our historical knowledge is a gradual process, it was a series of events after everything was flipped on its head. Destruction of knowledge, distortion of everything that's left, all manner of resets discussed on this forum. For all I know, Britain could have had a million of those documents in the 1-999 period, but 64 is all that's left.
 
I can't point to a specific, abrupt and complete obliteration of public records worldwide, but there are a few interesting things to point out. Mainly, the languages of documentation. Change in the official/administrative/ecclesiastical language implies a change in leadership and that implies a reset (at least a minor one). Hypothetically, if there is a differing alphabet, an older form of a language or just a different language altogether, it will require a translation and that's where people with malicious intent can come in and change anything they want. I'm talking about older sources that survived of course, because book burnings are a thing (now that I think about it, it's a good place to look for resets).

For example, Lithuanian language. Officially, the first ever writing in Lithuanian is from the last page of a Latin tractate, dated to be from the early 1500s, the first book in Lithuanian was printed in the mid 1500s by a protestant priest in Prussia (it was forbidden to be printed in Lithuania). However, only in 1860s did the national consciousness took off and people here started taking interest in the language and history. Before that, in the 16th century - 19th century period people were germanised, russianised, polonised (hebrew-ised? - Vilnius had a nickname: "The Second Jerusalem") - Lithuanian speakers were becoming a minority. Anyway, before the dreaded 16th century the Grand Duchy of Lithuania used a form of Old Russian for official/administrative purposes (they attribute it to the majority of the country consisting of Ukrainians and Belarusians, both population-wise and territory-wise).

That leads to a problem, where do you attribute those Lithuanian documents to? Depending on the historical period, it's either Poland, Germany, Russia, Belarus or Ukraine. That's how most of the local documents are allegedly found today - German, Russian or Polish Libraries. The further you go, the less detailed the historical circumstances become.

Another area prone to rewriting and distortion is the alphabet. Not so long ago I found out, that before Cyrillic and Glagolitic there may have been another writing system in use:

From another article:

And another one:


In my view, the degeneration of our historical knowledge is a gradual process, it was a series of events after everything was flipped on its head. Destruction of knowledge, distortion of everything that's left, all manner of resets discussed on this forum. For all I know, Britain could have had a million of those documents in the 1-999 period, but 64 is all that's left.
If most of us were slaves, chattels, and perhaps food, then how would a pre-reset administration have recorded us? As temporary records appropriate for a temporary - and rights-less - existence? Perhaps only as batch numbers or as product SKUs? Perhaps not at all.

Would we even recognise the media on which a pre-reset administration recorded its records?

See the last two images in: Amazing ancient "genetic disc" They are taken from a series of articles whose images have mostly degraded now but the text and some images remain at:

https://178.62.117.238/media-of-the-past-part-1.html

https://178.62.117.238/media-of-the-past-part-2.html

https://178.62.117.238/media-of-the-past-part-3.html

https://178.62.117.238/media-of-the-past-part-4.html

https://178.62.117.238/media-of-the-past-part-5.html

https://178.62.117.238/bronzes-and-dvds-what-could-they-have-in-common.html

The images are degrading from the web pages. But have they gone? Do they still exist somewhere? How would we know? If not online, how would we know where to look for them seven years after the articles appeared, let alone two hundred years later?

Would we mistakenly conclude that what is left of this record is all of this record that ever existed?

Edit: Duh. Second Last two images at Amazing ancient "genetic disc"
 
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Certainly I wouldn’t offer that as a “proof” of a society that had been wiped off the face of the planet in the last 1000-2000 years

I didn't say anything about "proof."

Buried under that amount of catastrophe would essentially mean that stories, legends, and myths are all we would ever have of this civilization to have previously existed.

That's what I said didn't I?...

whatever evidence remains has been converted into worldwide mythologies, fairy-tales, and conspiracy theories.

Change in the official/administrative/ecclesiastical language implies a change in leadership and that implies a reset (at least a minor one).

Whilst a complete and utter reset of society is a "change", like when you put different clothes on, a change in leadership is just a change in leadership. It's not a... never mind.

If the bulk of us were slaves, chattels, and perhaps food,

The reset ideology claims that it was caused in order to destroy a previous 'Golden Age', where, of course, they would have kept meticulous records.

Would we even recognise the media on which a pre-reset administration recorded its records?

If they have been recorded within the last 1000-2000 or even 200 years as some "working theories" claim and survived whatever cataclysm took place during the same period, then in all likelihood, yes we would.

@usselo Your links are not safe:

"Attackers might be trying to steal your information from 178.62.117.238 (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). Learn more
NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID"

The others look like carved discs with a central hole. Just because they resemble a CD/DVD doesn't necessarily make them Fred Flinstone's porn collection. Imo.
 
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I didn't say anything about "proof."

That's what I said didn't I?...

Whilst a complete and utter reset of society is a "change", like when you put different clothes on, a change in leadership is just a change in leadership. It's not a... never mind.

The reset ideology claims that the was caused in order to destroy a previous 'Golden Age', where, of course, they would have kept meticulous records.
So, more for the benefit of other readers:

'Ideology' is a noun for fixed beliefs of a generally political nature. Personally, I don't use 'ideolology' to as a noun for ideas, suspicions, conjectures, and hypotheses created/shared while researching history.

I'm not sure all forum readers share Will Scarlet's particular definition of 'reset'. Might be an idea to create a thread to discuss it.
@usselo Your links are not safe:

"Attackers might be trying to steal your information from 178.62.117.238 (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). Learn more
NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID"
Yep!

For the benefit of other readers, the warning is caused by web browser software identifying a self-signed 'https' certificate. As for the risk of information theft, it's a read-only site. It requests no information (ie it has no form-fields, password fields, etc).

The others look like carved discs with a central hole. Just because they resemble a CD/DVD doesn't necessarily make them Fred Flinstone's porn collection. Imo.
And in mine too: they were not Fred Flintstone's porn collection.
 
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If most of us were slaves, chattels, and perhaps food, then how would a pre-reset administration have recorded us?
I see from your other contributions this theory of slave/food holds water for you. In this reality in my experience of this system records of anything claimed as property are of vital import to the system. I'd go as far as to say it is the fundamental base of the system and in truth the entirety of the system.

What how and where this record was produced, stored, kept on what medium, in what language, in what form are unknowns and ergo speculation is the only option for those who seek evidence of whatever system went before. Perhaps the system of recording is still running after all records on floppy discs cannot be read by many today and most born today have no idea what they were.
Pre computer days, I am that old, records were kept on paper books stored in vaults and god knows where in who knows what form. Paper is still the fundamental medium of record as although it does degrade over time if kept in the right environment it endures for a considerable time, longer than a single humans lifespan at the minimum.
Digital has a very short lifespan as it all requires and electronic machine to read it and its Achilles heel is it needs electricity to run said machines. It is by some measure the worst possible medium for recording anything on.

And why would a previous civilisation have a need for records in the first place?
The concept of ownership of things is a very odd concept to my mind as all the physical evidence shows us that ownership of anything is an impossibility. Temporary control of things yes but ownership no. The reset for my money is nothing more than the imposition of claims of ownership recorded in written paper records and arose with the arising of the authority cult. What produced the conditions for this cult to emerge I have no idea but all the evidence I have ever come across points to this being the prime candidate for the emergence of reset theory.
 
'Ideology' is a noun for fixed beliefs of a generally political nature. Personally, I don't use it to describe ideas, suspicions, conjectures, and hypotheses created while discussing research.

For the benefit of Usselo:

"An ideology... is a set of beliefs or philosophies attributed to a person or group of persons, especially as held for reasons that are not purely epistemic, in which practical elements are as prominent as theoretical ones." Source

Will Scarlet's particular definition of 'reset'.

Reset - set to zero. A particularly strange definition, no doubt.

As for the risk of information theft, it's a read-only site. It requests no information (ie it has no form-fields, password fields, etc).

Would we even recognise the media on which a pre-reset administration recorded its records?

:)
 
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As in, rearrange already existing things into a different order? I thought setting to zero (or, rather, restarting) means wiping the slate totally clean.

It would be much simpler if you just tell everyone what you want the word 'reset' to mean.
 
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